Tell Me How Infidelity Is Abuse
The Friday Challenge is to tell me in your own words how infidelity is abuse. What’s your elevator pitch to the unconvinced?
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In a recent column, I mentioned how Chump Nation was dissed on NPR for promoting the idea that infidelity is abuse. Several of you wrote letters, and one member of our community sent me hers. I thought it was so succinct and well argued that I’d share it here. And make a Friday Challenge out of it.
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Dear NPR,
I’m concerned about this episode of It’s Been a Minute, because the host and guests fail to recognize that failing to openly disclose one’s involvement with other sex and physical intimacy partners is actually a root contributor to a public health crisis.
Cheating and polyamory are not the same thing. Cheating is, by definition, deceptive. It removes an intimate partner’s right to consent. This is a public health issue because there are so many illnesses an unwitting partner can be exposed to that can harm, maim, and even kill.
Potential COVID exposure is bad enough, as it can obviously endanger a person for life or end their life. But many STIs can do so as well, and only some are truly treatable. Take HPV, a major causative concern for cervical cancer, often nicknamed “the silent killer”. Or HIV or syphilis, which a person may mistake for other, milder viruses. These are just a few examples of STIs that, if a person isn’t engaged in prevention and monitoring, can shorten and even destroy lives.
Describing cheating as sexual deception abuse isn’t some kind of unsophisticated pearl clutching. It IS abuse, just like putting a drug in a person’s drink or exposing them to a known allergen. To characterize it as some sort of mere moral difference of opinion is a risk to public health.
If Ms. Luse and her guests want to talk about polyamory, they can be clear about that. Consenting adults are consenting adults. But to deprive another person of sexual consent and suggest that is less than abusive is both absurd and dangerous. If you think otherwise, I suggest you visit a few teenage end-stage cervical cancer patients and see if you walk out with the same opinion you had when you walked in there.
Frankly, I expect better from the same media outlet that gives us Mr. Rogers and Sesame Street. But even if that isn’t persuasive enough, at least consider basic science.
Instead of invalidating the people you call “Chump Nation” for naming their abuse as what it is, maybe consider apologizing to them for minimizing their abuse and holding their abusers up as victims of unfair labels. Depriving another person of sexual consent has a name that is much more severe than abuse. The least NPR can do is refrain from invalidating those who have been victims of it and whose lives are, or may be, at risk as a result.
— A Member of Chump Nation
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Do you think cheating is abusive?
What’s been your experience and why does a partner’s double life mean more than just hurt feelings?
TGIF!


The first time you meet a new primary care provider, having to explain that your wife of 24 years is cheating and you think you have an STI, then breaking down in tears, then having the embarrassment of having to show your penis to a stranger to have an STI panel done.
Going to the Credit Union to close your joint checking and saving accounts to realize you are negative $400 overdrawn because your wife gave her boyfriend your money
Having the Credit Union branch manager tell you that you needed to sign a POA because your soon to be ex-wife refinanced your vehicle out of your name but wouldn’t say who co-signed the loan because “you are abusive, and might use it against your ex.”
If it’s any comfort to you, doctors have seen it all and then some. When I went for testing the doctor asked what the deal was, and I told her “My husband has been having an affair so I want to be tested just in case, although he tells me not to worry, his mistress is ‘very clean’.” She looked up from “the area” and replied “That’s what they all say.” She had seen it, heard it countless times.
Oh yes! I forgot to mention going for the checkup. I was already in the stirrups with my legs spread when the doctor asked me why I wanted to be tested. I steeled myself to tell him in a matter of fact way, but it doesn’t get any more humiliating than that.
So sorry you had that humiliating experience too. It really sucks.
Even worse, she had the gall to accuse YOU of abuse!
I’m so sorry, ffghtr. The only comfort I can offer is that one day you too will reach the point of being able to disengage from the visceral pain you so clearly express. It takes lots of time and reading here about the commonality of these cheaters’ actions to be able to hear something like your story and simply nod my head, thinking “check, yes, typical, poor guy, I’m so sorry he’s going through that, but he too will one day be able to put it behind him.” The pain never goes away, but I promise that one day it won’t be all-consuming but will diminish.
My post-discovery visit to my doctor revealed that he, too, had recently been chumped. There we were, both of us emaciated zombies oozing pain. He took one look at me and prescribed a few pills to help my clenched, spasming muscles to relax. I took them for only a few days, but just knowing that they were available helped me immensely.
My next visit was to the investment advisor to split our finances before my ex could dissipate any more of our joint funds. His assistant was especially helpful and sympathetic (she too had been chumped), so while I was still reeling and blubbering, they took steps to protect me financially.
Kudos to those members of CN who wrote to NPR, especially the very literate member who penned the excellent letter reproduced in today’s column.
Oh year, forgot about having that full STD panel testing, in my early 60s. While disassociated in shock, crying & rambling to the NP.
The first PA who I saw (Air Force medical clinic) gave me anti anxiety meds. They just didn’t want to hear it.
Until you’ve experienced it, there is almost no way to explain it. Being a chump is like taking a pill to escape The Matrix and you finally see all the ugly out there that you were unaware of.
A year before DDay, if you had told me that I was in an abusive relationship and that he’s a FW, I would have broken off my relationship… with you. And aha! That itself is an indicator that I was in an abusive relationship. I was covering for his Cheater abuse red flags.
Here’s what makes cheating ABUSE:
(I used AI to help me with the abuse Power & Control Wheel — but the details are my own):
Power & Control Wheel — How Cheating Can Be Abuse
•Using Coercion & Threats
• I couldn’t question him on anything without being threatened or get the silent treatment
•Using Intimidation
• If I said anything he didn’t like, he would freak out and scream at me out even uses his body to corner me — he was 6’5”
• Or he’d just withdraw and go silent
•Using Emotional Abuse
• He was always lying and gaslighting. I had no idea what was real anymore
•Using Isolation
• Hiding communication with his AP coworker. He was sharing everything about me with her. They were laughing behind my back. I started feeling paranoid and confused by his behaviors
• he encouraged me to stop talking to friends and family — further isolating me. And he created lies for his own family to think I was the problem
•Minimizing, Denying, & Blaming
• being told gaslighting crap like “You’re imagining things.”
• Blaming me for his cheating and denying the cheating even happened — made me feel crazy
•Using our child
• Lying to our 9 year old son to try to make me out to be the one that “threw him out” and saying we fought all the time. He literally gaslit our son
• when FW couldn’t “control” me anymore as we separated, he immediately shifted to physical and verbal abuse of our son
•Using Male Privilege / Gender Roles
• He was having se*x outside the marriage and exposing me to STIs and who knows what else — without my awareness or consent
• he controlled s*ex in our home. He often WITHHELD sex from me. And then would wake me in the middle of the night (towards the end) and r*pe me — this was not normal in relationship. This only happened during his cheating but I didn’t know that. He felt empowered and the abuse grew from it.
• Using Economic Abuse
• He was spending our money in ways I wasn’t aware of. I trusted him as a financial professional and as my spouse and he was f***ing up all our finances and credit
• he was spending OUR money on AP
Michelleshocked. ALL of this for me. I was not being abused, I was the Savior of a mentally ill sex compulsive person who as his wife UNDERSTOOD his tendencies and never imagined he was using woman outside our marriage and using me too. I got accustomed to being physically USED and coerced. I was told ALL MEN ARE LIKE THIS.Then he used his Spiritual devotion within the lies which fooled me completely. Until it became clear it was all deception and extreme manipulation. After I locked him out and got police protection..my friends could not believe my sweet husband could be like I tried to explain. It goes beyond explanation. Amen to your story
That’s the awful part, he withheld sex from me for decades on purpose. Rejected me and I am objectively fit & attractive. Dumb bystanders probably imagine he cheated because I wasn’t “putting out”. It makes me want to scream
So sorry, Archer. That is my story as well, and mine bitterly blamed me for it even though I love sex and was desperate for intimacy. But his desire to hurt me over-rode all else.
It won’t help, Archer, but you are not alone. The ex did not have sex with me for 10 years (my age 49 to 59). I kept asking what the problem was and he would just turn his head away. I could kick myself now for having endured it, and having been understanding. He also told his family that I was the problem. And his elder brother did exactly the same to his ex wife. She and I were chumps of the highest order. The ex was keeping himself pure for his long distance exgf. The brother was seeking not to get his wife pregnant, knowing that she wanted children (she doesn’t have them). I don’t have children either. Their parents must be so proud of their horrible sons.
I could have written this almost word for word (except my ex, while still 6 inches taller than me, was only 5’7″).
I’m so sorry.
* Before DDay, I would get between 1 and 3 yeast infections a month. Since he’s gone, zero.
* He stole thousands of dollars to take his bims du jour to dinner, on shopping sprees, on weekend getaways, Broadway shows, a “pre-honeymoon” to the Poconos… I could go on. Meanwhile, I had to pay for the family Christmas dinner with spare change.
* The gaslighting when I was on to him.
And on and on.
Yes, it’s abusive.
Oh yes, forgot about the endless infections, in my case it was BV.
I appreciate and applaud the Chump who wrote NPR and I wholeheartedly support their argument. In terms of clarity, I do make one correction suggestion. They explained that syphilis might be mistaken for other viruses. Technically, syphilis is not caused by a virus, its cause is a bacteria called Treponema pallidum which is often treatable and curable with antibiotics which makes it all the more important that it not be kept a secret from sexual contacts as delay in treatment could be the difference between life and death for the unknowing partner or babies which could be at risk for the bacteria to be passed during pregnancy.
The arguments of exposure to the virus that can cause cervical cancer are well presented and so very valid.
I love to watch period dramas set in the 18th and 19th centuries, but there are often scenes where the men leave their wife or gf at home and go visit brothels. I squirm with discomfort and yell “they are all going to get syphilis!”. The entitlement shown by these men who would never tolerate their women straying yet play with the fire that is disease is truly horrifying to me.
I’m not defending this behavior, but keep in mind that the germ theory didn’t become widely known and believed until the late 19th century. Also, there was a lot of secrecy and shame about STIs because they were s*xually transmitted. And yes, lots of men brought diseases home to their wives.There were c*ndoms made out of fabric or lambskin (I think), and some men used them in the hope of preventing pregnancy and/or disease. Latex c*ndoms were invented in the 19th century, but it could be hard to get them. According to Wikipedia: “Despite social and legal opposition, at the end of the 19th century the c*ndom was the Western world’s most popular birth control method.” They became more widely available in the 20th century and were distributed by most militaries to prevent disease.
There’s a pretty interesting article on the topic of c*ndoms on Wikipedia. I’m not linking it here to keep my comment out of the sp*m filter.
Infidelity is abuse because it is the deliberate, repeated deception of an unconsenting partner. It’s not a one-time “mistake” or the inevitable result of wayward marital dynamics. It is a conscious choice to lead an ongoing double life without consent and inflict harm on another that corrodes trust, destabilizes safety, and alters the betrayed partner’s reality.
