What To Do When You Miss Your Cheater

what to do when you miss your cheater

What do you do when you miss your cheater? She’s going through a really hard time and could use a hug. But why does she miss the guy who broke her heart?

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Dear Chump Lady,

I found out late last night that my very best friend in this city, and my professional mentor for many years, only has a few days to live.

I just got to spend time with her in the ICU, which I’m extremely grateful for, but now all I keep thinking about is calling the FW to share this devastating news and take comfort in him.

All I want is a hug from him… which is crazy!!

What the actual F is wrong with me? Why would I be wanting a hug and comfort from literally the most dangerous person to my mental health and sanity while my heart is breaking about my friend?

I hate how he holds some kind of power even in times like this, and I hate how much my brain has been re-wired by all his bullshit. It’s only been about eight weeks since I got off the shitshow hampster wheel, so I wonder if this is a somewhat normal feeling … but it still sucks and is effed up!

We were together for 15 years. I’m so used to him being “my person.”  This would honestly be easier if he were the one dying. 🫢

Thanks,

Former Shitshow Hamster Wheel Runner

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Dear Former Shitshow Hamster Wheel Runner,

You are totally normal. It’s been EIGHT WEEKS since you broke up with a fuckwit and now your best friend is dying. You’ve hardly processed one giant pile of grief and now you’ve been presented with another. Of course you want a hug!

((((Former Shitshow Hamster Wheel Runner)))

Okay, it’s a lame virtual hug, but you know what? It’s a million times better than an actual hug from a duplicitous FW. It doesn’t reek of hopium. It won’t pull you back into an undertow of dysfunction. And it’s free! You can keep your dignity intact.

Please resist the urge to reach out to the person who broke your heart.

The impulse is entirely human, but it will just set back your healing. Here’s what to do when your miss your cheater, instead:

Remind yourself he’s not your friend. He fired you from the job of caring (and being cared for) when he cheated on you.

Find a safe place for your grief. That can be in the arms of another friend or family member. A pet. An online forum. A kind stranger who just happens to be in cross fire of your emotional vomit. Pretty much anyone else is a safer bet than your ex.

Shore up your self worth. Remember that you are a good person who loves with your whole heart and you are a stock that trades high. Your investment has value, so choose your investments wisely. He’s not worthy enough to touch you. You share vulnerability only with intimates. Being in your intimate circle is a PRIVILEGE.

He has no power over you, just history.

I hate how he holds some kind of power even in times like this, and I hate how much my brain has been re-wired by all his bullshit.

Be kind to yourself. It’s been EIGHT WEEKS. Your heart is catching up with your head. He has no power over you. He’s a habit. A rut in your brain. A fissure in your heart, which will heal. You can rewire your brain by making new neural pathways. It’s just going to be a big step outside your comfort zone at first. And just as you were starting to get your sea legs, this giant wave of new grief comes crashing in.

So, I’m turning it over to Chump Nation as a Friday Challenge — What do you do when you miss your cheater? When times are tough, where do you get your hugs? What gives you comfort?

TGIF.

And Former Shitshow Hamster Wheel Runner? More (((HUGS))). I hope you can spend as much time with your friend as possible now.

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WidowChumpy
WidowChumpy
1 year ago

I look at photos of my children when they were very young and see their innocence and then think of FW abusing us all with his double life and risking his children’s security. Knowing he chose to be out fucking skank rather than spending time with them and keeping them safe, stops me getting sentimental!

2xchump
2xchump
1 year ago
Reply to  WidowChumpy

Yes, look at the children!! This has kept me away from #1 cheater as I always recall me begging on my knees with my newborn in my arms, begging him to give up his mistress and love us. He told me to stop groveling, that it didn’t become me. I rose up to my feet and knew I had married a monster..the same guy,kicked my 6 year old off his legs as my son tried to keep my husband from leaving the house. He told this 6 years old to grow up!!! That was it for me. He did not care about his babies!!!!
Mt second cheater, put post it notes on the pictures of his children and mine saying that he would miss them when he HAD to leave for his new life. Post it notes on picture???? That was it for me. Remember the children.

Mehitable
Mehitable
1 year ago
Reply to  2xchump

I know we’ll all say the same thing but it’s true, that man who kicked his own child away is a monster and he’ll never know real happiness or love or any truly good thing. He’d never recognize it.

Elsie_
Elsie_
1 year ago
Reply to  Mehitable

My ex was a monster in so many aways. Thankfully, my kids came through but they had SO MUCH to work through that shouldn’t have been there.

One of them told me a few months back that they are still sometimes reminded of the hurt of Dad taking off and largely ignoring their existence. For example, it was FOUR YEARS after he left before he invited them to visit. I stepped back from that (of course) and said it was their call. No, they didn’t go.

2xchump
2xchump
1 year ago
Reply to  Mehitable

Every single cheater who leaves his family for anyone else and destroys a home IS A MONSTER..maybe there are small monsters or big ones..but they added up their gains and their children did not make the cut. It is unimaginable to my mind…but kicking my sin away as he held his legs so his daddy wouldn’t leave him??? That’s a forever no contact.

GoodFriend
GoodFriend
1 year ago
Reply to  2xchump

He told me to stop groveling…kicked my 6 year old off his legs as my son tried to keep my husband from leaving the house. He told this 6 years old to grow up!!!

This man is a monster!

My tween almost immediately put post it notes and stickers on family photos too, but COVERING cheater’s face so we wouldn’t have to see him. I put away the ones of the three of us, but unfortunately, FW is in all the photos I have of my parents, so they remain on display, stickers and all.

Mehitable
Mehitable
1 year ago
Reply to  GoodFriend

If you’re inclined to do so, there are programs out there where you could have him digitally removed from pics so it’s just you and your child (or whomever). If you can’t do this yourself, there are people who could do this for you. I think it’s better than scissors, lol.

GoodFriend
GoodFriend
1 year ago
Reply to  Mehitable

Thanks! I had forgotten about this. Tween is now a tech savvy teen, so maybe he could do this. Seeing the sticky notes and stickers just reminds me that he’s there. Although I love Kate’s googly eyes suggestion too, especially since he’d be so offended by that.

2xchump
2xchump
1 year ago
Reply to  GoodFriend

Post it 📝notes have messages alright!!! Wow just wow!!! My Google photos keeps sending me pictures of the good old days with cheater #2… I just ask..did he love Me even then? I’ll never know as cheaters do not know what true love is…

Kate
Kate
1 year ago
Reply to  2xchump

I had post its all over family photos, then replaced them with photos of just me and the kids. The big family photos of us all, I put googly eyes on him. Very satisfying. Have had to remove whilst selling the house, but hell they made me laugh until then!

GoodFriend
GoodFriend
1 year ago
Reply to  Kate

I love the googly eyes suggestion, since he’d be so offended by that.

