Monica Lewinsky Isn’t Going to the Ball

I interrupt this Fun Friday challenge to report the very distressing news that former White House intern Monica Lewinsky was uninvited to a vapid celebrity event because… Bill Clinton.

USA Today reports:

Monica Lewinsky said Wednesday that her invitation to an event about “social change” was rescinded when former president Bill Clinton decided to attend the same affair.

Lewinsky didn’t name the organization, but she said she was offered an article in a magazine after her invitation was withdrawn.

“Please don’t invite me to an event (esp one about social change) and — then after I’ve accepted — uninvite me because Bill Clinton then decided to attend/was invited,” Lewinsky tweeted. “It’s 2018. Emily Post would def not approve.”

“p.s. … and definitely, please don’t try to ameliorate the situation by insulting me with an offer of an article in your mag,” she added.

HuffPost reported that Town & Country was the magazine in question and it had pulled Lewinsky’s invite to its annual philanthropy summit at Hearst Tower in New York City on Wednesday.

Town & Country did not immediately respond to USA TODAY’s request for comment on the HuffPost story.

I know this happened a few days ago, but I only became aware of it when this Great Injustice appeared in my Facebook news feed and I got in a kerfuffle over it. I wrote that I had no sympathy for Monica Lewinsky. Zippo. Zilch. None. (Looking under the cushions… and… nope.)

But! Did you read her articles? See her TED talk? She’s so POISED! 

And “If you think the powerful man that had a big hand in destroying her life gets preference here, then I need to hear why…”

I replied:

I think she was a young adult with full agency when she chose to have an affair with Bill Clinton (a serial cheat). She’s heavy on the self pity and has zero regrets or apologies to Hillary Clinton. Since then, she appears have to done nothing with her life other than trade on her notoriety, get a degree at the LSE (one of my alma maters, I cringe), and design handbags. She’s an attention whore and I have absolutely no sympathy for her. She got uninvited from a vapid celebrity event. She’s a D-Lister and the former president isn’t. He wins the popularity contest. She should go do something productive with her life. I find her an absolutely appalling person.

Now I have to go hand in my feminist card because I don’t weep for former OW and their failed line of handbags. I guess I’m an old-fashioned feminist. I prefer women to have jobs. Like you know, Secretary of State.

Monica Lewinsky has made an entire “career” out of being Monica Lewinsky. She’s like a Kardashian constructed entirely out of self-pity.

So where does CN come in? Your Fun Friday Challenge is to suggest other things Monica Lewinsky could be doing this weekend. (Posting her resume on Indeed.com, taking up alms for the poor, polishing orphans…)

Or you can unpack why Monica Lewinsky is not part of #MeToo. I believe iconic feminist Betty Friedan summed it up best when she referred to Lewinsky as that “little twerp.”

Here’s my unpacking. If we’re going to take on #MeToo — and Holy Shit, this is long overdue — we need to distinguish between women who sleep with their bosses to advance, and those who do not. (Then you may further unpack women who have this shit forced on them in a quid pro quo. Also NOT Lewinsky’s story.) It’s the difference between VIchy France and the French Resistance, IMO. You can’t collaborate with your oppressor and then want the gold medal given to resisters. “We’re all the same because Nazi Occupation!” No. Shut the fuck up.

Monica Lewinsky was 22 years old and had agency. She was a star-fucker (or sucker, if you want to get technical.) I can see how she would regret this and be mortified now. I cannot see making a lifetime celebrity junket out of the experience. Was it unfair that she got a lot of paparazzi attention and bad press and blame, whereas Bill Clinton was merely impeached? Yes, that’s unfair. But there are risks when you have an affair with a married man. You didn’t wind up shot dead in a Philadelphia suburb, so there’s that.

Anywho, got any weekend suggestions for Monica?

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Elizabeth
Elizabeth
5 years ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

I have to say I disagree with this post. The power differential was substantial and I believe he used his influence to be grossly abusive, as he had with several women prior to Lewinsky. All of whom were blamed and attacked and silenced, not just by Bill Clinton, but by Hillary Clinton. Monica Lewinsky has apologized on several occasions for her actions, sincerely. I have not seen very many true apologies from the Clinton’s – you can tell they are politically motivated.

Normally I agree with the vast majority of what you write, but as a victim of assault and predation by men, I see what Clinton did as just another version of male entitlement. I don’t consider someone a year out of college to be an adult, especially considering Clinton was in his 50’s at the time. Clear exploitation on his part.

Alice
Alice
5 years ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

After Tinman burnt down the pub they bought while they were still attempting to pull the whole woe is me my pub got burnt by ruffians schtick they were all over the news, she was his “life partner” and there were many many photos of him protectively hugging her in the ruins of their dream, or photos of them standing disconsolately across from each other staring at the burnt pool table… meanwhile it had only been a year since he broke up with me… the woman who had seen him through 10 years of his career, who had helped him build from front office manager to managing an entire hotel, who had held his hand and sympathised and fluffed him up every step of the way. But SHE was the life partner….

brit
brit
5 years ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

Not a suggestion, (on my way out to an appt.) but I was having lunch with Cheater in Palm Springs a couple years after the into scandal and Monica was sitting at the table next to ours.

Little did I know at the time I would be dealing with my own scandal with Cheater/Great Guy who was probably cheating at the time anyway. Of course being a man of high moral values himself, cheater was appalled and disgusted yet couldn’t stop looking over at her.

Arnold
Arnold
5 years ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

The me too deal should include guys that were victimized, as well. Seen a of of this with women bosses.

2nd Gen
2nd Gen
5 years ago
Reply to  Arnold

Arnold, I don’t think the #MeToo movement explicitly excludes men, but the whole point of it is to start a frank discussion about “real women” and their stories. For a long time, you’d hear about a woman who had too much to drink and was taken advantage of by a predator. Why didn’t she drink less? Why wasn’t she drinking with friends who would watch out for her? Raped for walking at night? She should have gotten a day job, should have known better. Raped by a person she thought was a friend, or someone she was dating? What was she wearing? Soooo many stories about pre-teen girls getting cat-called, looked-up, perved on by older men before they even hit puberty or understood what it meant, just that it made them feel bad about themselves and their bodies.

I can stay home, never go out after dark, cover myself, and never drink. But the problem isn’t my actions, what I’m wearing, that I have breasts, or long hair, or that I drink, or that I like to go out at night. It’s the actions of a predator. The whole point of #MeToo meant to shift the focus from “what are women doing wrong” or “certain kinds of women are asking for it” to “what is wrong with these men?” and “what can we do to raise better men?”

It is clearly wrong for a woman to abuse her authority for sexual favors, or to take advantage of a young student, or to be predatory with a date that had been drinking too much. It is important to have those discussions. I’m not sure that hopping aboard the #MeToo train is fair or sensitive to the ongoing issues women are facing.

2nd Gen Chump
2nd Gen Chump
5 years ago
Reply to  2nd Gen

Coming back to say that the power of #MeToo is that a whole generation of women are standing up and saying “enough”. They are saying “it was not my fault”. They changing the dialog of blame-shifting and victim-shaming towards one of strength, of solidarity. We are trying to show the world that nearly HALF OF THE HUMAN POPULATION has been affected by sexual misconduct of some level.

Not “some women” or “a certain kind of woman” or “an irresponsible woman that takes chances with her safety” or “women who dress provocatively and are asking for it.” Nearly all women.

It is a college co-ed who was encouraged to drink more than she can handle – or slipped a date rape drug. It was a pre-teen girl getting molested by a music teacher or coach or youth pastor or cousin or neighbor. It was a woman who felt unsafe walking to her car in a parking lot, being followed by a group of “boys just having fun”. It’s the new professional that grimaces at the innuendo and jokes the “old boys club” makes. It’s the woman who takes her earbuds out so a stranger can tell her to smile, then called a bitch/whore/cunt for not showing sexual interest. It’s the woman in a crowd that was surreptitiously groped because he could get away with it. The woman who went on a date with a guy who kept pushing her boundaries over and over until she “consented” to sex.

Nearly every single woman you meet has one or more of these stories of being pressured, being scared, being ashamed, being hurt.

And men are shocked. SHOCKED. Surely not all men behave like that. No, not all men, but enough men that this is a serious issue and people are finally talking about it.

At any rate, you can imagine that the peanut gallery here at CN is pretty positive with #MeToo, and putting the blame back on the predator and giving support and grace to the victim. (A cheating spouse is absolutely sexually abusing his or her partner, if only by taking away informed consent.) Clearly we are sympathetic and empathetic when anyone gets hurt. The goal of feminism isn’t to make women better than men, it’s to make them equal. “Hey, could you stop interfering with our reproductive rights and raping us? That’d be so cool, thanks.” When someone pipes up “well, what about us guys?” I’d like to point out that social change is mutually beneficial. We’d like to end the toxic stereotypes that prevent men from seeking therapy, that encourage them to act like “manly men” and help when they are abused, and to see the perpetrator punished.

Feeling a little long winded on the subject, because #MeToo

Chumpantidote
Chumpantidote
5 years ago
Reply to  2nd Gen Chump

2nd Gen Chump ????.
My heart breaks for you and with you and now for my little girl.
A #tinymetoo movement began and I put one up for her.

Much love for your healing.

Every woman I’ve asked about #Metoo has affirmed yes, them too. Many of us multiple times.
All men predators.

The predatorial attacks began at 12yo for me. Much younger for my daughter. Slightly older for my eldest daughter.

Male school friends too. All male relative predators.

Thankyou 2nd Gen I drank every wise word you wrote.

Affairs are indeed sexual abuse.
I did not consent to that in my marraige.
I had no chance to know if I was consenting to potential STDs.
And there were STDs.
I could SEE it.

But the disclosures of my daughters, no words.

CurlyChump
CurlyChump
5 years ago
Reply to  2nd Gen

Beautifully said. Thank you.

Datdamwuf
Datdamwuf
5 years ago
Reply to  2nd Gen

Thanks for answering Arnolds ‘what about the menz’ objection so well. No one is dismissing men who are abused, but it’s not the epidemic women face in this space. Further, it is a distraction from the very real disparity.

Arnold
Arnold
5 years ago
Reply to  Arnold

Nashville’s mayor comes to mind.

