Melinda Gates Faces Awful Epstein Discoveries

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Melinda Gates spoke with NPR about the new discoveries in the Epstein files. This week she was every chump. You think it’s over, but you keep making more heart-shattering discoveries.

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I don’t know if you’re all following the mind-bending Epstein file revelations, but for Melinda Gates, it’s got to feel like another D-Day. In the most recent document dump is correspondence that alleges (Bill Gates denies it) that he spiked Melinda’s food with antibiotics, to disguise an STI. Epstein says it came from one of his, um, er, foreign masseuses. (I’m tiptoeing past the Google AI censors…)

I believe it, because I don’t put much past FWs.

If this blog has taught me anything, it’s that those secret sexual basements are much darker and deeper than we ever knew, and they never come with sump pumps.

Melinda Gates spoke with NPR about the new sucker punches. (You can listen at the link above):

Melinda French Gates on Tuesday said that her ex-husband, Bill Gates, needs to answer for the behavior alleged in the latest trove of private communications released in connection with convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

“For me, it’s personally hard whenever those details come up, right? Because it brings back memories of some very, very painful times in my marriage,” French Gates said in an interview on NPR’s Wild Card podcast.

“Whatever questions remain there of what — I can’t even begin to know all of it — those questions are for those people and for even my ex-husband,” she said. “They need to answer to those things, not me.”

Way to put that blame where it belongs, Melinda!

Once again, as she’s done in every interview about her ex, Bill Gates, she’s a class act and refuses to answer for him. Whack! She spikes that question over the net.

“They need to answer to those things, not me.”

Melinda Gates

Yep. That’s right. We’re going to cut that “What’d you do to make him cheat” implication right off at its knees. And then we’re going to remove the boulder of “Please explain your ex to us. Chart that hidden basement!” As if providing analysis into a FW is HER job. Nope, it is not.

Even if she never takes the bait, she has to continually rise above. Which is an unjust position to be in.

In emails, Epstein wrote that Bill Gates had come to him to facilitate trysts with married women and to get medication to treat an STI from “sex with Russian girls.”

Epstein also claimed that Bill Gates wanted to try to give that STI medication to Melinda French Gates in secret.

“To add insult to the injury you then implore me to please delete the emails regarding your std, your request that I provide you antibiotics that you can surreptitiously give to Melinda and the description of your penis,” outlined one angry email from Epstein.

This seems dodgy. If you give more money than the World Health Organization does to eradicate disease, doesn’t it stand to reason you could score your own Amoxicillin?

Whatever is going on in the Epstein files, it’s got to be a continual horror show to Melinda Gates and her children. All the wealth in the world cannot insulate you from the nightmare of having D-Day after D-day on the public stage. Bill Gates completely deserves that scrutiny, Melinda and the kids do not. But he put them there.

Can you relate? If someone came up to me today and said “Oh, you’re ex is a Furry and he has fourteen grandchildren with his 7th wife who is also his cousin” I’d just shrug. It is entirely possible. That’s the thing with double lives — anything’s possible. You’ve got no idea what’s in there, but once you’ve seen some depravity, there’s probably more.

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GoodFriend
GoodFriend
13 days ago

I’m forever grateful that I filed first. If it’s someone I don’t know well, my answer is, “We didn’t share the same morals. That’s why I divorced him.” And then I move on, or move the conversation on.

I hope that leaves them wondering what morals those are, since they could be anything and everything.

Sometimes I give a quick summary of how he fell for a catfish scam and sent tens of thousands of dollars in less than 2 months to someone he never spoke to. It’s true, and I have the paper documentation of their emails, plus paper receipts, all printed out. Then I explain that I also discovered he was pretending all the following: To be an MD, to be a veteran, to have MBAs from two ivy league universities, etc. Since it’s likely they believed one or more of these major lies, they realize he lied to them, too. And I sometimes mention that per court order, on the advice of police DHS and a PRE, he can never again have contact with youngest child. The latter goes against his narrative that I was crazy, violent and dangerous.

Although he did much, much more, I don’t share anything that I can’t readily prove with paperwork.

FuckWitFree
FuckWitFree
13 days ago

I can’t help, but wonder if she could be subpoenaed for any at all information that she obviously has more of than she is letting on in public.

I believe that the truth of what has happened to all of these poor girls both alive and now dead would be even more shocking Than what is going on and the detention camps used to distract us from looking at what these monsters did to little girls.

charmee
charmee
13 days ago
Reply to  FuckWitFree

I will never believe Virginia’s death was a suicide, just like Marilyn Monroe, she knew too much and very powerful men have enough money to stage any kind of death and make it look believable even writing a not explaining it all, if she had a gun to her head she would do just that. No way she killed herself, she had small children, and was in a good place, in spite of everything.

PeaceSeeker
PeaceSeeker
12 days ago
Reply to  charmee

I agree and I am NOT one for conspiracy theories. However, this seems entirely plausible.

MidAtlantic
MidAtlantic
13 days ago
Reply to  charmee

I find it easier to believe she killed herself (exhausted from it all, wanted to get off the carousel) than to believe Epstein killed himself in jail.

charmee
charmee
13 days ago
Reply to  MidAtlantic

They both were murdered, lots of money involved here anything is possible. Its not a coincidence its foul play. You notice no other women have come forward and there were hundreds all over the world. Its because of fear and money and power.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
13 days ago
Reply to  charmee

Even if Guiffre k*lled herself, I think she was m@rdered by others.

Dr. Elizabeth Dalgarno recently published an excellent article on Substack titled When Violence Turns the Soul Against Itself in which she cites statistics that most deaths among DV victims are su*cides. Though victim-blamers and abuse apologists would likely suggest that this only proves the moldy old myth that DV victims all have “preexisting mental problems” that drew them to abusers, Dalgarno demonstrates that deaths of despair can be entirely caused by coercive control.

PeaceSeeker
PeaceSeeker
12 days ago

Thanks for the recommendation. I believe that coercive control can absolutely drive people to suicide. Lived it and thank goodness lived through that and survived.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
12 days ago
Reply to  PeaceSeeker

I try to support those Substacks.

I think we’re the first generation to be learning about abuse from this framework so we’re watching ground-breaking discoveries happen in real time. But because those groundbreaking discoveries cast the old guard of DV theorists and specialists as a bunch of patriarchal hacks who’ve done more harm than good and the OG doesn’t like it, the main spearheads of the new approach like Drs. Katz, Dalgarno and Cocciola are in for a fight trying to bring attention to new approaches.

To quote Planck’s Principle: A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.

But Planck was talking about astrophysics, not the victim-blaming foundations of Dah Patriarchy so my guess is that every generation is going to have to fight to keep things from going to hell all over again.

