Your Obligatory Brangelina Post

Oh Chump Nation, I have a dilemma. I just can’t seem to summon my powers of snark on the Brangelina divorce. I suppose it was inevitable. A.) Because the Other Woman is never THAT special. (Insert “If he’ll cheat with you, he’ll cheat on you” cliche here.) And B.) Anyone so invested in convincing me they are THAT fabulous is flying too close to the sun. You’re going to ignite and plummet to the ground. (See also Elizabeth Gilbert.) Hubris or spackle (what the hell are you covering up?), that shit is not sustainable.

I’m sorry Angelina, Brad Pitt wasn’t a prize. If the rumor mills are true, and she hired a PI and caught him cheating with a co-star, then I do commend her for lawyering up and dumping him immediately. The fact that she wants sole physical custody telegraphs she’s not into conscious uncoupling. She’s got him by the curly short hairs. Hey, if you’re going to divorce a cheater, that’s the way to do it.

But however shall she rebrand? What persona will she invest in next? A plucky, globetrotting single mother of six? UN Ambassador? London School of Economics professor? (She is one. And WTF LSE?! The Fabians are spinning in their graves.)

Perhaps she will get a new tattoo. Or adopt another kid. Or maybe she’ll just distance herself from this entire debacle and fade into obscurity. Or eat a sandwich (as long as we’re listing improbable things.)

Your guess is as good as mine. Enjoy the schadenfreude.

Photo credit CNN.

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Wiseoldowl
Wiseoldowl
7 years ago

Or set her sights on another married man?

Hellno
Hellno
7 years ago
Reply to  Wiseoldowl

I agree with you, she seemed particularly vested in the idea , I always felt that the child might have just been a tomboy until St Angie the mother of multitudes latched on to the idea and ran with it, as much as I despise them both, Brad always struck me than the sane one, She seems to have major, major mental health issues,it’s all about her and what she wants, never mind the effect on the kids, never mind that the smear campaign is immensely damaging to the man she professed to love, when she wanted out, all of a sudden the “love of her life’, was transformed into an unfaithful, alcoholic pothead, and abusive to boot.Oh well, Karma bus

Shechump
Shechump
7 years ago
Reply to  Hellno

TurningDove – ‘“Again, my apologies if I hurt your feelings, Dove.”

PASSIVE-AGGRESSIVE MINDFUCKERY.

HA – “You don’t even know me you bald-headed fart!”

-Lost in America – Albert Brooks

Uneffingbelievable
Uneffingbelievable
7 years ago
Reply to  Shechump

SheChump – Ha! love me some Albert Brooks! I’ve been reading all these diatribes and could only say “WTF!?!” I read your original apology as very sincere. You’ve never been passive-aggressive or a gas-lighter since I started reading CL. Seems someone is a little AGGRESSIVE-AGGRESSIVE!!

Shechump
Shechump
7 years ago

I’ve only been on this site for 4 yrs.
Guess I don’t know what I’m talking about when it comes to a sincere apology.
Best I get kicked off this site, huh?

Uneffingbelievable
Uneffingbelievable
7 years ago
Reply to  Shechump

Shechump – Not a chance! I love reading your comments. That whole thing was just baffling. You kep on keeping on!!!

Shechump
Shechump
7 years ago

‘You keep on keeping on!!!’

Thanks for that Uneff.
Sometimes hateful words come at a bad time in your life.
Sometimes the timing is just wrong.
We’re all here trying to support each other, last time I looked around.
I just put my very-young 6 yr old Black Great Dane down yesterday.
I heard my BIL has terminal cancer.
And, I understand everybody has bad days.
Not to sound sycophant or whatever I might get labelled, I do understand the pain and lashing out at others.
I’ve done it myself far too much.
We’re all in some stage of pain.

Uneffingbelievable
Uneffingbelievable
7 years ago
Reply to  Shechump

Shechump – I’m so, so sorry about your dog. They are just living, breathing, fur-covered love. Don’t know what I’d do without mine. Like you said, we are here to support each other and what went on was such an anomaly it was shocking. You didn’t deserve that at all. Again, I’m so sorry about your sweet dog. Take good care of yourself.

Shechump
Shechump
7 years ago

Thank you so much, Uneffing.

Shechump
Shechump
7 years ago

Uneffing – ‘ Ha! love me some Albert Brooks!’

Gotta throw some humor into all that screaming, I guess.

Thank you.

just around the bend
just around the bend
7 years ago
Reply to  Wiseoldowl

My mother told me that the grandchild of a friend of hers, around 9 years old, is transgendering as well. So I guess it can happen that young.