GonnaBeOK
GonnaBeOK
5 years ago

Why was she invited to the event anyway?

I think she could clean out her closet. Finally send that blue dress to the cleaners, get that stain out.

Chumpinrecovery
Chumpinrecovery
5 years ago
Reply to  GonnaBeOK

Why was Bill invited? I guess they had to dump Monica from the lineup once they convinced an even bigger depraved asshole to show up. Shows the kind of company this rag keeps. But it’s a charity event. “It’s for the children”. Our society is so messed up.

UnsinkableMollyX
UnsinkableMollyX
5 years ago
Reply to  GonnaBeOK

????????????????????????????

Skinwalker
Skinwalker
5 years ago

Monica Lewinsky should be “boning” up on how to take her attention whoring to the next level!

My mother has a saying regarding the media and has used it many times over the years:

“They make heroes out of whores.”

Donna Rice
Jessica Hawn
Gennifer Flowers
Amy Fisher
Stormy Daniels
Joe Piscopo’s then 18 year old babysitter
[The Next Person to Boink a Married Celebrity That the Media Cannot Get Enough Of]
… ad nauseam

My mom still says it. And I think it’s true. The media gives way too much coverage to OWs of powerful men. Then the OWs think they’re celebrities too. Some of them get agents to manage their “careers.” I wonder if Lewinsky has an agent. Probably.

I submit to you the person Monica Lewinsky should strive to emulate, the Most Audacious Other Woman I have ever heard of in my area (not to mention my life).

Tara Obenauer of Massapequa, NY (Long Island town that curiously was also involved in the Jessica Hahn and Amy Fisher brouhahas).

She and a married cop would have sex together while he was on duty. He would park his patrol car right in her driveway for hours while they went at it (no matter that she had children living at home).

Like other media hero/whores, she took full advantage of her OW status!

I can’t tell which of her attention whore antics was the most audacious.

Here are her two frontrunners:

1. Tara Obenauer’s self-serving Facebook “faux-pology” to the cop’s wife, which she wrote (a) because she was angry he lied to her about divorcing his wife and (b) to counter the cop’s claim that the affair was all HER fault.

The story is a real beaut. Even the ridiculous pic of the cheaters at top perfectly captures their arrogance and lack of character.

— Crowely, Kieran. “Apology to Cad Cop’s Wife.” New York Post. May 1, 2012.

https://nypost.com/2012/05/01/apology-to-cad-cops-wife/

2. Suing Nassau County and its Police Department for “severe and substantial emotional damages” she suffered “because officials were ‘negligent’ for not keeping Officer Mike Tedesco from visiting her house while he was on duty.”

— Venezia, Todd. “Long Island Cop’s Mistress Suing Nassau County Over Affair.” New York Post. July 13, 2012.

https://nypost.com/2012/07/13/long-island-cops-mistress-suing-nassau-county-over-affair/

Even More OW Certified Playbook Speech from the story quoted above:

Obernauer refused to comment yesterday, but in April she told The Post: “He was cheating on the county, and he was cheating on me, and he did the same thing to his own wife and children.”

***eye roll***

Study the masters, Monica and make haste! You should take more drastic measures to make the most out of this attention whoring opportunity.

cashmere
cashmere
5 years ago

Things Monica can do. Hmmmm.

–Raise funds for free professional clothing and. dry cleaning for abandoned wives attempting to reenter the workforce after years spent raising children and/or devoted to the “family” business. We can call it “The Blue Dress Fund.”

–Plot out a new TED talk in which she examines all of the serious repercussions *for others” of blowing a married man. Kind of like the butterfly effect, but without the butter.

FindingBliss
FindingBliss
5 years ago
Reply to  cashmere

Hilarious! I love the Blue Dress Fund idea!

Doingme
Doingme
5 years ago

All that comes to mind is that she might sell her services in a place where prostitution is legal.

I’m sure many will pay big bucks for a blow job from one who has executive sucking skills. #iblewapresident

Mehtamorphosis
Mehtamorphosis
5 years ago
Reply to  Doingme

She should use her sucking skills to suck a golf ball through a garden hose this weekend.

UnsinkableMollyX
UnsinkableMollyX
5 years ago
Reply to  Doingme

????????????????????????

Laughing Gator
Laughing Gator
5 years ago

It’s been more than 20 years since that shameful affair and WHAT exactly has she done with her life ?
Most people would let it go if she admitted that she did a terrible thing, that she was wrong AND apologized to Hillary Clinton.
She then should have moved to Nebraska or something and quietly lived her life.
Instead she is a “victim” and a permanent D list celebrity and people despise her.
She should go help refugees or orphaned kids, something instead of being a female Kato Kaelin.

UnsinkableMollyXinAlabama
UnsinkableMollyXinAlabama
5 years ago
Reply to  Laughing Gator

Whoa! That’s sadly spot-on and hilarious!!!

Amiisfree
Amiisfree
5 years ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

And Monica is famous for her low blow. ????

Pulmafool
Pulmafool
5 years ago
Reply to  Amiisfree

Good one!

Chumpinrecovery
Chumpinrecovery
5 years ago

Not much sympathy for Monica, but Bill Clinton is still an asshole and it bothers the heck out of me that so many women voters like him so much. Why? He’s a serial cheater, harasser and quite likely a rapist to boot. That must be the kind of asshole we prefer to have as president as we’ve done it all again now with Trump.

StigOfTheChump
StigOfTheChump
5 years ago

Because apparently he’s likeable and charismatic *sad trombone*

Thrive
Thrive
5 years ago

The difference is we knew about trump and still voted him in bills transgressions were revealed while in office But then we voted him in a second time. And the female vote contributed substantially to both. When do we finally agree that infidelity speaks to character in business also. I don’t want a liar and cheater leading my country. Can’t be trusted.

Feelingit
Feelingit
5 years ago

Love your post CIR.

And as for Hilary being complicit and eating a shit sandwich, totally disagree, she is a power whore like so many of them.

At our pre trial this week, my lawyer told me that in chambers with the judge, fuckwit’s lawyer said testing showed son to be 2 years below grade level(not true) and fuckwit said I had hurt son by not having him tested years ago. My lawyer and the judge both questioned, well where was fuckwit then, why didn’t he do something. His lawyer’s response, he was complicit. Bullshit! Fuckwit had no interest in son’s schooling and no understanding nor care because it was not about him . He is not complicit in anything, he does what matters to him. Hilary falls in the same category, she knows exactly what she wants and does whatever she needs to get it.

UnsinkableMollyXinAlabama
UnsinkableMollyXinAlabama
5 years ago
Reply to  Feelingit

Go on FeelingIt!!
That is exactly how I feel!
I’m glad the judge saw through your exh’s bullshit.

cashmere
cashmere
5 years ago

–Netflix binge _Dr. Foster._

susan Devlin
susan Devlin
5 years ago

She’s still trying to trade on what she did. I think ow have a different take on reality. She knows she’s one of many, but is probably in denial. My exs ow still won’t f… Off after 5 years. You have to move on with your life, or the cheater and ow will drag you down. Which is probably what they want (sad bastards), what I mean the ow won’t f… Off, she hangs around where I live, and the public transport travel stops, looking for my wonderful ex.

StigOfTheChump
StigOfTheChump
5 years ago
Reply to  susan Devlin

Yes, I think Monica enjoys the notoriety.

VulcanChump
VulcanChump
5 years ago

I admit, agency or not, I always felt a twinge of pity for her – I hate that she gets thrown under the bus and Bill Clinton gets to be a lovable scoundrel.

That said, if she can’t go to the party, she ought to do something extra wonderful for her mother this weekend for the holiday. If I remember her TED talk correctly, her mom kept her from seriously considering suicide back in the day. I know flowers or breakfast would never fully make up for it, but it would be a start.

Doingme
Doingme
5 years ago
Reply to  VulcanChump

VC

One blow Job that we know of. Let’s not forget we only have a snapshot of what happened. I have no sympathy for Monica. She was not a victim rather a participant.

I liken a pass to her to be the equivalent of saying we’ll excuse OW based on their age differential.

Hillary was much like many Chumps here who had long time marriages expecting loyalty and were traded in for a twenty something.

Agency is the key.

UnsinkableMollyXinAlabama
UnsinkableMollyXinAlabama
5 years ago
Reply to  VulcanChump

That’s an excellent suggestion!
It drives me nuts how they still give Bill Clinton a free pass with no consequences, but she is wearing the Scarlett Letter.

Traffic_Spiral
Traffic_Spiral
5 years ago

I’d say it’s not that she wears a scarlet letter, but just that she doesn’t do anything else. For Bill, I can be like, “yeah, he’s a cheater (maybe – there’s a good chance that he and Hil are open) but I like his politics.” For Monica, it’s like “yeah, she messed around with a married man but I like her… what?” I don’t know her personally, and publicly, there’s no other reason to care about her.

Datdamwuf
Datdamwuf
5 years ago
Reply to  Traffic_Spiral

I believe the same, that Hillary and Bill have an open marriage but it’s political suicide to say so. Hillary is no chump. It is possible she just dealt with it to get her turn, but I’d like to believe the former is true

Chumpinrecovery
Chumpinrecovery
5 years ago

That’s right. She gets to keep her letter. She earned it, but Bill needs to get a matching one. Actually, Bill needs a whole closet full.

QueenMother
QueenMother
5 years ago

What Monica should do: legally change her name. Move to another country. Seek advice for personal decisions from the best people she knows, the people who are wise, decent, and accomplished.

Yes, she should develop a career.

I’m not sure that the dumbass bastard Clinton doesn’t owe her money.

I consider her part of the #MeToo movement.

SNAPOUTOFIT
SNAPOUTOFIT
5 years ago
Reply to  QueenMother

I just watched an old interview with Monica. Turns out before Clinton she had an affair with another married man. She knew what she was doing. She definitely isn’t part of the me too movement if she’s flashing her thong to the president.

Rumblekitty
Rumblekitty
5 years ago
Reply to  QueenMother

Women who aggressively pursue other women’s husbands do not get a ticket into the #metoo movement. And anyone that says there was a power imbalance or claims so was too young to know what she was doing are gullible. She was bright enough to attain a job at the White House, and conniving enough to keep that nasty blue dress. She knew exactly what she was doing, and she smiled at Hillary and Chelsea while she did it. No. She doesn’t get a pass.