2xchump
2xchump
13 days ago
Reply to  charmee

I have said this before about Virginia but this I do believe …as I said in my earlier post. Many many chumps DIE because of intimate abuse in the quiet of their homes. Driven there by shrewd steady drip of quiet lies, shrouded threats and the non support of others who wish to keep you quiet. Virginia knew too much but also, her husband who at first was her protector, turned on his lamb. This is strictly conjecture about the suicide…but I had the same covert mind torture and physical demands from an unhinged man. It’s been three years since I filed and 2 years post d day, but still a few days ago, an acquaintance said to me–about my cheater X…but but HE WAS SO NICE AND SO SWEET AND QUIET..I would never think he could hurt a fly. We need to LEAVE A CHEATER as early as possible before there is no way out of the web.Before we are so low we take our own lives or need serious therapy or before we lose our own lives through laced smoothies or anaphylaxis reaction to an antibiotic as could have happened to Melinda Gates. That’s all I’m saying to all chumps out there. GO

Scarysherry
Scarysherry
13 days ago
Reply to  2xchump

Death from infidelity: now that’s an awful thought we ought to think about more often. I personally know of one “suicide” and one “heart attack” among the wives of physicians in my town that were 100% unlikely. I used to get terrible episodes of nausea, cramping, and stomach pain while traveling with my FW. Never had a recurrence after we parted ways. His general ineptitude is probably what saved my life.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
13 days ago
Reply to  Scarysherry

Maybe Melinda Gates will use her experience and clout to fund research exploring the correlations between cheating and DV, cheating and r@pe and cheating and domestic m*rder.

I think we all suspect what the results of studies like that would be but, until the hard data exists, apologists like Perel and the entire RIC establishment have free reign to spin cheating and cheaters as harmless, quixotic and LiFe-aFfiRmiNg. That wouldn’t be so easy if the predominance of social research showed cheaters are significantly more likely to initiate violence.

Also I think it would be interesting to test the “hell hath no fury/Medea” trope that chumps are the most likely to seek violent revenge when, from the back page news stories and studies associating psychopathy with cheaters/side pieces, both of the latter seem more likely to attack or k*ll not only betrayed families but each other.

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2xchump
2xchump
13 days ago
Reply to  Scarysherry

Not new at all, mine called the police after I served him with a divorce and Protectiion order. I went no contact and locked myself in my house… so magnificent cheater called the police and told them I was not answering his texts or calls. Told them I had the potential to take my own life because of him??. The police knocked on my door but I was afraid cheater was close by and could get to me so i did not answer the door but looked out the upstairs windoe till everyone left.
Things like that lead chumps to go into paralysis, stay put or be dragged away to a lock down. Just sayin…

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
13 days ago
Reply to  2xchump

Spoiler alert: author Sarah Manguso includes a similar scenario in her novel Liars.

2xchump
2xchump
13 days ago

It is not far fetched to the cheating mind. Every day I made a smoothy drink for my then -husband. He was a junk food eater and my job was to be his private dietician. My now X would tell me how the guys at work asked him if I was possibly poisoning him with these daily shakes. I thought how horrible that was for his friends to say about me. However all of my now Xs coworkers knew my X was cheating with the cafeteria lady who made his additional breakfast and lunch at work. And flirted or approached anyone else. I wondered Why would that even cross anyone’s mind??

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
13 days ago
Reply to  2xchump

Maybe his coworkers thought this because he was actively demonizing you to anyone who would listen as preemptive spin for when you later turned up dead and he claimed self defense?

But paranoid projection is common for guilty minds, like the slave holders who constantly suspected their slaves were hatching plots to rebel because the slave owners themselves knew that, if the shoe were on the other foot, they’d be plotting gruesome revenge.

2xchump
2xchump
13 days ago

You are 100% on 🎯!!!One does not have to watch movie mysteries to figure this little vingnette out from beginning to end . Paranoid projection and how the cheater would feel were the tables turned.
I love Melinda Gates for her dignity. I don’t have that yet but it is my vision for the future. Let freedom speak for itself.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
13 days ago
Reply to  2xchump

Oh no, don’t compare yourself to such a press-savvy public figure in terms of relative “dignity.” She’s trained and coached by expensive experts to evince “aplomb” and elegance but may not necessarily feel that way round about 4am. Plus having more money than God and armies of supporters never hurts in the recovery process.

Furthermore, I think justice is one of the best treatments for PTSD and even though public figures who experience victimization can be secondarily injured by being robbed of privacy, in this case the “karma train crash” was also very public. So, though most of us garden variety chumps don’t experience the humiliation of having our worst heartbreaks splattered all over the press as entertainment, we also usually don’t see epic public takedowns of our perpetrators. Though it’s not quite justice in an official sense, it could act as a stand-in for justice for Melinda since now everyone hates the individual who harmed her (which has to be better than back when everyone still thought he was a great guy).

2xchump
2xchump
13 days ago

Absolutely 💯 agree with you HOAC! But Bill said it was ALL A LIE

Amelia
Amelia
13 days ago
Reply to  charmee

Sadly, I believe powerful abusers are often capable of turning somebody’s life into hell without ever laying a hand on them. This could happen through endless legal or physical threats (possibly via digital sock puppets), nonstop slander or similar methods. If this is what happened, it would be even worse in some ways, because in all likelihood, it would be impossible to ever hold the perpetrators accountable.

2xchump
2xchump
13 days ago
Reply to  Amelia

Exactly

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
13 days ago
Reply to  Amelia

The film The Insider on real life tobacco industry whistleblower Jeffrey Wigand documents the process by which whistleblowers and other upstarts can be systematically driven over the edge.

ExWifeOfSparkleDick
ExWifeOfSparkleDick
13 days ago

ZERO concern about Melinda’s health, only about keeping his sleazy secret.

The most humiliating conversation I had was after my private investigator caught SparkleDick in the act, my attorney told me to make an emergency appointment with my OBGYN for testing. I’d known this man (attorney superstar) for ages, he played golf with my father weekly, I babysat his children as a teenager and he had to tell me to protect myself. Really cringe.

FWs are all the same aren’t they?

Archer
Archer
12 days ago

In my case nobody except a therapist friend suggested it to me, none of the paid doctors, attorneys or counselors even said anything 😢

ARockingNewLife
ARockingNewLife
13 days ago

Yes similarly, my humiliating conversation was with my mild mannered, conservative OB who served a mostly Mennonite population, asking for an STD screen while pregnant with twins. The shame should change sides.

ChumpyGirlKC
ChumpyGirlKC
13 days ago

I super LOVE the name you gave your cheater ex! Hilarious! Monikers like that are well suited to all of the narcissistic cheaters we’ve all dealt with. They definietly think of themselves as “special”. And yep, they are all alike, all narcissistic and entitled.

I remember the humiliating call I had to make to my GYN. I was in tears having to say to the scheduling woman that I’d just found out that my husband of nearly 30 years had been cheating on me and needed a full STD panel. She was so nice, told me, “I am so sorry honey.” She also made room in the appointment book to get me in the same day.

So we can all feel for Melinda Gates and the humiliation and pain that goes with the discovery of infidelity. And sometimes, more info does just suddenly spring up, as we all know too well. But kudos for her to telling the world, “HE (Bill) has answering to do, not me!” WOOHOO!

Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
11 days ago
Reply to  ChumpyGirlKC

I’m sure that, sadly, it wasn’t the first time she’d heard it. And I’m sorry you had this terrible experience.

Elizabeth Lee
Elizabeth Lee
13 days ago

Yes, they are all the same. I’m just glad that I have been no contact with my ex for years. I don’t know what evil he has done and I don’t want to know. I feel sorry for his new wife. She was not the AP and the only thing I know about her is that her previous husband was abusive. She needed to fix her picker, not marry another abuser.

Velvet Hammer
Velvet Hammer
13 days ago

Two years after my divorce was final, I learned that former fake husband had opened an illicit massage parlor with the primary AP, who he obviously must have met while patronizing one. She is managing the business and also one of the workers providing sexual services. There is no monogamy between them…according to queries he left on an illicit massage parlor review site, he wanted to “see a girl in each state” driving home from a business trip.