The damage is not limited to “hurt feelings.” Research shows betrayal trauma impacts the nervous system the same way other forms of abuse do: with hypervigilance, disrupted sleep, digestive problems, cardiac stress, and cognitive decline. These impacts are often severe and long-lasting. I see the physical impacts of betrayal and infidelity abuse every day as a trauma-informed physical therapist, and have experienced them myself.
Infidelity is abuse because it weaponizes intimacy. It places betrayed partners at risk for serious illness, sexually transmitted diseases, and a shattered sense of reality—all while the abuser insists on preserving their own comfort, image, and entitlement.
If NPR and others continue to frame infidelity as a mere “relationship problem,” they are complicit in minimizing abuse. Survivors deserve recognition, protection, and resources—not dismissal.
—Ann Michelle, MPT, CLT
Author, Embodied Betrayal Healing: Healing What the Body Remembers (forthcoming)
100% Ann
Well done.
I need this book right now. 🙁
Amazing, Ann! Thank you for your work!
💯 this! Thank you Ann, and I, too look forward to your book.
I look forward to your forthcoming book!
Thank you! Should be out in the next few weeks. Thank you for all you do in being the voice we all need ❤️
I just tried to pre-order your book on Amazon but it isn’t showing up. Maybe talk to your publisher?
Wow, thank you! It is in the final stages of formatting, so it’s not available for pre-order yet. I’m guessing it should be in the next couple weeks.
My story is comprised of several important experiences:
To use existential or even religious or spiritual language, this action, secret sexual betrayal, has a “destroyer” effect on the receiver/ victim. The effect is not merely mild “harm”. It destroys. It shatters. The effect on the survivor is the same (I’m willing to bet) as the effect of a survivor of the horrors of war.
I would love to see MInwalla or some other researcher do a study specifically on the clinical effects of betrayal trauma (ptsd) on victims, i.e. on the betrayed partner.
I would like to see a serious social justice campaign with the message that infidelity is literally abuse, a crime against Humanity and a violation of Human Rights.
Great post and I hear you. For 18 months after D-day I would cry every morning because I didn’t die in my sleep. I thought about suicide almost every waking moment for at least a year. Then it started to wane, thankfully. I lost a bunch of weight, had PTSD, the whole nine yards. Of course it’s abuse. Anything that does that much damage, when inflicted deliberately (they do choose to do what they know will cause harm) is abuse.
In April of 2005, Cheater said he was divorcing me because I was a terrible wife. I wept, pleaded and begged him to reconsider. In July I learned he was having an affair with a work colleague. So very much went on.
As I read your description of your first 2 years post discovery, I see myself in most of it. I remember not ever feeling normal until about 2 years later when I felt calm and normal for about 10 minutes as I walked from work to my car. I was profoundly traumatized by it and probably needed a trauma therapist but I was not ready to give up hope in my marriage so I avoided therapists (who all seemed to see “file for divorce” as the next step).
Considering my level devastation and other things life has served up to me, my happy life now feels like the biggest miracle that anyone could have asked for. Viktoria, I hope you found a happy life eventually
Many years ago, when my FW was in grad school he worked in a psychiatry research lab that studied PTSD. After D-Day last year I was reading a betrayal trauma book and it cited research done by the lab FW was in. I recognized the name of the primary investigator (PI) who heads the lab. I don’t know if he has done any research on betrayal trauma specifically but he has done a lot of research on PTSD and CPTSD and how it affects the body and brain. The research included FMRI brain scans of people who have endured PTSD effects.
I also had all these physical symptoms. I also lost 30# in 10 weeks. I could not swallow food. And, I lost the ability to read for pleasure. I’m a lawyer and reading is my thing. His abuse took that from me.
Ditto MCNN. It’s 1 month short of 5 years, and although I have improved by leaps and bounds I will never be the same person, and honestly quite a bit of that change is for the positive. I am just in the past year getting back to reading, because now I can finish a paragraph in under 20 minutes and actually retain what I read. Idk how long you are out, but it gets better.
I mean ditto bout the reading and food things – I am not a lawyer
So sorry to hear about your suffering! I also would love to see a social justice campaign that frames cheating as abuse—perhaps there would be fewer bystanders then?!
In hindsight, I would have sought treatment from a trauma specialist. My immediate and long-term symptoms were different than just depression or anxiety. The cognitive dissonance and disassociation needed to function set betrayal abuse apart.
I am a legal advocate for domestic violence victims. As such, I have seen hundreds of cases of domestic violence, orders of protection, police reports, etc. One thing I can tell you all for sure–almost every case involves infidelity. Infidelity isn’t considered a legal reason for an order of protection, but the simple fact is that a person who will cheat on a partner generally also has no conscience about threatening, defrauding, sexually abusing, or in some cases, even hitting their partner. Infidelity is a symptom of an attitude that says, “I don’t care what you want or need, or anything about your welfare. I will strip everything from you to make myself happy, and if you resist, I will punish you until I get what I want.” And that is the definition of abuse.
In my own case, my then-husband secretly went into default on the mortgage and ran up tens of thousands of dollars of debt in my name to finance his infidelity. I went through bankruptcy and foreclosure due to his cheating–all debts that were taken out without my knowledge or consent.
When I became suspicious of his behavior and began to ask questions, he convinced me that I was mentally ill and imagining things. He took me to the doctor for my “depression and paranoia”, and he got me put on medication. Fortunately, I only took it for a few days, as I had a bad reaction to it. But when I found out later that all my suspicions were correct, I asked him why he had me put on meds if he knew I was right in my suspicions. He said scornfully, “Well, obviously, I didn’t want you to find out!” So he literally medicated me for no good reason, which was incredibly dangerous and nearly hospitalized me due to reactions to the meds.
When his behavior finally was found out by our daughter, my then-husband followed her around the house, screaming at her that she was a terrible person and “a bad Christian” because she was upset about it. Then he tried to have her hospitalized because her “failure to forgive” was a sign of mental illness. (I stopped him.) This happened all within three days of her finding out. She wasn’t allowed to be sad for even three days that her dad was leaving her mom.
Anyone who says infidelity is not abuse is either hopelessly naive or just cold-hearted.
“Infidelity is a symptom of an attitude that says, “I don’t care what you want or need, or anything about your welfare. I will strip everything from you to make myself happy, and if you resist, I will punish you until I get what I want.” And that is the definition of abuse.”
Brilliant, Caroline.
My STBX is a diagnosed narcissist with antisocial features, and a sadist. If it hurt me, emotionally, sexually, financially, spiritually or in any way, he liked it. At the end he threatened my life and had morphed into a malevolent and demonic presence.
People who’ve never experienced this (I call them ‘civilians’) don’t have any inkling of what it is like to have a person like this as a spouse. It is the systematic destruction of another human being, with intent, and with glee at the destruction.
Civilians are a lot like babies toddling toward an pond filled with alligators or an open fire pit. They have no idea, no idea, no idea of the pain involved. When you talk to them it is as if you have returned from some mystical land of monsters; they can hear the words you say but they have no idea what it is to experience, no frame of reference. I won’t even talk to civilians about this any more.
I did advocacy for several years too (not legal, more practical resources) and also never met a single survivor who wasn’t cheated on. Other than one consulting psychologist, none of us were scientists and the science didn’t exist at the time to prove some of our armchair theories about the infidelity/DV thing but a lot of us surmised that the brutal enforcement of one-sided monogamy might even be the main driver of most DV, basically the name of the game.
The more I’ve sat on that idea and the more I’ve seen and read over the years, the more the theory makes perfect sense. It explains why a FW who is arguably seeking sExUaL fReEdOm then does everything in their power to destroy the sexual self esteem of their victim. It would explain why, when victims attempt to leave, the post-separation abuse tends to be epic. Also odd for someone who supposedly just wants their independence, right? But it may be a form of psychic FGM or castration to prevent victims from ever moving on and forming better future relationships.
Still, I can conceded that, just because all batterers cheat doesn’t necessarily mean all cheaters batter. But that’s another place where the science is still lacking so how would we really know? Besides, the reason coercive control has been outlawed in several countries is because it turns out that, statistically, the most skilled abusers might never have to take their hands out of their pockets in order to paralyze and devastate their prey. But, if psychological warfare fails, it appears those who engage in coercive control are statistically more likely to eventually murder their partners.
You do a good job of showing how a cheating spouse can use a betrayed spouse’s religion against them in efforts to manipulate their reactions to learning of betrayal. Some see the Christian model of marriage is that 2 people literally become a single entity in marriage and to sever it is an act against God.
The Cheater doesnt want to responsibility of having destroyed their family so they use the common abuser tactic of “the problem is not what I did, it is how you reacted to it” argument.
Chumps are often manipulated into staying (facilitating the cheater to eat cake). The betrayer is the one who severed the relationship but they often dont finish the job and end the marriage – they leave the dirty work to the betrayed spouse. Very often they actually ratchet-up abuse so that they can control the narrative of “she threw me out”. My cheater engaged is an extended effort to be so mean that I would finally break and file for divorce.
Few other relationships in life have a spiritual component as compelling as marriage – you can have a dispute with a sibling, neighbor or your boss and not be accused of offending God. In marriage, however…one’s commitment to one’s religion can be weaponized against them.
Yes, the religious messages were one of the more challenging aspects of what I went through. I felt so utterly shattered and betrayed, and then there were “Christian” people telling me that I didn’t have a right to those feelings and had to buckle up to save my marriage. That was even true years later, according to some people who shamed me for giving up and not being in contact with my ex at all.
So glad to be beyond that. I recently spoke with an elder at my new church, who asked for a few details about my situation. His response was encouraging: “How could any kind, decent human being demand that you stay in a marriage like yours?” Now that’s what I needed to hear!
“Infidelity is a symptom of an attitude that says, “I don’t care what you want or need, or anything about your welfare. I will strip everything from you to make myself happy, and if you resist, I will punish you until I get what I want.” And that is the definition of abuse.” Yes!
omg.
One of the worst things about being cheated on and lied to (for years) by the person I trusted, who vowed fidelity, is that I no longer trust anyone. I haven’t been on a date since I separated from my ex in 2018, and have no interest in a romantic relationship. If someone was nice to me, I’d immediately be suspicious of their motives. FW never did anything nice or romantic without expecting payback in the future. I don’t think I’d ever be able to relax in a relationship. I’d known FW for over 15 years, and been married for 10, before he cheated. We were good friends for three years before we even started dating. If THAT person couldn’t be trusted, if I was so deceived by someone I’d known for so long, in and out of a romantic context, how could I possibly trust someone I just met? Or have only known for 6 months or a year? I’m 45. I had to put my life back together from scratch at 38. I don’t see the point in risking my safety, my sanity, my hard earned money, my home, my child, everything, for someone who could turn out to be another sparkly turd. When I see other people’s engagement announcements my first thought is “good luck”. I notice things people put on social media that they think are sweet, and my alarm bells start sounding. And whether it’s because I have insight from experience, or because I’m now as paranoid as FW once accused me of being, I don’t know. Aside from my own reservations, it also wouldn’t be fair to put someone else through dealing with my trauma. If the person was genuine and kind, I’d probably traumatize THEM.