Chump Princess
Chump Princess
5 years ago
Reply to  Rumblekitty

I don’t see Monica as a victim and I have absolutely no sympathy for her. Yes, there was a power dynamic in this situation and she was young, and I give a lot of leeway to the reasoning ability of young people. However, I see Bill and Monica as two predatory people. What is being argued is who was the better/worse predator. We can say that because of her youth and relative inexperience she was the less experienced predator – that’s all I’m willing to concede. There were other interns working in the WH who did not show their panties and/or give Bill Clinton a blow job – and it isn’t because he wouldn’t have taken it. Monica was not a draftee – she was an enthusiastic volunteer. She didn’t even give Bill a chance to ask to see her panties. She could start her own “What About Me?” movement which is more in line with her experience than “Me Too.”

Amiisfree
Amiisfree
5 years ago
Reply to  Rumblekitty

Interesting. I don’t feel gullible. You are entitled to your views, as am I.

Crimson Comet
Crimson Comet
5 years ago
Reply to  Rumblekitty

Absolutely. She played a high stakes gamble. She knew what she was doing. If it worked, she would have had quite the gravy train. She gambled a lot, and lost. There is no victim.

Trying for Mighty
Trying for Mighty
5 years ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

I’m kind of on the fence here. I might misremember this (it has been 20 years), but wasn’t Monica an intern? That would place Bill in a workplace place of authority over her. I am a university professor who has seen a number of these older men/undergraduate student “relationships,” and I still think the prof transgresses more than the student–it’s an unequal power relationship.
On the other hand, my stbx carried on an inappropriate boundary crossing emotional affair relationship with an ex student for years, and she was definitely no victim, but an active agent. She might have been young, but youth is no excuse.
UnicornNoMore, I’m sorry for the loss of your nephew. I lost mine to an IED in Afghanistan–at 23, on his fourth combat tour. As you say (and as your own exemplary experience proves) some of the young are actually competent and responsible adults.

Working It Out
Working It Out
5 years ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

I agree. Ms Lewinsky was no young, dumb virgin who was seduced. He wasn’t her first married man. I’m just sorry that the adult female family members that she confided in didn’t tell her to stop.

Traffic_Spiral
Traffic_Spiral
5 years ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

I’d say she was harassed by the media… but again, maybe she should have thought about that before she messed with a married man.

ICanSeeTheMehComing!
ICanSeeTheMehComing!
5 years ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

Monica had enough AGENCY to KEEP THE DRESS for fucks sake. She knew exactly what she was doing.

Hopeful
Hopeful
5 years ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

“It was a mutual relationship.”

“Sure, my boss took advantage of me, but I will always remain firm on this point: it was a consensual relationship.”

AND…

“I now see how problematic it was that the two of us even got to a place where there was a question of consent. Instead, the road that led there was littered with inappropriate abuse of authority, station, and privilege.”

“I’m beginning (just beginning) to consider the implications of the power differentials that were so vast between a president and a White House intern. I’m beginning to entertain the notion that in such a circumstance the idea of consent might well be rendered moot. (Although power imbalances—and the ability to abuse them—do exist even when the sex has been consensual.)”

——————————————————
I have a daughter the same age as Lewinsky was when she had her affair. Heck, at that age I had TWO KIDS and was fully an adult! I agree with CL, she was old enough to exercise agency. She wasn’t an abused child. She was an adult woman who CHOSE to have an affair with a married man.

That said, the power imbalance only complicates things for Clinton. It doesn’t make what she did *any less wrong* but it certainly does make what he did *much more wrong*.

It’s (almost) the same as professors having affairs with grad whores, or military personnel having affairs with lesser-ranked whores. Wrong of the AP, much more wrong for the person in a position of power.

I said almost the same, because Clinton was the freaking PRESIDENT!!! The moral expectations and the consequences of moral failings are magnified exponentially.

dorothy rose
dorothy rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Hopeful

Hopeful, yes exactly this! My cheater was a college teacher; ow an undergrad

TorontoChump
TorontoChump
5 years ago
Reply to  Hopeful

Thank you. That sums it up for me:

“That said, the power imbalance only complicates things for Clinton. It doesn’t make what she did *any less wrong* but it certainly does make what he did *much more wrong*” Also, the fact she is single while he is married… again, makes her disgusting but him disgusting-er.

For the weekend? She should invite Hillary out to lunch and first, they should swap Bill stories (“weren’t you shocked when you first saw his penis: how tiny and shrivelled it is?”). Then they should swap stories about how much worse they were both treated by the media and society at large than the “loveable cad.” Finally, they can swap stories about where it’s really got them by refusing to unhitch their respective wagons from that particular star. Hillary: “Well, by staying with him I got obscenely rich by some rather dubious means, modelled some shit sandwich swallowing for my daughter, and lost the presidency in part bc many people who mistrusted Trump had come to mistrust me and my horn dog spouse even more.” Monica: “Well I am invited to, then disinvited from, inane social events. My name is still synonymous with shady sex acts with the boss. And I am in a never ending cycle of kibble eating with the public at large: aTTENtTIOn for the rest of my life for sucking powerful dick, rather than creating a life of purpose and accomplishment.” Then they should eat lots of lobster, wash it down with champagne and charge both meals to Slick Willy’s credit card.

Amiisfree
Amiisfree
5 years ago
Reply to  Hopeful

Yep. Even if she threw herself at him with a catapult, he should have rejected her advances for a whole bunch of reasons, all of which boil down to “when you’re the one with the greater power and experience, that comes with significant responsibility.”

Yes, she was an adult. Yes, she consented, even pursued, the sex. Yes, she had agency. His consent remains an abuse of power. And if you think that isn’t happening everywhere in politics, ask a local level legislative intern about the term “legislative pu**y”. All the wedding rings come off at an after party filled with cute young pages regardless of gender.

She should spend her time continuing her therapy and volunteering for a women’s shelter helping victims of cheating domestic abusers. Spend some time seeing what happens to women in H’s shoes when they don’t have gobs of money and a huge amount of power in their own right.

Kettle
Kettle
5 years ago
Reply to  Amiisfree

All of which boil down to HE WAS MARRIED.

unicornomore
unicornomore
5 years ago
Reply to  Amiisfree

My new husband tells the story that when he was promoted to Colonel, they took a leadership class where part of it was a person telling them “you did NOT just become more handsome or charming…people will gravitate towards your power and it is YOUR task to act responsibly”.

A normal person might take this seriously, a narc would likely think something like “let the blowjobs begin!”.

BlueChumparoo
BlueChumparoo
5 years ago
Reply to  unicornomore

Unicornnomore……my STBX army colonel did just that.

Preyed upon his female Sargent in Iraq.

Carried on with her after he came home.

We went to a big conference in a major city, myself and my little toddler tagged along at the last minute……this Sargent stomped up to us in the very crowded hotel lobby with 50+ servicemen dressed in army fatigues and angrily said, “the hotel is full, they don’t have any more rooms! Where am I supposed to sleep?!”

Col Dr Dickwad McCheaterpants Extraordinaire just stared at her with his cold shark eyes, turned and walked away….chumpy me grabbed my toddler and went scurrying after him to the elevators……what was that all about?! Who was that?! Why would you have anything to do with her room assignment…..that’s not your job….who’s in charge of that? Shouldn’t you get on them for messing this up? COLONEL?
SO FUCKING HUMILIATING to know how ridiculous I looked. My abuser didn’t *really* want us to come…..he was gambling that I wouldn’t want to take a long drive with a toddler and spend most of the days by myself trying to entertain him in a hotel…….but I did go….cuz….family time…..relationship effort….ugh

He had a fuckbuddy lined up at a military conference who was also in the military!!!
What a maroon.

Kiminator
Kiminator
5 years ago
Reply to  BlueChumparoo

Yes. My cheater was career Navy. A recrutor for first five. years. Very good at it! At an awar ceramony in another town, while staying in a motel, cheaters whore was in another room. I was left alone on the dance floor to go to our room. He came in at 5 AM.

BlueChumparoo
BlueChumparoo
5 years ago
Reply to  BlueChumparoo

Actually…..ALL of Dr Dickwad McCheaterpants Extraordinaire’s victims have been subordinate to him.

ol’Blue included I’m ashamed to say.

He doesn’t have “game” as they say, so he bombs out in a bar or social setting, but if he can get to you, day after day, with his brag-a-lot BS lies to impress you, throwing out his trolling lines, hers the poor sad sausage victim, over and over, eventually he can find a low moral, no boundary taker to swallow the hook, line and sinker.

(I must defend myself and say I wasn’t married, he told me he was divorced for 2 years, just recently found out 20 years later he wasn’t divorced, but they were divorcing and she had moved out. I don’t like to think of myself as an OW, but he also chased me relentlessly. I told him to leave me alone, my friends told him to leave me alone, and he did for a while, a mutual friend (flying monkey) asked me to “just talk to him, he’s a nice guy they said, he only likes you they said, he reads his bible everyday at lunch they said” (he really did)….creepy to know what I know now….it was all an act….and the very worst thing I ever did in my entire life to listen to one word that sick abusive manipulative lying sociopathic malignant narcissist had to say! I didn’t trust my gut. 🙁 should have, should have, should have, should have, could have, and didn’t. Shame on me! Ugh!!!)

betterlatethan
betterlatethan
5 years ago
Reply to  unicornomore

That is just so great – hahahaha – you did NOT just come ore handsome or charming . .” Yes. In today’s workplace . . training involves cautionary advice. Didn’t use to. But it’s management’s nightmare when bosses liaise with subordinate employees. And a hostile environment for everyone else. So love this leadership advice.

RockStarWife
RockStarWife
5 years ago
Reply to  betterlatethan

betterlatethannever,

In SOME workplaces, relationships between bosses and subordinates are frowned upon. I can’t imagine ever getting involved with either a boss or a subordinate.