So I was not discarded for romantic wonderful healthy True Love after all. Good news, except this escapade of infidelity and current Epstein news has really taught me that I can really never fully know another person. That there are no guarantees or fail-safe screening methods. That marriage means jack to many.

A friend called me yesterday with news that she is getting divorced again. Her seventeen year old daughter just revealed that Stepdad had molested her at age seven. JFC.

If I ever decide to get into a relationship again,
my strategy is to FIRST be good and solid and OK being alone, emotionally and financially.
SECOND, do the best I can vetting a partner. THIRD, if and when dealbreaking information comes in, stop, drop, and walk away.

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Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
11 days ago
Reply to  Velvet Hammer

I’ve seriously wondered if it would be prudent to have a private investigator produce a report on anyone that I see exclusively.

Archer
Archer
12 days ago
Reply to  Velvet Hammer

Only want to say that my story is similar to yours in many, many ways and I wouldn’t doubt FW narcopath dabbling in underage girls but don’t want to waste my life sleuthing more than I already did

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
13 days ago
Reply to  Velvet Hammer

That’s something else I’d like to see hard data on if anyone would ever fund the research: whether cheaters show higher rates of child r@pe. 🙁

Obviously we know rates will be high if just because the majority of child sexual abusers are married during portions of their offending careers and the majority of people married to rapists are in the dark about spouses’ criminal behavior until the latter get busted.

Though even people (like Melinda Gates) who discover they’re married to sex offenders wouldn’t minimize the crime but reducing it to “adultery,” it’s still true in a technical sense that married rapists are “unfaithful.” But I think even beyond that built-in factor, adulterers who mostly have affairs with other adults will probably turn out to be significantly more likely to sexually abuse minors as well.

Your poor friend and her poor daughter. Betting that walking abortion was a “pillar of the community” and everyone’s “favorite guy.”

Velvet Hammer
Velvet Hammer
13 days ago
Reply to  Velvet Hammer

I remember a detective telling me that you only know another person as much as they will let you.

I can report that I was with Former Fake Husband for 27 years.

Therapy was a frequent regular part of our relationship THE ENTIRE TIME. I had asked that we go because we both grew up in very troubled alcoholic families and I wanted to learn healthy relationship skills. He went.

Neither of us had any parents who had been divorced but were only ever married to each other.

I found out at year 27 about his secret sexual double life and that he had been lying the whole time. That I spent 27 years with someone and did not know who he was.

Therapy in and of itself means jack.

IMHO, therapy is a waste of time after you find out someone has secret sexual double life. Get on the first train out of Cheaterville and get away from people who are cool with f**king people over.

People who are capable of genuine love are not capable of deceiving and abusing others.

Archer
Archer
12 days ago
Reply to  Velvet Hammer

Therapy while in a mirage with clueless counselors, is like focusing on putting a tiny bandaid JUST SO on the little cut on a pinky finger- while the patient is gushing blood out of a carotid artery and dying. USELESS

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Elsie_
Elsie_
13 days ago
Reply to  Velvet Hammer

I remember a detective telling me that you only know another person as much as they will let you.

The therapist who diagnosed my ex with BPD/NPD said the same. In her opinion, the BPD made it very likely that my marriage was going to crumble, and when the NPD raged, it was over. My ex worked in the intelligence community, and in her opinion, that was a factor. Doing classified work is one thing, but taking on lies where you have to hide your employer and use other names will ultimately mess with your personhood. His delusional thinking was so extreme that even his own attorney complained to mine about that.

Then, when my divorce started going badly, my attorney quipped, “Well, you unmasked him to be the immature jerk that he always was.” Yes, he was incapable.

I have zero interest in partnering up again, at my age. Too much drama to sift through IMHO. And that’s OK.

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ChumpyGirlKC
ChumpyGirlKC
13 days ago
Reply to  Elsie_

My EXFW#2 was professionally diagnosed with – NPD, APD, HPD, Bipolar I, paranioa and turbulent personality. Pretty scary – but want to know the scariest part? Is that I was with him for almost 30 years and had no idea who he really was and what he was capable of until he cheated on me and strangled me.

That tracks with your detective telling you that people only let you know what they want to about them.

I do have to admit that there were two other “big” moments that were red flags, but he was good at explaining it away, and of course us chumps want to believe them becuse they are so amazing and we love them, blah, blah. I bought into the shared fantasy hook, line and sinker!

There were also smaller moments and when you put them all together…wow!

But I also had not heard of narcissism or personality disorders until this all went down. So even though the sigsn might have been there, I was riding blind in the relationship.

But now I am very well informed and will never get with a person like that again. I can detect personality disodered people within minutes of meeting and talking to them. They behave a certain way and it’s actually pretty easy to pick them out when you know what to look for. The longer you are around them the more obvious it is, no matter how hard they try to hide it. That is one of the give aways too, is how shiny they try to make themselves! Yuck!

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Velvet Hammer
Velvet Hammer
12 days ago
Reply to  ChumpyGirlKC

KC,

Please read Dangerous Instincts by Mary Ellen O’Toole. She is a veteran expert FBI profiler who was a colleague of my friend and PI who was a Special Agent with the FBI for 28 years. Mary Ellen worked many high profile cases over the course of her career.

She wants people to know that dangerous individuals can be so skilled at deception that they get past the radar of even experts like herself.

That having cocksure pride in your ability to discern is actually a liability that makes you more vulnerable to a predator.

Another expert in the field, Dr Anna Salter, makes the same point in her book, Predators. She says that most people grossly overestimate their ability to judge people, take great pride in it, and that pride creates a blind spot which ironically makes us more vulnerable.

I myself had a very frightening experience proving their point and am lucky to be alive. I used to think I’d always be able to tell and now thankfully realize that is not possible.

It’s far better, and safer, to be aware that you can’t always tell rather than believe you always can.

According to two far more credentialed experts, female, you can’t always tell.

I share this out of concern for your safety.

♥️

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ChumpyGirlKC
ChumpyGirlKC
12 days ago
Reply to  Velvet Hammer

I’m sorry you also had a frightening brush with death. It makes the PTSD of D-day much worse when there is violence involved or something that takes it to the ultimalte level.

I’ll take a look at the books you recommended, thanks for those! I will be sure to check them out. I have read a really good one by Gavin de Becker called The Gift of Fear. I have read it front to back three times now and given copies to all of my children. Gavin teaches people to trust their instincts and that if something feels wrong, it probably is.

But to speak to your point, and I totally agree with you btw, is that when my FW was cheating, I could feel that something was off with him. But guess what I did? Explained it away, of course. I do have to give myself some credit as I did start questioning him and he gaslighted me, lied, deceived, etc. And of course, being a chump, wanted to believe it and that’s what I chose to do for a few months. Then one day I just chose not to and caught him via all the texts to his AP on his phone. Almost paid for that choice with my life, but at least I found out and luckily, didn’t die. Vitcims of strangulation are 700% more likely to later die at the hand of their abuser. Scary stuff.

So for me, my hypervigilance helps me and hurts me. Helps me by letting my spidey senses alert me, hurts me by destroying my health, making it super hard to have a normal life cuz I am constantly in fear of people.