I’m happy single. My life is lovely. Romance is lovely in books, but I put it in the same fantasy realm as dragons and magic.
If destroying one’s belief in love isn’t abuse, I don’t know what is.
I, too, am happy single. I have fewer and fewer episodes of thinking, “It would be nice to share a meal with a kind man.” I realize now that I would not trust anyone no matter how kind. I now protect what I have and don’t want any man that could weasle in and try to take away what I have established. You put it correctly…Romance is lovely in books…but it’s rarely reality.
Same- both of mine started out as friends. So much for being safer than some random off Tinder or somewhere.
The second one took my trauma and weaponised it against me.
It definitely makes it a lot harder to trust.
The loss of my ability to place trust in anyone, to trust in my judgement, my understanding of ambiguous situations and even in my own sanity after my effwit’s revelation of over four decades of infidelity including the admission that she lied and deceived me for.most of our marriage have left me shell-shocked and deeply traumatized. Divorce was only a solution in that it removed her from.my life, the pain continued unabated. The trauma has now truly.devastated my children, one son now.knows he was conceived in an illicit affair which has destroyed much of of what his legal father was.
I hope you remain solidly no contact with the creature you call your ex wife!
Paternity fraud should be heavily persecuted by the law in demanding at least monetary restitution. It’s simply evil.
Oh, Waited, I’m so sorry. That is the one pain that female chumps don’t have to endure. I’m thankful, though, that your kids have you to rely on through this, and your non-biological son has you, his real father.
I’m so very sorry, Waited.
I think this too…if they didn’t give you a life-threatening and/or persistent STD, the most enduring thing about these experiences is what they do to your ability to trust and therefore to love someone else completely in this way. I feel like I am always walking around with a shield up, and the old part of me is sad, but a newer, more pragmatic part of me doesn’t care. I don’t trust that someone new won’t take me for a ride, even with time and careful vetting. I am not going to go through that again.
I know it will sound like I am now saying the opposite, but I have been in a romantic relationship that allows both of us our own lives but also time together. This person has shown an interest in spending time with me, care in trying his best to help with problems…the sorts of thing you would want in a romantic partner. But I am/we are leaving it there. It almost feels like looking through the glass to even try to picture myself getting onto a path to cohabitation and marriage. I watch people take this route, feeling the loss for my own inability to do this again, wishing them the best but also feeling cynical (that “good luck” thought thing really hit home…it’s slightly terrible but so true). I watch my parents in their 48-year-and-counting marriage living the life I thought I would one day be able to find for myself. Any belief that this would ever happen has been dashed. The best I can hope for is the companionship of someone with whom we love as best we can. It has meant a lot, but it’s not without its moments of doubt and panic, when I am having to figure out is it something about him or is it me. I feel like I’m in a mental-emotional hell sometimes when it happens, particularly because it ends up just being me and my hang-ups and the shit I am still working through. If we weren’t on the same level emotionally (his ex seemingly used and left him as well – superficial marriages for both of us), and moving through this with the space and understanding we’ve maintained, I don’t think it would have worked at all.
It’s a bit of a laugh to comment on this aspect of the abuse on this Friday Challenge, as I found out via daughter just yesterday that her father is engaged to be married again…third time’s the charm, I suppose. Here I am, concluding that I can never even possibly repeating what he put me through, and there he is, continuing to be the type of person to never stop and think that perhaps marriage is not for him.
My cheater ex is doing the same. He’s about to marry again, someone he started dating the minute the divorce was final (so he says) He just carries on planning what I say will be a sham wedding with a younger foreign woman – I say sham because he truly doesn’t understand what marriage and saying vows means bit just needs a new victim – while I don’t expect to ever believe in romantic love and commitment ever again.
Are you sure the new woman is a real person? I discovered my ex had found a new home for the younger foreign woman he planned to marry. It turned out to be an online romance scammer. Within the next two years, he wined and dined a succession of “life partners” and “sole mates.” When he told our tween he had found him a “new mom,” tween asked if she was real. Ex introduced them over the phone midweek, and she gushed about their new family. That Sunday she dumped him.
Ex felt very scammed by the catfish scammer, but when I saw their emails, I realized he was scamming her right back. He gave her lots of cash initially, but I doubt that would have continued, or that he would have fufilled his promises to pay for her college, buy her a business then work at HER business, and help her have/get a baby. He didn’t pay for our kid’s college, didn’t want to work, and didn’t really want the kids he already had.
One thing he told me about the catfisher was that he wanted a younger, foreign, STUPID woman, because she wouldn’t question him and his choices, and he could get his own way. Sounds like your ex wants the same.
She’s very real, unfortunately, and she and her entourage got visas to marry/witness the marriage here in the US.
But you’re spot on that he wants a younger, vulnerable, lower status wife…easier to control. Puke!
“That Sunday she dumped him.”
Thanks so much for the first belly-clutching guffaw I’ve had in a long time, GoodFriend!
And it seems these losers nearly all want someone younger and stupider, because how else can they feel good about themselves? However, in my experience, it’s only a matter of time before they begin oozing disdain for the new dumb partner.
But it’s never them- it’s those people they marry.
He’s just the poor old victim.
Yes, I’m truly A-OK being single.
I did some coffee dates when things began opening up after the pandemic, and none of them went beyond that. In nearly every case, it was the old “nurse and/or purse” situation that seemed weird for a first date. The one promising one was recently widowed (about six months) and was looking for someone just like his deceased wife. Well, I was kind, but not the right mindset. At least we didn’t discuss health issues and money.
I have friends who have happy marriages, but there’s something about marrying when you’re younger and keeping things going that I wouldn’t have in a new relationship. Several friends of mine remarried in their 50s and 60s, and the results were very mixed. Two are divorced now.
I work and do a lot of volunteer work with struggling women. I have two new book clubs this year to try, one at my new church and one at work. I’m excited about those.
Exactly! I feel the same way.
This 100%. It’s not just that I’ll never trust another man again. I’ll never trust myself to see one clearly, either.
Dragons and magic, indeed. I also stopped believing.
From my abusive parents to my loser boyfriends to my lying husband… if I somehow were able to find an honest man, I wouldn’t be able to trust him anyway, which would be cruel.
I also just don’t have one more heartbreak in me.
Great comment!
My letter to NPR emphasized the systemic bias encouraged by the writer.
We know what to call touching a child without their consent, stealing money from a business partnership or threatening a senior into signing over a home.
It’s abuse and, often, illegal.
You did an awesome job! I hope NPR gets bombarded, and it starts with you and the voices here. You are mighty!
Excellent points!
Amazing letter—thank you!
You did a great job…thanks for representing all of us.
As I read through responses, I realized that this column could be used as a great tool that can be forwarded, printed or linked to educate people in our lives as well as people in the media.
Why is consent a fuzzy mystery word with shifting meanings these days? It’s pretty simple: I didn’t consent.
I didn’t consent for him to spend our money on other people. Outside of a relationship, if someone takes your money without your consent, that’s a crime.
I didn’t consent to have sexual contact with other people through him. Outside of a relationship, if someone has sexual contact without your consent, it’s a crime.
I didn’t consent to be lied to and manipulated. Outside of a relationship, if someone is lying, cheating, and stealing from someone, that is a crime.
If you’ve never lived it, I imagine it’s easy to downplay the shock, horror, and trauma that infidelity inflicts. To not realize that people have to go get STI panels, contract cancer-causing HPV strains, get paternity tests and find out their kid isn’t theirs, lose half their life savings, lose their insurance, lose their lifestyle, lose their retirement, or have to come out of retirement to make ends meet. That the life they have been building for decades can just wash away in a moment.
I always think of that line from Dirty John: “ If Dan had defrauded a business partner the way he did me when he broke our contract, he’d be in jail.”
After d day i wrote to multiple schmoopies and my key message was “get tested for stis and i DID NOT CONSENT TO A NON-MONOAMOUS RELATIONSHIP” Thanks to this forum. The consent of consent is powerful.
Oops i actually wrote “nonMONOGSMOUS” 😂
As well stated, I see the possibility of exposure to disease without knowledge of risk (and therefore consent) as a serious breech of agreement to the point that I refer to it as”Biohazards Rape” and I said so to my Cheater (referencing the Tiger Woods Dday) which resulted in my then-spouse giving me a very strange look which I did not understand at the time – but I do now. He had – likely for years – exposed me to the possibility of disease but not considered how much of a betrayal it was. I think because his cheating never caught up with him for years and by the time he realized what a full revelation would mean, he was trapped by the secrets of the secret life he chose.
sorry…I got off topic
I seem to have never contracted any serious STIs from his betrayal and my cheater did not siphon significant money from our family but I still see adultery as abuse…
Relationships are hard as is raising children…in the best of circumstances, it takes all both people have to keep a family functioning with what they need to get by. Adultery requires an expense of effort and time which leave a gap for the needs of a spouse and children. Even just the goodwill of working through problems together is maimed when someone lies to remove themselves from their family to spent time and effort on someone else. In my case, his misuse of effort and time resulted in him being grossly cruel and manipulatively mean to the point of harsh, cruel emotional abuse.
Over and over he lied and raged to manipulate me to facilitate or cover for his betrayal. I cared deeply for the family I thought I had and lived for years trying to fix/improve whatever it was which caused him to be so mean – totally unaware that it was something I had no knowledge or control of.
Sometimes the rage and abuse came in the form of rage-driving with me and the kids in the car. He drove dangerously & eratically with us terrified into silence and often fearful that we would not get out of the car alive. He also endangered any other driver or pedestrian who was near us by happenstance. After an episode was over, he denied the severity of what he did thereby gaslighting all of us.
If he had kindness or patience within him, we needed it. It makes me sick to remember how he spoke of his OW and how tender his attitude towards her was. She likely had no idea that her fantasy came at the price of abuse inflicted on us.
When I was young, I thought that if a man were cheating, his default behavior would be kindness towards his wife to throw her off the trail of suspecting him. That false presumption influenced me for years. One evening I was watching Gilmore Girls and there was a storyline where Dean (who was newly married to Lindsey) had begun an affair with his longtime crush Rory. Lindsey was trying everything to appease him in their marriage which was floundering for reasons Lindsey did not understand. Dean was using his cell to call Rory and Lindsey picked it up to hand it to him when it was ringing and he raged at her for it. That brief vignette taught me more about the life I lived than I ever thought possible.
“Over and over he lied and raged to manipulate me to facilitate or cover for his betrayal. I cared deeply for the family I thought I had and lived for years trying to fix/improve whatever it was which caused him to be so mean – totally unaware that it was something I had no knowledge or control of.
Sometimes the rage and abuse came in the form of rage-driving with me and the kids in the car. He drove dangerously & eratically with us terrified into silence and often fearful that we would not get out of the car alive. He also endangered any other driver or pedestrian who was near us by happenstance. After an episode was over, he denied the severity of what he did thereby gaslighting all of us.
If he had kindness or patience within him, we needed it. It makes me sick to remember how he spoke of his OW and how tender his attitude towards her was. She likely had no idea that her fantasy came at the price of abuse inflicted on us.”