Helen Reddy
Helen Reddy
1 year ago
Reply to  Kate

Googly eyes. Sooo mighty!

jahmonwildflower
jahmonwildflower
1 year ago

I am so sorry to hear you are in this tough spot. I get it. It is awful when you really want a hug and comfort and there is no one to give it to you. I can not tell you what will work for you, but only offer what has helped me. I had a FW who cheated and betrayed me for close to 4 decades with all manner of horrid trash, criminals, prostitutes, etc. Most of my life. So, yes, I often longed for a good hug and comfort and he would often cross my mind the first year or so. But he has not touched me (and never will) since I began to learn of his cheating. He is out of my life. What worked for me was a few things…lots of gym time. It physically improved my stamina and created lots of good feelings. Plenty of walking outdoors. Fresh air, seeing the sky and grass and trees, etc. That helped me feel better physically. Time with friends. Lunches, dinners, walks, phone calls, texts, whatever time they had to share. New challenges helped me focue away from his idiocy. Travel, going out of the country, seeing new things. Please love yourself and know you can and will make it without his touch, which will only serve to degrade and harm you.

CurlyChump
CurlyChump
1 year ago

Absolutely second the recommendation for walks outdoors and exercise to help re-wire the brain! I drive a lot for work, so I struggled with ruminating while driving, or getting caught up in feelings while listening to music. I had never been an audiobook person before, but I downloaded Libby and Hoopla (apps that let you check out audiobooks to your phone via your local library) and found listening to those helped so much. I uncovered some useful self-help and dove into some great fiction as well.

Sometimes you still have to force yourself to think about other things when you find your thoughts circling back to them. It’s a brain-training exercise at times, but after a few months of exercise, novelty, and distraction, the thought patterns really do change.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 year ago
Reply to  CurlyChump

Audio books are a great idea. Regarding the dangers of sentimental tunes, you remind me of the warning my feminist lit professor (a former chump as it happens) gave to students about avoiding “doormat format” music– songs that romanticize suffering and pining over the one that done ya wrong, etc. She considered that stuff patriarchal napalm or quicksand.

Kate
Kate
1 year ago

Audio books have been brilliant for me!

jahmonwildflower
jahmonwildflower
1 year ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

I would add “These Boots Are Made For Walking,” an oldie but goody (like me!) Love it when that song is on the playlist at a class at the gym. It is a bit weak, really, but I like the music and the walk all over you image. Everyone has their faves! The younger folks have artists that I have never heard of, the lesbians/bi gals in the group love “Bohemian Rhapsody,” and so on. We all appreciate each other’s tastes.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 year ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

It would be a great tribute! RIP– she was so full of gems like that.

She would have loved your book btw. She once turned a one-on-one student review into a lecture on gray rock and NC long before those were even things. I’d never heard anyone (other than my mother) defending what my father had done by cutting off his dysfunctional family of origin and reframing it as a courageous and healthy way to save the world from negative generational cycles rather than the usual way family defectors were viewed– either as “cold,” “heartless” etc., or like they were admitting to being criminal gene carriers.

Kate
Kate
1 year ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

😂🙂 I have a ‘fuck them’ playlist. Pretty Little Liar, You Oughta Know, Beautiful Liar, Shout Out to My Ex, Too Blind to See it, etc. etc. You get it. Triple loud, sing it like you mean it!

FormerSSHWRunner
FormerSSHWRunner
1 year ago
Reply to  Kate

Any chance you want to make a Spotify Playlist and share it? Please:) that sounds amazing!

Kate
Kate
1 year ago

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5bzr7zrbEs55tghVgOBHmU?si=1miql2iZQluKvrN3YJDEGw

Here you go! It’s a start. Threw in a couple of happy tunes which lift me too! Enjoy – banging loud!

Kate
Kate
1 year ago

Absolutely- any suggestions gratefully accepted!

FormerSSHWRunner
FormerSSHWRunner
1 year ago
Reply to  Kate

Katy Perry – Firework?

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 year ago
Reply to  Kate

I’m not usually a mainstream pop fan but immediately caught that Christina Aguilera’s “Fighter” was based on “organic chump experience.”

CurlyChump
CurlyChump
1 year ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

Also a great name for a 90’s grunge all-women cover band.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 year ago
Reply to  CurlyChump

I’d go see that group based on name alone lol.

demonwolf
demonwolf
1 year ago

Exactly what I was thinking.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 year ago
Reply to  demonwolf

God I wish I didn’t have this paper thin singing voice or could play an instrument because I want to be in that group. 😉

Last edited 1 year ago by Hell of a Chump
demonwolf
demonwolf
1 year ago

Same, sis, same.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 year ago
Reply to  demonwolf

We’ll have to settle for doubling as the band’s roadies/go-go dancers with combat boots and tambourines.

Kate
Kate
1 year ago

Bitch boots!

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 year ago
Reply to  Kate

I have several proverbial pairs.

demonwolf
demonwolf
1 year ago

LOL, here for it.

chumpedfor38years
chumpedfor38years
1 year ago

I am so sorry about your friend, I know this is a difficult time for you and you deserve hugs and compassion. In the early days after D-day, I started a document entitled “Trust That They Suck”. In this document, I started listing all of the things FW had done to the children or me that showed how much they sucked. I continued to add to the list every time something new happened or if I remembered something. It is currently 32 pages long!!!!
Every time I was tempted to contact FW for any kind of help or compassion, I began reading the document until the feeling passed! I even emailed it to my bestie so she could talk me off the ledge when needed.
It doesn’t have to be this method, but come up with a plan that you can turn to when these old habits crop up. Please allow me to give you another virtual hug and we are cheering for you!

Learning
Learning
1 year ago

👏 A reality check annotated FW bibliography is a wonderful idea. I kept one in ‘notes’ on my phone.

Your words “I began reading the document until the feeling passed” is spot on – because the urge to contact them is an old neural pathway, but the urge to contact does pass👏

demonwolf
demonwolf
1 year ago

This is such a great idea!

FormerSSHWRunner
FormerSSHWRunner
1 year ago

This is such a good idea! Thank you so much. And thanks for the hug! I’m definitely going to do this and I might do it on huge sticky notes around the room. Those will be hard to ignore.

Leedy
Leedy
1 year ago

Great idea, chumpedfor38years! And a great thread followed your comment. I think it would help me to do some writing like this, even though it’s been many months since I split up with FW.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 year ago

Writing that “worst of” list was something recommended by the trauma psychologist who consulted with the domestic violence survivor network I worked for as a specific measure to break down any lingering Stockholm syndrome/captor bonding. We also started to realize it was a surprisingly effective way to gird oneself against the typical victim blaming most survivors were subjected to. Something about reading and rereading the facts over and over seems to program the subconscious in such a way that, rather than feeling blindsided, confused or experiencing waves of panic and shame when subjected to victim-blaming or blameshifting, survivors would find themselves being unmoved by it because the truth had taken deep root.

That effect really highlighted a couple of things– for one that the chronic gaslighting involved in abuse makes the exercise necessary for survivors to piece back together their own shattered perspectives. It also highlighted how incredibly destructive and also ironic it is when crappy bystanders tell survivors not to “dwell on the negative” because only by “dwelling on the negative” in a very focused way can survivors emotionally protect themselves from crappy bystanders! So the the exercise can be an all purpose antidote to captor bonding, “gaslighting/perspecticide” and the “second injury” of domestic abuse (caused by blaming bystanders).