Really sucks to be betrayed and have to deal with all of the fallout due to some other persons choice.

Velvet Hammer
Velvet Hammer
11 days ago
Reply to  ChumpyGirlKC

Before my close call with the violent predator (who ended up incarcerated because of violent sexual assault of someone else), I thought if someone was dangerous I would always pick up on it. Many people think that.

How I have changed is that I still pay attention to my intuition as I have always done….and as we all should. But now I know that there are people who are extremely dangerous who don’t trip the alarms, and that it’s not a failure on my part.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
13 days ago
Reply to  ChumpyGirlKC

I’m on board with Evan Stark’s and Jennifer Frey’s view that coercion and genuine risk typically underlie victims’ seeming “gullibility,” not mere codependency.

In any event, if the fact that he ended up trying to strangle you is any suggestion of what your lizard brain/gut may have predicted he was capable of all along, there’s also the factor of what he could have done to you had you not accepted his earlier explanations for red flag behavior. Frey in particular argues that victims often defer conscious recognition of abuse until they’re better prepared to survive escape attempts.

ChumpyGirlKC
ChumpyGirlKC
12 days ago

I have not heard of Evan Stark or Jennifer Frey, so I will have to look into that, but very interesting about victims being better prepared to escape. I waited quite a long time after all this to leave due to the fear I had. I do have a small thing I wanted to say and it’s that FW didn’t try to strangle me, he did, into unconsciouness. Threw me down and was putting me in arm bars and various choke holds until the last one, which left me unable to speak or breathe. I was covered from head to toe in bruises that showed up a few days later. Victims of strangulation are 700% more likely to die from their abuser after the first stangulation and they can also die days, weeks or even months later from the neck trauma. Luckily, I didn’t. Or was it not luck? To this day, I am unsure about it being luck. But I do have kids to take care of, so guess it’s good he didn’t kill me.

I was sure he was cheating on me and that was my “gut” telling me, like you pointed out, and it told me to pick up the phone, but he had never been physically abusive to me in almost 30 years, until that moment. So the other red flag behavior I was definitely honed into, but the physical attack…never in a million years would I have thought he would do that. Would bet my life before then that he wouldn’t, in fact. Would have lost that bet.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
12 days ago
Reply to  ChumpyGirlKC

Oh dear, sorry– I had second thoughts about that “tried to strangle” phrasing when I really meant “tried to kill” but it was too late to edit. Most people assume that strangulation is attempted m*rder but apparently it can also be an extreme t*rture and terror tactic– one that can easily end in death as you mentioned. So regardless of that monster’s intent, I do think you’re very lucky to be alive.

But if you ever doubt that fact or start wondering if you somehow set yourself up to be harmed, I recommend Stark’s book “Coercive Control” and Frey’s book, “Blindness to Betrayal” for validation. Or check out the Youtube channel of Dr. Christine Cocciola who trained with Dr. Stark and is one of his successors in terms of spearheading the criminalization of coercive control. CL interviewed Dr. Cocchiola on the Tell Me How You’re Mighty podcast.

One of the points that Dr. Cocciola frequently makes is that even her specialized training in domestic abuse left her unforewarned about how dangerous her own ex husband would eventually become. It’s because she, like the rest of us, had been led to believe that domestic abuse– and the associated risks of catastrophic trauma, severe injury and death from it– can only be defined by black eyes and broken bones.

That might explains why you didn’t think– at least not consciously– your ex would do what he did “in a million years.” Basically we were all left unforewarned because we were sold an unscientific hypothesis about abuse all our lives. But when the hard data on domestic murder finally started getting collected and crunched (mostly by Dr. Stark and his wife Ann Flitcraft at first), it turned out that up to 40% of domestic murders had not been preceded by any reports of violent assault. But that didn’t mean there were no predicting factors because it also turned out that 100% of domestic murders were preceded by coercive control with or without physical abuse.

At this point, forensic researchers regard coercive control as the “golden thread” that best predicts risk of domestic m*rder. So imagine in some parallel universe that you had grown up knowing the above facts. My guess is that, had you been given correct information all along, your ability to consciously predict what your ex was capable of might have been quite different.

All the same, as I mentioned, I think humans evolved with some very uncanny latent lizard brain instincts about risk and ability to suss out which of our fellow naked apes might be covertly dangerous which, even if these thoughts don’t float to the surface of consciousness, may still be strongly guiding our behavior.

That’s why I think it’s safe to assume that whatever an abuser eventually does or threatens to do is what victims always sensed– even if just unconsciously– was a potentiality. Therefore everything victims did or didn’t do up to that point can likely be explained through that framework, including playing possum and going into “strategic denial” (captor bonding/Stockholm syndrome) about the danger they’re in as a way to “keep the peace” until they’re in a better position to make a break for it.

ChumpyGirlKC
ChumpyGirlKC
11 days ago

Thanks so much. I really appreciate your thoughts on the subject and all of the references to reading material. I want to do my best to avoid putting myself in that situation again. I realize I can only do so much, but I figure if I arm myself with the most knowledge I can get, then that’s the best favor I can do for myself and hopefully it will help me on down the road. Can’t hurt, right? Thanks again!

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
10 days ago
Reply to  ChumpyGirlKC

Glad if any of this is validating (by the way, I misspelled Jennifer Freyd’s name).

One thing that can be naturally deduced by rejecting the old victim-blaming view that survivors “draw abuse to themselves” or “didn’t leave sooner” due to some preexisting psychological flaw is that, if victims aren’t actually doing this to themselves, it must have been abusers doing it to them. That in turn begs the question of how and invites deeper exploration into many covert manipulation strategies and coercive tactics that even abusers of moderate intelligence tend to be very skilled at.

I think that’s the best way to develop very fine-tuned lists of “red flags” and calibrate an anti-creep radar– by understanding how these sh*theads typically operate.

Before Lundy Bancroft was credibly accused of abusing several colleagues in the self help arena, everyone used to recommend his book “Why Does He Do That?” Personally I was never a huge fan of the book except maybe as an emergency cliff notes to be read in the midst of crisis because all Bancroft does is dumb down the work of other forensic psychologists and I tend to find the original sources more “granular”– meaning they contain more of those nitty-gritty, fine-tuned “red flags” of what to look out for.

Another great book that Velvet Hammer frequently recommends is Dangerous Instincts by former FBI profiler Mary Ellen O’Toole in which the author recommends very specific inquiry tactics that everyday people can use to suss out someone’s character before putting themselves at risk. Along with the inquiry tactics, O’Toole is also recommending a more reserved “expect the best/prepare for the wort” attitude towards people we don’t know well which might go against the grain of most people’s idea of “goodness.” Basically O’Toole is saying it’s okay to be cautious and okay to judge despite the fact that women are usually acculturated into thinking this makes them bad and b*tchy.

I trust he sucks
I trust he sucks
13 days ago

It only goes to show how skilled these FW’s are at projecting the good guy image to the world. Rich or poor, sociopathy knows no difference. Maybe there’s a book out there for them called the “world owes me because I am special”. Sadly, though the rich are so much less likely to face the consequences of their actions other than maybe an expensive divorce. Mine finally got jail time but I have realized that even that doesn’t compensate for the horrible damage they do. Kudos to Melinda for her strength and dignity. I hope her FW finally has to face some consequences.