All of this sounds exactly like my life. I used to wonder why things that hadn’t been a problem for years were suddenly the reason for him to rage and fight so badly he’d storm out of the house. One time he screamed at me that I was so stupid for leaving my shoes on the hearth and how dare I do that and what the f was wrong with me that I would be such an idiot. Only…we all (including him) had been leaving our shoes in a row on the hearth for over 5 years. It had never been a problem before. I later connnected the dots that he just needed an excuse so he could go see his mistress, so he’d pick fights over nothing and then say “I’m not going to stick around for your pouting”. It seriously messed with my head, because I never knew what would set him off. It wasn’t consistent or logical, so there was no way to prevent his rage.
The rage driving was so bad. And if I showed even a trace of fear, he’d scream at me. There was also the fact that I was basically a captive audience in the car where he could verbally abuse me, screaming so loudly that my ears would ring. There was no way out. I seriously considered jumping out of the car at one point, and went so far as to open the door trying to shock him into seeing how much he was hurting me. He used that in court to say I was suicidal and mentally unstable. I got a reputation among our social circle of being weird and antisocial. What no one knew is that FW would verbally abuse me the entire drive to whatever event we were attending (once it was a 2 hour drive), and the minute we arrived he’d switch to being all smiles and charm. Meanwhile I’d be shaking and on the verge of tears, with no idea what to say to anyone who asked “how are you?” I certainly couldn’t say anything about what he’d done, since he was my ride home and if I emarassed him, I’d get 10 time worse than I already had.
Meanwhile he was sweet, kind, and supportive of AP. Things he ridiculed and berated me for (like being a little clumsy), he found charming in her. He called her beautiful. He called me fat. She was bigger than me (by a lot). He liked when she wore big cozy sweaters. He called me a slob when I did. Seeing how he treated her showed me that he was more than capable of being nice, he just chose not to be nice to ME. (Unfortunately, she was our coworker and our kids were friends, so I saw a lot more of her than I ever wanted to.) Eventually, I recognized his early signs of abuse of her in a way I hadn’t understood when it happened to me – that his kindness and compliments were veiled threats, and backhanded, “jokes” that were hurtful. And over the years I saw the effect it had on her as she shrank and faded. Seeing that was really eye opening (I didn’t try to warn her, I knew she’d never believe me; to this day she thinks I’m a villain even after FW abused her so badly she left him). Everything seemed less personal after that, and I recognized all of it, even the “good” parts, as manipulative. There was nothing genuine in how he treated her. It was just a way to control her. Hurting me at the same time was a bonus.
Oh wow, we really did live very similar circumstances. I believe that most of his cheating was work-related. He was always loathe to bring me to work events – as if it was danger to let me get anywhere near his coworkers. I remember one particular rage on the way to a work dinner…between the verbal rage and dangerous driving, I was so traumatized that I was nearly mute and incapable of perceiving much around me (which Im sure was his goal).
Him storming out after picking fights…he did that near home and I assume there were APs, but I wonder about when we travelled…where did he go? I dont believe he ever hired sex workers, but those moments leave me puzzled.
Your experience him raging over shoes being in their place, yes. The more I tried to predict and fix anything that might upset him, the weirder his complaints got. I got screamed at for using a laundry basket and for bleaching the kids dirty socks.
He griped wildly that we “didnt go anywhere” when life (kids, school, work – everything) was so complicated that getting everyone free to travel was really hard. I spent 2 months arranging a weekend family trip. I had handled every one of dozens of details. Me and kids were gassed up, packed up and sitting in the minivan waiting for him to get home from work. He got out of his car picking a fight like I had never seen before. I didnt jump to any of his bait. I said “I am not going to argue with you, me and the kids are leaving” he acted like a f’ing lunatic. We left but he called and asked us to return home and get him. That whole episode made no sense until I learned he was a serial cheater.
An odd thing … I normally have an excellent auditory memory…I can generally remember important things people said to me word for word like it was recorded….BUT I cannot remember specifics of what he said to me in his rages …I know they were horribly berating and always ended with “marrying you is the worst mistake of my life”. My mind seems to have put the content of his rages in the same lockbox where car accidents, labor pain and other unfathomable pain goes.
My ex would also rage when driving and tell me he couldn’t see the road. It was terrifying to me. He’d punch doors, hit is head on railings, scare the living daylights out of me and our dogs in his rages. I never found out the cause of the rages. Nor did I ever dare call the police during his rages.
That’s awful! I’m so sorry you lived with that.
I was a coworker and then good friend with my FW for 6 years before we started dating. Another 5 before we married. As someone else in here said, if you don’t know someone at that point… Before we had children, FW and I had long discussions about how I didn’t want to have them if I couldn’t be with them to raise them. I was 100% clear that I needed to be home with them or we weren’t bringing them into the world. As someone raised with a SAHM, he seemed eagerly onboard, and we worked on our finances ahead of time and set things in motion to be able to live off one salary (here’s where hindsight slaps me upside the head). I left a good career of 12 years.
14 years later, 3 Ddays, 3 STI scares (thankfully none positive, but I’ll be forever in terror of HPV/cervial cancer popping up as I age), I now have the no-win decision of putting up with him until HE decides to leave, or choosing to leave as a SAHM with no career experience in over a decade. Leaving means poverty to me, as my career was in a field that has long since moved on in a way I can’t catch up. Leaving means losing 50% of my time with these children that have been my life and my career for 14 years now to a man who does. not. parent. them. AT ALL even when we all live in the same house together. I’ve spent thousands on therapy over the last 5 years. More thousands consulting lawyers. All to conclude that I’ll be in a financial hole until I die.
Tell me how any of that is NOT abuse. Abuse of my time, my trust, my finances, my health, my life.
(PS I am working on a very long-term exit plan – I’ll get there eventually)
The 50-50 custody is often just a scare tactic by FW who don’t want to pay cs. You can absolutely get more than 50% custody
I’ve spoken to no less than 8 lawyers in the last 5 years. FW is an uninvolved, verbally abusive POS to my kids, but where I live the courts heavily favor fathers and if he asks for 50/50 he will get 50/50. In the words of one lawyer, “It’s not illegal to be an asshole as a parent.” In the words of another, he’d “have to be in jail or passed out with a needle in his arm” to get less than 50 if he wants it. He has no interest in parenting, but he has a high interest in control and punishing people that he perceives have wronged him, and in absolutely minimizing any amount he would have to pay me. If I’m lucky, he’ll get 50/50 and be happy with the financials, then just not show up. But I certainly can’t count on that.
Outrageous!🤬 The courts don’t care about kids at all.
It is abuse because it hurts people.
The best summary explanation that I’ve read!
Abuse is harming someone or holding power over someone without their consent. How does that not apply to cheating? My husband carried on multiple affairs over decades while coming home and playing “happy husband and father.” He got everything he wanted everywhere he went. He harmed me, infected me and stole my money. How is that not abusive? How is it NOT illegal? We had a contract that required signatures that was registered with the state and he broke the contract over and over, but got to walk away with proceeds earned during the contract. He did harm. This was not consensual and it is not aligned with our personal family norms. When the NPR babblers suggest that cheating is just part of the scenery of monogamy, they are giving a pass because it is easier than what should really happen: accountability in the court system, in the criminal justice system.
Realizing that the abusive behavior of infidelity didnt occur in isolation, on its own, as if the FW’s behavior towards me was otherwise acceptable. There were other lines of evidence, specifically, other abusive behaviors towards both me and animals that I didnt recognize as supporting info until waaayyy too late. An entitled and abusive FW is entitled and abusive in more ways than just infidelity, even if the recipients of that behavior are only in the home and everyone else thinks theyre wonderful.
The eventual failure of my marriage shattered me. I think one of the most painful aspects was the pressure to overlook the evil and the deep wounds caused by what happened. My former religious community and my ex’s family were entirely on board with minimizing and holding me to an impossible standard. “Forgive and forget” was not the answer.
And it was so tough to get past and humiliating even outside of those close to me. I battled an STD for two years, finally getting past that. I hated those medical appointments, even with a provider that I’ve known for years. I had been diagnosed with PTSD, which was really difficult to get through with the flashbacks often happening in my dreams and ongoing anxiety. At this point, it’s been a while since I had a flashback. The anxiety is at an all-time low. My ex actually showed up in a dream about a month ago, and I just told him to leave. He said nothing and left. So my self-confidence even shows up in my dreams. And all those appointments…I would ask, “Why is this so hard to overcome?” Of course, she answered that it was years in the making, and PTSD is very complex and involves many factors. I felt out of control at times, unsure of who I was. Well, I’m OK now, but what a hard period.
When someone says, “You could have overcome this,” related to the blow-up of my marriage, I don’t even engage anymore. It’s not worth dealing with such misinformation and “happy, shiny” thinking. I don’t live there anymore.
I went through a time where I kept getting infections. Couldn’t figure out why but I kept having to go to the doctor. Finally the doctor told me I must not know how to wipe myself after a bowel movement because there’s just no way this should keep happening. I went out to my car and sobbed. I felt so dirty and disgusting. I haven’t been to a gyno since and that was ten years ago. I feel physically ill if I even think about making an appointment. I ordered medications from a Canadian pharmacy when I needed them after that.
I changed a bunch of things. I only wore cotton underwear. I took a full shower after each bowel movement. I changed my already healthy diet to make it even more strict. I also required my husband at the time to take a full shower, brush his teeth, and wash his hands before we could be intimate. I did the same before any intimacy. It worked. The infections stopped. But my ex claimed I destroyed our sex life and blamed me for everything.
He was having sex with people who like to play with poop. He was having sex with men too so anal sex as well. There pictures of his partners were disturbing, they were very obviously dirty and unhealthy people. He seemed clean but he was not. No doctor ever suggested something like that could be causing my issues and my ex never cared that he was literally harming my health.
That’s just one of the many ways in my case it was definitely abusive.
I’m so sorry that you were so abused by your ex. I can completely understand why you’ve been avoiding going to see a gynecologist, but don’t let your abusive ex’s behaviors prevent you from seeking potentially life-saving care. You might be at heightened risk for future medical issues if your husband’s sexual behaviors led to your being infected with something like HPV.
I suggest seeking out a female gynecologist–if you can, choose one from a large medical center where they post patient ratings and comments. While not foolproof, it can help you find someone who is a kind, sympathetic human being. If you do this, mention in your first appointment why you put off seeing a gynecologist for a decade, because it will help your doctor understand the traumatic experiences you have endured.
You deserve to find peace in your life.
My God, how terrible.
Oh KP…that is just ghastly, Im so sorry. You DID NOT CONSENT to your body being penetrated by a partner who brought that degree of risk to your intimacy. It was a violation and Im glad you can get validation here about how that abuse affected your life.
Thank you Tracy & Chump Nation for speaking truth to power and calling cheating what it is: abuse. Thank you for challenging the ubiquitous and destructive lies and gaslighting about cheating that minimize and even denies its effects. This community is helping me heal and regain my life after years of covert abuse that caused me untold mental and physical harm including STIs. Although there will always be fuckwits/narcissists/sociopaths/psychopaths, in changing the cultural conversation about cheating, we can make the world a less hospital place for these predators.
