Bill Gates Has a Sadz About His Divorce

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In Bill Gates’ new autobiography Source Code he confesses how sad he is about his divorce from Melinda Gates. But glosses over the cheating part.

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Even one of the world’s richest and most philanthropic men, Bill Gates, can still be a sad sausage when it comes to divorce. This week, the Times (UK) set the woe-is-me tone with its interview with Gates, about Source Code, Gates’ new autobiography. The article begins with the tragic death of Gates’ only teenage friend Kent, and winds its way to his divorced dad blues.

Bill Gates suffers like the rest of us.

The last time we met, it was as the pandemic was ending and Gates was suffering empty (vast) nest syndrome. His marriage of 27 years to Melinda French had just ended, his three children had left home for college and he was rattling around his 66,000sq ft Lake Washington mansion, nicknamed Xanadu 2.0, with its 6 kitchens and 24 bathrooms, its sand from the Caribbean and Leonardo da Vinci manuscript in the library, living on takeaways. 

Poor oligarch, alone with only his Kung Pao chicken.

Have things improved for Bill since Melinda and the children left him? Did he get a new Da Vinci manuscript? A 25th bathroom? You’ll all be relieved to know he’s keeping his chin up in the face of this adversity. Namely, the consequences of his wife leaving him over his wandering dick.

The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation would soon just become Bill’s. They no longer had their joint book club, meditated together or went on walks where he would brush away the cobwebs in her path. “I’m more cheerful now,” he says. As one of the few billionaires who managed to have anything resembling a normal family life, he almost appeared to have it all. “That was the mistake I most regret,” he admits of his unravelled marriage.

Mistake singular. Of course.

How could Melinda give up the guy who sweeps cobwebs from her path? Such is his consideration of spiders.

Melinda did Most Things. Where is my appliance?

His parents lived happily together for 45 years. Did he want to replicate their marriage and his childhood for his own family? “Absolutely. I encouraged Melinda to be a little calmer than my mother was, but we were both quite driven. I spent more time with the kids than my dad did, but the ratio was still 10:1, with Melinda doing most things for the kids. We had a great time.”

UBT translation: “I had a great time with the 10:1 ratio of Melinda’s labor to mine.”

Still the appliance had a few bugs as compared to Mom Appliance 1.0. Bill reprogrammed to “calmer” in the Beta version.

They always appeared to be a good match. She teased him when he appeared distant and distracted, and got him to lay the table and help with homework.

Keep at it, Bill. You might make the ratio 10:2.

He said he felt lucky in life and love too. “There is a certain wonderfulness to spending your entire adult life with one person because of the memories and depth of things you have done and having kids together. When Melinda and I met, I was fairly successful but not ridiculously successful — that came during the time that we were together. So, she saw me through a lot. When we got divorced it was tough and then she made the decision to leave the foundation — I was disappointed that she took the option to go off.”

Interesting way to phrase it. You’re “disappointed” she went off. And regret the divorce. Every chump knows this subtle blameshift well. The divorce is the tragedy — not the actions that led to it. Bill Gates is, like every cheater, mystified by divorce. The nebulous cloud that descends and robs good people of their partner appliances.

Let’s break from The Time of London’s reverie here for a moment to review what exactly Melinda Gates got fed up with.

Gates sexually pursued women at Microsoft. And he protected other sexual predators in the workplace. According to the New York Times, in 2018 Melinda Gates wanted an internal investigation of sexual harassment claims against a Microsoft manager, and Bill went around her and settled the matter privately and kept the guy on.

He also had a long-term affair with an employee, over which he had to resign from the board at Microsoft.

And then there was the ongoing whatever-it-was with the Grand Poobah of Perverts, Jeffery Epstein. The NYT reports:

And then there was Jeffrey Epstein, whom Mr. Gates got to know beginning in 2011, three years after Mr. Epstein, who faced accusations of sex trafficking of girls, pleaded guilty to soliciting prostitution from a minor. Ms. French Gates had expressed discomfort with her husband spending time with the sex offender, but Mr. Gates continued doing so, according to people who were at or briefed on gatherings with the two men.

So, in October 2019, when the relationship between Mr. Gates and Mr. Epstein burst into public view, Ms. French Gates was unhappy. She hired divorce lawyers, setting in motion a process that culminated this month with the announcement that their marriage was ending

But, hey, mistake singular. He “takes responsibility” but never offers specifics on what exactly he’s responsible for.

Back to The Times of London hagiography.

Gates was accused of having met Jeffrey Epstein before he died, a man Melinda called “evil personified”. Overnight he seemed to slip from sainthood to sinner. But having interviewed Gates six times over the past few years, he’s a hard billionaire not to like as he enthusiastically bombards you with figures and graphs. He is punctilious, polite and rational — his mind is constantly whirling as he doodles away on a notepad — though he rarely makes eye contact.

I’m always charmed by people who don’t make eye contact. Aren’t you? He’s a hard billionaire not to like! Which is a sentence that implies that you hang out with a lot of billionaires, and among them, Bill Gates is the tops.

Bill Gates admits his divorce was a ‘failure.’

Is his divorce the only failure in his life? “You would have to put that at the top of the list. There are others but none that matter. The divorce thing was miserable for me and Melinda for at least two years.” Now he is with Paula Hurd, the widow of the former Oracle boss Mark Hurd.

Imagine Paula’s pick-me dance. Hey, Paula, you’re nice and everything, but Melinda is the one who got away.

Also, once again the divorce is the failure. If it were up to Bill, they’d still be married, but Melinda had to go and ruin everything. And what did all that uppityness get her? Misery! They were BOTH “miserable for at least two years.” Notice the false equivalency, how they both suffer. Not Bill put Melinda through a world of suffering. But play your cards right, Paula, and this cobweb-sweeping dreamboat could be yours.

“Melinda and I still see each other — we have three kids and two grandchildren so there are family events. The kids are doing well. They have good values.”

Yeah, because Melinda raised them. 10:1.

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kbchump
kbchump
8 months ago

That is the first take away I got when I read this article yesterday how he says me and Melinda both were miserable for two years. How in the hell does he know if she was miserable? She was probably relieved…. What a putz!

Josh McDowell
Josh McDowell
8 months ago

Looks like there was an error in his source code.

ChumpedAndDumped
ChumpedAndDumped
8 months ago
Reply to  Josh McDowell

Modeling his life like Microsoft products. First version was a little buggy, but he’ll get that fixed with v2.0.

Josh McDowell
Josh McDowell
8 months ago

He was chasing 00s with his 1.