Some lists were well beyond fifty pages and survivors would sometimes keep them bedside and re-read them the second they woke up. I also know of people who submitted these into evidence in criminal proceedings against abusers. It seemed a bit novel and risky but, in at least one case, the judge read the whole thing and remarked on it in court before he threw the book at the perp.

FormerSSHWRunner
FormerSSHWRunner
1 year ago

I think putting the list on big sticky notes will help me read and re-read the facts! Thank you for replying!

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 year ago

Don’t be surprised if, in the process of recording the “worst of” list, you start suddenly remembering a lot of nuanced manipulations, brainwashing, fear-mongering, etc., on the part of your ex. One of the main things this exercise seems to reveal to a lot of survivors (yep, I have my own list) is that they weren’t just “gluttons for punishment” who willingly signed up for abuse but were instead systematically frog-boiled over a period of time by sometimes low-frequency coercion and fear into a state of helpless inertia.

Give or take broken bones, it all usually follows the same “cycle of abuse” and fear conditioning as classic domestic violence. Since current research reports that most survivors of domestic violence cite the psychological coercion, manipulation and control as the most devastating aspects of abuse even more than assault, it shouldn’t take crushed eye sockets and organ damage for abuse to be taken seriously.

MollyWobbles
MollyWobbles
1 year ago

I do a very similar thing. I go back and re-read my journals. I have some of them starrred to know that those entries in particular will help me stay away from him because the things he did are so heinous.

Mehitable
Mehitable
1 year ago

That is a really great idea!

GoodFriend
GoodFriend
1 year ago

What a great idea! I’m going to start my own. Like you, we were together a long time–married for 40 after five years committed–so there’s a lot of history. Every once in a while, I suddenly recognize the significance of actions I didn’t understand at the time. A running list would be a good place to put all these realizations.

2xchump
2xchump
1 year ago

Tracy Chump lady., helped me with this one as did all of you when I wrote telling that I didn’t know how to unlock my prison door, untie my knots, unhook the magnet of my built in attraction to both my cheating abusers. I was instructed to read the chapters in Tracy’s book TRUST THAT THEY SUCK and go NO CONTACT. While No contact I read all the CN comments on the pathology of a cheater and how they work to keep you shoveling kibbles and cake at them..keeping the baking going so they get to abuse you and have side dishes too. Once I got into.the brains of both my abusers and saw they both said and did THE SAME THINGS, I knew I was not loved but only of use, until I was tossed away or became a vending machine serving them. King to servant. I got my self back, my beautiful self and I am free but continue No contact and shut down the cake and kibble factory. It’s just like any addiction that you have to kick and Chump lady has the cure!!!! I can say I was cured of my addiction to pain and abuse. Sad to joyful and free at last

Best Thing
Best Thing
1 year ago

Hello Runner – What I did in general was to write, write, write in my journal as well as things others have mentioned. But what I believe is very important is making a shift in your thinking. Just like when someone dies you have moments of “Oh I need to call Xxxx and tell her…” before you remember that Xxxx has passed and is unavailable to you anymore. It’s part of grieving. And you have to grieve your lost FW no matter how badly you were treated. CL says “Don’t mistake history for connection” (or similar) and you have to grieve that history. Your FW’s connection may have been fake or limited or whatever your situation was, but the history is real. Grieve that past and remind yourself that there is no future with FW. Repeat as needed. Grieve at your own pace (eight weeks? A drop in the bucket) and you will reach radical acceptance, and be better off for it.

FormerSSHWRunner
FormerSSHWRunner
1 year ago
Reply to  Best Thing

I’m really grateful for your reply. Thank you. You’re right – I do have to grieve him no matter how bad he was. Along with that, I’ll have to grieve who I thought he was. And I really appreciate the note about not mistaking connection for history- WOW!!!

chumpnomore6
chumpnomore6
1 year ago

What a horrible double whammy. Here’s another virtual hug. (()))x It’s been 5 years out for me, and believe it or not, I still
get occasional residual waves of sadness. I was married 24 years, it’s a long time, a lot of history. When I got the decree absolute, I felt grief. (As well as relieved). So I sat down and made a list. All the shitty, selfish things he’d done and said, not just the cheating, but 24 years worth. I reminded myself of the physical abuse, as well as the emotional. I take it out and re-read it when I need to, (less and less no w, thank God). then I go for a lovely long walk, read a good book, and send out a virtual paean of thanksgiving that the cretin is no longer in my life. That’s what helps me. You’re in a worse situation because you’ve got a double grief, both fresh and raw. Remind yourself what a shitbag he is. If you contacted him, hoping for comfort, would you get it? I don’t think so. He’d use it to slap you, if not straight away, certainly later. You’re vulnerable, he’ll use it, so don’t be tempted. Here’s another hug. ((()))x

FormerSSHWRunner
FormerSSHWRunner
1 year ago
Reply to  chumpnomore6

Thanks. It is a double whammy and thank you for the hugs! The grief is fresh and raw for sure. I completely understand feeling grief and relief about the FW. I never have to spend one more day in fear that he will cheat again, betray me again, gaslight me again or intentionally manipulate my reality again. He is a shitbag. For YEARS I stayed because he was “sick” and he “just needed to do a lot of work around childhood trauma” and I just needed “to understand addiction more” and and and and…. NO MAS.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 year ago
Chumpty Dumpty
Chumpty Dumpty
1 year ago

NO MAS!

bfierce
bfierce
1 year ago

I watch Rupaul’s Drag Race! Marathon’s of it – over and over again! It became such a weird and wonderful escape from the darkness of betrayal and hurts and pains and fears and loneliness. First of all Rupaul is a gem. He, and She, will become your best friend in your head. Then there’s the Queens. On top of their talent and their humor, they are fiercely human. And somehow in a ‘reality’ competition for drag queens, you start embracing your own humanness too. And finding beauty in yourself and joy in the sheer silliness of life. I am sending you BIG GIANT HUGS and lots of strength. You are not alone on this journey and things will get better. That FW deserves to be nowhere near your skin or your soul <3 <3 <3

Kate
Kate
1 year ago
Reply to  bfierce

I watch Ted Lasso on loop – my safe place . I get to the end and start again! Not every day, that would be crazy, but just when I need comfort.

Chumpty Dumpty
Chumpty Dumpty
1 year ago
Reply to  bfierce

I am sending you a hug, too, honey!!

As far as tv shows.. When you’re really hurting, you take anything that helps, and I found TV helped! Kimmy Schmidt is a good one. Queer Eye… my 21-year-old and I watched all the Midsomer Mysteries with the original Chief Inspector Barnaby together, that was so bonding and healing to look forward to them and enjoy them together.