It’s helped me just to know how many people had the awful experiences my mom and I had with my father. And many even worse experiences. Not that I guess I should make comparisons. Doesn’t Tracy call that the Pain Olympics?
I invested 25 years of my life between the age 23-48, had three children, bought 7 homes with my ex-husband under false pretenses: that he was also monogamous, loved me, cared for our children’s security and stability, and committed to a future with me and our children. Instead, I learned he was having affairs for decades, secretly spending time and marital assets on other women, maligning me to them and lying about our marriage (we had frequent sex and he led me to believe he was very happy with me( and told these women we were divorcing and no longer sleeping together (all lies), he made secret future plans with the affair partners to leave me and buy a home with them. He opened secret bank accounts- diverted funds to it while lying to me and getting me to put all my earnings into our joint accounts and pay for our family expenses. Then, when our kids caught him red-handed on Christmas he blamed me and the kids— told us we had “made” him miserable for “10 years!” Our youngest was 10🤬! Said he hated every minute of being a husband and father. He left. Kids were so devastated they became suicidal- one almost succeeded. It destroyed their stability- they dropped out of college and high school. Our youngest developed panic attacks and had to have years of trauma therapy. X attacked me physically in a rage and nearly broke my arm. He stalked me. He tried to scare me into not filing for divorce and to prevent division of our assets. He gave me an STI and I had to endure pain, treatments, humiliation. I spent thousands on medical care and therapy. I lost $2M+ in equity when I had to sell our family home…. Abusive as fuck.
i am so sorry for what you and your children have been subjected to and send you love and healing and all good things. Please consider writing those dimwits at npr and sharing your story!
100% this. I really hope you send this to NPR as a letter or leave as a comment somewhere public for that ghastly piece. THIS is what serial cheating looks like in reality.
Succinct? Moi? On a Friday morning where I woke up and chose violence? I think not! Coffee up, Chumpnation. It’s about to go down.
So looking at the dictionary definition of abuse (as being cheated on has forced me to re-evaluate A LOT of what I have learned over the years and hence double check my understanding), I am seeing the obsolete definition being “deception”(seems pretty modern to me, but let’s keep going.) “bad or improper treatment”, “wrong or improper use”, and “harshly or coarsely insulting language.”
I am only seeing the implied use of maleficence here. More on that below!
At its core, infidelity is a deceptive act that ignores if not nullifies the notion of consent. While the active intent may not be to cause direct harm to the victim(s) it still does occur. While I acknowledge that by the rawest definition that infidelity could technically be construed as polyamory, it is done without the express consent of all parties involved. The easy to understand analog-if we were to apply the same logical template to sexual intercourse we are discussing the difference between consensual intercourse and rape.
Human behavior, and by extension, the law, does not tend to forgive intent. The core is that somebody comes to harm, physical, emotional, or otherwise. It is unimportant what the intent(often born out of ignorance or simple lack of consideration as we see very often in this community). It’s sort of like how “not guilty by reason of insanity” does not mean you go home from court-you go to a state mental hospital until you are fit to stand trial for what you did and remain under sanctions for your entire life if that never comes to pass.
I say the following as a mental health professional with a full career worth of experience in trauma informed care (before it was even called that, but I digress) and individuals with histories of severe mental, physical, and sexual abuse. My knowledge of these things precedes by own victimization in this domain. I approach this with my own personal lived experience as a survivor of infidelity, as somebody that grew up in a household shattered by same, from independent interview and therapy of, and my involvement in this support community. My observation is that the typical response to infidelity is consistent with the response to other forms of abuse. I am able to very easily infer based on this that infidelity IS abuse.
This is further demonstrated through emergent symptoms/diagnosis of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, emergent and increased symptoms of anxiety and depression, dissociative episodes, and exacerbation of pre-existing mental health conditions.
Owning my own bias on the matter as a victim of same-I will say that if being the victim of infidelity turns out NOT to be the same as abuse that it is alarmingly similar and warrants further study. If it looks like a duck and quicks like a duck…
Oh, did I mention that infidelity is in the DSM? You know, the ICD-10 compliant diagnostic manual that governs mental health diagnosis?
From meta-analysis of the accounts of people’s subjective experience of being victimized by same, we see a lot of commonalities:
-The aforementioned advent or exacerbation of mental health symptoms consistent with trauma (as trauma response is scientifically the causal consequence of abuse). See above for more details!
-Exposure to Sexually Transmitted Infection (STI) that victims would otherwise not be at risk for.
-Exploitation-expectations placed upon us left us increasingly vulnerable to increased abuse.
-Financial abuse-money and resources are misallocated away from the family system to fund a secret life. These issues often take years if not decades to overcome upon the eventual separation from the family system.
-Emotional health issues related to abandonment and loss of normalcy. This includes the need to support family members (children, etc) as THEY also cope with similar feelings while navigating our own trauma.
-A highly probable increase in emotional and physical abuse-as the scripture reminds us, “a servant of two masters will come to hate one and love the other.” Many of the accounts I have read here have involved the general degradation of relations to the point where insults and physical abuse begin to occur or otherwise become more common.
I bet a lot of that looks very similar to “reasons people get divorced.” Well…yes! There is a lot of overlap! So here’s another factor for you:
-Exposure to victim blaming. Not only do we endure abuse by the partner, we gain increased victimization from people that lack perspective, understanding, and empathy. This of course promotes increased feelings of isolation, low self-worth, etc etc.
I think we can agree by this point that this is a complex issue. This is not our response to “our high school boyfriend/girlfriend ghosted us in favor of somebody else and we are calling that cheating”(though that is admittedly awful).
The people in this community were in long term, committed relationships (often legally so) that were destroyed by cheating, infidelity, and abuse. This has come with longlasting ramifications psychologically, financially, and legally.
So let’s walk away from science and empirical fact for a minute and discuss our actual ethos around here:
Relationships end. WE get that. And that hurts under the best of circumstances. If you spend more than a couple of hours here, you will encounter the notion of “if somebody was unhappy in the relationship it was their duty to minimize harm by separating and ending the relationship ethically.”
Let me save you some reading if you are new here: that is not what happened for…pretty much any of us. Abusive acts occurred and excuses were made for abusive and at times illegal behaviors. We were told that their happiness was more important than ours and that’s why they needed to keep secrets. We were told that while they could have left “it’s just not that easy-they couldn’t give up the security.” We were told that they needed us for our money and support but not for “us.” That they got to have what they wanted but we didn’t.
And we are not OK with that.
For what it’s worth, the individual that cheated on me during our long-term relationship where we cohabitated DID attempt to ethically open the relationship when she was unhappy with the arrangement. The problem was that apart from the fact that I do not believe in polyamory as a practice was that she was already cheating and simply seeking permission to proceed. I had already been victimized when she attempted to “fix things.” Never you mind I was also intensely vulnerable due to being diagnosed with diabetes the day before and more likely to capitulate. I did not. I told her “No, work on the relationship that you already have.” She elected to remain in the relationship while proceeding with opening the relationship anyway.
I would also like to underscore in the period of time between “when things were good” and when it became clear that she “went elsewhere” was marked by no attempt on her part to address the perceived issues in the relationship beyond telling me that I needed to go to therapy any time I was upset about…pretty much anything. There was no attempt at adult communication or reconciliation of issues prior to her “going elsewhere.” It was apparently perfectly acceptable that in not meeting unspoken needs that I continue to support her financially, medically, and emotionally. Most attempts that I made to address my concerns were deflected or I was informed that I was imagining things. Should I have left? Probably. I know better now.
She became more openly verbally aggressive, verbally abusive, demeaning, using tactics including dishonesty, gaslighting, and financial abuse until the time that she left. Forensic analysis of finances indicated a long-term pattern of theft of and misappropriation of financial resources away from the relationship and toward her affair partners. I am two years later still digging myself out from not only needing to adjust being a single income household but also debt that was generated in her behalf.
This all exacerbated my own pre-existing anxiety, depression, and symptoms of PTSD. I have been in intensive therapy approximately weekly since the onset of this. I have developed pervasive issues with trust and self-expression as a result of all of this. This shook my ability to perform my professional duties as a therapist. I continue the uphill battle with financial independence-she left a financial crater and unfortunately being cheated on, apart from deeply shaking my self-image and confidence also seems to have marked me as “damaged goods” to the uneducated population.
In closing, particularly predicated on recent…cultural events, I am very concerned based on the NPR article that triggered our challenge today about how our community and victims of infidelity are being perceived. There is a certain…anti-intellectual undercurrent right now where things like “science” and “empirical fact” seem to be getting swept to the side and getting ignored in favor of popular sentiment. As discussed here previously, we simply get queasy when discussing the A word or the V word and change the subject rather than face what we tolerate.
Perhaps it’s time we had a proper funeral for “discourse” and get ready for darker times ahead.
Aside from all of my clinical commentary and personal accounting above…I remain startled that we as a culture continue to permit “acceptable losses” and “acceptable abuse.” We have the same fundamental opinion of infidelity as we do about alcoholism-we turn a blind eye because we simply do not want to address our own ugliness and address the real issues.
I am saddened that people would commit an abusive act, find out the ramifications later if they somehow did not in their calculations of “getting their needs met” or “just trying to be happy” , and rather than attempt to grow from or atone for what they have done-instead “double down” and say, despite all evidence to the contrary, that what they did was a transgressive, abusive act, state “well, you’re just bitter”, “there are going to be losers”. and “heartbreak is a part of life.” That is a reductive and quite frankly shameful opinion concerning ANY kind of victimization.
(exhales)
Thank you for your time.
And A Fuckwit Free Friday to the rest of you!
My understanding of polyamory is that it requires full consent and disclosure among all parties including those outside of a marriage. Cheating is not polyamory – it’s that simple.
I’ve become extremely skeptical of therapists thanks to the ignorance and incompetence of some marriage counselors (fawning over the FW for example) and am deeply grateful there are ones out there like yourself to counter that!
I often frame it in financial terms since most people care about money and aren’t comfortable talking about schmoopie sex. Media almost never portrays this in movies or stupid Dan Savage pieces. Furtive theft of the kids college funds for hooker habit isn’t a sexy look.
Cheating siphons time, money and energy away from the kids AND spouse. Embezzlement of funds from a business is illegal, stealing from others is illegal. A lightbulb seems to go off when I emphasize this. More than one person immediately went home started asking for tax returns and reviewing credit card reports because anyone – regardless of age or creed – can imagine what it feels like if someone STOLE THEIR MONEY.
That infidelity is FINANCIAL ABUSE seems to be a thought that never crossed people’s minds. Until we point it out.
Abuse..let’s see..
1. Children and GRANDCHILDREN get to watch and hear devaluing, anger, rage..can FEEL betrayal that is underground until it is not..where trust is impacted forever by what they saw and heard within the walls.
2.Affairs destabilize families as much as a bomb going off in the living room,. Every room is filled with smoke and ash. Divorces and or more destabilizing take place to damage the peace of a home.