Last edited 8 months ago by Josh McDowell
thelongrun
thelongrun
8 months ago
Reply to  Josh McDowell

Damn, Josh McDowell! I almost choked on the carrots I was eating at lunch when I read your zinger!🤣

Josh McDowell
Josh McDowell
8 months ago
Reply to  thelongrun

He’s sad because she CTRL ALT DEL and switched to another user.

Last edited 8 months ago by Josh McDowell
braincramped
braincramped
8 months ago

He is so miserable he fell into the arms of his next “true love”. I guarantee once over the stigma of a public divorce and making sure her children were protected, Melinda French is living every day as Tuesday.

I know
I know
8 months ago

Paula Hurd was mark’s AF. SOURCE: I worked at the same org where she was a sales person in the territory he managed. All of this was widely (and is) widely known within the industry.

These people suck and deserve each other.

Good for Melinda to drop the FW.

thelongrun
thelongrun
8 months ago
Reply to  I know

I know, did you mean Paula was her husband’s AP before he married her? I’m not sure what you’re saying about her being Mark’s AF, otherwise. Feel free to enlighten me if I’m missing the obvious!😁

Disfor
Disfor
8 months ago
Reply to  I know

I wonder when Bill and Paula got together – Melinda got divorce lawyers in mid-2019 and Paula’s husband Mark died in very late 2019. I can’t find when Bill and Paula started seeing each other – or having contact with each other. Just that their relationship was officially announced in 2023. I have no experience in this, but what kind of grieving period would be normal after a decades long marriage and your husband/wife dies? I ask because of Sheryl Sandberg who I mentioned in another comment here – she started dating her boyfriend half a year after her husband suddenly died and I already find that strange. (There are of course also the “s/he was probably involved in her/his death” cases, like The Golden Bachelor, who made a move on a new much younger woman two weeks after his much wealthier wife who had once again funded this narcissist’s life, died. He had not been cheating with this woman prior, but made a move on her. She was really baffled when she later found out just how recently widowed he actually was.)

susie lee
susie lee
8 months ago
Reply to  Disfor

I think the timing of moving on depends on the person and the situation. Maybe Sheryl’s husband was a great guy and they had a great marriage, or maybe he was a cheating dick. Who knows.

I can’t stand the concept of that stupid Bachelorette/Bachelor show. Most reality shows are like that though.

Disfor
Disfor
8 months ago
Reply to  susie lee

If her husband was a terrible person, she should heal a bit first…

susie lee
susie lee
8 months ago
Reply to  Disfor

Sure, and maybe she did. I just think it is different for everyone. Some folks can bounce back and go back to life, others take longer.

Mr Wonderfuls Ex
Mr Wonderfuls Ex
8 months ago
Reply to  I know

Sounds like water found its level, then.

I know
I know
8 months ago
Reply to  I know

AP- Paula as marks sidepiece (one of many) during his marriage #1

thelongrun
thelongrun
8 months ago
Reply to  I know

Ok, seeing this now. Thanks for clearing that up.😊

Chumpty Dumpty
Chumpty Dumpty
8 months ago

Writing from the other side of the pond: I’m not super-familiar with the Times: is this piece written by a PR firm hired by Bill Gates?

Also, my ex would like to hire them, the exact same thing happened to him!!

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
8 months ago
Reply to  Chumpty Dumpty

Actually the Times of London– owned by Rupert Murdoch, who’s nearly single-handedly destroyed the fourth estate around the globe with his politicized and commercialized brand of “jOuRnALiSm”– is basically a PR firm for whoever pays or supports Murdoch’s semi-fascist ideology.

There’s an brilliant dark comic play from the eighties by playwright Howard Benton about Murdoch’s rise to global power titled “Pravda.” Anyone who wants to understand how news media became corrupted should read or see it. I would have liked to see the original stage production with Anthony Hopkins playing the Murdoch character. It must have been amazing.

The New York Times is pretty much the same but they play the modern game of publishing actual journalism here and there but only in order to grub credit as as the be-all/end-all of progressive news and then periodically cash that credit in by promoting heinous agendas for industrial sponsors (like the entire Iraq war).

Last edited 8 months ago by Hell of a Chump
ChumpNoMore
ChumpNoMore
8 months ago
Reply to  Chumpty Dumpty

Part of the Murdoch press empire. Owns Fox News. Nuff said.

GoodFriend
GoodFriend
8 months ago

. But glosses over the cheating on her part.
When I read this, I thought “cheating on her part” meant that she was cheating, not that it meant he glosses over the part about him, Bill, cheating on her. I was relieved I had misread it.

What’s truly sad is that this megabillionaire, who at this post-divorce time has nothing to lose financially and has full control of his autobiography, apparently still can’t bring himself to say he cheated and lied and he’s sorry for doing so.

He’s said elsewhere he’s sorry for causing his family pain, but not for what. That could mean missing an event, working long hours. I spent more time with the kids than my dad did, but the ratio was still 10:1, with Melinda doing most things for the kids. We had a great time.” Great during the time they had together, apparently less than one-tenth of their family time with Melinda. Maybe because instead he took time, and doesn’t seem to say he’s sorry, for having an extended affair, covering up for creeps, and allegedly chasing interns. Nope, he’s just sadz for the “divorce thing” that apparently fell out of the sky and made him and Melinda miserable for two years. What about the kids? What about her feelings prior to that, when she discovered his varied betrayals and cheating? And while she may be at meh, what about her regrets at being married to a lying cheater for so long?

The description of his book: “the human, personal story of how Bill Gates became who he is today: his childhood, his early passions and pursuits. It’s the story of his principled grandmother and ambitious parents, his first deep friendships and the sudden death of his best friend; of his struggles to fit in and his discovery of a world of coding and computers in the dawn of a new era; of embarking in his early teens on a path that took him from midnight escapades at a nearby computer center to his college dorm room, where he sparked a revolution that would change the world. Bill Gates tells this, his own story, for the first time: wise, warm, revealing…”

But not too revealing. That would mean admitting to real flaws and wrong-doing. I wonder what his principled grandmother would think of him.

Cam
Cam
8 months ago
Reply to  GoodFriend

If this autobiography is Gates’ idea of sounding human, then this dude is hopelessly out of touch. He claims he’s “more cheerful” now, alone in his big mansion, but in the next breath says he regrets the divorce (and admits it’s because his wife obviously carried the marriage).

To say nothing of the reveal that he’s remarried and has a new wife he should be focused on!

His narrative is all over the place and doesn’t make sense. Gates sound like a narcissistic robot.