However, in my ex-boyfriend’s workplace, sexually getting involved with your work subordinate seems to be the norm. CEO lives with his assistant, President dated, lived with, then married, then had a child with his subordinate. Finally, my boyfriend (now ex-boyfriend), a VP of his company, got together with his work subordinate and left me. Trying to convince myself that I am better off without him. Still tough nine months past last discard date and years since he started mistreating me.

nomar
nomar
5 years ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

She made a play at trading on her youth and lack of morals to hopefully receive some opportiniesnshe didn’t earn. The play failed. Lots of folks got hurt in the process (arguably millions). She ended up in hot water she boiled herself

unicornomore
unicornomore
5 years ago
Reply to  nomar

Nomar, your take on this is pretty much what mine is. She was young and in a position to have access to powerful people and rather than doing the real work to create a real career, she tried to take a short cut with a blow job. She dove into that hot water of her own choosing. There were thousands of young people who would have loved that same WH internship to do something real.

Kellia
Kellia
5 years ago
Reply to  unicornomore

This is so well said. So many young people would have loved that same internship to accomplish something worthwhile. Instead she chose to spend her tenure in the WH, engaging in sexual jollies. Shaking my head…

Cactusflower
Cactusflower
5 years ago
Reply to  Kellia

And there were other young lady interns who chose not to blow job- and you KNOW Bill was giving them the googley eye too. Choices. Consequences for choices. She has made a living, (and seemingly enjoys it!) being the White House blowjob queen. I’m sure Trump would give her a job!

nomar
nomar
5 years ago
Reply to  nomar

To lump her in with people who just wanted to do their jobs and live with integrity and not be assaulted is an insult to true victims.

Cardigirl
Cardigirl
5 years ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

The youth factor plays into it in my opinion. Yes, she was 22, and had ‘agency’ whatever that is, but, she was 22. He was president. REALLY BIG power difference in my opinion. I see most of the fault lying on Bill’s side. She was so young, not the smartest girl, he totally took advantage.

Agree with you that she could have chosen to go ‘quietly’ away, or try to do some good in the world, which she hasn’t done. That might garner her a little more sympathy.

I wonder what your thoughts might be about Stormy Daniels?

Hope49
Hope49
5 years ago
Reply to  Cardigirl

Stormy Daniels is a WHORE. Her lawyer Micheal Avenatti is a WHORE. President Trump is a WHORE. President Trump’s lawyer Michael Cohen is a WHORE. Now, I think Stormy Daniels is telling the truth but she slept with President Trump because sleeping with him- with no condom- was a ‘future business opportunity’. I would not be surprised if she went to her gyno immediately thereafter to swab her vagina to secure a DNA sample. Seriously.

Phi Slama Jama Mama
Phi Slama Jama Mama
5 years ago
Reply to  Cardigirl

22 is really, really young. Sorry.

Lurkmode
Lurkmode
5 years ago
Reply to  Cardigirl

I’m the same age as Monica Lewinsky and I didn’t have any sympathy for her back in 1996 because I knew, as the entire country knew, that Bill Clinton was married. This wasn’t a situation of sexual harassment. Monica Lewinsky knew full well that Bill Clinton was married, she knew who his wife was and she chose to flash her panties at Bill Clinton anyway.

Monica Lewinsky would’ve done that whether it was Bill Clinton the President or Bill Clinton the head of IT or Accounting. She did not care. It gave her a thrill. She was not some young doe eyed innocent being taken advantage of by the big bad Bill Clinton. I don’t feel sorry for her or Chandra Levy either. Monica should be happy her travels into OW land didn’t end in her death.

As far as Hillary Clinton is concerned, Hillary is damned if she does, damned if she doesn’t. When she said she didn’t want to be a Tammy Wynette standing by her man, she’s just an evil bitch. Now that she stands by her man, she’s still just an evil bitch for staying with her husband.

It doesn’t even sound like Hillary was even at this party, yet I hear Jake Tapper saying Hillary Clinton has yet to apologize to Monica Lewinsky. Jake is stuck on stupid to think Hillary needs to apologize to her husband’s mistress for anything.

Yeah, it’s sad Monica Lewinsky is still being punished at 45 years old for a mistake she made at 22 but have we heard her apologize to Hillary Clinton and the pain and humiliation she put Hillary through? Or Chelsea? No, we just hear about how sad Monica is because she got disinvited to a stupid party. Poor Monica.

WisedUp
WisedUp
5 years ago
Reply to  Lurkmode

Just to be clear, though he was having an affair with Chandra Levy, Gary Condit was falsely accused of her murder, and ultimately, her murder (while jogging in a park) had nothing to do with the affair.

Doingme
Doingme
5 years ago
Reply to  Lurkmode

Mistake? It’s the anti agency justification in my opinion.

Fuck no. They got caught. THAT was the mistake.

mila
mila
5 years ago
Reply to  Lurkmode

@lurkmode – WTG! I agree, Secretary Clinton – damn if she does, damn if she doesn’t. And Monica who?

Calmafterstorm
Calmafterstorm
5 years ago
Reply to  mila

Two things – while I agree with what you wrote, I think:

1. This wasn’t a mistake Monica Lewinsky made. A mistake is when I accidently wore 2 different flip flops to the Good Will. This was a series of decisions she made to enter into an affair with a married man – and I’m sure she saw Hillary around the Oval Office. Let’s not minimize Lewinsky’s choices.

2. Hillary was vilified for being a hypocrite regarding ‘standing by your man’, not because she did. Believe it or not – staunch conservative women really had a lot of empathy for Hillary and the public shit sandwich she was forced to eat.

and lastly…

3. I don’t know who Jake Tappan is, but I would love to smack him on the back of the head for even suggesting Hillary owes Monica Lewinsky so much as a backwards glance much less an apology. What a fuckwit.

HeChump
HeChump
5 years ago
Reply to  Calmafterstorm

“A mistake is when I accidentally wore 2 different flip flops to the Good Will.”

That’s the best thing I’ve read in this whole (enjoyable) thread. Thank you for making me laugh.

Tempest
Tempest
5 years ago
Reply to  Cardigirl

My X’s AP, the one I divorced him over was 22. I work with 18-22 year olds daily and they have both judgment and agency.

Monica DELIBERATELY, and with malice aforethought, lifted her shirt or blazer to reveal her thong underwear to Clinton. Deliberately. Knowing he was a hound dog. How else do you think an intern got invited into the oval office?

My X’s gradwhore marched her little ass down to the coffee shop day after day to meet with the esteemed professor and after a few coffee dates, took him back to her apartment where they fucked on her twin bed.

Both of them–agency. They could both legally (a) vote; (b) fight in wars; (c) get a mortgage on a house, and they can’t help sharing their pussy? Nope.

Kettle
Kettle
5 years ago
Reply to  Tempest

Yeah and instead of saying “Young lady that is hella inappropriate” he chose to fuck her. Let’s not pretend that men are poor lambylambs who are slaves to their own dicks.

Tempest
Tempest
5 years ago
Reply to  Kettle

Read carefully–No one said that, especially me. But 22 year olds bear some responsibility, esp, when they make a habit of targeting married men (as both Lewinsky & my X’s gradwhore did).

nomar
nomar
5 years ago
Reply to  Cardigirl

Notably, Stormy Daniels has plainly said she was nobody’s victim insofar as the sex was concerned. Monica would do well to take a page from her playbook.

Cardigirl
Cardigirl
5 years ago
Reply to  nomar

Maybe Monica should pursue a legal battle with Bill, since it seems to be working for Stormy, as far as garnering respect.

Oh, wait. She’s supposed to disappear. She chose to sleep with a married man, regardless of whether she felt pressured to do it, it’s shameful, because Bill is charming?

Doingme
Doingme
5 years ago
Reply to  Cardigirl

No, she shouldn’t disappear. She needs to accept the fact that there’s no honor in fucking a married man.

She will be judged by her actions for the rest of her life. That’s a consequence.

Shechump
Shechump
5 years ago
Reply to  Doingme

And, well – There you go. Doingme summed it up pretty well.
And, hopefully, so will her sex-partner.

violet
violet
5 years ago
Reply to  Cardigirl

The time for litigation is long passed. It is now time that Ms. Lewinsky get on with her life. She chose to cheat with a married man. That is on her and only her. Likewise, every day she can choose to be a victim or a survivor.

Everyone has bad things happen to them. Everyone. Each of us, however gets to decide whether that bad thing will forever define them. It seems like she is stuck in second gear.

I would have a lot more respect for her if she had chosen to make the most of her life post-Clinton. As it is, she seems content to remain the OW forever more.

I would recommend that she find work which is meaningful to her and that helps those who are in the most need. It would be very difficult for her to continue to feel sorry for herself while working with impoverished mothers, many of whom don’t know how they will be able to feed their children.

Like so many others, Ms. Lewinsky should look beyond herself and her first world problems. She has a roof over her head, food in her belly, and the ability to care for herself. Perhaps if she shared her good fortune, she would begin to heal her mostly self-inflicted wounds. I don’t care whether or not she “disappears”, but I refuse to feel sorry for a woman who appears to be unable to see beyond her own small world.

CeliA
CeliA
5 years ago
Reply to  violet

Wonderful post. There are so many people out there who can do a little help. ????????????

dorothy rose
dorothy rose
5 years ago
Reply to  violet

Great post!

KarenE
KarenE
5 years ago
Reply to  Cardigirl

When I was 22, I would have been really really pissed if anybody told me my CHOICES about who I hit on and who I slept with were not my own. (People who are harassed or coerced, that’s another story, that has nothing to do w/age.)

And if now, older and wiser, I regret some of the things I CHOSE to do then, I would not be making my living and my reputation off them.

unicornomore
unicornomore
5 years ago
Reply to  KarenE

When I was 22, I was working in a Pediatric ICU caring for babies who had open heart surgery. I was accountable for my time and actions down to the minute. In ICUs like that, you dont even pee without telling people you are leaving the room in case your patient decided to try to die while you are away.

My deadcheater is buried next to his dead nephew who was 21 when he was when he was blown up by an IED in Iraq. Plenty of 22 year olds find the fortitude to make profound decisions that hold a lifetime of accountability.

Interestingly enough, my daughter is a 22 year old who has interned in Washington DC and now has a job…I may pick her brain on this just for curiosity’s sake.