LookingForwardsToTuesday
LookingForwardsToTuesday
13 days ago

Epstein is a perfect example of a monster hiding in plain sight. He used his money, power and privilege to facilitate, normalise and spread his depravity amongst those who would have had you believe that they are the “Great and the Good.” I think that Melinda Gates’ response – that these are questions for her Ex-Husband to answer – is perfect, but I’m willing to bet that her Ex-Husband will do everything that he can to dodge the question.
 
It saddens me to think that the likelihood of those that share Epstein’s guilt will be held to account – and that his victims will see justice prevail – is infinitesimally low.
 
LFTT

Stepbystep
Stepbystep
13 days ago

So grateful for MGF’s voice and hope all journalists and elected officials will follow her direction and place blame where it belongs. And I hope voters will refuse to accept deflection and increasingly dangerous distractions.

I found that being no contact with my ex and, ultimately, with his family meant I never was asked the reason I filed. My response would have been “It was my decision, but he gave me no choice”.

SortofOverIt
SortofOverIt
13 days ago
Reply to  Stepbystep

“My response would have been “It was my decision, but he gave me no choice”.

This is well stated.

Mine was initially intent on moving forward with AP. It didn’t work out that way, as she dumped him once he was in the process of moving out. And then he made a bit of an attempt at convincing me to reconcile. By then, we were at the tail end of his 6 year affair, and the discard was intensely cruel, I absolutely had no desire to stay.

But for sure, if he had asked for reconciliation much, much earlier, I likely would have at least tried. (I found LACGAL late)

Worth noting, he never wanted a divorce. He did not want to stay romantically involved with me. I guess the easiest explanation is he wanted me as a wife appliance, to stick around, be image management, but would have his romantic soul mate AP. AP wouldn’t be a secret. She would come to family events for holidays with us. When I say hedidn’t want a divorce, I think it is that simple. It wasn’t that he wanted to in any way keep what we had. He jsut didn’t want to deal wut the tucky parts of divorce. Paying lawyers, splitting assets, seeing less of the kids.

By the time we started the divorce process he had:

Broken up with his 6 year AP

Actively dated loads of women in our area on apps, so much so that it kept getting back to me because he would talk ABOUT me on his dates and these total strangers he was on a date with would realize WE had a friend in common

Met Serious GF#1 and was talking about their future togeter

I then had to do all the work to get the process started and he was MAD that I was rushing. Did he want to wait until he actually got engaged?

So yeah, I did it. But HE should have. And when I did he was aghast. It was so incredibly bizarre.

Stepbystep
Stepbystep
13 days ago
Reply to  Stepbystep

I inadvertently reversed Melinda’s initials (perhaps thinking she would choose to keep just her maiden name). She guided the foundation with character and I’ll always be interested in what she has to say.

It is disheartening that so many national voices are lying and so many are silent. It mirrors the betrayal of infidelity.

charmee
charmee
13 days ago

I wonder how many thousands of other pages have been shredded, burned, etc to protect the powers that be including the sitting President, we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg and thats more frightening than anything.

Judith
Judith
13 days ago

Once I had accepted the relationship was over I was also sure this could not have been the first affair or attempted affair. During the 18 month secret affair that ended the marriage he was a master of hiding secrecy in apparent transparency – he was visiting a colleague’s exhibition because they needed support. I remembered previous years when occasionally similar reasons were given for meeting with people. But it was still a shock 7 years after D-day when a colleague told me 18 months ago that other people knew at the time of historic affairs. Part of me would like to interrogate this further but I have decided not to. I knew anyway, although not the detail. I do think more will come out but I’m not going looking for it. It does not actually matter to where I am in my life. My heart goes out to Melinda Gates to be learning this in the public eye.

Scarysherry
Scarysherry
13 days ago
Reply to  Judith

Those miserable cowards who know and don’t tell the chump: I hope karma eats them alive. I found in the end I didn’t resent my FW’s betrayal nearly as much as I resented how my so-called friends had let me down. I move in entirely new circles these days, and there are a lot of people who get silence and a cold shoulder when they greet me.

Memberofthechumpedclub
Memberofthechumpedclub
12 days ago
Reply to  Scarysherry

I found in the end I didn’t resent my FW’s betrayal nearly as much as I resented how my so-called friends had let me down.

Thanks, Scarysherry, I appreciate this validation because this is something I have struggled with since the shock of FW’s exit and revelation that he had been cheating for a while.

The fact that I care what others think continues to bug me … but recently I have been reading about social psychology and how, as humans, we are wired to want to belong to social groups. In fact it was the concept of Switzerland friends that first drew me to this blog and to LACGAL. It was and is so painful to be let down by friends I thought would stand by me.

On the other hand, I am gratified by the many, many more friends and acquaintances who immediately saw through my FW’s fake public persona and told me I had done nothing wrong (without making me recite any details or try to justify that my kids and I did not deserve to be abandoned). Speaking up and speaking out, even in small ways, is so much more valuable than trying to stay friends with “both sides.”

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Chumpty Dumpty
Chumpty Dumpty
13 days ago

She is so authentic. The way she expresses herself about her ex is the way I feel.

tallgrass
tallgrass
13 days ago

Can’t help but think of Melinda receiving back alley Healthcare because that was her value to him.

Ive had this ugly gut feeling that maybe law enforcement will be on my porch one day asking about bodies buried long ago and he is the suspect. They will ask, Would he be capable of such a thing?” “Yes. Absolutely yes.” I even noticed when he packed his clothes and left after d day, there was a little collection of “trophies” related to our 40 year marriage. Little things he kept to remind him of his conquest. Eeeery. Serial killers do that.

Archer
Archer
12 days ago
Reply to  tallgrass

You know what is gruesomely funny? During my tsunami of DDays (#2, 3,4,5,6+ followed in rapid succession because hooker habit) when my reality was so utterly broken, I said to my lawyer if police come around asking to dig under the house because FW narcopath is a murder suspect I wouldn’t even bat an eye anymore and say sure please go check. That’s how much of a monster I believe him to be.

Adelante
Adelante
13 days ago

I started watching that clip yesterday and her distress was so painful to see that I had to stop. That she kept her dignity and maintained her composure throughout shows what a class act she is. The same is true of MacKenzie Scott (Bezos’s ex). In both marriages, the wives were crucial to their husbands’ business success, and now that the marriages are over, the women are proving themselves superior in every respect.

Caroline
Caroline
13 days ago

This is exactly why divorce is really the only viable option to discovering infidelity. All of those articles and books that say, “He/she needs to be honest and tell you everything.” How on earth would I ever know that he told me everything? Obviously, he is great at lying and leading a double life, but now I’m going to believe he suddenly found Jesus the moment he got busted?

My former pastor literally sent me a letter telling me to reconcile and that “your husband has been more faithful lately, and you have no objective reason to doubt this.” Uh… how about twenty years of lying? Is that OBJECTIVE enough? Sure enough, I found out more stuff only a few weeks later. “Well, NOW he is telling you everything.”

I too found out my husband had me on meds. Nothing makes me madder than that. Cheaters do not care about their victims. And they have zero qualms about messing up your health.

SortofOverIt
SortofOverIt
13 days ago
Reply to  Caroline

I was decades into my marriage when D-Day happened. There is no way that he was faithful for decades and then suddenly decided to be a FW. This AP was just the one I found out about and I didn’t even catch him, he TOLD me because they were looking to get together for real. Who knows if I ever would have found out otherwise!?