MichelleShocked
MichelleShocked
8 months ago

The writer of the Times (UK) piece sounds like a terrible source. This quote told me everything I needed to know: “Gates was accused of having met Jeffrey Epstein before he died, a man Melinda called “evil personified”. Overnight he seemed to slip from sainthood to sinner. But having interviewed Gates six times over the past few years, he’s a hard billionaire not to like as he enthusiastically bombards you with figures and graphs. He is punctilious, polite and rational — his mind is constantly whirling as he doodles away on a notepad — though he rarely makes eye contact.”

He’s “hard not to like”? Bill bombards you with figures and graphs, doodles the entire time and won’t look at you? Sounds like the writer was given fancy food and expensive things and enamored by it all. If Bill weren’t a rich guy in a mansion with 24 bathrooms (seriously — and why 6 kitchens??), imagine interviewing a guy SIX times who still doodles while you’re talking to him, won’t make eye contact and keeps throwing graphs at you to distract you from your point.

Let’s be real, he’s just image managing. It’s pretty clear he’s got a secret sexual basement or other creepy going on. Melinda was his beard. So the only regret he has about the divorce is that she is no longer there to make him look like a good guy.

Cam
Cam
8 months ago

Agreed, this journalist has an agenda. Wouldn’t be surprised if Gates bought them off.

By the time Gates and Epstein were hanging out, the latter was already 3 years out from a conviction for sex trafficking girls. No shit Melinda would be upset her husband was hanging out with a convicted sex offender!

The journalist acts like Melinda’s being unreasonable and Bill’s some long-suffering victim.

weedfree
weedfree
8 months ago
Reply to  Cam

It is absolutely pathetic like those fallen football heroes that do something nefarious and unforgivable then a year or so later are changed men, back in the public eye etc. In Australia the list is endless, the worst among them must be Wayne Carey whose antics of which there are many include glassing one of his girlfriends but “hasn’t he been punished enough.” I don’t think this sort of public enabling of abusers helps the average FW, who is usually also deluded and believes he is a misunderstood fallen hero, understand he won’t be getting multiple second chances.

Last edited 8 months ago by weedfree
Bluewren
Bluewren
8 months ago
Reply to  weedfree

Yep- just an abusive predatory arsehole, but look at him straight back into the limelight with it all brushed under the rug and enabled by his fellow ex footy and sport commentator nongs- all disrespectful of women and proud of it.
No wonder the average man fancies his chances of getting away with the same.

susie lee
susie lee
8 months ago

“Overnight he seemed to slip from sainthood to sinner. ”

No (IMHO) it didn’t happen overnight, BG had turned to the dark side before he sought out Epstein. If he hadn’t and he wanted marital advice, he would have gone to someone like Jimmy Carter.

Adelante
Adelante
8 months ago

I thought something similar about the interviewer. Six interviews with Gates as his most manipulative charming. Yet apparently his six interviews with Gates are supposed to count more than Melinda’s 27 years with him.

xojoliemoore
xojoliemoore
8 months ago
Reply to  Adelante

Ugh. I hate this. “He’s such a nice guy. I talked to him for fifteen minutes at a party after having three wines. I can’t imagine why you divorced.”

Stepbystep
Stepbystep
8 months ago

 “I need to stay close,” Gates said. “Whoever gets to enthuse President Trump about the right things, that is God’s work.”

Apparently, Melinda understood that Gates was responsible for his own actions.

susie lee
susie lee
8 months ago
Reply to  Stepbystep

Exactly. He chose his own path.

Emma C
Emma C
8 months ago

10:1 is exponentially too low. For every 10 times she cleaned a toilet, did he clean 1 toilet? Not likely. For every 10 calls/meetings with schools, did he make 1 of the meetings? Not likely.

It’s much closer to 10:zero

Chumpty Dumpty
Chumpty Dumpty
8 months ago
Reply to  Emma C

10:0 fer shure! My ex hasn’t cleaned a toilet in his life.

Disfor
Disfor
8 months ago
Reply to  Emma C

Was Melissa French a SAHM? And if so: to the (former or current) SAHMs – what level of (no?) household and childcare would have been acceptable to you in a good partnership? A husband that I knew in my teen years is one of the earliest narcissist’s I know other than my dad. He did zero and did not want to even have contact with his children (they all lived together). All his children were severely disordered and it was very clear why to me even as a teenager (I did not know about narcissism at the time).

Disfor
Disfor
8 months ago

The eye contact is his autism. Unfortunately we as humans have it completely wrong when it comes to eye contact: we believe folks that can’t keep eye contact are lying. The reality is that psychopaths and sociopaths etc. have been shown to be able to hold eye contact much longer than any sane person and even that they blink much less. A certain type of psychopath stare has been described as “psychopath hypnotic stare” in several survivor guide books. I wish I’d known that – my FW does that thing. It is not comparable to normal (neurotypical) looking into your eyes. It’s much more intense. Gives me the chills as I can still picture it in front of my internal eye.
I have trained myself very hard to hold long eye contact to not seem suspicious. My voice still gives me the Horn effect though.

Of course, Bill Gates is still a FW and douche. On him stopping the sexual harassment investigation: Sheryl Sandberg (the “Lean In” lady, who argued in her book that women just are silly sensible flowers who have only themselves to blame if their career is not on the same level as men’s) exerted immense pressure (threats etc) on media and an internal investigation to stop her then boyfriend from being exposed as a serial sexual harasser. The galls of that… (insert fav swear word here).

CountryChumpkin
CountryChumpkin
8 months ago
Reply to  Disfor

Thank you for this point. The doodling sounds like a possible stim, too. It was the only bit of this post I didn’t like. The rest was awesome. I really hope Melinda French happens to read it one day.

Disfor
Disfor
8 months ago

Yes, sorry, of course. I should have mentioned that too. The doodling is a stim. One could think that both are to make him look less suspicious, but I have seen a few interviews with him (although this was years ago) and he doesn’t seem … “smooth” or charismatic in any way.

Something else I want to add on autism: there are some studies that find a connection between stress to the mother during pregnancy and autism in the child (since there is assumed a genetic factor as well, that would most likely involve switched on an existing predisposition). That would be… something – of course my mother was stressed during her pregnancy with me. She was married to a grandiose devaluing narcissist after all! (Oddly at least to both my and her knowledge no cheating during the marriage. Maybe he was just too “high” on just himself.)

LookingForwardsToTuesday
LookingForwardsToTuesday
8 months ago

I guess when you are that rich it’s not too hard to get someone to write something to gloss over a track record that includes being a known Cheater and confidant of Jeffery Epstein.