3.. Children get to live in different homes back and forth and are more inclined to POVERTY. Betrayal includes the children. Literally child abuse.. premeditated.
3. The risk taker has to lie, Use family funds, detach, pretend, wear a mask.All the while professing to love. This will require years of costly therapy to move past if one can even. Cheating is costly in all areas of a life.
4.in my 2x Chump marriages I got a 2 year STI with multiple rounds of drug treatments. I got $15,000 stolen, and more for my Exs APs, time stolen, a pregnancy I would have never allowed had I known, a move to another state I would never have made, mind alterations now for life of living with a liar, being used as a vending machine, being physically coerced, years stolen where I could have made other choices. The Line of abuse is exponentially unchartable.
5. Movies showing affairs always end with a kiss, never the dumpster fire that comes after. The airbrush of deceptive practices. It is lies that are sugar coated when there is financial, physical, psychological, spiritual and parental declines. This is a public health crisis of a major kind, white washed in ignorance and fairy-tales.
Thank you to all who wrote to NPR and made their feelings known. That is where a Chump needs to step up and shout to change the narrative. Chump Lady and CN, my hat is off to you.
Infidelity is abuse, from my experience , because:
-When my cheater’s 3-year double life was going on, his emotional and psychological and financial abuse of me escalated. Especially the emotional abuse. I was living with and being coerced to have sex with someone who oozed hostility for me.
-I had to get tested for STDs twice in our marriage, and a 3rd time a STD was found out while investigating symptoms. That STD, I later confirmed with a gynecologist, weakened my resistance to 2 tropical diseases which I contracted VERY soon after the STD diagnosis and nearly died from.
-My 2nd D Day sent me into clinical psychological shock which took a long time to recover from and necessitated years of anti-depressants and anti-anxiety medications.
-At a stressful time while separated I went to the ER thinking I might have some kind of heart event. Turns out it was a whopper of a panic attack.
-Tens of thousands of dollars in medical bills have been the result of his giving me an STD and/or the stress and trauma of discovering his infidelity. Many thousands have been spent on therapy. But the divorce was financially devastating for me and I am not sure I will ever recover financially. I agree that it is a public health crisis – ER visits, medications, trauma-informed therapy, increased gyn checkups after abnormal pap smears….much of these I have needed state medical assistance to get and cover the costs of because my income is so low after divorce.
-I have been ruined for any future in dating again. I no longer believe in real romantic love and certainly not marriage. My abusive cheater stole those beliefs and core values and ability to trust men from me.
It’s abuse!
I second all the arguments about rape by deception, risk of STDs and financial abuse. All those things are typical elements of cheating, as is post-separation abuse and traumatized children.
But, unfortunately, until the science is performed illustrating the statistical association between coercive control/domestic abuse and infidelity that we all know exists, the patriarchy-fluffing shills at NPR, New Yorker, New York Mag and NY Times can spew any apologistic, minimizing, victim-blaming drivel they want regarding cheating.
As it stands, there are stray studies that, in a piecemeal sense, argue for an association if you lump them all together and extrapolate the findings. Furthermore I think we average Joes and Janes and anyone with a voter ID have a right to “extrapolate” because a) this may very well be a life and death issue and b) we’re in an age when laws and policies are often based on scientific theory for better or worse. For instance, the science was the thing that pushed through the criminalization of coercive control in the UK. In the same way, the science may be the thing that settles the question of whether infidelity, even if it’s not categorized as abuse in its own right, is at least strongly statistically associated with coercive control and therefore all the statistical associations and risks that come with coercive control.
Anyway, in the meantime I think it’s significant that battered women are more than 30% more likely to be infected with STDs. Unless someone is arguing that all battered women are cheaters or sex workers, what this suggests by deduction is that batterers cheat.
Then there’s the study done in Bolivia which found that most domestic assaults were attempts by men to stop their partners from hindering these men’s freedom and ability to cheat. If researchers had investigated the issue and looked beyond what domestic abusers themselves would admit, I’m sure they would have found that these assaults not only enforced abusers’ right to cheat but were simultaneously effective at preventing victims from leaving or moving on to form better romantic relationships with others. I’m sure authors– had they been interested– would also have found the assaults were preceded by years of coercive control that were bent on preventing victims from exercising their own sexual freedom.
I think if any of these unanswered questions were truly explored, the statistical finding would be worse and have worse implications than anyone imagined. In fact, one day, cheating might be viewed as a statistical red flag for risk of domestic violence and even murder.
Again, that doesn’t mean every cheater will pull a Scott Peterson or Chris Watts. But I think most sensible people wouldn’t want to spin the barrel and find out if there was an actual bullet in the chamber so most would either pass on relationships with known cheaters or more quickly leave partners who cheat. Some might even get more legal support in escaping, getting settlements and custody if the science one day proves these victims are at particularly high risk of post-separation abuse and violence.
For every Chris Watts there are many would-be ones like my ex who were plotting, considering, fantasizing about a fatal accident for their Chump.
How many we will never know. Anecdotally some succeed without ever being caught.
Considering how good abusive sociopaths can be at politicking and also how incestuous some small towns and suburbs are, I wouldn’t be surprised if local law enforcement sometimes colludes or turn blind eyes in these schemes.
Where to begin.
The cheater has information that the Chump lacks, and can take financial steps to protect himself knowing how shaky the foundation of the marriage is. My husband stole, stole, stole and stole and I knew nothing — because he successfully hid his cheating from me. Is that abuse? Because the mediator decided I was exaggerating and beat up on me about it.
Or how about this: husband stops having sex with me shortly after our daughter is born. Eleven years later, he calls from overseas in hysterics because he has been diagnosed with HIV. Having no plausible explanation for how this could have happened, he invents a story about a tainted blood product from before he and I had ever met.
So his cover story meant that he’d been HIV positive before he stopped having sex with me — back when we were trying to conceive our daughter, whom I’d breastfed from birth.
Tell me that cover story isn’t abuse.
Five days after he dropped that particular bombshell on me, I started bleeding internally. At first I thought it could be my period, except it was just blood. My period would have been over in maybe two days tops, but this continued every day and every night for the next six weeks.
Is that not abuse enough to satisfy anyone?
I hope your ex is dying painfully from HIV complications.
Looking back, I was targeted and tested (I passed). It wasn’t love and building a life together. It was the facade of normal so that he could continue living his emotional fantasy life in tandem.
When I tearfully asked why he did it, he said that since I never said anything about it, he thought that I was okay with it. And later, that it was a game to him.
How can lies told with the intent to misdirect and manipulate in order to steal someone’s agency and feeling entitled enough to play games with someone else’s life be anything but psychological abuse at the highest level.
They really do audition us and continue to test to see what else they can get away with.
They know it’s wrong- they just don’t care.
I had no idea that the ex was in a long-standing, long distance relationship with his exgf from school who had moved to Canada (we were UK based). It had never crossed my mind that this was a possibility. I was dumped 6 weeks after my father’s death. I was told by the ex that it was all my fault. The list of my faults, which he took sadistic pleasure in sharing with me, were legion. About 8 weeks after the dumping, I discovered emails on the home computer which made the rekindled relationship crystal clear. So many lies quickly became apparent, spanning the 26 years we were together. I could write the book on emotional abuse. But one example will suffice. The ex shared with his exgf that my father was dying and then that he had died. This woman who I knew little about (met her at a hen party and a wedding years before) had been given very personal and truly upsetting information about my father’s dying (which was a haunting experience) and death. One email, sent by her to the ex the night before my dad was put in the ground for eternity, was headed ‘something to hold on to’. It was an admittedly very poor poem that she had written to him, to give him the strength to get through the funeral. To help him cope while the soil was thrown on my dad’s coffin. And while I held it together for my mother and siblings and niece. The apology for a human being that I married responded with ‘ you’ve moved me, I’m teary, yearning. Soulmates xxxxxx’. I find it profoundly abusive for my family’s sorrow to have been shared with someone who isn’t fit to lick clean the ground beneath my feet. The ex is a disgrace to the word ‘human’. He does not know the meaning of the word.
Ah, the theft of memories. The questioning of every intimate act or family ceremony. My exFW and I buried all four parents during our long marriage. I have nearly erased all painful and joyful memories knowing he transfered the role of confident to her.
It’s very sad. My mother kept saying to me ‘ but he was lovely at your dad’s funeral’. What do you say to a widow in her 80s married for 65 years! Evil behaviour.
At the most basic level, using the contemporary definition of abuse as “power and control,” cheaters exhibit both. For power, they hold all the cards in the relationship because they’re lying to you and they know something you don’t. All the while they have unilateral control of the situation.
Your letter-writer mentioned this in passing, but “cheating is abuse” is actually the moderate position. There’s an argument to be made that cheating is a sex assault.
Rape by deception.
It is sexual assault. I have never seen a valid argument that it is not.
I am not even going to try to be as eloquent and polite as the chump who wrote that wonderful letter because those NPR people don’t deserve it. I will address this to them.
My husband, who cheated for years with no protection and with a woman he knew to be sleeping with other men as well, gave me HPV. I developed cervical lesions which so far are benign, but are being monitored because that could change at any time. I will live with that fear the rest of my life.
I also have to live with knowing I had sex without informed consent (which means it is not consent at all) for years and that he enjoyed that part of it very much. Cheaters are sexual abusers. There is no other way to describe a person who gets sex with somebody through deception except, of course, to use the word rapist. The letter writer didn’t explicitly name them as such, but I do. Go ahead and scoff. It only proves you’re okay with rape if it’s in the name of “sexual freedom.”
Anyway, the experience traumatized me and I developed PTSD. I attempted suicide. It took me a long time to recover to an extent, but I will never be the same. My daughter, already in poor mental health herself, was traumatized by witnessing my descent into mental illness. It has taken her a long time to recover as well and she will also never be the same. The mental health problems and marital breakup alienated my eldest child, who ghosted me and has not spoken to me for seven years. I have two young grandchildren I am not able to see, but my abuser is, because he didn’t inconvenience her by trying to kill himself. Unfortunately, she is very much like him. I also fell out with other relatives who blamed me for the cheating and were cruel. Though she did apologize, I never got the chance to fully forgive my mother for that because she died not long after. I have a brother who continues to blame me and who cruelly informed me that up until her death my mother still considered it my fault and that they had talked about it behind my back. My brother and I no longer speak unless strictly necessary and since he has told me that I have resented my late mother, which is painful, because I want to remember the good things. I have not been able to mourn her properly due to this.
My story is not unique. All of this is common fallout from infidelity.
So if you tell me it isn’t abuse, you’ll get something from me that is definitely verbal abuse and is well earned. To whit; go fuck yourselves, you enablers of domestic abuse. You are fake, performative “woke liberals” who are fine with lies, sadism and non-consensual sex if it’s in the name of sexual expression, which you revere far above human decency and kindness. You not only refuse to name it as abuse, you gaslight us by telling us what we experienced was not actually abuse, and in so doing, you participate in the abuse. I’m sure you also don’t “kink shame” men who like to physically hurt women to get off either. It’s because you’re patriarchy placating, internalized misogynists. You’re also woefully lacking in common sense and emotional intelligence. Most importantly, you are dead wrong about this and should issue a public apology to the victims of betrayal abuse. So put that in your vape pipe and smoke it, assholes.