Shechump
Shechump
7 years ago

It’s odd, but I have gay nieces and nephews and I could tell they were gay from about 7-8 yrs old.
And, now they are having children and I see, at least, 2 of them at this age that are probably gay.
There are just certain mannerisms and I’m glad in this day and age, we can recognize them for what they are and yes, let little boys wear dresses to school, if they want. Right? Or a girl to wear tom-boy clothes at the Jr. High Prom….

This gay/trans issue has got to be accepted at all levels and let a child grow accordingly with their peers without ridicule.
But, I’m sure that day is still a distant goal.

UnderConstruction
UnderConstruction
7 years ago
Reply to  Shechump

It’s normal to be whoever you are where I live now. In my childhood smaller midwest town, not so much. Metro cities are more progressive, allowing people to get on with their lives. Less chance of getting caught up in others’ insecurities about someone being different than their own traditional archaic gender slots.
Yes, a huge percentage of people need to get with the times and detach from their own insecurities about many things including race, gender, class, etc.
Transgender is a gender identity, just like male and female. To the people who feel the need to waste time trying to make other people feel bad or weird about their given gender – deal with it and focus on your own life. Life is too short for you to be stuck worrying about straightening someone else out! Straighten yourself out since you’re the bothered one.

TurningDove, I also understood that you were pointing your post toward their parenting and nothing off or negative about their child’s gender.

UnderConstruction
UnderConstruction
7 years ago

“I moved on to another Firm. During one Benefits Open Enrollment my Firm announced that transgender surgery was now a covered benefit.

I tracked her down and told her to apply for a position. She did and when my manager and HR wanted my opinion since we used to work together, I gave her a great reference. (Which she deserved!)

So she is now a he and very happy” – TurningDove

Oh wow, that’s awesome! Thank you for helping him finally feel comfortable in his own body and be able to focus more on living.
One of my best friends in my old city is a trans man. He doesn’t dress feminine daily while working, but wears makeup and feminine hair and dress at home. He comes alive when he’s free to express his femininity in dress/looks.
When people have never seen someone’s spirit flourish from feeling comfortable in their own bodies, they just don’t understand that it’s not only skin/clothing deep. It’s not a choice or a “confusion”. It’s who they ARE and that should be respected. Most people who have the privilege of being born in a body they feel good in may not be as strong as the transgender person they’re rejecting. As a woman, I can’t imagine being told from birth, that I’m really a man and that I need to look and act masculine.. when I feel feminine in every way.
I’ll never be able to fully understand it since I am feminine and also born in a female body. My heart goes out to anyone who has had to live with such societal insensitivity on top of the internal and physical day to day discomfort of being born into a body that’s a different gender than you feel. So great that transgender surgery is covered in some work places now. Awareness is growing. When people know better, they can do better – so hopefully everyone will have the support they need to feel as good as possible in the coming decades.

Shechump
Shechump
7 years ago

Sorry you are offended by our comments and apologies on your post and called us Genuine Naugahyde.
Thanks for that, Turning Dove. What a fucking insult.
We did NOT have all your information.
How unfair.

So, sorry, not sorry, after all.

over it
over it
7 years ago
Reply to  Wiseoldowl

Turning Dove,
I am extremely saddened by your off-topic and horrifically insensitive, unnecessary comments about a that child. I truly can’t imagine why we would even bring this topic up in the comments here, and to do so in such a hurtful, mean, ignorant way, is truly disappointing. First, their children have absolutely ZERO to do with this, other than the fact that they are the very sad collateral damage of the ugliness of divorce (and to have to deal with it publicly no less). More importantly, I IMPLORE you to watch the Frontline Documentary “Growing Up Trans”. This is a very real, terribly painful struggle that many people are forced to endure. I can tell you, having been an elementary school educator for 28 years… it starts VERY young. And… it doesn’t always turn out the way you think it might. Children very often “experiment” with their gender for years. Thank goodness, as a society we have come so far in terms of acceptance, tolerance, and understanding with regard to this situation. Whether or not that girl ultimately decides to change her gender or not… you can bet she knows her parents love and accept her unconditionally. She will be spared the agony and painful (sometimes suicidal) torture of believing your own parents think you are bad/wrong/weird/embarrassing/unwanted. Many children aren’t as lucky as this little girl. Say what you want about them a people… but in this particular situation; they are role model parents for a world that could use a lot more parents who handle it the right way in the best interest of their child.
I am sorry if I have offended you. But as a person who has known and loved children like this over the years, I respectfully request that you educate yourself on this topic, and refrain from publicly and ignorantly trashing a child. Thank you.

Shechump
Shechump
7 years ago
Reply to  over it

Thank you, over-it. ‘But as a person who has known and loved children like this over the years, I respectfully request that you educate yourself on this topic, and refrain from publicly and ignorantly trashing a child. Thank you.’