Also, who needs 6 kitchens in one house?

LFTT

susie lee
susie lee
8 months ago

Agreed, six kitchens in one house is an apartment complex. It is one of the reasons rich folks wagging their fingers at Joe and Jill everyday telling them they need to have less so others can have more is just inane.

Bluewren
Bluewren
8 months ago

A greedy arsehole, that’s who.
It seems he’s a glutton with women, too.
Money certainly didn’t improve him as a person.

2xchump
2xchump
8 months ago

When you are having sex with other people and you are married and wish to hide it so you can have cake..you bring the miserable home with you and start pulling away and acting beneath dignity. .we know all the devaluing..all the irritableness, all the YOU ARE NOT ENOUGH. The spouse responds to try harder and it goes nowhere as the goal posts move. So the miserable has a cause and then you are BOTH UNHAPPY so this is a reason to blame and increase the WE ARE BOTH NOT HAPPY story and keep doing more.
I emailed Melissa after I saw her TV interview which is on YOUTUBE. She has not responded but i mentioned
Tracys book. Can we send her a book??Melissas words are courageous and she is mighty. Still, these cheaters want us to be nice for the impression management and say we are fine with all of it and we are still being nice for the kids and happier for it.Cake and kibble sadly. Whatever …Jeffrey Epstein was disgusting but he had plenty of women who helped him groom and hurt young girls. He was reprehensible but died avoiding human judgment. This is why I believe in God. Justice for all the horror he and Bill Gates and a slew of others propagated on children. A mill stone around the neck. ..righteous anger is allowed.

2xchump
2xchump
8 months ago
Reply to  2xchump

Correction..MELINDA FRENCH…I took my maiden name back too. It shows chutzpah!

Bluewren
Bluewren
8 months ago

But …but I have all this money!
I’m an amazing person – every one says so!
Why would you want to leave meeeee?

It’s a great shame he can’t reboot and upgrade his own settings to ‘Decent Human ‘ with the bonus ‘Honourable Man’ app.

No amount of money will buy him those features.

OHFFS
OHFFS
8 months ago

“I encouraged Melinda to be a little calmer than my mother was.”

Example:

Melinda; “Bill, why are you protecting that creep at work?”

Bill; “Stop nagging and overreacting! I’ve told you and told you not to be like my mother!”

Samsara
Samsara
8 months ago
Reply to  OHFFS

Ugh! Just gross. So patronizing and superior in his tone there. Who TF even says something like that? Rhetorical
Omg I could not be with a guy like that for a hot second let alone married for 27 years. Melinda is having the last laugh.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
8 months ago
Reply to  OHFFS

Lol. I think the psychobabble-ese for that is “influence by association.” There are apparently positive forms– like erecting an extreme ideal comparison which someone else might feel frantically compelled to live up to. And there are negative forms, sort of like the “dog-training” FWs do with affair partners by pillorying chumps. Every time they trash chumps to the AP, what they’re really saying is “Don’t be like the evil, nagging, agency-requiring, boundary-setting, humiliating-sex-act-averse loser I’m married to!”

What a lot of APs read this as is “I can win this pickme dance by having no agency, spine, boundaries, opinions, independence, self-esteem or pain threshold! I’m in!”

Disfor
Disfor
8 months ago

I really need to stop procrastinating, but there’s even more – just googled Bill Gates a bit: Bill Gates was in a relationship with Ann Winblad from 1984 until 1987. He didn’t quite broke off with Ann Winblad when he met Melinda. “When I was off on my own thinking about marrying Melinda, I called Ann and asked for her approval,” he said, after it emerged that he’d made pros and cons list before getting hitched. In turn, Winblad said she approved of their match because Melinda “had intellectual stamina” before the former (?!) lovers confirmed Bill’s wife allowed their spring getaways to continue every year. Bill continued his annual spring getaway with former flame at her beach house on the Outer Banks of North Carolina after he got married. In a Jan 1997 Time magazine portrait, the magazine noted that this yearly vacation had gone on for “more than a decade.”

This sounds more like Camilla and Charles tbh…

In a biography “by New York Times journalist Anupreeta Das paints an unflattering portrait of one of the world’s richest men, offering salacious details about his alleged infidelity that left his wife Melinda French Gates “seething for a long time.”It was “not unusual for Gates to flirt with women and pursue them, making unwanted advances such as asking a Microsoft employee out to dinner while he was still the company’s chairman,” Das wrote in her book. According to Das, French Gates personally overhauled her husband’s security team due to her concerns that they were “enabling him to be places where [she] didn’t know he was at.” The book also reported that his wife ordered the couple’s housekeepers not to give out his direct phone number when women called the house. The nerdy mogul “assumed his behavior would have no consequences,” according to Das, who wrote that the marriage eventually ended because of “different notions about the meaning of a marital contract.” While she “genuinely believed being married would make a difference because of her deep belief in its sanctity,” Bill Gates thought that “love and marriage can often mean two different things,” according to Das. The tycoon’s wandering eye allegedly extended to young women working at the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. According to Das, Gates “flirted with some of the interns at the Gates Foundation, putting them in the uncomfortable position of having to think about their career prospects while not wanting to be hit on by the boss.”

Last edited 8 months ago by Disfor
Elsie_
Elsie_
8 months ago
Reply to  Disfor

I’ve read similar sources. He was a predator who misused his power. He wanted all the trappings of a family and the freedom to “explore.” She tried to make work with all the end-runs until it didn’t.

Melinda finally hit the breaking point, and ended it. Who could blame her? When I read that she had left their foundation to focus on issues affecting women and children, I applauded her. I remember a quote about choosing to set her own agenda after leaving their foundation.

Go, Melinda, go.

thelongrun
thelongrun
8 months ago

I have never, ever liked Bill Gates or Microsoft since he/they came out with Windows ‘95 (I became a solid Mac fanboy instead, right as Steve Jobs started flirting with coming back to Apple). But Bill Gates always epitomized to me the jerk geek.

He’s not really a tech visionary, but he was aggressive as hell as a businessman. In other words, an asshole.

So, when I heard through CL that he was hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein and fooling around on Melinda, I was not at all surprised. And I’m very happy for her that she’s free of him.