I occcasionally remember some odd things that happened decades ago. I was so naive and missed SO many red flags, I can now assume those instances were all evidence of cheating. But these were very early on. When we were crazy in love or so I thought. There is so much I don’t know. And I am actually really ok with that. What I know about the affair that ended the marriage is more than enough.

Like you sad, the books that say they need to tell the Chump everything and then you can reconcile? You’d never know if they didn’t tell you everything. They are liars.

And hell, if they tell you everything about the AP that you catch them with, they may still have 10 others that you know nothing about.

I don’t want to know EVERYTHING. The affair details hurt. I know so little, and none of it felt good to hear. I think knowing enough to know for yourself that leaving is the right thing, that’s all you need. More is overkill and just hurts more.

I also know there is so much more than I know with the marriage-endig affair. At some point, he got it in his head that I had talked to the AP. I hadn’t. But I didn’t clear that up for him. I let him believe it. He was so upset. Immediately started telling me that she is a pathological liar. And that anything she told me was a lie. Later he got back on that topic and decided that I wouldn’t have contact with him because I was so “mad about what the crazy AP told me”.

Gotta say, as much as I don’t really need to know anything else. I just want to move forward with as little contact as possible until my kids are adults and I can block him. But I do sometimes wonder what exactly she could tell me that has him THAT SCARED. We are divorced. What is he afraid of?

OHFFS
OHFFS
13 days ago
Reply to  Caroline

“your husband has been more faithful lately”

In principle there is no relevant difference between that and; “Your rapist has been less rapey lately.”
Absolutely ludicrous.
I am so terribly sorry your FW dosed you with meds. He belongs in prison for that.

FYI_
FYI_
13 days ago
Reply to  Caroline

your husband has been more faithful lately

Hahahahaa! More faithful? Is that like being more pregnant? Faithful is an either/or, yes/no construct in marriage. You either are, or you are not.
Sorry you had to deal with a cheater apologist and the consent violation. Awful!

Rensselaer
Rensselaer
13 days ago

When I was being pressured by a therapist to agree to having Cheaty McLiarface take a lie detector test, I repeatedly declined. I was just coming to understand the double life Cheaty had created. That meant that he was a pathological liar. That meant that he had a lifetime to practice lying. That meant that his betrayal was because of his lack of integrity. That meant case closed. Oh, and he was trained in biofeedback. So, he would have turned passing the test into one of his little manipulation games that he found so rewarding. I’m on the sideline now, getting ready to walk away from the playing field.

Braken
Braken
13 days ago

Once I tangled with this personality in my personal life, it was exceedingly clear that Trump and his billionaire peers were cut of the same petty, vindictive cloth. Only he was handed far deeper resources and connections to run the grift. Watching people in my hometown fall for it just like they fell for my Ex’s display. Nothing in the current events surprises me.

Trump’s entire administration has been dominated by his absolute inability to be told “No” in any single context.

He’s surrounded, supported and cheering on by people who are enablers, abusers and folks who have been convinced their disenfranchisement will be solved if they put the boot to someone else’s neck.

If they are not stopped, we’re looking at the end of American democracy. This is what it looks like when these disordered personalities are put in charge. They will do and have done horrific things just because they feel whatever they do is right and self enriching to no limit.

Melinda was very classy as always to shift the focus and empathy to the other victims who don’t have her financial resources. I hope we can build a world where these women actually get justice.

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JeffWashington
JeffWashington
13 days ago

“”I AM MICROSOFT!” -Bill Gates. Mrs. Gates had no comment.” -Whoopi Goldburg

Kudos to the ex-Mrs. Gates for being mighty!

I have this sort of perverse need to untangle of the skein of “what is a Traitor (THANKS GOOGLE!)?” My background in research in assessment and lifetime curiosity in things would very much like to create a test so I can drop a template on disordered behaviors and go “yup, that idiot is cheating!”

Sounds fruitless, I know. Exercise in futility.

I think “bizarre solution to an emergent problem” would rank pretty high in scoring. Usually it seems like regular old lies and gaslighting. When I found out that the idiot here spiked his wife’s food with antibiotics, never you mind that depending on the pharmacokinetics of whatever it was for(we’ll know before long I imagine) may actually be counteracted in that same food rather than, oh I don’t know, doing nothing, letting her get sick, and then regular ol’ DARVO…yeah. Or even “just slipping it in with her regular meds”. Big indicator. I think I will call the category “elaborate, insane cover-up.”

Like our fearless leader…little surprises me anymore. I’ve spent most of my career saying “stranger things have happened.” They just seem common now. It’s getting to the point where non-disordered behavior is becoming the rarity. I wonder of Epstein, in being “the fixer” ever foresaw getting an email from Bill Gates about his bathing suit area…particularly given that he could very clearly afford his own private counsel on this that would never get out.

I talked to a guy at a party in the last year that claimed to work for the company that manufactures/services the private jets that Mr. Gates utilizes (he was “a few in” and might have been “full of it” as like myself the guy seemed to be a storyteller, but take this walk with me). He said he gets to work one day and there is Mr. Gates’ get. Evidently he dropped his wedding ring in there and couldn’t find it and wanted it disassembled until the ring was found. So “cost of a sports car later”, they have the thing completely disassembled and there is no ring. It came out in the wash that he knew the ring was missing and he was trying to demonstrate to his wife that he made every effort to find it knowing it wasn’t there.

Perhaps it was just a fish story by someone in need of attention and filling the silence. But after recent revelations? Sounds a lot more plausible in the cold light of morning.

Feliz Jueves!

Best Thing
Best Thing
13 days ago
Reply to  JeffWashington

“…particularly given that he could very clearly afford his own private counsel on this that would never get out.’

One of my fears about this whole information dump – especially since there was a long delay with ample opportunity to doctor the documents – is that false information in seeded in with the real stuff, for the purpose of making people doubt the entire thing. It is crazy that Gates would contact Epstein about getting medical care, when his own personal physician would be sworn to secrecy and have far easier access to antibiotics. Getting some extra for Melinda is a problem though. And I’m not saying Gates is innocent, I’m just saying…. how stupid. It strains credulity.

Archer
Archer
12 days ago
Reply to  Best Thing

As crazy as it may seem, Bill was used to Epstein being his secret sexual basement guy and perhaps thought why involve a physician or anyone else, privacy laws or not?
We know these disordered narcs love Impression Management almost as much as their genitals. Rich or poor, they dislike having to drop the good guy/girl mask

JeffWashington
JeffWashington
13 days ago
Reply to  Best Thing

I see where you are coming from-that said it is my personal supposition that Epstein, like so many other morons in power, was so enamored of “weird sex island” that he did not see “bureaucratic nightmare” as one of the likely consequences (sooner or later, somebody is going to squeal. And they did. And now this). This tracks for the Traitor people-“everything good will happen, nothing bad will happen, and it will be easy.”

I can COMPLETELY see Bill Gates freaking out when he caught something (I have been in the room with supposedly less intelligent people who have gotten similarly irrational when something in MyChart flags red in this regard-parts of this may actually betray some executive function, however impaired in Mr. Gates.)

That said, Mr. Gates has a net worth of $105 billion according to our overlords at Google. At last check a condom is $0.50-$1. “Not being a god awful, cheating monster” is FREE. The logic circuits seem to have burned out.

Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
11 days ago
Reply to  JeffWashington

Some men just won’t use c*ndoms. Or maybe this is just the cheater thing that nothing bad will happen to them. No consequences!

FYI_
FYI_
13 days ago
Reply to  JeffWashington

Yeah, why would Bill Gates ask Epstein for antibiotics? Surely Gates’ own doctor is discreet (and bound by medical ethics), so why is he hitting up a sleazy, unintelligent pedo for meds? (Re: unintelligent — check out youtube clips of Epstein. He is dumb as a hammer.) It’s all so weird.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
13 days ago
Reply to  JeffWashington

That story sounds bizarre enough to be basically true. From living in NY and LA, I’d heard a lot of creepy rumors about prominent figures that were feasible in retrospect because these individuals were often later involved in explosive scandals involving precisely the same creepy conduct.

I can imagine why Gates might prefer subaltern “fixers” to licensed “official” ones for some dirty deeds. As someone who’d been the target of corporate espionage (“Trashgate”) and Russian hackers who likely used his vast financial power to weaponize Homeland Security and the US military for his own agendas and probably created Bing for the same reason Google was apparently created– as a branch of the surveillance industry to gather secret intel on everyone in the world– Gates might have had good reason to be paranoid.
[wondering why this comment was flagged. Is the word “creepy” now being censored by Google algorithm or just any criticism of Google?]

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JeffWashington
JeffWashington
13 days ago

(I have had some of mine flagged and I have stopped cussing here. Weird!)

Like seriously, you’d think that these billionaires would have an off the books slush fund to take care of that kind of thing in house. My inner hack writer has come up with half a dozen workarounds that did not involve a panicked email to a criminal-and this is just since logging back in just now!

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
12 days ago
Reply to  JeffWashington

Maybe Gates finds the hush price is too high (especially when they keep asking for future payoffs) or simply ran out of fixers due to overuse. I remember reports from about ten years ago that a caretaker at the Gates estate was caught trading child pornography. Even back then I wondered if the caretaker had been paid off to take the fall. If so that was an awfully close call and even in prison that guy still as Gates’ proverbial n*ts in a jar.

I also don’t think it’s surprising Gates was asking for filthy favors from someone with whom he believed he had a kind of “mutually assured destruction” pact going where each had compromising dirt on the other and neither was known for murdering their drinking buddies.

I imagine there are a lot of risks from consorting with the types of criminal fixers who manage problems like this. Some might be leg-breakers as a side hustle, some might be violently insane and all might sell out their mothers for a buck so, again, why not take some hush money and still tip off the press?

2xchump
2xchump
13 days ago

To remind us chumps of my news flash this week..if cheaters put antibiotics into food to treat their smarter- than -me chumped wives( I never put 2+2 together with my 2.5 years of NON STOP STIs) then where is the line to making smoothies with Castor beans or arsenic coffees?? OR bringing home smallpox blankets???( OOOPs wrong century)or causing a car accident on your side of the car or or or?? Horrible me right?? But by going outside the home for sex, knowingly getting me pregnant on the One day he felt guilty during his 3 year affair, mind bending with lies day after day year after year causing mental instability in the chump, meaness, requiring full time dancing from mothers who care for THEIR OWN CHILDREN, risking the chumps life every single day???? Is that not murder or emotional destruction by slow drip? Both my cheater Xs kept guns everywhere, my last one had them all over the bedroom, even under and behind the bed. This is with multiple massage people and coworkers in his merry-go- round buffet.
I had already emailed Melinda Gates and told her about Tracy and her book. I applauded her dignity and her willingness to openly share… as many chumps just keep their mouths shut for safety. I hope she got my message but Melinda is one MIGHTY woman of integrity . All of us chumps can be too. Thank you Tracy for your Rosetta stone interpretation of cheaters entrails and for pointing out all the Exit signs. I would not be half the mighty Chump I am today without your signboard and warning lights along the way Forever grateful. Thank you Melinda Gates for the woman you became for all of us

Archer
Archer
12 days ago
Reply to  2xchump

Yes chronic infidelity is a form of slow murder by emotional abuse served with a side of sexual assault and asset theft. LACGAL should be required reading for all therapists.

The PTSD from this type of abuse is very very real. So is actual death of the inconvenient chump, just see the news stories.

Tracy’s message needs to be spread far and wide!

OHFFS
OHFFS
13 days ago
Reply to  2xchump

Good point. If they can do that, they may well be capable of poisoning their spouses or arranging “accidents.” Chilling.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
13 days ago

Elsewhere in the files are several mention of trafficked “Russian girls.” The redacted passports strongly suggest underage Russian girls. Then Melinda’s repeat reference to her sadness over the exploitation of “girls” in the interview (qualifying “girls” as “minors” by saying when she was “that age” and when her daughter was “that age”) seems like a pretty blatant hint she believes her ex was r*ping minor children.

The idea that Gates would a) harm children and b) try to slip someone drugs for an illness he caused without taking actual responsibility for it is believable because it’s pretty much what prompted his global vaccine campaign to begin with. When it turned out Gates’ filthy oil investments in Nigeria were causing children living in the plumes of toxic soot and smoke to die from common and normally mild illnesses because the fumes were destroying their immune systems, rather than divesting and offering restitution to these families, Gates turned himself into a vaccine hero to gain impunity. See Dark Cloud Over Good Works of Gates Foundation, LA Times, 2007.

I don’t know where Melinda stands on that and other Gates’ scandals or how much control she actually had given reports of what a coercive bully her ex was and how he disempowered her even within her namesake foundation by trashing her to employees. In any case, Bill Gates continues to play fireman to the fires he’s surreptitiously setting by playing both sides of the climate crisis with massive carbon footprint of oil, gas and coal investments and investments in so-called “bomb trains” that transport crude and have a habit of derailing and poisoning entire communities and ecosystems while he plays climate hero out of the other side of his mouth.

It’s probably time to stop assuming that what perpetrators do in one domain isn’t relevant to what they do in all domains.

Scarysherry
Scarysherry
13 days ago

Melinda Gates is such a classy lady. She and her children deserved better from Bill. I don’t doubt for a minute that he caught a nasty gift on his adventures. I hope life treats her better from now on.

2xchump
2xchump
13 days ago

PS- I left my SECOND email to Melinda Gates on her website. I told her about Tracy’s book Leave a Cheater again and I applauded her for her courage in not explaining Bills FOO issues or what her part was in his cheating etc…I read that Melinda charges $100,000 to $200,000 for her speaking engagements. I wish Tracy could interview her for free!! Just a dream but what a podcast that would be.

wrongpastachump
wrongpastachump
13 days ago

From one chump to another I hope you are at Meh!

Peace and big hugs Melinda. Whatever happens you are a lady.

FYI_
FYI_
13 days ago

Why was Epstein angry at Bill Gates? What was the “insult added to injury?”
I mean, how did he manage to insult someone who is utterly soulless?

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
13 days ago
Reply to  FYI_

Hell actually hath no fury like a rabid social climber who gets reminded that they’re not actually in the big boy club but just grubby little fixers, lackeys and errand boys.

Anyway, I don’t think small d*ck energy is necessarily a contradiction for psychopaths. According to prison interviews with serial k*llers and manifestos written by mass k*llers in which quite a few report that being rejected by women set off their sprees, it suggests antisocial personality disorder can be synonymous with spectacularly fragile ego.