I was also deeply offended by this comment for so many reasons.
This child is too young to speak for herself….and, she IS a child.
I know the pain and suffering that 2 of my now-gay nieces/nephews went through and they were lucky to make it through the teen-years without committing suicide. I feel terrible that the world is still so behind on these issues that the child doesn’t deserve to be gossiped and made fun about – the internet lasts forever.
Someday, that child will uncover that statement.

Makes me really sad.

Sara
Sara
7 years ago
Reply to  Shechump

Dove,
I first read your post as an apt commentary on Hollywood, no offense to children, transgendered or otherwise. After reading the next few comments I realized kids often do grapple with gender identity issues long before nine years of age–but I still understood the gist of your post as an attack on Hollywood. But your vitriole to those who did not is as bullying and repugnant as any Naugahyde Mindfuckery you insist was targeted toward you. I get being defensive. I get being hurt–whether you were or were not. But untangling the skein of fuck upedness doesn’t work as a loaded weapon to let loose on people who are trying to communicate with you, as insulting and devious as you seem to find it.

Sylvia is Sad
Sylvia is Sad
7 years ago
Reply to  Shechump

I understood what you meant. I know you didn’t mean any harm to a child.
We have enough to worry about with these cheaters.

Don’t let it bring you down.

🙂

champchump
champchump
7 years ago
Reply to  Sylvia is Sad

I knew what you meant too.

It was a comment about Angelina, not about the kid, not about transgender issues, or whatevever. Some people just don’t read closely enough.

Thought it was an excellent point. I always thought Angelina stole Brad 1) because she could, and 2) for the attention. Not that Brad Pitt is so wonderful, he seems like a repulsive hunk of aging beefcake to me, but he was a MUCH bigger star than she was at the time.

Shechump
Shechump
7 years ago
Reply to  champchump

Sylvia – ‘I understood what you meant. I know you didn’t mean any harm to a child. We have enough to worry about with these cheaters. Don’t let it bring you down. :-)’

ChampChump – ‘I knew what you meant too.’

Ok – HI! I can be very very slow on jokes and usually don’t get them.
(but, it’s kind of fun to watch me try to tell one)

I usually get sarcasm, but don’t bet on it.
(The English confuse the hell out of me with their underground puns and such!)
And, yes. Sometimes I read too fast and respond, although I do try to think out a post carefully.

Truly sorry I misread your intent.
I guess you have to spell it out for some folks like me who don’t always get innuendos either. 🙂

I think Ian would be ready to chop our heads off if we talk about this movie star couple any longer.
We do NOT know what is real and what is not.

Again, my apologies if I hurt your feelings, Dove.

Applespaghetti
Applespaghetti
7 years ago
Reply to  Shechump

Hi all,
I’m new to posting here. I want to tell my story. Gawd, I’m dying to tell my story. I have been reading CL for a few months. I caught my husband of two months cheating on me. I did a little digging into his background post marriage and discovered he was a “sex addict.” This was after my last two husbands were caught cheating on me. This guy….this guy…was different I thought. The love bombing began and he was the nicest guy I thought I had ever met. He was supportive, generous, seemed to be soooo into me, showed me off to his friends right away, proposed after 6 months. I had this nagging feeling though. One day, he was texting someone at 9pm and then swiped to delete the text. I asked him who he was texting and he said a coworker. The next morning a voice said to check his phone. I kid you not, a voice, I never snooped on him up until that point. he went into the shower, I ran for his phone before the lock went on (passcode lock). I found naked pictures of woman. I confronted him and the lies started to unfold. I spoke to 6 other woman he had led on before he met me, they confirmed he was seeing them all at the same time (a year before I met him). He says he is a sex and love addict (don’t forget love, that softens it right?)

Help. Need advice. He says this is the past and he won’t do this again.

Applespaghetti
Applespaghetti
7 years ago
Reply to  Applespaghetti

One more bit of info. I caught him sexting two other women. I did not catch him physically cheating. It’s cheating nonetheless. I get it.

Also, a month before I caught the sexting, he was in vegas on a business trip. Before I knew about the sexting and sex addict past. I felt sick to my stomach when he was on the business trip. I cannot prove he did anything but I felt sick. He lied about going to see a vegas show though, he admitted that.

Sylvia is Sad
Sylvia is Sad
7 years ago
Reply to  Applespaghetti

Applespaghetti,
I think it was too late at night for you to get the responses you need. Post today in the new column and you will get tons of helpful advice.

Sadly, I know how sick you feel and I am so sorry.

“Trust that he sucks.”

I think you know what you need to do. It is just so hard to accept that someone we love is that rotten. 🙁
Go over and post in the new column..(it is relevant) and people will give fabulous help.