I can’t claim that I know for certain about this, but again, another billionaire that tried and seemed to raise his children well was Steve Jobs. To my mind, a pretty good antithesis of Gates. Actual tech visionary. Have not heard of him having screwed around on his wife, Lauren Powell Jobs. Not perfect (far from it), and also could be ruthless in business and as a boss. Still…

hush
hush
8 months ago

I always thought a primary reason Melinda filed when she did was due to Bill’s longtime affair with Ann Winblad getting crazier, and some fuckery Bill had with wanting to essentially leave their 3 children none of their parents’ estate (a la his buddy Warren Buffett – except giving a lot of it to OW Ann Winblad), plus of course the Jeffrey Epstein friendship Bill refused to quit… and the workplace predators Bill himself both was and enabled.

What a Fuckwit!

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
8 months ago

Lol, There’s a chance Gates is going to personally read this post and all the comments.

As people in the eco arena discovered, Gates likes to keep his “thumb on the pulse of public opinion” (i.e., obsess about his own centrality, ferociously image-manage and combat even the most obscure threat to his many toxic or unethical investments). Rumor has it that his minions track even off-the-beaten path sources of criticism so he can counter any budding darkening of public opinion with public virtue signalling which he gets publicized in major media sources he sponsors.

Some people thought he pettily had critics hacked and even falsely flagged by Homeland Security because… massive reach and FWitty abuse of power. But I think mostly we should all expect the Guardian’s Gates Foundation-sponsored global health page to break out in a sudden rash of Esther Perel.

Last edited 8 months ago by Hell of a Chump
weedfree
weedfree
8 months ago

If that’s the case, Hi Bill, you dirty old dog.
I’m picking up some bs there in his “the kids have good values” comment. No doubt this was something important to Melinda that he stole from her, since he probably doesn’t have a soul, and in a year or two he will be claiming credit for them having good values, no thanks to their villainous mother who he was forced to divorce due to her moral turpitude etc. Better get the creative writing team working on it Bill.
Gotta love a bit of identity inversion.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
8 months ago
Reply to  weedfree

Identity inversion– I had to look that up! Are you suggesting Gates sometimes dresses up as Melinda as he rattles around his massive estate nibbling Kung Pao chicken? 😀

Oh, and moral turpitude– hahaha. My sometimes nomme de guerre as an eco warrior was Gnostical Turpitude, the nonsensical capital crime that the protagonist of Nabokov’s Invitation to a Beheading is condemned for.

That was back when Gates was weirdly and nonsensically equating anti-GMO whistleblowers and activists with “terrorists” for trying to rob the world of supposedly life-saving BT corn and GM soy… never mind GM farmers offing themselves in India, fatally deformed babies born to agrarian workers in South America and rats with tumors the size of, well, rats.

He seemed like a big joke at the time, thus the alias. But this was before it came to light that he may have formed super creepy ties to the security and surveillance industry and may even have been involved in various global military schemes. I’m not talking about the goofy rumors of weaponized mosquitos and “population culling” but more boring, bureaucratic involvement in coups and entryism and surveillance that few have even heard about much less discuss.

Sigh, it was fun to poke the bear back in the days before nonviolent pipeline activists nearly got limbs blown off and climate change activists started getting years in prison for even planning to block traffic or for throwing soup at plexiglass. And frankly a lot of this is happening because of the seeds of militarized language were intentionally sown by philanthrocapitalists like Gates.

That’s also kind of Nabokovian. In Bend Sinister, I think Nabokov was trying to show how intelligent people are particularly prone to underestimate the silly early-stage clowning of fascists and other totalitarian marauders (like Einstein writing off Hitler as a joke at first) and will be basically laughing themselves sick right up to the point that these idiots destroy everything they ever loved.

Anyway, Gates’ strained analogy wasn’t as silly as it seemed at first. Once philanthrocapitalistis declare some kind of “war on” something or other– like “war on drugs,” “war on hunger,” etc.– the dark side of the war analogy becomes evident, such as casting anyone who calls out the hypocrisy of these faux-philanthropic industrial profit schemes as “enemies” or “terrorists” which can easily end with treating them not-so-analogously and very literally as such.

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weedfree
weedfree
8 months ago

Identity inversion i was just making it up cos I am not sure what you call the process of stealing someone’s soul and then claiming it for yourself – I didn’t know it could be a type of paraphilic disorder, that makes a lot of sense (deep dive coming up). I was thinking more of the narcissist mirroring the target’s identity, adopting it as their own and erasing the target’s connection to their own identity to maintain the illusion, including implanting their own unwanted traits, values, experiences into the target. That was certainly my experience with the fake socialist thing, with FW stealing everything from my quirky frugal fashion sense at university through to behaving as if he was from a working class background and I was privileged and trying to take advantage of him (no doubt he told people in his socialist circles my life experiences were his, his were mine etc). But yeah, do women FWs do this to the extent men do, or is it some sort of kink.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
8 months ago
Reply to  weedfree

Yeah, I’d never heard of identity inversion. Maybe if it was explored beyond paraphilia, they’d find elements of what you’re talking about– that weird copycatting and “identity shopping” that some disordered people do during the idealization stage.

Though there are some very psychobabbly descriptions of it that I have trouble wrapping my head around, maybe some of what you’re talking about could fall under projective identification since it’s sometimes depicted as a two-way street (though only the perpetrators instigate or have control). In regards to rape, some researchers hypothesize that destroying the identities and self perceptions of victims is part of the draw. Couple that with perpetrators projecting and displacing their own guilt and evil traits onto victims in order to justify victimization and how, because perpetrators are so dementedly convinced of victims’ deservingness of punishment, this can have a powerful spellbinding effect on victims who can come away feeling actually guilty of crimes they didn’t commit.

But does this also include perpetrators almost “vampiring” personality traits and a sense of innocence from attacking the innocent, sort of like eating the heart of one’s enemy? Hmm! Mas investigationes, por favor.

weedfree
weedfree
8 months ago

This reminds me several years ago a friend was subject to a non lethal strangulation (survived but several months later had a serious stroke). She said one of the bizarre aspects of the assault was her partner put his other hand across her face/eyes so he couldn’t see her- identity erasure perhaps? The whole thing was horrible since we were both working in DV together at the time and I didn’t realise, she didn’t report.
There was some other research i came across years ago on why abusers target certain parts of the victim’s body during assaults along the lines it aligned with eroding and erasing different parts of the identity the abuser was most threatened by/wanted to annihilate.

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Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
8 months ago
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Of course the stroke related to the assault. I hope the guy was held responsible for the stroke as well but that’s a lot to expect of the justice system in most countries.

Gruesome topic but I always think that, if someone has to suffer something, it’s not really asking too much for others think about it, especially if analysis helps stop the crimes from happening or helps in supporting survivors. So– brace myself– here goes:

Maybe because eyes tend to bug out and fill with blood during strangulation, it’s possible that covering the eyes might be a slightly “squeamish” gesture, especially by inexperienced perpetrators. Apparently “practice” tends to reduce the squeamishness issue over time.