There’s also the threats to invade Greenland and set off WWII in revenge for being denied a Nobel prize…

Best Thing
Best Thing
13 days ago

Nobel shmobel. Our National Embarrassment got the FIFA Peace Prize. Try and top that Obama! /s

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
13 days ago
Reply to  Best Thing

I wonder what Infantino will say when the administration threatens to send ICE agents to stalk and disappear fans at the World Cup in NY an NJ this year.

Best Thing
Best Thing
13 days ago

Wouldn’t happen. ICE agents are used for political expedience, and there isn’t any political gain in disappearing soccer fans. In my town there are thousands of immigrants, but they are by vast majority white. I’ve never seen an ICE agent.

Best Thing
Best Thing
13 days ago
Reply to  Best Thing

I’m not saying all soccer fans are white, but the non-white folks should know by now to not make themselves available for capture.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
12 days ago
Reply to  Best Thing

Kind of like how Anne Franks knew better than to go to temple under Nazi occupation? Sensible I suppose but still evil and dehumanizing.

Most soccer fans, like most soccer players and humans on earth, are brown and black. Soccer is also close to a religion in Latin countries, Asia and Africa. The fact that emigres in the US and fans from certain countries are going to have to stay away from events in NY/NJ is also “sensible” but still evil and dehumanizing.

Chumplet
Chumplet
13 days ago

A decade ago, when Trump was first elected, it became nauseatingly clear to me that we were in a new Dark Age. Human society was/is in steep and accelerating decline for reasons too numerous to list.

But I always felt my family’s home was a haven, and that I had a life partner who was a good person, whom I loved and trusted and respected.

But no, that moral rot was in that very person I trusted and he brought it right into our family’s home. The deceit. The misogyny. (And we have a daughter.) The utter selfishness.

It’s mind-bending.

And it must be even worse for Melinda French Gates.

OHFFS
OHFFS
13 days ago
Reply to  Chumplet

Well said. I felt the same way.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
13 days ago
Reply to  Chumplet

What you’re saying reminds me of Stanley Milgram’s arguments about “agentic” people who can’t think for themselves and so basically emulate whatever entity is in power.

But I’ve always wondered if this is such an accident or whether these “empty vessels” were always secretly prone to emulating evil or at least taking license to do the things they always secretly yearned to do when evil comes to power.

Chilean writer-director Pablo Larrain explores this angle in one of his early films, Post-Mortem, about a little nothing of a mortician who develops an obsesssion with a showgirl just as Pinochet stages a violent coup. I won’t spoil it but Larrain seems to be arguing that the real reason lowly Joe Blows, despite having the most to lose under authoritarian regimes, may still support these regimes is because repressive dictatorships provide license for garden variety mutants to fly their freak flags high.

jahmonwildflower
jahmonwildflower
13 days ago

Yes, new and disgusting info comes out for years, in my experience. New betrayal objects, new places,etc. Over the past few years, I have learned of so many more betrayal objects in so many other places. Some existed for years and years (decades!) The good news that I think Melissa understands is that it is a huge relief to not have to ever touch the ex-FW ever again. To never have to see his naked body again. Ugh! Going to sleep at night and waking up in the morning by myself is so wonderful and peaceful. I think she gets that. My ex-FW spent decades chasing down and having encounters with the lowest of the low (Alcoholics? STD/STI-infected? “Between jobs” and my favorite: Crininal histories…Oh, yes!) Yuck. None of that has anything to do with me. So glad to not be a part of that. You got this, Melissa. None of this is you.

OHFFS
OHFFS
13 days ago

I feel horrible for Melinda. What a gut-wrenching thing to find out.

One aspect which I find bizarre is that a man that wealthy should have to turn to Epstein to get antibiotics. He didn’t have a single shady, unethical friend with an MD who could do that? I get the impression he didn’t have many (if any) friends, so JE was his one stop shop for favors.

Archer
Archer
12 days ago
Reply to  OHFFS

One hallmark of the narcissist is no true deep long time reciprocal friendahips. Mostly acquaintances, co-workers, flying monkeys, shallow friendships of convenience with other cheaters or skanks. This is certainly true in my ex the FW narcopath and other narcs I know IRL but none are billionaires.
My guess is BG felt oddly close to Epstein in a way because he didn’t have to keep up the pretense of the “good philanthropist’ and knew JE wouldn’t hesitate to secretly dose Melinda with anything. In fact Epstein could have thrown a dinner party and dosed Melinda for Bill if circumstances permitted

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Innocencelost
Innocencelost
12 days ago

warning- the wild card website where her interview is posted has some upsetting comments on it. Like much of the internet, don’t read the comments! Except here:-)

Chumplet
Chumplet
12 days ago
Reply to  Innocencelost

Yes, incels think French Gates and Mackenzie Scott are despicable women who took a man’s money. 🤢

bread&roses
bread&roses
12 days ago

Seems to me many people — 1 percenters and average joes alike — glorify child r@pe, p0rn, abuse. The detail from the Gates story that is getting attention is the antibiotics. The “girls” are a status symbol for these entitled men. This barely hidden underworld has been normalized, even expected. Public finger wagging but behind closed doors back patting. The young/trafficked and underaged women are not what makes this story stand out (though Melinda repeatedly tries to recenter the interview from her own abuse at Bill’s hands to the large scale abuse perpetrated by powerful men) because it’s nauseatingly common and goes unpunished.

But the mention of Bill’s abuse of Melinda (rare case where well-being of victimized wife comes up), STIs, and secretly administered antibiotics does not fit the sexy and glamorous image/lifestyle these men (and pop culture) like to imagine/portray. It’s emasculating and embarrassing. I don’t think the pundits and mysoginists are at all concerned about Melinda Gates. They’re just gleeful to have a way to mock Bill Gates and take scrutiny away from themselves and these kinds of crimes and abuses of women. It’s all so sad and disgusting. While I hope this is a turning point, I’m not hopeful.

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Renee62
Renee62
10 days ago
Reply to  bread&roses

An “underaged women” does not exist. This is a child, a minor. Calling minors “underaged women” especially with regard to s€xual violence minimizes the crimes committed. They were children. And we have to name them as such. Crimes were committed against children. These are the most vile of crimes.

bread&roses
bread&roses
10 days ago
Reply to  Renee62

Thanks for pointing out the problematic language; I agree. In my post, I was trying to stress that wealthy, powerful and famous men around the world systematically abuse women and children (as I highlighted in my first sentence), largely without consequence. I should have instead written “trafficked children and young women.”

The euphemism ‘underaged’ is designed to minimize and cover up crimes against children. Like the term ‘illegal immigrants’ (humans are never illegal, *even if* they commit crimes), it’s a weapon. It also objectifies and dehumanizes women, implying that their sole worth/purpose is in being legally “of age” to provide sexual services. The legal age is somewhat arbitrary, and in reality the line separating young women or girls is not that defined. So even where legally condoned, I am disgusted by the sexual entitlement of older men targeting very young women — a trend not limited to billionaires. And whether the victims are children or vulnerable young women, these men target vulnerability.

noChump
noChump
10 days ago

I asked my cheater if he thought Melinda had “neglected Bill’s needs” (what he blames me for). Oh no, he said, all those Billionaires do it.

So it’s to be expected of them I guess. My FW was an average Joe who was neglected.