Chumplanta
Chumplanta
5 years ago
Reply to  unicornomore

UNM – I hear you. Anyone here can ask themselves, what would I have done if a moderately attractive married person in an amazingly powerful position vis a vis my 22 your old self had propositioned me? What if the Chief of Staff at your hospital had been married and made googly eyes at you? I bet you would have found the nearest escape route. At 22, I was in that situation and I remember thinking it was disgusting and wanted no part of a married man. I knew other 22 yr old females that did ‘go for it’ with the partners. We all knew what we were doing.

Chumplanta
Chumplanta
5 years ago
Reply to  Chumplanta

Oh — and I *was* propositioned by a partner and I was very afraid and nervous about how noping the heck out of the situation would impact my career that I worked so hard for. I was like No, No and No. Maybe not everyone feels they have an escape option, but in my case I was not going to do that. I certainly had a choice. I think Monica did too.

AC
AC
5 years ago
Reply to  KarenE

She was 22… 20+ YEARS ago. She’s not 22 any more. What has Monica done since then? Nothing, really, and that’s the whole issue.

I did stupid shit myself when I was 22… like marry a narcissistic selfish alcoholic braggart and thief. I didn’t know at the time that my wanting him to be a good husband would never make a pile of shit’s worth of difference.

I’m not 22 any more. I gave up on him a long time ago and decided to do better with my life. He hasn’t changed, but I have.

I second the suggestion that she should take her mother out for a fabulous Mother’s Day event. Her mom is also 20+ years older, and she won’t live forever. Monica should show her gratitude for the one person who really cared, whether she likes it or not.

UXworld
UXworld
5 years ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

To borrow from our current Disaster-In-Chief: “There are many selfish and disordered people … on both sides. On both sides.”

un-chumping
un-chumping
5 years ago

Maybe memorize and practice her next speech? Funny why she needs her copy during TED talk. Too scared that her “narrative” a.k.a. Reputation Management could get twisted by her uncooperative memory?? Lol Wtf is her concern with social change anyway when she cannot even show remorse? She’s acting like a (fake) victim. She has sadz. Lol

nomar
nomar
5 years ago

What should Monica do? Go away, be quiet, get a life. An ordinary, do-something, play-by-the-rules, and be-content-with-your-lot life. Unfortunately, that’s not enough for most narcs. They always want something (sex, money, power, centrality, invites to celebrity galas—WTFever) for nothing (or next to nothing, in Monica’s case, a furtive BJ for her married boss). So, she is doomed to continue forever down her pathetic path (preen, whine, repeat).

We don’t control Monica or the other APs we encounter, we only control our reaction to them. I choose to react by laughing at them.

Hey Monica, you STILL suck.

Got-a-brain
Got-a-brain
5 years ago

I’m going to have to agree to disagree on this one. Not because I’m defending cheating, but because I despise those (Town & country) that would uninvite a person because someone with higher social status is attending. That’s similarly familiar to sparking a turd “oh look, it’s sparkly Bill Clinton, let’s give the liar some more social power by uninviting a guest he doesn’t like.”

Handing cheaters (and their apologists) more kibbles, no thanks! I wouldn’t give Bill the satisfaction of thinking he’s being defended, or have the cheater apologists think they did the right thing by univiting her.

Sure, social power is part of the world we live in, and the very thing cheaters use to defend their cheating. I’m not laughing at clowns at the expense of another clown!

BlueChumparoo
BlueChumparoo
5 years ago
Reply to  Got-a-brain

I like the idea of BOTH the blue dress wearer and the cigar inserted having to attend together!

They did the nasty deed(s), they can suffer the uncomfortable evening being embarrassed, watching other people be uncomfortable and/or embarrassed for them.

Cruising around the room trying to avoid each other, bumping into one another in the bathroom corridor.

Let other guests enjoy it as part of the evenings entertainment!

Amiisfree
Amiisfree
5 years ago
Reply to  Got-a-brain

I had a similar thought – if one is uninvited, maybe both should be uninvited. Consider it a drama cleansing. 🙂

Thrive
Thrive
5 years ago
Reply to  Amiisfree

Before this week did any of us know this charity even existed? Can you imagine the increase in funds they will get based on this little PR nightmare…or is it? Of purse they will try to make Bill happy-that is where the “charity” money will come from. Maybe Monica doesn’t have any money. Although I remind us all her family was quite wealthy and connected and the reason she got the internship. She did move to Europe for awhile. How many OWs have that resource? Yes she is doing fine and so is Bill. Good on Hillary for staying the course but too bad she was f$&@ twice by cheaters! Now she should move in!

Sucker Punched by a Saffa
Sucker Punched by a Saffa
5 years ago
Reply to  Thrive

How has Monica been paying her bills over the last twenty years ? Trust fund ?

TorontoChump
TorontoChump
5 years ago
Reply to  Amiisfree

I love this idea. Both of them: uninvited.

Got-a-brain
Got-a-brain
5 years ago
Reply to  Got-a-brain

*For the benefit of another clown… not expense

betterlatethan
betterlatethan
5 years ago
Reply to  Got-a-brain

AGREE. Well said.

insistonhonesty
insistonhonesty
5 years ago

And by Lewinsky’d, you mean… the pity parties they held later on for un-knowing attendees?

First OW was fired from her long-held job of being a mediocre office person. I like to think it had something to do with the fact that when clients would google for her contact information for internet sales, they’d find her face and the story (with proof, so it’s not libel) on shesahomewrecker instead. She hasn’t been able to hold down a job for more than a few months since then, and each is progressively worse. Her mother (also an OW – mistress turned 3rd wife) got cancer and the family was SHOCKED that pretty much no one contributed to her online fundraising. The whole, cheating family decided to ride some sort of sick, Mom-has-cancer Pity Train… but once they boarded, it went nowhere. Now they’re all living in their parents’ house, in foreclosure, because no one feels badly that 6 adults can’t manage to come up with a mortgage payment after 3 daughters and a cheating son-in-law moved out of their apartments and into their parents’ house “to help Mom.” They even tried to fundraise at Grandma’s funeral.

People are “so fake and calice[sic],” you know. (LOL – direct quote!)

I like to think of it more as just desserts. When you spend your whole lives sucking the air out of the room for yourselves, I marvel they were shocked that no one had any pity for them. They have to find new friends constantly, because the old ones get used up so quickly.

As for Monica herself? I don’t give a shit what she does this weekend.

cashmere
cashmere
5 years ago

–Plot out another TED talk in which she examines her role in creating the cultural phenomenon that defines oral sex as not sex.

NotMyFault
NotMyFault
5 years ago

They all suck, including Hillary. She also got what she wanted… to be a New York Senator. Unfortunately (for her) not enough to get her to the White House. She traded HER integrity for that! Monica does need to go away, but, she was a young intern being propositioned by THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. Exponential power imbalance. Just so sad that his behavior has been condoned.

Thrive
Thrive
5 years ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

What integrity

Calmafterstorm
Calmafterstorm
5 years ago
Reply to  Thrive

Ha!

AC
AC
5 years ago
Reply to  Calmafterstorm

It only took one determined reporter with a microphone to get Monica demoted from “Oh oh oh oh oooohhhh baby!” to “that woman… miss uh (what was her name again?) Lewinski”

To bad she chose to stay wallowing in that gutter.

UnsinkableMollyXinAlabama
UnsinkableMollyXinAlabama
5 years ago
Reply to  NotMyFault

Yyyeeaassss!!!

KarenE
KarenE
5 years ago
Reply to  NotMyFault

Actually, she propositioned him.

NorthTexasEx
NorthTexasEx
5 years ago

OWs playing victim is too much!

Mine signed up for a new T-Mobile account with 2 lines for her and my XH and used my address on the account, so that I got the bill – when I found this bill with her name on it in my mailbox after XH had moved out (citing “just needing some time to think about our marriage, no, he was NOT having an affair, how could I even think that?!), I opened it and felt everything come crashing down around me. THEN she filed a complaint with the US Postal Service Inspector General for illegally opening her mail!!! Hahaha!

I spent several years actually trying to figure out WHY they would have been dumb enough to use my address for their secret phone lines – were they thinking I was going to move out of the family home, and she was going to come in to replace me? Uhhhh, I wasn’t the one pursuing some strange – I had a child at home and in school, and I wasn’t going anywhere! Now in hindsight of course, I realize that she knew my cowardly XH wasn’t going to tell me, so she decided to force a confrontation. Took me longer than it should have to figure that one out.

I suggest that Monica should probably spend the weekend checking over her credit report for anything that looks a bit off.

Calmafterstorm
Calmafterstorm
5 years ago
Reply to  NorthTexasEx

Hey – happened to me too. My ex was never going to tell me. OW kept upping the ante – a hickey on the chest here, perfume and cigarette smoke on his clothes there, tons of text messages about her heart breaking when she knew for a fact we were together there….oh yes. OW are crafty devils, aren’t they?

cheaterssuck
cheaterssuck
5 years ago

If she REALLY wanted to move on with her life, she could change her last name. Depending on where you live, it can be a monumental pain in the ass but totally worth it to remove yourself from any remnants of a cheater. And lets face it, even though she wasn’t married to him, she would be doing essentially the same thing.

She could stop feeling sorry for herself and take responsibility for her choices. She could buy a clue or even a whole bunch of them. This story is so 20 years ago.

pecan
pecan
5 years ago

she should set up brunch with Stormy Daniels

ironhardempress
ironhardempress
5 years ago
Reply to  pecan

Bwahahahah!!!!

No Shit Cupcakes
No Shit Cupcakes
5 years ago

She was 22 & knew he was married. If she wanted power, spilling to the DC press about him hassling or propositioning her would have opened more doors.

Anyway, she can go achieve something with her brains. There is still time. Or make wigs for cancer patients. Learn a trade.

Was the social event a fundraiser too? If so, then they follow the bottom line. I would have invited them both and watched the unfolding tableau with interest and a camera.

Anyone expecting their cheater to make some stupid over-the-top meaningless gesture for Mother’s Day?

Kiminator
Kiminator
5 years ago

No! She gets no free pass. She sucks!