Rokqueen
Rokqueen
7 years ago
Reply to  Wiseoldowl

Dove,
I hope you’re making this comment about Shiloh in jest. Many of us children of divorce (myself included) know the heartache and uncertainty that these kids will go through. Many children who transition later in life exhibit signs of it at a very young age. My friend’s son straight up told him “Dad, I’m a girl” at the tender age of 6. And meant it.
Not much gray area there.

I very much doubt that Angelina and Brad would create this extremely difficult situation for the sake of headlines. Besides, Shiloh looks super cute and dapper in a short hair cut and a suit on the red carpet.
I wish these kids the best in the shark tank of celebrity, regardless of how they identify.

Datdamwuf
Datdamwuf
7 years ago
Reply to  Rokqueen

+1 Rock. Let’s leave the kids and their gender I’d out of the discussion

Kellia
Kellia
7 years ago
Reply to  Wiseoldowl

That was exactly my first thought!

ChutesandLadders
ChutesandLadders
7 years ago
Reply to  Kellia

Ditto. She was the OW when he cheated on Aniston. Helloooo, karma bus.

Sucks for those kids, though…

thensome
thensome
7 years ago

My opinion is that Brad Pitt didn’t cheat. Angelina Jolie has never been a particularly stable personality and to think that she would stay married to him was unlikely despite how much they fronted to be in love. If anything she got bored and wants to move on. She probably wants to reinvent herself yet again.

I admit to some fist pumping when I heard about this. However, it’s a crap show with kids involved for sure. Still, these two idiots deserved each other and the fall out was absolutely predictable. When you cheat, you get what you deserve….

Notclueless
Notclueless
7 years ago
Reply to  thensome

It certainly is karma. Unfortunately there are a half dozen small souls at stake. Neither one of these nut jobs have a right to place loose and fast with these children. But kids are often the collateral damage and this case is no different.
Their relationship like all the other adulterous relationships was based on lies and deceit. At some point it was going to come crashing down. They both deserve to suffer the consequences. Their children do not.

kiwichump
kiwichump
7 years ago
Reply to  Kellia

Precisely. Raging narcissist has been the OW over and over. Adopts kids from everywhere like the world is a baby supermarket. Always found that woman revolting. Great bod, shame about the soul.

Sayonara dickhead
Sayonara dickhead
6 years ago
Reply to  kiwichump

Omg kiwichump your post is hilarious “baby supermarket” total narcissist

MidlifeBlast
MidlifeBlast
7 years ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

Lol @ panties

Carolina Girl
Carolina Girl
7 years ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

My favorite Jennifer Anniston Clip: “And that, my friend, is what they call closure.”

YO
YO
7 years ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

Yeah, but I don’t think Jen gives a shit anymore. It has been 12 years..

sara
sara
7 years ago
Reply to  YO

From Buzzfeed comment section?: “You’ve owned your car for four years. You named it Brad. You loved Brad and then you totaled him. You two had been through everything together. Two boyfriends, three jobs, you’re like, nothing can replace Brad. Then Liberty Mutual calls and you break into your happy dance.”

Dove, I always remembered that one, her Sister Loyalty Act psa!

ChutesandLadders
ChutesandLadders
7 years ago
Reply to  YO

In the words of Samantha Jones, “Well lets just say it [Jennifer], you won.”

Enraged
Enraged
7 years ago
Reply to  YO

If I were Jen, I would say this: [silence]

She has moved on. Would be good if people TOO would allow her to move on. Let’s not drag Jenifer into this drama. Not her problem anymore.

Marezy doats
Marezy doats
7 years ago
Reply to  Enraged

I think it would be awesome if her comment was, “Meh!”

neverwouldhaveimagined
neverwouldhaveimagined
7 years ago
Reply to  Enraged

Yes, but the positive point is that the public is on her side, the side of the chump! Even after all these years, people believe the OW finally got exactly what she deserved. Justice!

HM
HM
7 years ago

BOOM!

VulcanChump
VulcanChump
7 years ago

I’ll admit, I just sorta shrugged when I found out.

Martha
Martha
7 years ago

When I heard this yesterday, the first thing I thought of? Chump Lady and Chump Nation! The second thing? If he cheats with you, he’s going to cheat on you! I can’t wait to read all the snarky comments on CN today. 🙂

Paintwidow
Paintwidow
7 years ago
Reply to  Martha

Same^^^

Rebecca
Rebecca
7 years ago

Really? She hired a PI to confirm that he was cheating on a movie set?
I thought she already knew how that goes…
Sometimes I love Karma ?

AllOutofKibble
AllOutofKibble
7 years ago
Reply to  Rebecca

And how many years did it take the karma bus to arrive?
Just a reminder for everyone who is still waiting, relax,, it will get there.