I completely agree with you view of these shills. Of course it’s mostly she-shills assigned to spin rape apologism.
One thing not on your list is that dental caries may be communicable, yack.
I forgot to mention the humiliation of having to tell my gynecologist about the cheating while I was in the stirrups. Every woman knows the position is humiliating enough in itself.
I also forgot to mention that I was a chronic pain sufferer before the cheating and that the way he treated me made my pain worse due to the stress of it. At one point after I found out about the cheating I threw my back out just picking up my dog. Because I was too stressed to heal properly at the crucial stage following the injury, I never recovered and it has only gotten worse since, despite all my efforts to heal it.
I could go on all day about the lingering effects of this form of abuse which will be with me for the rest of my life.
Ask yourself this; who but an abuser would blithely inflict emotional agony on a supposed loved one who is already in physical agony? In what world is that not sickeningly abusive?
How about the ones who do it to pregnant spouses, risking not just the mother’s health, but their own baby’s health. Still not abuse?
How about the ones who do it in the marital bed and delight in knowing you are sleeping on the same sheets they fucked their affair partner on. Still not abuse?
How about the ones who bring their children to meet their “friend?” Sometimes they even leave the kids watching TV while they go off and fuck in another room. Still not abuse?
How about the ones who do it with your best friend or a sibling, casually ruining your relationship with that person forever. Still not abuse?
How about the ones who don’t shower after they bang the affair partner, bringing the filthy remnants of their betrayal into your home and then have sex with you, thrilled that you are unwittingly getting sloppy seconds. Still not abuse?
How about the ones who use family funds to buy things for their affair partners and/or take them on “romantic” vacations which they tell you are work trips. Still not abuse?
I could go on all day.
Excellent. And yet doesn’t even broach the emotional, financial, fraud, etc. abuse that it is.
No one can truly understand how cheating destroys a person until it happens to them. The sexual betrayal was horrendous, especially since he had been withholding sex for years (even though I was attractive and fit). But worse than the STD he gave me were all of the lies and gaslighting. His lies during his affair made me question my reality and I honestly thought I was getting dementia. I had to go to a cardiologist for abnormal heart palpitations (which thankfully left after the divorce).
After D-Day he changed from my beloved husband into a vengeful and hateful person I had never seen before. He changed so dramatically that I honestly was terrified of what he was capable of and what he would do next. He intentionally put me through hell in so many ways I can’t even list them all here. He leveled false accusations against me and threatened to file criminal and civil charges against me for made up stuff. I was operating in a state of shock and my mind was in a fog as I tried to make sense of my life. The happy marriage and everything I knew over decades with him was wrong. Do you know how that messes with a person’s head?
Then there’s all the financial betrayal that happens with affairs. I discovered tens of thousands of dollars missing from our accounts (even though we didn’t have much more than that as it was). I realized how vulnerable I was as a stay-at-home mom. My adrenaline was going nonstop. I began hiding cash in the house in case he completely drained our accounts. I still to this day have to work through panic attacks when I check my bank accounts.
The theft of your reality does a number on you and I can attest that 8 years later, I am still dealing with the fallout, both to my mental health and my financial wellbeing. I lost my sense of self. I lost the family I had built. I lost my sense of safety. I have an upcoming appointment with a psychiatrist to deal with the nonstop ruminations. My brain just can’t make sense of what happened. How is the harm he intentionally inflicted on me not abuse?
I’m so sorry to hear about your experience and I see my own story in yours down to the sexual withholding and health consequences.
IME It’s easier to just tell people I have PTSD – which many of us certainly do – because most people are superficially familiar with the term and accept combat vets may have PTSD for years after the war/conflict. One day FW mask fell off and I saw the shark eyes as he came close to punching me in the face while I was crying. I thought the evil hookers changed him. Now I know he didn’t change, he just finally revealed the abusive monster he always was.
Eerie timing of this post. I was just at the hospital yesterday for a colposcopy and biopsy (cervix) because a high risk HPV was detected. Now I have to wait four weeks for the results. I have no way of knowing if FW gave this HPV to me or I had it before we got together in mid-90s. I know from him that he had unprotected sex with others during marriage and it is enough for me to know he was ok with passing it to me for the sake of some cheap thrills.
The way he has dragged out any settlement conversation over the last 3+ years is the next biggest item for me. While gallivanting with OW all around the world. Putting my life on hold and then being offended when I filed in court and spending inordinate amounts of money on counsel who deflects, prolongs, escalates and bills, bills, bills. Showing me where the money is going that is supposed to go to child and spousal support.
Truly despicable. I’m so sorry you are going through all of that. Sending hugs to you!
What about gaslighting and blame shifting? When did these stop being hallmarks of emotional abuse? I expect better of NPR than a click-bait podcast episode.
We are preaching to the choir here. Of course, 1000%, infidelity is abuse!
I don’t think we will find a chump anywhere who would ever say otherwise. ( once they exit the cognitive dissonance fog)
I don’t think I can come up with any area of my life that it hasn’t been abusive to.
In the current zeitgeist, there is an agreed upon blind acceptance of infidelity.
“Well at least it’s not as bad as”…….fill in the blank.
It’s a massive cultural blind spot maintained by very convenient myths that are sold over and over again.
Doesn’t everyone deserve to be happy?
They were just following their heart, in search of true love, life’s too short.
They were hugely successful in life, they’ve earned the right to have the 20 year younger mistress now. They worked hard all their lives, they should have what they want.
It’s essentially abuse apologia dressed up in romantic language.
It’s way harder to sell the narrative, ‘I systematically lied to and psychologically damaged my spouse while pursuing my own desires’, as a sympathetic storyline.
Infidelity is viewed as a relationship problem or some sort of moral failing. Oh well, just get over it and move on.
That it inflicts deep trauma on the betrayed and has symptoms identical to other forms of psychological abuse, the culture does not choose to address that. They are actively trying to avoid calling it what it is.
Shattered trust, questioning their reality, deep wounds to self-worth, hypervigilance, health risks, and intense emotional distress, financial abuse, soul destruction. The symptoms can last for years upon years, and I honestly don’t think any one gets fully over it. We are changed forever by this, even if the lucky ones get to meh Tuesday.
How can it possibly NOT be abuse?!
Part of the cultural minimization might stem from how we’ve collectively bought into narratives that normalize or romanticize affairs. “ It just happened”. (Like your dick just slipped into some random pussy one day and how could you possibly be held accountable for that mistake?!)
There’s also this notion that because it’s “common,” it’s not as serious as other forms of harm.
The secrecy, deception, and gaslighting that typically accompany infidelity are absolutely abusive behaviors, but I think they skirt around the actual label “ abuse” because they would be forced to address it differently and not be able to be flip and use the excuses “ everyone does it” or “it happens, get over it”, if it’s accepted main stream as genuine abuse.
There aren’t any bruises or black eyes, can’t we all just agree it’s not as bad as that?!
The therapeutic community often focuses on “repairing” relationships rather than naming harmful behaviors as abuse, which greatly complicates the goal of labeling it as abuse. There’s also concern about being seen as taking sides or making moral judgments rather than remaining “neutral.”
Takes two to tango people!! Marriages are hard work!
There is absolutely a broad cultural resistance to put infidelity in the abuse column. It’s been going on for a long time and maybe starting to be questioned a whole lot more now, thank you Lord! With the help of warriors like our fearless CL!
Many people, I believe, including some who’ve been unfaithful themselves, who really clutch tightly to the narrative that resists putting their behavior in the same category as abuse. I just fell in love, is that so bad?!
Society supports this stance because it’s beneficial to play it down and they might sell a lot less movies, or weekend,’ repair your marriage’ retreats from the RIC.
Labeling infidelity fully as the abuse that it is would not make the profits they are use to hauling in from it.
And we all know it’s money that makes the world go round.
“Doesn’t everyone deserve to be happy?”
Wow, the flash of visceral rage that just hit me upon reading that was absolutely stunning, even a decade after divorce from the lying, cheating POS with whom I spent decades.
That was his excuse for imploding our family, finances, sense of safety,mtrust in other human beings, etc.: whining that other people were having fun and that he deserved to be happy.
GAH !!!!!!!
I didn’t have a name for the hypervigilance I still experience. It has lessened (after nearly seven years) and takes the form of avoiding my own missteps from major purchases to remembering to take items I need downstairs. I constantly test the ground underneath me, not because I was physically assaulted but because I lost my tribe.
I received brief, appropriate treatment with a meditation teacher who, among several centering techniques, instructed me to visually scan the horizon. She said human/prey animals use this behavior to calm the freeze/flight/fight instinct. It is important to have trauma-informed practitioners following abuse.
It’s not the cheating and the sex – it’s the lies that wear us away over the years like water on rock.
It’s the dawning horror of reality that was never real- our whole world with the FW was not real.
It’s soul deep betrayal and the detonation of the foundation that was under our feet.
It’s that creepy feeling of realising we were vulnerable for so many nights as we slept next to a person we didn’t know.
If you haven’t experienced this, you have absolutely no idea how it is.
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How my cheating was abuse.
Lying to my face every day for at least 15 years. After DDay having him laugh in my face while I was crying, thinking it was quite hilarious that I didn’t suspect a thing all those years. “What did you think I was doing?” he asked. I answered simply, “Doing all the usual things like working and seeing your friends like you said you were.” He laughed with delight.
And that’s just one example.
I believed the things my then-spouse told me and I think he came to see me as stupid for not connecting the dots of the clues he left behind.
Seeing me as not deserving respect because of this perceived stupidity is likely common amongst cheaters. I was trying to live a life respectful of my spouse in a manner fitting the vow I made to him and he was trying to get away with crap. Im glad that I dont have these same offenses on my soul.
Yes I experienced something quite similar! FW would regularly suggest that I was stupid. Outside of the home I’m an Ivy-league educated professional and nobody else thought I was stupid. It got so bad I began to think, this is a bad marriage but who else would want me, an aging stupid overweight haggard mom? just stay with this difficult man and keep the family together.
Grateful that I finally escaped the cheater mindf**k insanity when I found CN!
Having possible HPV-affected tissue scraped and cauterized from your cervix and not understanding why… that’s abuse. Finding out he was sticking his infected pecker into hookers and then into you while you’re pregnant with your first (and, as it turns out, only) child… that’s abuse… of two people. Taking money out to fund your deviant recreation while your wife tip toes around spending because the joint account is strangely tight… that’s abuse. Portraying a husband while doing all sorts of unhusbandly things while your wife loses her mind trying to figure out what could be wrong… that’s abuse. It’s abuse because they can’t leave their self-destructive behavior to themselves – they have to bring other people into it. And how does one do that without extreme deception? Keep another person in that situation ignorant of any knowledge of wrong doing, triggering their fight or flight but denying them the reality to know why… that’s fucking abuse.