Kimhopes
Kimhopes
5 years ago

Monica could change her looks and name and get a job. She has the same hair colour as she did back then. If she had come out one year after the affair, having done the hard work, and apologised for her actions, showed sincere remorse, put her head down and went to work, we wouldn’t still be talking about her.
22 is young, however she has had the same amount of time to look at things from Hilary’s perspective. I also think Hilary gets a really bad deal with people judging her for staying. Plenty of people want their marriages to work. It would be great if she read Chumplady one day and gained a life, but it is her choice. I don’t like victim blaming in any context. Let’s put the blame where it belongs – on Bill and Monica.

dorothy rose
dorothy rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Kimhopes

I agree kim

violet
violet
5 years ago
Reply to  Kimhopes

100 % agree!

betterlatethan
betterlatethan
5 years ago

Disagree. Disagree with the BC feminists who supported BC in the 90s. I’ve been 22. Unlike Monica, I was not under a psychologist’s care. Monica – as you may recall – was the young woman who had an affair with a former married high school teacher (and had I been her mother? I would have been full on rage) But that’s irrelevant. This is an employment issue. The Hilary/Bill issue is a separate topic. Her capitalization (or not) on this early event is irrelevant. What Monica points out, what she is realizing, is that this is an issue of power. I don’t care if a subordinate female walks into an office naked . .the only response management gets to give is: go home and don’t come back until dressed appropriately. Or . .you are fired, if that applies. Or, you are on short-term disability to get help. BC’s disregard, hostility towards women should have been our take-away. Why the hell he is invited to events – still – when we’ve decided Bill Cosby isn’t funny? (you think all the women he abused had sterling reputations? Irrelevant.) Because he’s rich. He’s white. And when you are fund-raising (it was a philanthropic event), your sketch standards sometimes are exposed. Like Monica did. She was pathetic. Sad. Troubled. At 22 (and younger) not thinking of the family she was impacting. Me, neither, at 22. (But I would have gagged before I put that old man’s dick in my mouth.) But so what? This is a really significant example of abuse of power by the most powerful man in the world. Glaring example of what happens daily in workplaces around the world. We don’t always like the targets of the abuse . . (I know I haven’t). . but they are still targets. Yeah. I’ll give her agency points if they meet in a bar. But in the oval office? That’s the #MeToo piece. The boss got away with it. Again. No consequences. It was that way in my job in 1973. It was that way in the 90s. And it was that way when I retired in 2015. Cheater husband is another issue. And appropriate for this forum. But Monica def has a relevant voice in the MeToo movement.

Calmafterstorm
Calmafterstorm
5 years ago
Reply to  betterlatethan

I see where you are going.

But this isn’t a case of an intern minding her own business, doing her job and getting unwanted and creepy as hell attention from the President of the US. This was an intern who knowingly and with forethought made herself known to the President of the US by flashing her ass at him in the hopes of beginning an affair with him and benefitting from that affair financially and careerwise going forward.

She used BC’s dick like a LinkedIn for dummies.

Is he at fault – hell yes! Should he have shut her down and got another assignment? Hell yes. Instead, he chose young, easy pussy and she chose to ride his dick to bigger and better things. Quid Pro Quo.

I find it insulting to women of all ages who are sexually harassed in the workplace. Or in the world – cops saying that they won’t take women to jail if the blow them. Professors giving out easy A’s to women they know are desperate. That is criminal and despicable.

Two narcissistic people using each other? That’s a whole nother thing.

Langele
Langele
5 years ago
Reply to  Calmafterstorm

Was it that? How experienced were you at 21, 22?
Narcissists have fooled many many people over the years.
Love bombing is powerful technique to prey on naïve people.
Certainly, no one knows what was in her mind at the time being worked by one of the most powerful and notorious womanizers of our time.
I think it’s at the very least narrowminded to condemn someone for things that happened in their misguided youth.
The idea that Hillary was chumped is ludicrous. She knew exactly what her husband was.

Tempest
Tempest
5 years ago
Reply to  betterlatethan

She initiated the invitation to the oval office by flashing her thong at BC, a known philanderer. And she has NO responsibility for the affair? As a feminist, I find it troubling that women’s behavior is never held to scrutiny because…woman.

At 22, I was troubled, too, and I didn’t fuck married men.

Just me
Just me
5 years ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

I guess I’m older than most here. At the time the Lewinsky affair was outed several people came forward to say Monica had told them she was going to DC to “earn her presidential knee pads.” She was no ingenue. Her affair was a game she set out to win… like most OW.

betterlatethan
betterlatethan
5 years ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

I know. You are viewing her as OW. Legit. Married man. Family. I am viewing her as subordinate employee, who has a voice in MeToo. And I do separate the two. Subordinate female employees who have affairs with the boss are always A-OK with the power imbalance. Because they are special. Until they aren’t. They never get sympathy from co-workers. And they do get punished disproportionately. Even if they are slutty train-wreck subordinate employees, that’s not ok.

For me, it’s just an added bonus that Monica is a flaming narc who tweets her indignation and reminds us that Bill Clinton escaped with no consequences. Never change, Monica. Stay healthy. Until he draws his last breath.

Tempest
Tempest
5 years ago
Reply to  betterlatethan

You can’t seek out a man sexually (as Monica) did BECAUSE of his power, and then complain that he used that power against you.

To do so nullifies the legitimate claims of BClinton’s many victims to whom he made unwanted advances.

The power differential is a problem when the More-Powerful person uses it to coerce an underling into doing something they would have preferred not to do. This was not the case–not with Lewinsky, not with my X’s gradwhore (who admitted to a sexual harassment officer that their relationship was consensual).

To infant-ize all women and say we are unable to resist the advances of men is a slap in the face to interns and graduate students who say, No.

Datdamwuf
Datdamwuf
5 years ago
Reply to  Tempest

Is everyone forgetting how this came to light? Linda Tripp ring a bell? Monica wanted a particular job at the UN that Bill was helping her with, she was getting quid pro. Mistake was that Monica confided in Tripp who leaked the sex to a reporter. In my view Tripp was the worst of the group, but at least she had the sense to fade away.

I do see the power differential and the charm, I used think Bill was amazing, I can see getting carried away, except even at 22 I would never fuck a married man. Ethics exist long before you reach middle age. Bill didn’t have them, what he did was wrong. Monica didn’t either, also wrong. I can’t treat 22 year olds like children, naw.

cuz chump
cuz chump
5 years ago

I do not have any symponthy for Monica. She knew exactly what she was doing. She willing got involved with a married man. Did not give a crap about his wife or child. Women who knowingly cheat with married men make me ill. As for Clinton he too knew what he was doing. But it seemed a lot of people made excuses for his disgusting behavior.

TRUTHintheDetails
TRUTHintheDetails
5 years ago

I recently attended a large II Security conference. One that was under fire in the media/industry for its tlack of female speakers. I was apalled that Monica Lewinsky was one of the only women speaking and as a keynote! Was her topic anything IT related? Not really – it was “the price of shame” and it proceeded to address cyber bullying. She opened withnthe line “have you ever made a mistake?” What The what?? Indeed she is nothing but an attention whore, and should’ve just slunk away and started a normal life outside of the spotlight if she is to be believed that she is remorseful. Probably should also have changed her name.

Chumpinrecovery
Chumpinrecovery
5 years ago

She could spend the weekend getting her name changed and avoiding the media. Then maybe she could go live a quite life doing a useful job. She could probably get and keep a job if she stopped drawing attention to herself and her affair. If she wants to be accepted she needs to make people forget who she is rather than flaunting it.

Cancer Chump
Cancer Chump
5 years ago

Slightly off topic, but still dealing with the OW and their consequences. Is anyone watching The Handmaids Tale? Has anyone seen the latest episode? I rather enjoyed the series up until this last episode that made me look at two characters in completely different eyes. It hit a raw chump nerve.

newchumpatl
newchumpatl
5 years ago
Reply to  Cancer Chump

YES. It was hard because of course you feel for Offred but she also did a terrible thing. A very terrible thing. Not that people deserve that level of punishment, but it really dealt with it. She was reeling from the consequences of her actions. It’s a brilliant show.

insistonhonesty
insistonhonesty
5 years ago
Reply to  newchumpatl

They didn’t really complete it… it’ll come up again. I think it’s a planted seed for growth later on… to explain why – regardless of June and Luke being married – they weren’t allowed to be one of those drab/gray-dressed, civilian-worker families. That’s why they threw in the father/husband being hung, I think. They were married, yes, which would have made them one of the “proper” households… but they were bi-racial so they would have been relegated to being regulars, like the family that unwillingly hosted her. In *that* family, even though the wife was fertile, she wasn’t taken to be a Handmaid… as a reward for them having a proper marriage. June and Luke’s wasn’t proper, from the start… they were technically adulterers.

newchumpatl
newchumpatl
5 years ago

Yes, this was all in the book.. because Luke had been married before, their marriage wasn’t legitimate under the new regime, and their child was not legitimate.

insistonhonesty
insistonhonesty
5 years ago
Reply to  Cancer Chump

The smugness, holding her and Luke’s baby, as the wife. Ugh. Knowing that this was right around when it was getting known to be difficult to conceive and carry a child…

And before that, when she seems to have remorse on the surface when coming home to Luke yelling at his ex on her VM? All tears for herself. “I haz guilt. I noez not where it cums!” Basically.

Then again, I have a little sliver of okay-ness for her… because they don’t say she was an other woman, only that they were together before Luke and his wife were legally separated. *Maybe* they had actually separated long before but not made it legal. *Maybe* Luke was honest that they were done and the wife kept going after him… but probably not. I never liked Luke. He has always seemed weak and wishy-washy.

Cancer Chump
Cancer Chump
5 years ago

I agree with you on Luke. There was always something about him I didn’t like.