Golfgrrl
Golfgrrl
7 years ago
Reply to  AllOutofKibble

2 years after they married. 12 after they started their affair.

Carolina Girl
Carolina Girl
7 years ago
Reply to  Golfgrrl

Goes to show that marriage takes the novelty out of the relationship really quick even if a cheating couple has cohabitated for years. And they were pretty textbook per studies: 2 years and done.

Linda
Linda
7 years ago
Reply to  Golfgrrl

Elizabeth Landers is spot on again: When Affair Partners Marry
“When a second marriage starts as an affair, is it possible to predict how it will turn out?
The answer is yes, we can, predict what most likely will be happening in the relationship about two years after the couple marries.”

https://elizsays.com/media/articles/when-affair-partners-marry/

neverwouldhaveimagined
neverwouldhaveimagined
7 years ago
Reply to  AllOutofKibble

I am patient. It will be sweet whenever it comes.

HM
HM
7 years ago

The costar looks just like her. I guess cheaters like to typecast :p

moxie
moxie
7 years ago
Reply to  HM

Just a side note: if you’re not familiar with Cotillard’s partner, Guillaume Canet is a wonderful talent. He made a film with Keira Knightley in 2010 called “Last Night” that is worth watching. If it’s still on Netflix, check it out.

A real tear jerker. Theme of infidelity. Great love story.

Hellno
Hellno
7 years ago
Reply to  moxie

It seems more like the Marion thing was just a big lie from a jealous spiteful bitch who decided that if she was going to blow up her marriage she was going to cause as much collateral damage as possible.

ChutesandLadders
ChutesandLadders
7 years ago
Reply to  HM

She’s still a cheater.

LovedaJackass
LovedaJackass
7 years ago
Reply to  HM

She also thinks the moon landing was a hoax.

Gonegirl
Gonegirl
7 years ago

She probably had numerous D days and after each adopted a kid or got pregnant, had surgery in order to “save” the marriage. I just feel bad for all those kids.

sara
sara
7 years ago
Reply to  Gonegirl

As Jennifer Garner’s former nanny can attest to! Great pay, nice purses and some famous bloated alcoholic Dick for a Christmas bonus??.

Yup still bitter.

kiwichump
kiwichump
7 years ago
Reply to  Gonegirl

The kids are just designer accessories. So much of this in Hollywood, I don’t know why they are allowed to do this. They just buy these kids.

sara
sara
7 years ago
Reply to  kiwichump

Oh kiwi how could you be so harsh? They’re only on loan from central casting. Lease don’t buy, that would be a commitment!

Chumptitude
Chumptitude
7 years ago
Reply to  Gonegirl

Schadenfreude is definitely what I feel when I think about Brad and Angelina… Then a millisecond later, I feel immense sadness and empathy for their six children, growing up with these two and in the constant spotlight of fame…

I keep thinking that this feels like a Mia Farrow/Woody Allen-like debacle in the making, I so hope the Brangelina kids will have a different fate…

Calgal1
Calgal1
7 years ago
Reply to  Chumptitude

Honestly, I felt sorry for the children even when they were a couple. Those kids are paraded around like accessories. I’m sure whatever dysfunction lied beneath the surface – those kids are/were already aware and living it. Hopefully the paparazzi will leave the kids alone. I suspect their lives won’t be any different than when their parents were “coupled” however.

Gaby
Gaby
7 years ago
Reply to  Chumptitude

I also thought of the children after reading:
Pitt asked for privacy in a statement to People, saying he is most concerned with protecting his children.

Makes me wonder again how cheaters can say they have to protect their children when it is their own actions that put the children in this heartbreaking situations.

As a mother it just blows my mind. Even having young adult kids I always stop to think how my behavior will impact them. Always.

Anyway. Now I will wait patiently for the Karma bus to run over the monkey and dummie ( I must confess I’m also waiting for it to hit Julia Roberts, family wrecker, haha).

justchumped
justchumped
7 years ago
Reply to  Gaby

“As a mother it just blows my mind. Even having young adult kids I always stop to think how my behavior will impact them. Always.”

Yes, dammit…YES!

Uneffingbelievable
Uneffingbelievable
7 years ago
Reply to  Gaby

Gaby – yes, yes and YES!

expatChump
expatChump
7 years ago
Reply to  Gonegirl

I agree. All the comments about, “oh they were so in love and all the kids” and “but they just got married”. I say PR at its best, and the marriage was high quality spackle. I bet it’s been effectively over for a long time.

Free Vixen
Free Vixen
7 years ago
Reply to  expatChump

I had been married for all of 3 months on d-day, after a decade together. Hmmm, sounds like a familiar play from the cheater handbook.