On the other hand, post devaluation and abandonment, I can’t bear to even see the promos for shows about female victims of violence now… all that tabloid, 20/20 garbage … I never truly saw how much of our popular cultural narrative centers violence against women until now, the scales have fallen from my eyes. The Gisele Pelicot story is an exciting exception to the usual narrative, because she struck back successfully. Shame, and, crucially, with it, fear, must change sides!

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FormerSSHWRunner
FormerSSHWRunner
1 year ago
Reply to  bfierce

Thanks for this suggestion and thank you for the big giant hugs! I really need them. <3

And thank you for reminding me I'm not alone.

bfierce
bfierce
1 year ago
Reply to  bfierce

Also just want to add- the lists are great, the journaling is great, the tapping into the anger is great. But sometimes, you need to mentally escape it. For me, especially in the beginning, I could ruminate for hours about him and about the relationship. I think there’s something really important to be said about putting a time limit on how much you think about him, and giving yourself a diversion for a little while. (((((Big Loving Healing Hugs)))))

FormerSSHWRunner
FormerSSHWRunner
1 year ago
Reply to  bfierce

Sending hugs back your way!

Chumpolicious
Chumpolicious
1 year ago

Totally normal. I looked to my FW for comfort in my RIC. Its Stockholm syndrome. You have trauma bonded and your body has a reaction you cant control. It took me about 3-4 yrs not to jump and scream when startled, and I startled easily. Now that reaction has subsided.
I used to hike in the woods with music and talk to myself outloud screaming. I was staying overnight a few years ago in a city that has a homeless problem. I saw a homeless lady walking scream talking, at first I just thought crazy homeless lady. Then I heard what she was screaming about. She was scream talking about a dude who was sleeping with her in her sleeping bag and how he was visiting another woman’s sleeping bag. I was like holy cow, thats me! Only difference is I was alone deep in the woods.
Now I just hike with music. Hiking resets my nervous system. Listening to podcasts if I have trouble sleeping, the talking is comforting. I wish I could say other people, but I am wary of others. I have always been a bit wary, but now even more so.

FormerSSHWRunner
FormerSSHWRunner
1 year ago
Reply to  Chumpolicious

Startle response central over here!!

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 year ago
Reply to  Chumpolicious

I definitely relate to the startle response. So do a lot of people who’ve been through catastrophe. Anyone can be victimized and traumatized– from a homeless person to a classical music star to everyone in between. And though every survivor may be unique and individualistic, abusers are not and neither are shitty bystanders and victim-blamers. Consequently the trauma they induce can devastate people in the same general ways and sometimes exceeds the resources that victims have to process it.

After a workplace stalking incident, attempted sexual assault, criminal court ordeal and bully pile-up by the stalker’s flying monkeys, I couldn’t talk about anything related for several years without my voice shaking. I might feel perfectly calm and clear but, as soon as I opened my mouth to speak about anything with the slightest connection to sexual violence (basically everything important to me), the quaking would start.

It drove me nuts, gave me a complex and nixed any possibility of work that required public speaking but also gave me insights into someone I had met in college not long before the stalking drama. She was a former child soloist for the New York Phil who decided to quit music and go back to school. She was a brilliant student, basically brilliant at everything but you couldn’t help noticing that she had a chronic quaver in her voice. It made her seem like a bit of an duck, maybe even “bimbo-ish” and I got the feeling a lot of people underestimated her intelligence and strength. Their bloody loss. If anyone proved sensitivity isn’t a flaw, it was her.

One time she took me to the opera and I remember her sitting curled up in her balcony eating peanut brittle as if Lincoln Center was a second home to her. She was smiling, gasping and peeking at me to share her glee over the music just like a little kid. I’ve never seen anyone who loved music more than that in my life. It was infectious and I was in more awe witnessing her enjoyment than I was the music itself. But this made it seem like an even bigger mystery that she’d quit. Later she explained why and this also probably explained the quaver in her voice. It seems her parents had, over the years, stolen every penny she made as a child prodigy. She didn’t find out about it until she turned 18. Then her parents played victim.

Even if they hadn’t forced her into it, her family exploited and pimped her love for music and her natural talent for it for their own gain. The trauma of that massive betrayal apparently wed itself to the act of playing music if not to music itself and would cause flashbacks and flooding.

I realized her experience was equivalent to rape and later read a study saying as much– that “prodigying” children for adult gratification can cause the same degree of damage as sexually using a child for adult gratification. The fact that it was her parents doing this likely brought it closer to the bone for her than near stranger danger had for me. But one thing that was equivalent was the bystander bullying. Once when she mentioned that fellow Julliard alum referred to her as the “great has-been,” I was so stunned that I probably failed to say something supportive enough. But thank God she told me this because the whole stalking drama gave me a front row look at how sadistic some bystanders can be to injured people.

I feel so lucky that I wasn’t like those shitheads and not a reflexive victim-blamer because the punishment for it is built right in: precisely because misfortune can happen to anyone, I’m sure when their turns come, they end up instantly internalizing all the damage. Maybe that’s why she confided in me and I also feel lucky she did because the respect and empathy I felt for her may have been an added protection against internalizing the offense against me or the bystander blame or feelings of self consciousness over lingering trauma symptoms.

Okay so maybe I don’t play Sibelius solos like a god but I’m okay at a few things so, fuck it, I’ll draw a little vicarious self esteem by association:

Her voice shook, my voice shook. What of it? Maybe we weren’t born punching bags. Don’t drive a race car in a gravel pit.

I knew full well she didn’t deserve to be exploited so this helped me internalize that I didn’t either.

I knew full well the people who scoffed with glee over her traumatized reactions (I still see idiots in the classic music world sort of sneering about her as the poster child for “failed prodigy” in comment threads) were the lowest sort of losers, outright evil and had no excuse. So that summed up my detractors as well.

I was glad to hear that, about a decade or so later, she went back to playing music though mostly in small chamber ensembles and never on the level she once had. Maybe as time went on she was able to incrementally loosen the traumatic associations of her parents’ betrayal. At some point maybe she was able to play music again, just not in front of people. Then maybe in front of people, but not with a full orchestra and not in front of a big crowd. But, after listening to a recording of her playing a concert from a few years back, it’s clear she hadn’t lost any of her magic.

It’s the world’s loss that she’s opted for a quieter life but I suspect she probably still gets more joy out of an hour of music than the creeps who tormented her experience in their whole lives. I hope so. She deserves it, so let’s borrow from it and feel deserving too.

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AristocraticChump
AristocraticChump
1 year ago
Reply to  Chumpolicious

Chumpolicious you put this so well, thank you. Same here with the startle response. And for any other new chumps who are still easily startled, it took me about 3- 4 years for it to subside too and like Chumpolicious it really has almost gone now! Walking in the woods (with my dogs) worked for me too. Though I couldn’t cope with any other walkers being around at all to begin with and I’d avoid them. I’m a bit better at that now too. And I’m pretty much better at work with the startle response. Though where I work there are some practical jokers (all young women) who sometimes prank each other by hiding and jumping out. They’re all very nice and just messing around but if any of them jumped out at me I think I might start screaming and not be able to stop. That sort of joke still wouldn’t be at all fun or funny for me. Not yet. I lived on edge with too much fear for too long.