When she told the wife “You were separated for three months.” Sounded just like my exes OW. We were separated for 4. That made it ok with the OW. Never mind that he refused to have any conversation with me on the topic. Man, that really hit me at my core. And the baby too. The OW got pregnant within a month of dating. The whole storyline gutted me.

ironhardempress
ironhardempress
5 years ago
Reply to  Cancer Chump

the book is one of my favourites. If you haven’t read it, check it out.

ironhardempress
ironhardempress
5 years ago

i have something to say about Bill Clinton. Like was said before, he’s a well-known horndog serial cheater and this I know because I lived in Hope, Arkansas in the mid 80s when ol Bill was governor. He only lived in Hope as a kid (moved to Hot Springs) but retained ties and some family in Hope. He used to come to town to visit them, but it was known around town that he also came to fuck the wife of a local business man. This was the gossip at the time. Idk how Hillary put up with that for so many years. They must have had some sort of “arrangement”. She’s an intelligent woman and I very much liked her autobiography (in which she wrote about Monicagate).

moominmamma
moominmamma
5 years ago

Bill Clinton had no actual power over her- she was an intern, not a staff member, I think she was unpaid ( correct me if I am wrong)and if she had been let go all she had to do was a find a sympathetic Republican employer. In fact she wanted more than she got- she fumed to a friend that Clinton was trying to sideline her, and the friend blabbed.She was a political groupie, not an oppressed or manipulated employee.

betterlatethan
betterlatethan
5 years ago
Reply to  moominmamma

Bill Clinton was President of the United States. Of course he had power over her. He had power over me. And I lived 5 hours away and never met him.

Hopeful
Hopeful
5 years ago
Reply to  betterlatethan

You are absolutely right, of course, that as President he wielded immense power to ruin her life had she rebuffed his advances. And unfortunately, there are numerous women who have experienced this firsthand from him. His disgusting and disordered character didn’t stop at simply breaking his marital vows; he took amorality far, far beyond ‘mere’ infidelity.

So let’s say for the sake of argument that he propositioned her first. Then I would concede the potential for ambiguity about whether or not she was victomized in beginning an affair. However, she was by all historical accounts the initiator of the affair. She has always maintained it was consensual, and has been very vocal to publicly defend her role as an active and willing participant in what she calls their “relationship.” She even admitted that she was first worried for her mother, then for HIM, then for herself when their affair was exposed. Unless there’s some Stockholm syndrome involved – and as the initiator that seems incongruous – her very own words belie her newfound claim in the #MeToo movement.

And it isn’t right that he’s lauded for his achievements and parades around without the scarlet “A” that her lack of remorse will ensure she always wears. It isn’t right that Cosby and Lauer and Weinstein and all the others are rightfully vilified but Clinton gets a pass because he was our president. There is a not-subtle amount of shaming that she deservedly receives but from which he is somehow exempt.

THAT is the true power imbalance.

thrive
thrive
5 years ago
Reply to  Hopeful

I don’t think he has gotten a pass. it remains he is a very powerful man and will always be but he has been beat up for this also -deservedly so. he did get impeached by the house. and this gets brought up all the time.

Datdamwuf
Datdamwuf
5 years ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

Hate to tell you but Lauer is already working his career rebuild and it’s likely to be successful. The true power imbalance regards consequences is between men and women, that is the crux of #MeToo, to fix that.

Rumblekitty
Rumblekitty
5 years ago
Reply to  betterlatethan

For all we know, that’s her kink. She likes to be the OW to powerful, older men. Just like when she was fucking her teacher at Beverly Hills high school.

Hopeful
Hopeful
5 years ago
Reply to  Rumblekitty

I don’t think it’s right to claim she had agency as a high school student. She may have been all sorts of crazy at that age, but the actions of a child are a reflection of their biology, their parenting (!), and their environment. None of those factors are within a child’s control, hence they do not have agency.

As a high school student she was abused by her teacher. As a 22 year old woman, she was willing to be the whore in an extramarital affair.

Rumblekitty
Rumblekitty
5 years ago
Reply to  Hopeful

She wasn’t abused by her teacher. Look it up. That affair lasted years. After she moved to Washington, she would even call him and tell him she was blowing a “High-ranking government official.” So no.

Free Vix
Free Vix
5 years ago
Reply to  Rumblekitty

A teacher having sex with a minor student IS abuse. Even if the student is willing. Period. And the lasting effects of that abuse may have been part of the impetus for her to make terrible choices as an adult, like blowing the president. Therapy would have been a better choice, obviously, but there could have been a causal relationship between the two events rather than a behavioral pattern. Still, she’s an adult now with ample access to therapy, so she needs to STFU.

cheaterssuck
cheaterssuck
5 years ago

Tyrannical one sided point of view? Hyperbole much? Of course I’m ‘much more longer’in the tooth so what would I know? Yikes!

Go on and keep making fun of the physics appearance of someone’s daughter though. That makes you a much bigger person who is probably very well suited for the lunatic bully in North Korea.

In the words of the much wiser Bugs Bumny: “What a maroon!” Oops my much longer in the tooth is showing again.

Lulu
Lulu
5 years ago

Yes, Monica Lewinsky was an adult with agency, but you cannot deny the extreme power disparity between the President of the USA and an intern! And yet Bill Clinton is still being celebrated and fawned over while by the media and the elite, even in the age of #MeToo.

Datdamwuf
Datdamwuf
5 years ago
Reply to  Lulu

There is not doubt there was a disparity, the true issue that #MeToo is attempting to address is equality. Don’t loose sight of that.

dorothy rose
dorothy rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

Agreed!

Ldodd60
Ldodd60
5 years ago

I said this then and I will say this now, at any age, having any sort of sexual contact with a married man is wrong. I throw up in my mouth every time someone tries to justify these ’relationships’ with a 20+ year difference. I also have zero tolerance for star fuckers who cry foul years later. Honey, you went on a date with that adorable Jake Tapper yet you continued to lust after Bill Clinton.

Betrayed and Confused
Betrayed and Confused
5 years ago

My x wife had her affair in 2016. I would opine to her the maybe Hillary was ok with Bills affair because she saw their relationship on a higher level, one in which she was more valuable to him than just sex and she was ok with it because she knows she means more to him. After D Day, at the end of November, I felt so stupid. There I was making apologies for Bill and Hillary and she was doing it to me. I really like Bill and voted for Hillary but neither one is really worthy to hold public office. Competent yes, accomplished yes, deserving no. Hillary put up with Bill
Because without him she would have just been some lawyers somewhere, successful but unknown. Without her, Bill would have been divorced and remarried a few times, prob still governor of a Arkansas. Lol

ChumpNoMo
ChumpNoMo
5 years ago

Interesting things to think about. I think there is a blurred line here, and the facts (which I’m admittedly fuzzy on 20 years later). Do I think Bill used his position of power to prey upon an intern for his sexual gratification? Absolutely. So I do think Monica was victim of power imbalance. BUT-and a really big but—it’s not clear to me where there was quid pro quo or harassment that is the essence of MeToo. Monica sought out the feeling of being in the proximity of power, it’s what made her all tingly. From what I understand what she gained in the White House was based on Bill gifting her because she was a side piece, and not that he was “blow me if you want to go to this event” etc. Bill was a womanizer and harasser in my opinion, but that doesn’t mean he couldn’t have a consensual relationship with someone who is also of poor character.

She was bright enough to land a White House internship. We aren’t talking about a 22 year old who was an idiot. If anything, she was far from it. As a 22year old, sure, she may have been more easily susceptible to the draw if power in thinking “OMG, um so special because the president wants to bang me!” and actually thinking she was special and not appreciating what it means to play a role in damaging a marriag. However, she was astute and intelligent enough to land a White House internship…she certainly had the ability and wherewithal to choose not to have sex with a married man that was also the president. So her victim hood and trying to NOW jump on the MeToo bandwagon is just another slip of the narc mask. And to not have apologized to Hillary or Chelsea for her role makes her completely unsympathetic in my eyes.

Datdamwuf
Datdamwuf
5 years ago
Reply to  ChumpNoMo

Bill was getting her a job she wanted, look it up.

ICanSeeTheMehComing!
ICanSeeTheMehComing!
5 years ago

Her missed opportunity was going into the handbag business… she should’ve gone into the designer knee pad business.

#remembertowipeyourmouth

hollowbunny
hollowbunny
5 years ago

With matching bibs.

No Shit Cupcakes
No Shit Cupcakes
5 years ago
Reply to  hollowbunny

Or safety glasses.

Foolmeonce...
Foolmeonce...
5 years ago

I disagree with a lot of what you wrote. I think CL basically comes from a place where one cannot defend a Cheater and she makes fun of people who try. It doesn’t matter how young you were when you made a CHOICE to do something horribly wrong. Monica wanting people to feel sorry for her is annoying to a lot of chumps for good reason. Have you been following this blog for awhile!?! most of us don’t feel bullied (unless they are a cheater or support that behavior perhaps) most get a good laugh and feel supported and empowered.

newchumpatl
newchumpatl
5 years ago

The most appalling thing ever is that Jake Tapper suggested the “Clintons” assuming both, maybe even Chelsea, owe poor Monica an apology. So Hillary Clinton owes the woman who fucked her husband an apology? I like Jake, but seriously fuck off with that hot take. As I recall Bill Clinton did apologize, and he is a horn dog, and he and Monica are the only ones responsible for their shitty behavior. The idea that the scorned wife would need to apologize to that slut… unbelievable. Her 15 minutes were up 15 minutes ago.

jcja
jcja
5 years ago

I don’t feel sorry for any of them. Clinton is a pos, so is Hilary, and so is Monica.

And I don’t think Hilary gives a shit, she’s the sort of cunt who’ll put up with any crap, so long as she has power and a lush life. They *all* disgust me.

Blindside
Blindside
5 years ago

Many (if not most) politicians have a way, way, way too high of an opinion of themselves and a vast, vast, vast sense of entitlement. This goes on from local politicos all the way up to nationally elected ones.

This also goes for a lot of the people (including staffers and interns) who try and hang out in their orbit. They’re there for one reason – to get ahead. And again, I’ve seen this go on at the local level and all the way to the national level. I had a girlfriend in college that interned in DC for a summer, and after we broke up a couple of years later, I heard all about her sleeping with this guy and that guy trying to get a job. When she came back, she didn’t have a whole lot to say about her trip (now I know why).

These days, I hear about this crap going on around my (relatively) small town as well. Local married mayor sleeps with married staffer. This guy’s sleeping with this girl, and this girl’s sleeping with this guy. Whatever.