It also might relate to a folk myth that the eyes “record” the last moments before death and can identify the killer. Soviet era serial killer Andrei Chikatilo admitted this is why he stabbed the eyes of victims. But I think you definitely have a point that erasing the “windows to the soul/identity” might be part of it.

Batterers reportedly target faces and reproductive sites a lot. The latter is sometimes said to be an attempt to conceal injuries under clothes but why not legs and backs more than breasts and other reproductive areas? Closed brain injuries are common and frequently go undiagnosed. Maybe it depends on how dumb the perpetrator is if they think selfhood resides in places (like eyes, mouth) though which selfhood “shows” rather than the brain. And then an extreme misogynist who reduces all women to sexual function might simply believe that the locus of selfhood in women mainly resides in sexuality so selfhood might still be the target of sexualized attacks.

weedfree
weedfree
8 months ago

Nope none of that (re consequences) because, ya know, betrayal blindness. She separated from him at least so is now safe. Years ago we stayed in Cambodia with a lady who lived through the Khmer Rouge as a child and she said the dehumanisation process resulted in her questioning whether she was human or animal, and I imagine thats the end game for coercive controllers as well – the target who no longer values their own life is easier to control and ultimately kill.

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Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
8 months ago
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That makes me think of the German film The Lives of Others which (sorry, spoiler) is themed on how the former East German Stasi managed to drive so many people to suicide even though they prided themselves on “breaking souls, not bones.”

weedfree
weedfree
8 months ago
Reply to  weedfree

P.s 5 years ago I would never have been having this conversation. Thank you FW you have brought so much joy into my life.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
8 months ago
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I know. I was always good in chem, sociology and bio but I thought STEM careers would be watching paint dry. My main interest in science is about combating shitty weaponized science and propaganda– meaning my interest is political.

But now I feel like it would be impossible to live without knowing some of these things. I’m glad to be able to pass it on to the kids and watch how good theories tend to snowball their interest in various subjects and lead to wider and wider revelations. Even when the subjects are dark, the process seems to be joyous from all the shrieking laughter at dinner and excited sharing. Ping, ping, ping, they walk around life seeing the relevance all around and getting energized. For instance, my son just sent me this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94_5mXsQTpA&t=293s

Dare I hope it makes them safer too.

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weedfree
weedfree
8 months ago

Thanks i will check out the link. My discussions with my almost brainwashed but hopefully now unbrainwashed son are far less intellectual but still I think he has now seen the light (i.e we went for a hike up a mountain this week and he pointed to various points on a mountain in the distance where as a small boy his father took him on a multi day hike but tried to save time and money (but probably also to be superior, not follow the rules etc) by camping on the top of the mountain instead of at the designated camping spots using the cheapest tent on the market – my son has many stories of being dragged along in his father’s stupidity which he is now just processing and telling me about, falling off the back of vehicles, nearly getting robbed in Nigeria, getting arrested in Bali, all seemed like things that could have happened to any silly old duffer like FW but actually upon further investigation caused by narcissism (arguing with police that the local laws dont apply to white dickheads, refusing to pay for services provided by locals living in abject poverty accusing them of taking advantage of wealthy white man). Anyway to get to the point I said to my son remember that father in the Berenstain Bears “this is what you should not do, now let that be a lesson to you”. My son just laughed and said “yeah”.

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Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
8 months ago
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Love the cartoon wisdom. We’re kind of the same around here and I’m not sure how intellechull my kids are lol. It’s mostly shrieking about Epstein island at the dinner table. One son started doing a great impression of the “Brawndo” girl from Idiocracy after I explained “internalized misogyny.” Or, when some other kid in his animation class wondered why rich dudes like Bezos always want more money, he proclaimed for all the class to hear, “To buy more yachts and hookers.”

He cracks up his teachers, God bless ’em. Meanwhile it’s got to be agony for FW to have to listen to the running commentary. But even if it excoriates all his failings, none of the wisecracks are directly aimed at him so he can’t cry “alienation” or say boo about it without admitting he’s a tad Trumpish, Tate-ish or Weinsteinish himself.

FW’s discomfort about socio-sexual-political stuff might amuse me now but there’s really no truth to the charge that I weaponized the kids just to get at him since he once pretended to be Mr. Woke Ally. How was I to know he was a fraud? I was genuinely confused at the start of the affair when this kind of banter from the kids and the fact I laughed and basically encouraged it seemed to be slowly driving him apeshit. Like when the kids would natter on about, say, Woody Allen or Epstein, the color would start rising from FW’s neck, the veins in his temples would bulge, he’d get all stiff and silent and his eyes would bug a bit.

If that memory didn’t come with combat flashbacks of how he’d suddenly rage and tear into me afterwards over something seemingly unrelated, that would be a completely entertaining recollection.

weedfree
weedfree
8 months ago

this is very relatable – if anyone ever accuses me of alienation, i will be claiming i was just being ironic, satirical, etc of course i would never say a bad word about that lovely man – prior to separation i had ever increasing numbers of books about narcissists, psychopaths, abusers, looking behind the mask, wolves in sheep’s clothing, men who kill etc turning up in the house – i dont even know where half of them came from, i think the universe was trying to tell me something, i dunno just a liittle hint – a colleague with a feminist book hoarding issue posted me a box of stuff at one stage, the FW nearly tripped over it trying to get in the house – hahaa – my daughter’s room is filled with books on fighting the patriarchy, women in power, etc – the man didnt stand a chance

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
8 months ago
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Our bookcases are FW kryptonite lol. As I always say, we’re the hands that rocked the cradles and made the reading lists while they were off doing… whatever.

It felt very urgent to me to introduce the kids to sociopolitical whatnot since the moment they could speak in sentences because I remember how, as a tween and adolescent, any place where my political understanding was a bit weak and rickety was exactly where confusion, anxiety, doubt and even danger could slip in. And I remember the explosive, joyful moments when I read or heard something that “disabused” me of the bullshit.

I remember exactly where I was at these moments too. Like on that student project in DC when I found a book about the importance of women’s anger on the elegant veranda coffee table of the mom of a guy I was working with. 98F, the moon on the swimming pool, the Grecian pillars, smell of magnolias, the vintage dress I was wearing and the big explosion in my head. From that moment on, I never “ate my feelings” again. I was much lighter and freer and a bit less prone to gaslighting– at least the charge of being an angry, uppity bitch. Hah, yes indeed I am!