Paintwidow
Paintwidow
7 years ago

Okay, I know the point of chump nation is to get all namaste about things. Get smart, lawyer up, trust that he sucks, get a life……YES to all that. That being said there isn’t one of us here that has suffered through this that wouldn’t LOVE to see the karma bus plow over oozy ex’s and their affair partners.
This renewed my faith in the karma bus. It may take a decade but it’ll come.
#teamjen

NoMoreEvil
NoMoreEvil
7 years ago
Reply to  Paintwidow

+1000

UnsinkableMollyXinAlabama
UnsinkableMollyXinAlabama
7 years ago
Reply to  Paintwidow

Right on!!!! I can’t wait for the day that EXH#2/The Evil One and his Mrs.OW-Dumb-Ass face the Karma train…if I were to guess, might be within the next year or so…
With EXH#1, it took about 6 years to the day before he got his from his OW-turned-3rd-wife, and boy oh boy did he ever get his!!!!
Hang in there, fellow Chumps!!! The day will come eventually.

nomar
nomar
7 years ago
Reply to  Paintwidow

Just understand that the karma bus often tools around in disguise. In the case of my cheating ex wife, the karma bus arrived in the form of a quick marriage to an affair partner that has *endured.*. Like two barbed-wire monkeys hugging each other for eternity. #perfecthell

kiwichump
kiwichump
7 years ago
Reply to  nomar

Awesome Nomar, the two barbed wire monkeys. I hope they get entangled and are forced to stay together forever. That would be Karma

strad
strad
7 years ago
Reply to  nomar

I have a similar story, as my X and his married affair partner also married shortly after we divorced. I can’t think of anyone who deserve each other more than those 2 cheaters. People have said to me, “oh, Karma is going to get him, you just wait and see”.
My response: “It already has”

MovingOn
MovingOn
7 years ago
Reply to  strad

You’re not kidding. I can’t imagine cheating on someone and then ending up married to someone like either my ex or my ex’s cheater wife. Talk about a booby prize! They got what they deserved– each other.

NewMe
NewMe
7 years ago
Reply to  MovingOn

Sloppy seconds is what I call them!

Tempest
Tempest
7 years ago
Reply to  nomar

So true. After the divorce, mine ended up with a GF who had been an AP, and whose attraction was youth + she is much more subservient than me (imagine that!). Her more pronounced femininity has also come with a tendency to depression (and Hannibal doesn’t “do” caretaking well.) I have my bottle of Sauvignon Blanc & Parmesan/Rosemary popcorn all ready to go….

UnsinkableMollyXinAlabama
UnsinkableMollyXinAlabama
7 years ago
Reply to  Tempest

Lol, Tempest!!!! Won’t be long now, then!!!

Arnold
Arnold
7 years ago
Reply to  Tempest

That is some good popcorn, Tempest.

Martha
Martha
7 years ago
Reply to  Tempest

” I have my bottle of Sauvignon Blanc & Parmesan/Rosemary popcorn all ready to go….” LOL, Tempest. 🙂

CourtneyS
CourtneyS
7 years ago
Reply to  nomar

Agree! It’s only been 7 months X has been living with AP, but whenever someone says “he’ll get what he deserves” or “he’ll go to hell”, I say “he IS getting what he deserves. He is living in hell”. He is with a drug using, borderline, immoral slut instead of his two sweet, adorable, funny kids under 6 and a devoted wife. We’re moving on and moving up without him and he is stuck with a crazy slut. I’ll take it. #perfecthell

AllOutofKibble
AllOutofKibble
7 years ago
Reply to  nomar

I am so jealous of your situation nomar.
I wish Narkles the Clown and the Flying Whore would get married. I know she would never leave her rich husband but it would be awesome for me to know the two of them were in #perfecthell

CYaAsshat
CYaAsshat
7 years ago
Reply to  Paintwidow

Waiting for the KarmaBus myself…hope I get to see it!

Pondscumbgone
Pondscumbgone
7 years ago
Reply to  Paintwidow

YES to this Paintwindow!!!!!

UnchumpingMyself
UnchumpingMyself
7 years ago
Reply to  Paintwidow

True. As far as I am concerned and as someone who has worked really hard over the past two years on successfully rebuilding a life away from the cheater-ex I can confirm that would still love to see karma bus hit AP and ex.

A smile for the Brangelina piece of news.

UnderConstruction
UnderConstruction
7 years ago

Same here. I typically don’t delight in other people’s pain. I also usually don’t care much about celeb news.

BUT…

BAHAHAHAHAAAAAAaaaaaa!! Well done, Karma Bus! Well done.

Paintwidow
Paintwidow
7 years ago
Reply to  Paintwidow

^ our. Auto correct thinking for me again.