It’s just something about power. The narcissism and entitlement of the people that have it – and the attraction to that power by others who are willing to do whatever it takes (including sleeping with whoever) to try and be a part of it.

Sunflower36
Sunflower36
5 years ago
Reply to  Blindside

#groupies

Nothing more.

Free Vix
Free Vix
5 years ago

#PoorMeToo

Mehphista
Mehphista
5 years ago
Reply to  Free Vix

Booyah

newchumpatl
newchumpatl
5 years ago

And another thing, I made a lot of dumb decisions at 22- but I wouldn’t have slept with a married man, even the president. I had plenty proposition me, in my 20s, 30s, even now, but it’s something called “SELF RESPECT”. A 22 year old has agency. I was engaged at 22 and working a full time job. She wasn’t a child, and she did it willingly. Consequences suck. But we are all accountable for our actions. She could have gone on and done something useful, and stopped whining but as others point out, she’s used this to build her stupid profile for 20 years. I have ZERO sympathy.

Sunflower36
Sunflower36
5 years ago
Reply to  newchumpatl

Married and two kids by the time I was 21…

Starbucks4Ever
Starbucks4Ever
5 years ago

Her ‘cake’ is fame, it would seen. Agree with all above – what has she done with her life? She seems to be content to live on the fringe, perfect life for a professional OW. All I can say is please don’t breed. No kid needs a mother like that.

Mitz
Mitz
5 years ago

Maybe Monica could spend the weekend as a volunteer to help women who are trapped in the sex trade. Those who have no choice in who they have sex with, because they were sold into it by their parents, or kidnapped, or tricked by opportunists. So much evil in this world seems to be associated with sex.

newdaydawning
newdaydawning
5 years ago
Reply to  Mitz

LOVE THIS!!!

Morri
Morri
5 years ago

My only beef with the whole thing was how (once again) the guy got to go on being cool and awesome while nearly all the blame was heaped on the woman for being a hussy. It took both of them to do this.

Chumpinrecovery
Chumpinrecovery
5 years ago
Reply to  Morri

I agree. You would think that with the #metoo movement Bill would finally get his comeuppance like so many others. Nope. He’s getting invited to parties instead.

Monica is not a sympathetic character. She is a pathetic loser and a good example of why fucking other people’s husbands is a really bad idea, but she is small potatoes and ultimately not important in the context of the vast array of Bill’s dalliances both consensual and not.

Ditto for Trump. No consequences for the rich and powerful.

Sunflower36
Sunflower36
5 years ago

Juanita Broadrick, Kathleen Willy, even Paula Jones….

Just a few others to rally for…

betterlatethan
betterlatethan
5 years ago

Agree.

SuperDuperChump
SuperDuperChump
5 years ago

I just want to meet, shake the hand, and tell the guy who married Amy Carter:

“Thanks for taking one for the team.”

Sucker Punched by a Saffa
Sucker Punched by a Saffa
5 years ago

WTF SuperDuperChump ? Non sequitur.

Attempt at making fun of her looks ? If so-just mean and childish.

SuperDuperChump
SuperDuperChump
5 years ago

WTF????????????

When did I say anything about her looks?

Soldiering On
Soldiering On
5 years ago

That was cruel and uncalled for. Amy Carter is not the topic of this thread.

SuperDuperChump
SuperDuperChump
5 years ago
Reply to  Soldiering On

Neither is Kato Kaelin nor any of those other names listed.

SuperDuperChump
SuperDuperChump
5 years ago

Amy and I are the same age. We were both in the 3rd grade when she moved into the White House.

She had a cat. I don’t like cats.

champchump
champchump
5 years ago

I don’t get it. What’s wrong with Amy Carter, and why would marrying her be “taking one for the team?” What team?

Rumblekitty
Rumblekitty
5 years ago

Amy Carter? Going back in the archive of insults are we?

newdaydawning
newdaydawning
5 years ago

Clinton was not Monica’s first married man rodeo. I find her disrespectful to real victims. The Clinton’s marriage is a real trigger for me as my son compared me to Hillary and found me lacking. Cuz “Hillary didn’t cut and run” like I did, Hillary understood that “Bill’s just a good ole boy and that’s what they do”. Apparently I’m not as strong nor as evolved as Hillary and apparently my son can excuse anything his dad does.

Sunflower36
Sunflower36
5 years ago
Reply to  newdaydawning

Yeah. That’s rough. Your son needs a “come to Jesus” moment on this.

I hope he has it soon.

thrive
thrive
5 years ago
Reply to  newdaydawning

it looks like Hillary was willing to stay for a political career. if I had that option and could live a separate life I mat have done what she did. this while thing is so hard on children. loyalty pulled and lies sway. until my sons really got that their dad was cheating and the extent of his lies, they played Switzerland. give it time and let the asshole bury himself. I’m just trying to be the best parent I can be. hugs.

newdaydawning
newdaydawning
5 years ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

Thank you both for that, his comment cut to my core when I realized how little respect he had for me. He wanted to keep our family intact and it was all on me to do so.

Granny K
Granny K
5 years ago
Reply to  newdaydawning

This comment says a lot about your son’s view of his dad, but also about your son’s view of women. Long hard road for him when he realizes that when he acts like a ‘good ol’ boy’, his girlfriend will be less than tolerant of that behavior and leaves him.

Datdamwuf
Datdamwuf
5 years ago
Reply to  Granny K

Sort of crystallizes how boys/men view girls/women in our society. That needs to change, that is also the point of #MeToo. I’m sorry your son did that, Jedi Hugs!

Zell
Zell
5 years ago
Reply to  newdaydawning

Your son isn’t right for saying that. You need to simply tell him if he ever says that again: “I am a human being and I have right to not be abused by your father. And as my son you should not want your mom to be abused, because that is what cheating is”

Mehphista
Mehphista
5 years ago

Outlet shoplifting in Reading, PA.

Zell
Zell
5 years ago

I’ve often wondered what is in Hillary’s mind. I had sympathy for her when she was cheated upon and even more so now that I have been cheated upon. Does she stay with Bill because of personal ambition or is she merely a chump in never ending pick me dancing? No matter one’s politics you must admit that she is a strong woman, but Bill is a narc and seems to mesmerize her.

As for Monica- she was an AP- cheating in the Oval Office- in the same building that has the living quarters of the first family. Chelsea was just a kid- was she home at the time? Hillary? Cheating with a married person inside the family’s home- hard to ever respect someone as cold hearted as that even if she had gone on to perpetually feed the homeless or clothe the needy. I’m kind of glad that she never transitioned to a “normal life” of being an engineer or a dentist. Perpetual punishment of being infamous should be the punishment of all cheaters.

Datdamwuf
Datdamwuf
5 years ago
Reply to  Zell

This comment needs to be removed, it is vile.

Rumblekitty
Rumblekitty
5 years ago
Reply to  Datdamwuf

Yeah. They’ll knock it out later. It’s the weekend. 🙂

Springfield 528
Springfield 528
5 years ago
Reply to  Zell

jcja–I don’t know where you live but in America, all are presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty and our legal system requires attorneys to defend the accused. It is how the system works. I am an attorney and while I am not a criminal attorney, I have represented many defendants accused of vicious things. You don’t get to judge me as a person for who I have represented as an attorney. Exactly how do you think a legal system would work without the presumption of innocence and a vigorous defense? You seem to think Sec. of State CLinton “shouldn’t” have defended someone “you” think was guilty. This is not how it works. I hate to see Hillary Clinton smeared because she was married to a cheater. Do all of us here deserve that? I will not be judged by my husband’s behavior and it is the worst kind of sexism to judge the wife of a cheater with his sins.

Rumblekitty
Rumblekitty
5 years ago
Reply to  Zell

Wow. You’re not even American and you’re this riled up? I call troll. Now fuck off.

Soldiering On
Soldiering On
5 years ago
Reply to  Zell

Stop sliming HRC; the lying, cheating, corrupt a&& now in office should be driven out at the point of a bayonet.

newchumpatl
newchumpatl
5 years ago
Reply to  Zell

I’ve pondered HRC a lot, and none of us will ever know.. but my guess is she took stock and it was worth more to stay with him… for whatever reason. She did want to be POTUS.. maybe she thought being divorced would be disqualifying for a woman (probably would be). The thing is she was damned either way. His behavior sunk her ambitions. It sucks. Maybe she loved him. Who knows.

Hope49
Hope49
5 years ago
Reply to  newchumpatl

newchumpatl, we will never know what HRC could have achieved. Personally, I think she should have divorced Bill as soon as they were out of the Whitehouse and then run for her NY Senate seat. I think if she had done that, a lot more people on the fence would have admired her for dumping Bill. She should have presented herself as a hard working chump and NOT have just stood by him. Nope.

Chumpinrecovery
Chumpinrecovery
5 years ago
Reply to  Zell

I don’t want to get political or give a hard time to a chump. Hilary’s reasons for sticking with Bill are her own, but I seriously doubt she was still in love with him. By the time Monica came around he was already a well know philanderer. At the time I had the impression (although I could be wrong) that she was more upset with him being stupid enough to get blow jobs from an intern and getting caught than for cheating on her. She was probably numb to the pain of being cheated on by then. I know how easy it is to be duped by someone you love and trust, but even the chumpiest of us would have been aware of a cheating problem that vast by that time. She felt that she had more to gain than not by staying married to him. That was her choice to make.

insistonhonesty
insistonhonesty
5 years ago
Reply to  Zell

I always wondered about the logistics of the actual blow job.

Bill just pulled away and squirt-grunted that mess all over her dress? And she got up and walked out and commuted home… with cum on her dark dress? At best, it looks like a giant, snotty booger. Ew. Also, what a shit for cumming on her dress. There’s a real sign of utter disrespect. He could have dropped it on the carpet or into a trash bin or tissue or paper or ANYTHING besides her damn dress.

Chumpinrecovery
Chumpinrecovery
5 years ago

She probably dropped it or spit it out because she didn’t want to swallow and the dress paid the price.

insistonhonesty
insistonhonesty
5 years ago

And then she SAVED it.

This is not a stupid, insecure, ignorant 22 year-old girl… this is a woman who had a plan. She was going to work that shit to her favor.

Whatever, Monica.

champchump
champchump
5 years ago