I think that experience is a kind of non-religious “metanoia” though I suppose there’s a kind of “repentance” in realizing you’ve been misinformed or not properly prepared and sometimes by people you trusted. That’s a crossroads for a lot of people. If the original purveyors of the misinformation (parents, role models) are authoritarian types, people can end up feeling “disloyal” and risk being orphaned for correcting it and so may simply double down on the bullshit and let it guide their lives. But if families supply not only the basic framework for understanding the world but also the tools of critical thinking by which the next generation can question what elders have taught them, they may feel freer to “repent” their influences.

I was lucky in that sense since my parents made it clear I could disagree with them even if they didn’t always provide the tools to do it with. That’s why I knew how important it was to arm the kids with everything they’d need to eventually disagree with me– what Primo Levi called “political and philosophical scaffolding.” Because, as Levi noted during his time in Auschwitz, without it people have less chance of surviving. In the camps the political prisoners tended to fare better than the simpler folk, at least being less prone to die of despair because some had deeply studied political tactics and understood that the main point of the camps was to morally drag victims down to the level of their captors– get victims to betray each other.

But it’s obviously very important that that “scaffolding” be true, not bullshit. My parents did their level best but, to quote my dad, “Shakespeare didn’t have the bomb.” They were missing some key information and were fuzzy on a few things and so, even with the best of intentions, they misled me here and there and I was aware enough to observe how each bit of misinfo or fuzzy comprehension could lead to real disaster.

For instance, it was very nice of them to teach me about women’s rights and civil rights but they didn’t quite manage to break down and warn about all the twisted interpersonal and political tactics of repression and coercion and the real price of resistance. If you’re going to raise critical thinkers, you also have to arm them to survive as “rugged individualists.” They also didn’t quite understand “scientism” but instead just went on life experience and instinct and grumpily rejected bad theories in science and bad treatments in medicine because they “sounded like hogwash.” Which would be fine if they were micromanaging my life and making all decisions for me but, beyond pushing me to get As in chem and bio, didn’t really supply me with tools and principles by which to do my own analyzing and rejecting of “arguments by (corrupt) authority.”

The woman who founded the survivor network I worked for used to call this the “But it’s just a daisy!” type of stubborn folk “simplicity” which can verge on anti-intellectualism. My parents weren’t that backwards but a lot of people react with exasperation or even anger to technical classification (magnoliopsida!) even if this is important to conveying important facts (daisies survive in desserts and contain compounds that may slow bleeding). That “simple gifts” attitude can be risky in an era when, again, laws and policies are often based on scientific theory for better or worse. It meant every shitty, destructive propaganda campaign came wrapped in sciency drivel and the bullshit was coming at people like a fire hose through supposedly “liberal” media and pundits. Or it came packaged in progressive-y seeming “art.” And it always relies on dividing generations by individually targeting each with tailored crap.

At least my parents gave me a copies of Backlash (boom) and Demonic Males (boom) when they first came out but, by my teens I already had a brain-full of corrosive bullshit to detox from. All the same I think it’s completely understandable that my parents were playing catch-up since, for one, they were both still processing their own compounded trauma (dad– childhood poverty, combat experience; mom– sexism, misogyny) at a time when there weren’t many tools to do this with. Also in the period since WWII and then the civil rights era, there’s been a feverish renaissance of deconstructing social evil and analyzing propaganda by sociologists, forensic psychologists, historians, political analysts, linguists, even novelists and poets that has no precedent. Well, maybe Shakespeare already said it all in iambic pentameter but his day didn’t have data or Gloria Steinem, bell hooks, Primo Levi, Richard Wrangham, Susan Faludi, James Baldwin, Andrea Dworkin, Tzvetan Todorov, Noam Chomsky, Eric Fromm, Chump Lady, etc., etc., etc.

weedfree
weedfree
8 months ago

You are a clever human HOAC. Your ex is an idiot. Sucks to be him.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
8 months ago
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Thank you. I’m a proud Midvale grad haha (assuming you’re a Far Side fan).

Speaking of cleverness, you know what I think is more important? People’s impulse to guard their basic uncorrupted innocence. That part of everyone who, as a child, would bawl their eyes out over seeing a puppy get hurt or goes all agog when the Christmas lights are turned on who will run to offer another baby their mittens, etc.

Some people have these traits beaten out of them before ever leaving childhood. But one thing I’ve noticed about certain “lofty” intellectual humanitarians is that, when you observe the really ride-or-die types closely, you can almost see glimpses the inner three year old self they still carry around. Like the laugh will be real and a bit goofily childlike. Or gormless little traits or the way they light up over an idea. Chomsky, Goodall, Wrangham– I’ve seen it from time to time. My mother and uncle were like this.

I suppose it’s possible to fake such a thing but someone would have to understand it to fake some of these traits so I imagine that would be the mark of a truly diabolical sociopath.There are also sociopaths who “relate” to vulnerable creatures but only because they project onto them (Hitler loved doggies, Tony Soprano loved duckies). But mostly I’ve seen abusive types become angry or even triggered into bullying when seeing traits like this in others– like “How dare you go around flaunting the very fragile vulnerability that would get me thrashed growing up and the very thing I’ve lost!!”

Anyway, I’ve wondered if part of the reason some people deep dive into intellectual pursuits with an ethical bent is because it actually takes quite a bit of complex thinking to defend one’s own baseline simplicity (in the good sense). Being intellectual about it was just what was required, not the point. If it’s the actual point– just holding court and blah-ditty-blahing and being viewed as an authority– I’d hardly trust anything they came up with. To mean anything, they need to be saving puppies and sharing mittens.

Maybe that’s what authenticity really means– not being “true” to whatever fucked up, corrupt, basement-dwelling secret impulses one has picked up along the way but having preserved the better parts of sensitive and life-affirming infancy. It might have very little to do with IQ.

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weedfree
weedfree
8 months ago
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P.s. i was given one book growing up- Flat Stanley – so can’t really relate, although I did at least come to appreciate the benefits of having a collapsible spine

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
8 months ago
Reply to  weedfree

HAHAHA. I had to look that up. I can definitely see the benefits. 😉

weedfree
weedfree
8 months ago

I had an epiphany the other day coinciding with reading about poor old Bill, that the narc who is devastated by the failure of his marriage is, other than the loss of control etc, also mortified that his marriage, choice of life partner, etc wasn’t the most superior, brilliant, magnificent joining of two people since Romeo and Juliet. It is just an extension of the narcissism. My FW wouldn’t even discuss separation, acknowledge any issues with the marriage, stonewalled, blocked me from leaving etc which I don’t entirely think was him trying to control me, but refusal to acknowledge our marriage was a complete and utter dud that I was trying to logically bring to an end. He just wouldn’t even accept that as a possibility because it meant he had made a poor decision in choosing me as a life partner. Not possible for a narc.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
8 months ago
Reply to  weedfree

Wait, you mean the joy of playing uber-victim doesn’t quite compensate for the failure to choose the perfect spouse-bot?