Chumpolicious
Chumpolicious
1 year ago
Reply to  Chumpolicious

Yes thats a good point. It will give them ammunition to use against you. They will say that you are mentally unstable to anyone who will listen, couched in concern. Could it be you are having a normal reaction to the situation? Grief is a normal feeling when someone you know dies. Nope not to them. If you are grieving, angry, upset, sad, its all that you are crazy. So yes I think thats why CL says to go no contact. They will use anything against you. Super manipulators.

new here old chump
new here old chump
1 year ago

“Be kind to yourself. It’s been EIGHT WEEKS. Your heart is catching up with your head. He has no power over you. He’s a habit. A rut in your brain. A fissure in your heart, which will heal. You can rewire your brain by making new neural pathways. It’s just going to be a big step outside your comfort zone at first. And just as you were starting to get your sea legs, this giant wave of new grief comes crashing in.” I love the all caps here. I pined for my ex – we had 30 years, over 20 married, some early years “good friends” and while his entire fake life was finally becoming exposed, my mother died. By this point I had so much rage- he reached out to me, I hadn’t blocked him yet- that I tore up furniture and shortly thereafter, thanks to a therapist finally getting through to me, I blocked him. For YEARS (unfortunately) I missed him (but I never reached out after I found out he was lying for years, hiding money, making me comfort him when he had break up with someone else..and so on). He was my one. But as you know, and that is why you are writing here for advice, HE is the problem. He is not your one, he is the one who put you in the land of Oz, he is the sad, lying man behind a curtain. He is the reason you are suffering alone, because he was never really the one. Gaslighting as a term is getting a lot of attention which is great, but I like stolen reality. My ex stole my brain. I had no sense of reality. You are here, you are gaining your mind back, but what he did to you will take time to heal from. Taking care of yourself- which you are doing by writing here!- is key. Reaching out to friends. I love the fresh air, exersize suggestions. Taking care of my body helped me so much. When I was going through the worst of it I literally felt like I was dying so I signed up for a 200 hour yoga teacher training. It saved me. My body (where my brain lives!) was affected by all his abuse, so I needed to heal it. Also, let yourself mourn your past life. Light candles, blow them out. Cry. When your sadness becomes rage, know that rage is powerful and is healing. Rage is important. I burned stuff- photo of him, etc… So good. Forgive yourself even though you did not deserve this, I had to forgive myself for suffering which sounds strange, forgive myself for being duped (people love to victim blame. Anyone can be a victim, I learned this the hard way, so in some ways, forgiving myself was for not knowing that until it happened to me). Don’t forgive him. In fact, I am calling my “work” the great unforgiving. Accountability for what he did to me and our sons. No contact. And building a new life takes time. I am still always working toward that. It is not easy for me. But progress is made. Reading Tracy’s work here has been so good for me! And all the commenters shared experiences. I find it still so stunning how the trajectory of this specific kind of abuse is almost like a blueprint- so similar. You are on the right path. This in itself is HUGE. I am so sorry for your loss. One thing – your friend? She would hate him for what he did to you. She would comfort you and tell you, don’t reach out. You are loved.

All a Blur
All a Blur
1 year ago

When you miss your cheater? You work on your aim and try again.

Leedy
Leedy
1 year ago
Reply to  All a Blur

Chuckling out loud! 😅

Best Thing
Best Thing
1 year ago
Reply to  All a Blur

Oh snap!!

Mehitable
Mehitable
1 year ago
Reply to  All a Blur

Zing!

Mehitable
Mehitable
1 year ago

Dear Former, I’m so sorry you are going through such a horrible experience without your former person to comfort you. Know that if he were here, he would only make things worse. Not only would he not comfort you, he would do or say things that would actively hurt you. Yes, he would. So many people here have told horrible stories of being abandoned while pregnant, with small children, with cancer or other disease, with dying or dead parents, being financially devastated – so many awful stories of people left in crisis by those that supposedly loved them. If you reached out to him, this is likely what you would expose yourself to. Something that will hurt you even more. When you feel the urge for a hug or comforting words from him, think of this. He’s not safe anymore and he actually would hurt you.

This is such an awful time because it’s so hard to escape from these feelings of tragedy and sadness and loss. You have to be extra good to yourself and try to do things that are fun for you, make some time for fun, it’s important. I hope there are other people you can spend some time with. Do things you enjoy, give yourself something of a free rein at this point as you need to keep your spirits up. And come back here if you need encouragement, so many people here have been through similar experiences as you. Most of us did miss FW at some point – I missed mine for years, but I just had to move on. He wasn’t worth my feelings.

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GoodFriend
GoodFriend
1 year ago

Former Runner, brava to you for your immediate response, which was to go to see your dying friend and to be with her. That’s not something everyone will do.
To grieve this friend, you can also seek out others from the friend and professional circles, and perhaps work with them to develop some kind of tributes or memorials. That will honor your friend and give you some comfort from someone other than your ex.
Yes, it’s absolutely normal to think of turning to him, and not only for grief. When we have long relationships and shared histories, it’s natural to think of sharing with them, whether it’s a major trauma like a terminal illness, or something positive, like a fleeting reminder of something once you did together or had in common. He was there with you for a lot of YOUR history, and he’s probably the person you confided in, as well as (hopefully) shared joys.
Dogs and cats can be great listeners.

Velvet Hammer
Velvet Hammer
1 year ago

Neural pathways are a real thing. Our thinking and behavior create them, and they are a big part of what drives our thinking and behavior.

You’ve been reinforcing those programming grooves for fifteen years. It takes a lot of time, distance, new thinking, new behavior to create new neural pathways that steer you away from him.

It’s been seven years since DDay, at which time I would have done anything to keep my so-called marriage (which was really a MIRAGE).

Today I not only have a gag reflex in response to him; he never even crosses my mind in all.

Think about changed thinking and changed behavior like you think about building a new house from the foundation up. A house that does not include him. No cheaters or side pieces allowed.

That takes TIME and PATIENCE.

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Velvet Hammer
Velvet Hammer
1 year ago
Reply to  Velvet Hammer

I’ve mentioned before that Traitor Ex and the primary side piece opened an Asian massage parlor/ escort service. I recently found his reviews and comments on a couple of illicit massage parlor review websites. They are sickening. I was with him for twenty seven years and I NEVER REALLY KNEW HIM UNTIL NOW. There, unfiltered, in his own words, he reveals himself to be the deviant, disgusting disordered degenerate lowlife individual he actually is.

Had I known this about him I would never have dated him.

This is NOT about “I was unhappy, I met someone, I fell in love….”

This is about I was used as a disguise for a predatory freak.

When someone cheats on you, you can trust there are many more subfloors of disordered below what you see.

Run like hell.

PeaceAtLast
PeaceAtLast
1 year ago

I have lists in my phone. A list called « Miserable Moments and Disagreements » which is a pre D Day dated log of his nastiness as it happened that spans 10 years. A list called « Suspicious Stuff » that starts on D Day and logged all my discoveries of evidence over a 5 month period and thoughts as they occurred (lots of WTF’s). A very long list called « Most Useful CL Advice ». Looking at any one of these lists stifles any urge to communicate.