Sausalito
Sausalito
7 years ago
Reply to  Paintwidow

I kinda like oozy. Probably describes a lot of cheaters!!

Dixie Chump
Dixie Chump
7 years ago
Reply to  Sausalito

LOL … I couldn’t figure out where the edit was supposed to go because oozy ex sounded for sure what was meant to be there!!!

Beth
Beth
7 years ago
Reply to  Sausalito

+100 I was thinking the exact same thing!!

blessingindisguise
blessingindisguise
7 years ago

Alternatively, **if** there was no cheating and they really are divorcing because of different opinions on “how to raise the children,” then why couldn’t a discussion (like grown-ups) solve that problem? Even if it has to be a long, drawn out, heated discussion. Or reading a few books? Or seeing a counsellor? Unless either one of them is way out of line on what it takes to raise kids, that shouldn’t be a reason to divorce. And if it is, why did it take them 6 kids to figure it out?

Hellno
Hellno
7 years ago

Because it was all an excuse , Angelina is a vicious nutbag, I suspect that Brad would have continued hanging in there literally for the kids’ sake, I also suspect that she had something like this in mind when they got married in the first place, the spackle was laced with semtex explosive, she is a genius at media manipulation, she was getting bored, and figured that separating from a long time partner would not have as much impact as a divorce

Carolina Girl
Carolina Girl
7 years ago

I think one of the biggest reasons is supposedly Brad’s drug use. She asked him not to be high around the kids and he couldn’t refrain.

WhichWayDidSheGo
WhichWayDidSheGo
7 years ago

That’s a huge if, given that the relationship started via cheating, but I think we as a society have a huge problem with treating everything as disposable, including people. To a lot of folks it’s much more appealing to start over with someone new than it is to work on things. Partner gets sick? Leave. Have different hobbies? Leave. Get bored? Leave. We went from the unacceptable world of women being forced to stay in horrible, abusive situations to people seemingly running off for any and no reason at all.

Sad Shelby
Sad Shelby
7 years ago

This is so true! I’ve read that if you were happy once it’s way easier and way more likely to become happy again with the same person. I’ve also read that a very high percentage of people that get divorced regret it (I’m assuming the majority weren’t chumps!). Since I’m apparently going to be single again (eventually) for the first time in more than a decade I’m utterly terrified I won’t know how to pick! And how do I know it’s real? Or if I’m sticking when I should be moving on? I don’t know! Where’s my fairy godmother?! I need to wish upon a star and win the lottery and maybe end up with Zac Efron ?? A chump can dream! Booty and cash! Hells yes! I’m pretty sure I deserve it after this living fucking nightmare I’ve been through recently!

Arnold
Arnold
7 years ago

Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward started as an affair ( and he cheated on her during their marriage, as well). Yet, they are always held up as such great examples of Hollywood marriage-Vomit.
Look at McCain. Same deal. There re tons of these affairiages out there. Some seem to last. They are suited for each other.

Done4Good
Done4Good
7 years ago

WWDSG – I definitely agree! Everything and everyone is disposable and it’s all no-fault. No fault accidents, no fault divorce. This year alone I’ve been in two car accidents. Both times it was because the other person driving wasn’t paying attention. Both times my daughter was in the car with me. The second time I was hit, he hit me so forcefully I was nearly pushed into oncoming traffic. But it’s no one’s fault right? Because no one takes responsibility anymore.

BTW, he had insurance and paid for the damage but guess whose insurance also went up? Mine. Because after two accidents it was determined that I live in a high risk area.

Cricket1114
Cricket1114
7 years ago
Reply to  Done4Good

My ex used to always say that we live in a throw away society. He meant fridges, electronics etc. when he said this but I guess he felt the same about marriage too .

NWBiblio
NWBiblio
7 years ago
Reply to  Cricket1114

Mine, too. The sole MC session I could force him to attend, the MC said it was not uncommon for men to experience a midlife crisis around age 40 & again around age 50. (I suspect the MC was gently paving the way for a “so it’s OK if you feel a bit anxious at this time of your life, let’s work through it” — Not enough time! Must away to the AP!) But according to a mutual friend, his takeaway message was one of relief and anticipation: “According to the therapist, it’s normal that I’m throwing away my marriage, and evidently I’m going to do it again ten years from now.” Fabulous.