Oh, but it goes so much farther than sexually transmitting diseases…It includes financial abuse and emotional abuse and stealing and lying…everything about infidelity is abuse. And all those that participate in infidelity – from the coworker who had to have sex with your husband/wife – or the marriage partner that could not resist his/her coworker – are all piling on the abuse to the affected partner.
If I had known he hadn’t quit dating, I wouldn’t have agreed to marry him, to fund (and plan) the majority of our rock and roll life style, wouldn’t have covered the bills while he figured things out, wouldn’t have taken time off work to support him as his father was dying, wouldn’t have spent days helping him clear out the estate and getting it ready to rent, wouldn’t have catered to his wants above my own, would have been a lot more vocal about his selfishness and disrespect,
All of those choices I made were because I thought we were an us and that he’d do the same for me.
If I had known he hadn’t quit dating I would have left him to it and gone on to enjoy my peace. Well, better late than never.
I could spend all day and night writing blatant examples of the abuse I endured that were directly connected to infidelity (and thanks to Chump Lady’s blog and community, I know how sadly common my experiences were). I can’t believe that was my life. I’ve come to understand all of these “different” kinds of abuse we talk about are just facets of an abusive dynamic. You can’t separate infidelity from abuse because it is one aspect of the cycle of abuse. The sexual abuse inherent to cheating is obvious; I also experienced this. Likewise, the financial abuse; it’s pretty cut and dry, so no need to elaborate. My serial cheating ex (I had NO idea for at least seven years) was also physically abusive, something I denied until it escalated and I could no longer pretend otherwise; turns out, this is not uncommon with cheaters, especially when chumps make discoveries, enforce boundaries, or attempt to leave. However, the emotional/psychological abuse required to maintain multiple double lives, and to keep me from leaving, is what created the deepest and most lasting injuries, and the damage manifested in concrete terms (insomnia, nightmares, suicidal ideation, extreme weight loss, heart palpitations, hair loss, rumination, social withdrawal, detachment, hyper vigilance, anger and reactivity, overwhelming depression and anxiety, etc.). I was not myself, I was not okay, and it was terrifying.
Relationships with cheaters don’t always escalate to black-and-white physical abuse; sometimes, we miraculously avoid STIs; some chumps (like me) experience extreme financial consequences, but none escape significant costs; some are left to fend for their children, while others (like me) are left childless. Regardless, it all comes back to power and control. As one chump recently pointed out in response to the NPR nonsense, try to explain how cheating (and the lying and gaslighting and manipulation that enables it) is NOT abuse. You can’t.
The longterm theft of my reality was a betrayal and conspiracy that extended beyond my ex to involve friends, acquaintances and even family. The secret infidelity involved excruciating mindfucks, cruelty, and premeditated and casual deception — not to mention bizarre blameshifting, projection and resentment that had nothing to do with me but were nonetheless focused on me. In the dark, I worked on myself and I worked on the relationship. I forgave really nasty behaviors and normalized glaring inequalities because no one is perfect and relationships are hard. I internalized daily lies and mind games and betrayals that I felt but didn’t understand. I tried to resolve “fights” that weren’t really fights but I just didn’t know. Nothing made sense. Once I learned of my ex’s infidelity, the abuse ramped up through multiple discoveries, “trickle truths” and false promises of fresh starts. I honestly didn’t know who I was, couldn’t tell up from down and could barely function. And I *still* forgave and gave the benefit of the doubt, I still worried more about my ex’s happiness and needs than my own.
While the infidelity was a carefully orchestrated secret, I am shocked I didn’t see the blatant entitlement and inequalities in my relationship sooner. Well, I kind of did, but I worked really hard to fix myself and the relationship because no one is perfect and relationships and love are hard. (I even left a few times pre-discovery, only to get sucked back in). Of course my denial (“spackling,” as Tracy calls it) was also characteristic of an abusive relationship. So was the leaving, being drawn back in by promises of change, only for things to go back to what they were — but worse every time — once the control shifted back into my abuser’s hands. But we were “different,” right? After leaving for what turned out to be the final time, I heard an interview with poet Natasha Trethewey about her mother’s relationship with her abusive husband (Trethewey’s stepfather), who in the end murdered her mom. Over the years with that man, friends and family watched a vibrant, kind woman become withdrawn and a shell of her former self. The story was quite different from my own, yet something about it rang so true to the dynamic I experienced that I for the first time understood what I’d been experiencing was the cycle of abuse. And that I was in real danger and wasn’t yet able to see things clearly. I’d been so protective of my ex, so desperate for my life to be ok, that I just couldn’t face it. This aha moment was deeply disturbing but it also made me understand how serious things were; my ex and I weren’t special or different. I was a victim of his abuse and was sacrificing my life for his, and there was no way to reclaim control over my life except to leave and cut contact. For good. That was the hardest, most painful thing I have ever done, and I had to steel myself to my ex’s empty but tempting promises. When you’re losing everything and your future looks bleak, you’re most vulnerable to Faustian bargains.
It was an unjust, lose-lose ending that cost me almost everything, and I had to start over from scratch, in quarantine in a pandemic, on the cusp of 40. While my friends buckled down in their homes, with their partners and kids and communities. It’s impossible to quantify the lost investments and sunk/opportunity costs, and add to that the costs of recovery. My life today is much smaller and less hopeful, and I feel alone and unseen. I struggle to connect to close friends and family. Like other chumps here, I can’t even imagine loving or trusting again. I haven’t been on a single date since leaving my ex 5 years ago. I desire companionship and physical and emotional intimacy, but It simultaneously nauseates and repulses me and just seems impossible. I’ve worked really hard to gain a life. I have secure housing and a reliable vehicle, live in a beautiful area, got my masters and am good at what I do, and have some badass hobbies. I’m reliable and kind and pretty funny. I put myself out there and am attractive and adventurous and creative and strong and fit. I’m healed and calm and stable and “meh.” AND I still feel detached and muted and not myself, my life seems empty, and I rarely can relax or have fun. I’ve tried but can’t seem to find the sense of community and connection I lost. I fear this will be forever. And yet I am more independent, in control and at peace than I was in that abusive relationship, and I feel relief and gratitude daily to be free. I live a quiet life of solitude that is meaningless and lonely, but I prefer this to the risky alternatives and honestly can’t fathom how to make things better without sacrificing my peace and freedom.
People see the ending of your court procedures and the divorce etc and imagine things are all good.
They don’t realise it’s just the tip of a large iceberg.
They don’t understand that’s when everything really kicks in- no, we’re not ok but thanks for asking is my standard line.
It’s not wallowing, it’s a long slow adjustment to what actually is over what was imagined to be true.
Haha I wanted to but couldn’t figure out how to edit my post because I felt like I was wallowing. I have agency. I’m grateful for and appreciate a lot I didn’t mention, and I know I’m privileged and fortunate in many ways. It’s just still really hard and I’m struggling to find fulfillment and purpose.
Also felt like I came across smug and wanted to edit where I was tooting my own horn. It was partly in self defense, a response to chumps being maligned by cheaters and pop culture alike. None of that really matters though; integrity and compassion are what count. And I was trying to get at how even after we LACGAL and reclaim our mightiness, we’re forever changed and some of us still struggle with the aftereffects of abuse years later. As you pointed out, too.
Re editing: I too had always wondered how other people were able to edit their posts, and then I discovered that for a short time an icon appears at the bottom right of a post that, when clicked, allows you to make edits. The icon eventually disappears, and then all typos become permanent. Hope this helps, bread&roses.
Edited to add that the icon that appears is the wheely thing that looks like something to turn water on and off, so try clicking down there the next time you want to make any changes and see if the icon appears.
Life with an abuser can so influence our thinking that a moment of pointing out our strengths seems smug. Here, we have normalized the process of appreciating our own strengths. Toot away !!
It is perfectly reasonable to be beside one’s self after so much has been taken and we are left to create a new life at an age when we thought we would be reaping the benefits of life. Personally, I have played a fruitless game with myself trying to guess what I would have done earlier if I knew how truly treacherous his behavior to me was.
It is hard to know when to allow yourself to dwell on the depths of this experience in order to honor the difficulty you endured and when to kick it aside and take a step into a new future. Sometimes I do great and sometimes I ruminate too much.
Not being too hard on yourself in how you managed your survival is a good goal. Be proud of yourself, you earned that.
“Not being too hard on yourself in how you managed your survival is a good goal. Be proud of yourself, you earned that.” Thanks, Uni. This reframe helps.
P.S. thank you CL/CN for being such a supportive, validating, honest and snarky community. I would feel crazy and alone otherwise. Being a chump is so isolating and the entrenched mindfucks of the RIC, patriarchy etc. are incredibly oppressive and isolating. Attempting to explain to NPR why cheating is abuse is like engaging with cheaters. Of you need to explain basic decency to adults, it’s a lost cause. It’s not that they don’t understand; they don’t care. We’re not here for them. We’re here for us.
The question in reverse is interesting too: how can a situation that involves a lack of consent for the party most adversely affected be anything other than abusive?
And onto those adverse effects then. (And this is just FW2)
1. I almost lost my home.
2. I was gaslit, and therefore emotionally abused.
3. During the marriage I caught a UTI from FW
4. During the marriage I caught COViD (I very strongly suspect for a variety of sound forensic deductions on my part that this was via AP Eurotwat)
Oh, and last Oct I was diagnosed with an aggressive uterine cancer that is currently advanced (it is being well managed thru a clinical trial currently).
The sad thing is that an oncologist advised me that the tumour would have been in my body for about 18-20 months before surgical discovery.
And guess what? That time line aligns precisely with the period of time that FW refused to leave my home and made my life an ongoing period of angst.
A genetic mutation lies at the heart of my cancer (BRCA2), but the ongoing compromise to my immune system by virtue of chronic stress cannot be underestimated.
The connections between the development of cancer and a compromised immune system are medically well known.
So anyone, ANYONE, who tells me that a FW and their side piece are not garden variety abusers CAN FUCK RIGHT OFF.
If they remain doubtful they’re most welcome to accompany me to my legal estate planning consult next week, or how about my IV medical appointment next Wednesday??
CL you are a treasure for what you do and so are CN.
Dear NPR girlies,
Let’s revisit the topic when you develop cervical cancer from the HPV you caught from the person with whom you thought you had a monogamous relationship. Or when your child is hallucinating from the stress of having to endure “family therapy” with fuckwit and Schmoopie, during which two adults are enabled to tell the child that his chumped parent is a monster. Or when you have to pay your fuckwit a portion of the royalties of your books written during the marriage because you live in a community property state, even though your income is 1/8 of your fuckwit’s. Or when you finally find the pattern of cash withdrawals during the fuckwit’s fake business trips, marital assets you’ll never see again. Or when you don’t get any child support because the fuckwit is unemployed and living off Schmoopie’s income plus an inheritance.
When women have children, they often sideline their careers because, in our society, by design, men are paid more, and because parenthood is not socially supported. Then, after these women are chumped, they’re up a creek.
These are some of the things we mean when we say that cheating is abuse.
Sorry your boyfriend made out with someone else that one time, but equating that to what we live through is an obscene minimization. In the meantime, enjoy your very fortunate life while it lasts.
Sincerely,
A chump