MollyWobbles
MollyWobbles
1 year ago
Reply to  PeaceAtLast

I have useful CN advice in my journals too. Along with all the ways FW did me wrong I also have inspiring snippets from CL and CN as a whole. Super helpful!

Velvet Hammer
Velvet Hammer
1 year ago
Reply to  PeaceAtLast

Excellent advice! I’ve done similar.

marissachump
marissachump
1 year ago

First off, virtual hugs and I am so deeply sorry!

Secondly, I wrote myself a list of all of the consequences of if I were to break no contact and I carried it with me everywhere in my bag for about 2 years. Every time I felt the twinge of that trauma bond inspiring me to reach out, I would read the list to myself. My list included the ways fuckwit was putting myself and others and my relationships with family and friends at risk. It worked. I had a slip one time and it set me back immensely. But I got right back on that no contact horse then I could move on.

FormerSSHWRunner
FormerSSHWRunner
1 year ago
Reply to  marissachump

This is a really great suggestion – a list of the certain consequences if I caved. Thanks!

Elsie_
Elsie_
1 year ago

I get it. I truly do. My ex made the separation long-distance, and I flip-flopped on this type of thing. I’d call him with something hard because of the bond and the hope that he’d be sympathetic. Well, he never was. His standard response was that I had to deal with it, and he usually threw in a side of blame. That was weird because he was the one who packed up and went far away, and then he said it was my fault that I was dealing with these things alone. How very, very twisted!

My attorney wisely recommended no contact during the divorce, and that was when I broke it. I realized that he was incapable and that it was best that I give my ex almost nothing to work with. I did fine with that during closeout, being polite but business-like. I was email-only then, which worked. And in time, he finally let me go. I became a hard target.

Was I tempted to call him a few times? Most certainly. Some really hard things happened during and after the divorce, but some really good things happened, too. So I focused on rebuilding the next chapter, and that was that. It was hard but very needed.

Elsie_
Elsie_
1 year ago

My brain is fuzzy today, so I can’t remember the source, but there was a post on another recovery site regarding the lessons of a really BAD relationship. Two of them were some people will never, ever get better, and another was that some people don’t deserve to be close to us ever again.

Works for me!

Livingmybestlifenow
Livingmybestlifenow
1 year ago

I don’t know that I ever missed my FW personally but I missed having someone there for me, especially at night. When we first separated I got all new pillows and bedding and I would sleep with pillows all around me and even on top of me with my little dog next to me. (Maybe I could have used a weighted blanket) My adult daughter came in my room once and said what are you doing? I answered that this is how I sleep now. And I also learned that if I felt lonely to get together with or at least call someone, I made sure not to overwhelm any one person. I am four years out now and no longer sleep in a pillow cocoon. But I do still baby myself and treat myself incredibly well.

Irrelevant
Irrelevant
1 year ago

There’s NOTHING ‘wrong’ with you. It’s only been 8 weeks–you are still reeling. Cut yourself some slack.

My go-to list of missing/wanting coping mechanisms evolved over time along with my healing. But at 8 weeks–that’s still the rawest of the raw stage, so very little worked in terms of successfully rewiring. I just had to force myself to stay away knowing full well that the longer I did that, the better the chances that emotional DISTANCE would finally kick in and give me strength. And yes, you have to deal with the pain of keeping yourself away while dealing with the unfairness factors, and the brutal loneliness, but the more you invest in maintaining distance, the sooner all of it becomes much more manageable.

During that more acute phase (which lasted most of the first year for me), I would snap rubber bands on my wrist (to stop intrusive thoughts), I would get up and move my body–walks, taking the dogs out, moving around the house doing busy things, and I would bury myself in mental busy work too (paying bills, building budgets, writing letters etc.). Those things helped me move away from the ‘missing him’ mindset, and allowed me to focus my mind on whatever it was I was doing (this is how rewiring works).

Repeating Mantras helped during that time too: Trust that he sucks, This is my world now; he’s not in it, etc. I probably had 8 or so regular mantras that I could spit out whenever I felt I needed to recenter my brain/thinking, and I would keep repeating them until the urge to call, write, or contact him quieted down again.

Then early in my second year, I devoted myself to a ‘present day’ mindset. Anything and everything I could do to stop myself from looking back, or getting scared by looking too far forward–I did. By keeping my focus in whatever I was doing in present moment, it helped to slowly rewire my brain circuits. It got to the point where when intrusive urges or thoughts popped in–I would force them away by refocusing myself on something in the moment. Later still, it became as easy as mentally shooing those thoughts and urges away. And obviously, as time passed, the less those urges and thoughts appeared and the easier it all became to deal with.

Girl, it’s a marathon, not a sprint. Find things that bring you tiny measures of comfort–reading, writing, favorite tv shows or movies, walking, spending time with a pet, visiting/talking with friends, a favorite meal–ANYTHING that can give you a tiny slice of comfort. Keep turning to those things and soak in whatever good you can get out of them.

Most of the earliest healing/dealing has to do with cutting yourself slack and being good to yourself. You aren’t flawed or broken, you’re NORMAL, and you need time to heal.

(((hugs)))

Irrelevant
Irrelevant
1 year ago
Reply to  Irrelevant

I should add that the time for serious processing of all your feelings will come–you’ll know when the time is right for that because you will be able to reflect with growth in mind and without going down emotional rabbit holes.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 year ago

It occurred to me that there’s a learning curve and a degree of behavioral retraining involved with surviving abuse. Even if the wisdom and habits people can acquire from this might make them safer in many ways, can we all just take a moment to admit that it’s also sad and fucked up that it’s even necessary? In my effort to gain a healthy acceptance of reality, I don’t want to lose sight that, in a better world, innocence and inexperience wouldn’t be punishable offenses.

I see the urge to get a hug from a former abuser as possibly like that really odd impulse little kids have to put more food in their mouths just as something gets stuck in their windpipes. But I think the reflex is understandable for people whose experiences with food– or love and relationships– have been mostly positive. It’s only after encountering misfortune– a shard of chicken bone the chef left hiding in broth or dealing with abusers– that the reflexes might be extinguished.

Here’s wishing Runner no more undeserved “educational” experiences.

Elsie_
Elsie_
1 year ago

I agree that it’s a lot of retraining. For a time, I felt I could trust NO ONE, but now I’m more mindful about it. I chose who I trust with my struggles and innermost thoughts, period.

Leedy
Leedy
1 year ago

I agree–it’s just so massively sad that we chumps have to go through all this trauma and rewiring. Here’s to all chumps, in CN and beyond–may we find peaceful days and be surrounded by good, honorable buddies.

FormerSSHWRunner
FormerSSHWRunner
1 year ago
Reply to  Leedy

So. Massively. Sad.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 year ago

I was once telling a friend about a hellish, violent experience (workplace stalker saga I mentioned earlier). Because almost everyone else I’d told the story to had somehow expected me to sum up the tale of woe by taking some little smidge of responsibility for it, I sort of automatically ended the story with “Well, at least I learned something.”