I wonder if there were a lot of wealthy narcs having massive identity crises and violent meltdowns after finding out the Tesla Model X they paid $100K for and bragged about turned out to be a huge lemon.

Not that chumps are lemons. More like Ferraris. We tend to throw rods when driven like rental cars.

weedfree
weedfree
8 months ago

There are no narc tragedies that cannot be remedied by a well positioned butt plug.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
8 months ago
Reply to  weedfree

Reminds me of a line from the Nirvana song All Apologies: “I wish I was like you/easily amused.”

Not really. Butt plugs don’t really amuse me. But it takes a lot more to distract me from life’s ups and downs. Mostly I just have to find actual solutions and deeper social connection to address existential woes.

weedfree
weedfree
8 months ago

I know wouldn’t it be lovely if an orgasm could fix everything

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
8 months ago
Reply to  weedfree

Or being fawned over! In my experience, the glowy satisfaction of empty praise lasts about one second before I start checking if I still have my wallet.

weedfree
weedfree
8 months ago

Hahahaha

weedfree
weedfree
8 months ago
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“Life partner” I might add for someone like that = someone they can control and mercilessly exploit until death do us part

weedfree
weedfree
8 months ago
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Interestingly once the FW had secured the back up supply in AP, unbeknownst to me, he then started making grand declarations in front of the kids that our marriage was far from normal, as if he made this shocking discovery. Classic revisionist history since he didn’t need me anymore the perfect marriage was now the worst in the world, plus a bit of a smear campaign thrown in, although God knows what he told people behind the scenes. They all use a similar playbook – no shared experience, just me me me.

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Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
8 months ago
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See “splitting” associated with Cluster B. Wikipedia (which varies in quality) has a pretty decent article on it. It relates to the tendency to idealize and devalue and then “triangulate” with exaggerated or fabricated smears to make bystanders hate and resent the target as much as the disordered individual does.

weedfree
weedfree
8 months ago

Yes it was some sort of splitting episode, setting up a narrative where FW is now the victim of a dysfunctional marriage that I didnt have the insight to realise and refused to acknowledge (projective identification). With a bit of “everyone stay calm” misogyny thrown in. A lot of mind bending mind fuckery with everyone being dragged along for the ride.
Run for your lives chumps.

weedfree
weedfree
8 months ago
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I might add the “identification” part didnt occur, despite the gaslighting, hence I was able to leave. I imagine for some chumps they are successfully brainwashed into believing the narrative they have trapped their poor helpless partner into a loveless marriage, from which the partner has no choice but to conduct a secret double life.

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Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
8 months ago
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I’m not sure if the chumps who get entrapped (well, I mean, those of us who stayed beyond the first red flags were kind of entrapped, yes?) are so much brainwashed into believing they’re actually the ogres and their abusers are actually the victims. But, to the degree that abusers play judge, jury, executioner AND parole board, some victims have it impressed upon them that, whether or not they’re actually guilty, if they’re “convicted” of the great crime of ogreness, their abusers are fully capable of carrying out the sentence. If victims have been systematically isolated, they may be all the more resigned to the unfairness.

To me, Stockholm syndrome is kind of like poor people falsely pleading guilty because they don’t have the money to pay for a good defense attorney and fear the greater punishment that comes with fighting the charges. Might as well confess and take the fifteen years rather than life or gas chamber. Then try to appeal later. But if they lose appeals and come up for parole hearings, they know they have to pretend they accept their “guilt.” In that sense, being entrapped in abuse is a lot like being caught in the justice system in an unjust society.

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weedfree
weedfree
8 months ago

You are absolutely right. After I left I was shocked to discover most of my friends and family didn’t have much regard for FW at all, even though they were still shocked he turned out to be a pathological liar, sex creep etc “we didn’t really know him” (my childhood friend and her husband who had known my husband for 25 years and we all lived overseas together), “i just thought he must be ok because you were married to him” “i thought he was weird” whereas I was convinced everyone thought he was a lovely wonderful person and I was some sort of ogre who would be judged harshly if I ever left. Brainwashing, much.

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Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
8 months ago
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I’ve dated people that friends panned but I think FW was unusually seamless and compartmentalized and fooled more people so most were shocked even if they immediately took my side. It’s a good thing too because by then I had no real family left.

My parents were much harder to fool than most but never meddled in my relationships once I was an adult, though I might find out after I’d broken it off with some boyfriend that they never thought much of him. But because my parents were far older than average when I was born, my dad died before the shit hit the fan in my marriage. So did my uncle. I don’t think that’s an accident. FW was terrified of my father’s and uncle’s low opinion and probably instinctively waited until I was pretty much orphaned to drop the mask. My mother was also fading by d-day so I didn’t confide in her to spare her the stress, then she died soon after. I can’t stand my cousins and cut them off when the last elder died so FW didn’t have to worry about losing inheritance or worry they’d come to the rescue either. They pick their moments as CL says.

My parents never knew the worst so I’ll never know if they harbored any reservations but it’s enough to know they would have instantly turned their backs on him if they had.

xojoliemoore
xojoliemoore
8 months ago

My ex could have written this. The lack of acknowledgment of wrongdoing is the exact problem that was xacerbated during the marriage. It’s true for most of my friends. Rich husbands think that if they paid the bills and showed up occasionally then the women should be fine, happy even.

I hear through the grapevine that my ex puts me on a pedestal to the new women. I don’t think it’s truth. I think it’s a way to control all the new women down the line. Because one thing rich men don’t lack is companionship. No matter their behavior, they’re not suffering the loneliness epidemic. And annoyingly having money is enough to have people and ‘newspapers’ bow down to their ‘greatness.’

Confused AF
Confused AF
8 months ago

OMG, so many awesome punchlines, I don’t know which one to pick and I’m still laughing. Thank you CL, this was hilarious and it truly made my day.

lulutoo
lulutoo
8 months ago

The minute I read about the interview with Gates, I thought Chumplady has GOT to cover this bs! And she did! I didn’t know he had a book coming out – although I should have! Why else the sad sausage interview?. Way to go, Chumplady!