If I didn’t say stuff like this, I’d usually get a barrage of weird criticism (something about, say, my habit of wearing short skirts or being too open with people I didn’t know well or just random theories about how victims emit voodoo tractor beams that draw in “negativity”). Basically people wanted me to say they’d be safe from the same fate because I’d made some obvious mistake that they’d never make. But this time, instead of patting me on the head for indicating I’d somehow “had it coming,” my friend– a tough Italian musician from the Bronx– burst into tears in the middle of a cafe and said, “Why would you say that? Knowing you, you could have learned the same thing from a book instead of having to go through it.”

Amen. That was among the most unforgettable encounters of my life. I went from feeling accursed to feeling blessed to have people like this in my life. His reaction set the benchmark for sanity and evolved humanness forever after. I think it sums up that, whatever we “learn” from this stuff and however much the evils of the world make that learning curve necessary, we should never forget that, in a better world, being innocent and untouched by violence, betrayal, evil and trauma would be perfectly “well adjusted.” Otherwise it’s like wishing the same “education” on others as if this is somehow good for people or a necessary correction of a fatal flaw. But I wouldn’t wish that kind of
“correction” on mine enemy’s dog.

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OutButNotDown
OutButNotDown
1 year ago

When I have missed my cheater the most after separating and tempted to reach out to him for comfort was 1) when I injured myself, living alone, and suddenly couldn’t do a lot of basic things for some weeks, and 2) when one of our young adult kids goes through something that I really wish I could talk about with him. (He was awful in many other ways, but mostly good when it came to helping with problems we had with our kids).

Both with the physical injury issue and the issues with my young adult kids, I talk to a couple of people who know me and the situation very well, and know my kids well. They have always talked me off the ledge and provided wise insight and comfort regarding my adult kids.

Leedy
Leedy
1 year ago

Runner, you sound like a lovely, gentle person, and an eminently sane one. As everyone in this thread notes, your reactions–all of them–are really normal, considering the depth of loss you are living through right now. I am so sorry you have suddenly lost the person you thought was your pillar, and that on the heels of that you are losing your best friend.

Two things that have helped me when I am feeling bereft of my FW (who actually was very good at comforting me when I was going through difficult things) are, first, calling a friend–even if it’s someone I don’t go very deep with (as my two best friends are actually very ill now and can’t be leaned on that hard)–and, second, doing a guided meditation, which often enables me to have a good cry and feel better. I’m a Buddhist, but a well-guided meditation, whether it’s within a faith tradition or not, can be very helpful in enabling me to feel supported.

Someone who is outside of any faith tradition but is great at guiding meditations–in a heartfelt, compassionate way–is Tracey Stanley. A really good soul.

Wishing you all comfort. To the extent that we can, we at CN really do have your back!

FormerSSHWRunner
FormerSSHWRunner
1 year ago
Reply to  Leedy

🧡

2xchump
2xchump
1 year ago

Let’s pretend a dark personality was poisoning you slowly with let’s say…some kind of potion in your tea every day..just a drop of it..then this dark person started putting a few drops of this brew in the children’s breakfast cereal too or in their chocolate milk. Let’s say you finally taste it and you blow the alert whistle and call in the FBI. Would you go and give this person a hug to comfort them? Telling them it’s okay and that you understand why you and your children deserve to die slowly rather than quickly?
I do everything to try tp stop myself from hugging a person who wished me dead over the years. The list is endless of the thousands of cuts he used to hurt me and steal my reality and enter my brain with his voice and lies. Brainwashed by a person with poison who I thought loved me.
Don’t go back, push through the pain…exercise,walk scream…read listen cry..until you pass through the tunnel into the light

Innocencelost
Innocencelost
1 year ago

Hello! I went to the exact same thing. Something terrible happened, and I really wanted to reach out to my ex. I’ll refer to what my therapist helped me with. I recommend therapy, btw, for anyone and everyone. As my therapist is, if you are breathing, there is something to work on.

What did you get from getting a hug from your ex? What does that do inside of you? Where do you feel it in your body? What do you imagine when you hug him? How did you get those feelings and sensations before him? How do you offer those feelings and sensations to others- what do you do/say?

I think you want that feeling of comfort and familiarity and safety that you got with him. The thing is, you can give that to yourself. He didn’t give it to you, you gave it to yourself then too. He was just a vehicle. Sure, he ended up being a lemon.
Yet I believe you can work on giving that comfort n safety and familiarity to the part of you that wants a hug from him without ever involving him. Because he’s not safe any more. but you can learn to be there for you.

Best of luck, and you are not alone

Kate
Kate
1 year ago

I found this SO hard. The most devastating thing had happened to me and the person I believed had my back, cared about me, loved me had just left me, like I was nothing. What has got me through those times (and they still come 11 mths out, but less and less frequently) is listen to TMHYAM, LACGAL to remind me of the manipulation of my mind which triggers those feelings. To remind me that he is no longer/was never the person I was married/thought I was married to. He can’t be, because I never saw this side of him until it was turned on me in an instant.

My son, who has done 12 step programme, suggested I give someone a call and ask them how they are. He said when I’m thinking about someone else, I’m not stuck in my stinking thinking. I called a friend I’d been meaning to call because I hadn’t heard from her and thought she might be having a tough time. She was so grateful for my thoughts and as it lifted her, it lifted me.

I get outside, take my dogs for a walk.

All of these things help ground me in those moments when I’m feeling the loss, the loneliness. That’s when I remind myself that my ex can’t give me what I need or want anymore. That’s
gone. And now I can’t accept less. And I can carry on. You can too. Xx😘

FormerSSHWRunner
FormerSSHWRunner
1 year ago
Reply to  Kate

What is: TMHYAM, LACGAL?

Leedy
Leedy
1 year ago

LACGAL is Tracy’s book, “Leave a Cheater, Gain a Life.” And I think TMHYAM is her podcast, “Tell Me How You Are Mighty.”

FormerSSHWRunner
FormerSSHWRunner
1 year ago
Reply to  Leedy

Thanks!

Stepbystep
Stepbystep
1 year ago

Learning to self soothe is the task of every adult. Being “chumped” has given us even more reason.

Infidelity – particularly in a long-term marriage – tangles trauma with grief in a society which doesn’t provide remedies or ceremony.

It requires a holistic approach – physical, emotional, cognitive, spiritual. And time. No contact can keep a chump from having to start over.

demonwolf
demonwolf
1 year ago

I write poetry. Here is a sample:

The muse of fire is not admitted here.
Imaginary forces have no right
To prick their proud hooves on this tender place
And print impressions there.
This is sequestered space.

Nor dreams-that-come-from-Zeus, let them be light,
As insubstantial as the wind, as frail
As fleeing ghosts that slip across the gaze,
Here no intruding sight
Assaults the wash of greys,

The shadowed lavender, and, lichen-pale,
The creep of green across the hemming wall.
This plot belongs to Mnemosyne alone,
And here things past assail
The senses till they drown.

Except when Lady Mercy pays a call.
She drops in uninvited as the dawn
And scatters balm like petals on the floor.
Unquiet waxes small
And ease engulfs the sore.

wilma
wilma
1 year ago
Reply to  demonwolf

@demonwolf
That is a beautiful poem. Can I copy it to read at the graveside service for my niece next week? She was troubled and a problem all her life and died of an OD at 44. I can’t really read something about her going to heaven, but I wanted something with some comfort for her dad. The Lady Mercy line calls out the needed comfort to me.

demonwolf
demonwolf
1 year ago
Reply to  wilma

Certainly. I am so sorry for your loss, and I hope the poem brings a moment of comfort to your niece’s loved ones.

EZ
EZ
1 year ago

Last time I missed FW was when I had the flu. I called my sister, and she asked a very good question – what it was that I was missing? Because it wasn’t a fuckwit.

And what I was actually missing was having someone around that would go to the chemist for me.

And guess what, FW wasn’t that guy. Last time I was really unwell, crying on the bathroom floor and vomiting uncontrollably, he refused to come upstairs and pass me an anti-nausea pill. I was so sick I couldn’t even get 2 meters to the medicine cupboard. And I was looking after my pre-schooler alone. The whole time he stayed downstairs in the same house “working” (which I now know means talking to schmoopie).

Did I truly miss that cuntmuffin? No I didn’t. And you know what, the delivery guy who dropped off some meds to me was far kinder than that arsehole I married.

Learning
Learning
1 year ago

Dear Wheel Runner,

The exact same scenario happened to me about one year ago.

FW was still living in the home (we were separated under the same roof because the a’hole refused to accept the divorce legal papers or go to mediation prior).

I was minimal contact with him.

I lost my darling friend very unexpectedly to pancreatic cancer (she hadn’t known she had it until two weeks before she passed away).
She was a dear friend of 30 years and like a sister to me.

I felt teary and emotional when Fw was standing nearby. I told him what happened and fell into his arms crying.

Why? Distress, sadness, grief and the ‘muscle memory’ that his arms were the place to be for emotional safety and comfort.

Mere days later, he lodged his legal claim for half of my superannuation (he was entitled to none because I’d earn’t it decades before) and 65 percent of the home we both owned, even though I had paid for all of the deposit and had paid 85 of our living expenses throughout the relationship and marriage. This was also an empty, ambit claim.

I think that this last example of the stark contrast between FW being seemingly a giver of emotional comfort and a greedy a’hole, managed to dislodge the last vestiges of muscle memory in me.

I have had some heavy things happen subsequently – while he was still in the home and then when he was out (a threatened serious assault from a stranger and some tricky personal health news).

On neither occasion did I want to reach out to him.

Instead….friends/hot baths/journal writing.

FW’s were once the closest, most trusted people to us. I used to consider FW as my dearest best friend

It takes time for that remaining phantom shadow of the relationship to completely fade away.

Complete no contact if you’re able is a gift.

I’m finding that his removal from my day to day head space has removed any sense of potential emotional proximity as well.

He fades more and more each day.

Blockety, blockety, block.

FormerSSHWRunner
FormerSSHWRunner
1 year ago
Reply to  Learning

I’m so sorry about your friend (and the fact that FW made that time even harder). Thanks so much for sharing this with me.

Learning
Learning
1 year ago

Thank you Wheel Runner.

God bless your dear friend. I think you will always feel glad that you got to be with her and to say your goodbyes to her.
Huge hugs to you as you remember her and the legacy she has left in your life 💕

Helen Reddy
Helen Reddy
1 year ago

One way that I broke FW spell was to say to myself, “Well, who would you call if FW was dead? Call them instead.” So, I coached myself to just carry on as if FW was literally, mortally not available for “rescue missions.” Rely on a different resource, even if that means paying them–it’s worth it. Pay a grief counselor, if you need to. The very last thing you want is to put trust on someone who is sure to later extract their cost from your soul. This mindset worked really well for me.

Also writing a “F You for….” list definitely helped.

Last thing that helped me get relief with grieving on top of the crushing emotional pain of betrayal was purchasing DVDs of comedy movies I could rewatch at will. (This was a while ago, your format and taste may vary.) Re-watchable movies like Elf (Will Farrell), or RV (Robin Williams) worked for me like an emotional valium to support myself through the hardest hours.

CakeWalked
CakeWalked
1 year ago

I still miss my FW sometimes, over a year after divorce. Here’s what I do besides this community (chump nation).
1) Listen to narcissism experts on YouTube (I don’t know if FW is a narcissist, but FW is for sure entitled)
2)Remember how FW treated me in the divorce (I was stunned how little FW thought I was worth..so much for making amends!)
3) Remember that what I thought was love on my end was more like trauma bonding and what I thought was kindness on their end was more like manipulation.

That usually does the trick. It’s not so much that I personally miss FW because they were so wonderful to me. It’s more like quitting an unhealthy habit and getting an itch.

FuckWitFree
FuckWitFree
1 year ago

Great comments here. At first, I found almost obsessive like research about narcs and cheaters helpful. Podcasts and YouTubes. Then as more time passed I felt I needed less autopsy and more healing. So now I seek out self treatments and healings where ever I can find them. Creating new neural pathways wherever I can find them in all sorts of ways. If anyone out in CL land has good book or podcast suggestions concerning brain rewiring I’d love to hear it. Love the ideas of new routines, walks, nature, pets, calm kindness, soothe, etc. I’m grateful to all of you!

JeffWashington
JeffWashington
1 year ago

I am glad that you are off the Hamster Wheel finally!

I myself have been struggling with this lately. It might be a “that time of year” kind of deal for me. Or just general exhaustion attempting to lead me back to a previous place of comfort.

A lot of what I have struggled with since my fuckwit upended my life has been deprogramming myself from her. We were together for the better part of 14 years and were all but married(and the further I get from atmo on that-the more happy I am that we were never legally bound). As previously iterated, we were best friends for much of that time.

While I come to regret it now-I placed what turned out to be far too much stock in her and what she said. Too much reliance. Too much trust. And well…for the most part-I was supposed to.

And then it was kinda rough for a year. And then things kinda got better. And then she was gone.

Like I said-deprogramming. I went to her for comfort and reassurance when I struggled. She kept me strong and sane through the hardest parts of my life. I thought it was always going to be that way. Again-it’s supposed to be like that. She was my best friend. Have to look to myself for that anymore. It’s…hard sometimes. But it’s working. Turns out that I was always good enough…strong enough. The fringe benefit I have found in her betrayal is that it actually did a pretty good job overall of weening me off of her.

There remain, of course, the pangs that hit me in darker moments.

I have to remind myself of what she became. That it was completely OK to her to hurt and betray me. That all of the “I don’t want to lose you and I will fight to keep you as a friend if anything happens” was another well scripted lie in service of her aggrandizement.

There is nobody to go to. That person is well and truly dead. “Twisted and evil.”