Done4Good
Done4Good
7 years ago
Reply to  NWBiblio

Man, these PODs can hear whatever they want in therapy! Our MC told him he should be more open to people because he can be so abrupt and cold to others. Well duh, he’s a NARC, but at the time I didn’t know that was the real problem. However, he took that one phrase and turned it around on me when I discovered him lovebombing another woman. I’m pretty sure the MC wasn’t telling him to go fuck other women.

cricket1114
cricket1114
7 years ago
Reply to  NWBiblio

Before lucky me, my ex was with a woman for 7 years. He just went home one day and told her he was done. That should have been a red flag and I should have ran when I met him. We were together 7 years as well. Hmmmm……7 years must be his women’s expiration date.

kiwichump
kiwichump
7 years ago
Reply to  cricket1114

7 year kitsch

Kellia
Kellia
7 years ago
Reply to  cricket1114

I was dating a guy who told me that he married for love and then one day, he just fell out of love. For no reason. Just like that. So he divorced his wife. They had 3 underage kids together. I didn’t see him again after that comment, as I knew he would do the same thing to me one day. Ooops, I just fell out of love. No thanks.

Roberta
Roberta
7 years ago
Reply to  Cricket1114

Throwaway society? THIS! My Ex used the term “planned obsolescence “! I guess I became obsolete and he planned in detail to have an affair! His ordered replacement was found on Facebook!

kiwichump
kiwichump
7 years ago
Reply to  Roberta

I got the built in obsolescence speeches too, along with speeches about the importance of a moral compass, integrity, loyalty, an internal locus of control, knowing his shadow (NOT!!) and climate change readiness, the GFC and the banksters. Blah, blah, the world was going to hell in a hand basket and he was there to save us… Crawl back into the sewer you came out of, traitor.
World is doing whatever, and the fucker is not helping anyone. Just wants tons of money to spend on disposable crap. No morals. Drove thousands of extra kms to fuck the whore in my fossil fuel burning car. Ha!

Dixie Chump
Dixie Chump
7 years ago

Apparently, when parenting disagreements arose in the past, the solution was to adopt another kid!!! So that particular coping strategy obviously met its limits. Next up? Contentious divorce!! Hollywood types are the definition of narcissists … karma bus wasn’t even needed in this case. But it is still sort of delicious.

#teamjen

Anita
Anita
7 years ago

Wow, I must live under a rock cause that’s the first I heard of this. I must say, it couldn’t happen to two nicer people. Can’t stand either one if them after what they did to Jenn. They were not fooling anyone by saying they weren’t cheating before getting divorced. The truth always comes out eventually, usually when you least expect it.

saw
saw
7 years ago
Reply to  Anita

Anita, I guess the entire world that knows the story about “Mr. and Mrs. Smith just crawled out from under the same rock? They didn’t cheat before they were married, but a PI was hired and cheating has started? Lol!

Kellia
Kellia
7 years ago
Reply to  saw

All tabloids showed photos of Brad and Angie walking hand in hand on the set of Mr and Mrs. Smith, cajoling together. There was no denying there was something going on. And Angelina told her kids it’s on the set of Mr. and Mrs. Smith that mommy and daddy fell in love. Yes, and daddy was married to someone else at that time. Angelina was known for porking all her co-stars. It’s not like she was saint. I am certain they slept together while on set and while Brad was still married to Jennifer.

And for Angie to hire a PI, I’m sure she had signs long before the PI found cheating with Marion Cotillard.

Renewed
Renewed
7 years ago
Reply to  Anita

I wasn’t a fan of any of the parties involved but I felt sorry for Jennifer watching the the public humiliation and shame those two inflicted on her. Once you break your vows I do believe it becomes easier for these folks. My heart goes out to the kids.

Kellia
Kellia
7 years ago
Reply to  Renewed

I so agree Renewed. Jennifer didn’t deserve any of that. It’s not like Jennifer and Brad were separated and living separate lives. Jennifer was completely blindsided by Brad’s cheating. I really felt bad for Jennifer too. She didn’t deserve any of that.

Catlady Chump
Catlady Chump
7 years ago
Reply to  Kellia

Well, really, no chump deserves it, but she was (and is) an inspirational chump. She was classy through the media fallout and humiliation. She got divorced, built her life back up without the seemingly immediate (rebound) serial relationships, and then after a decade, married again. She really has been a role model to me for wising up and unchumping.

CYaAsshat
CYaAsshat
7 years ago
Reply to  Catlady Chump

Agreed.

Sylvia is Sad
Sylvia is Sad
7 years ago
Reply to  CYaAsshat

And married a totally smoking hot, witty man who writes hilarious scripts.
A win!

TheClip
TheClip
7 years ago

No pity for the other woman here….but …..i dont think she hasbeen particularly stable person…and what do Narcs look for ? The person who will believe the story. She believed his story…that Jennifer was a hag/nag and wasnt putting out. Angelina will sit for hours wondering what the story was about her.
I anticipate Angelina and Jennifer will become friends …. Partner in some water shed project and do a Saturday Night Live skit about Brad.

expatChump
expatChump
7 years ago
Reply to  TheClip

Another comment I agree with. She appears to have issues, and always had (remember the vial of blood she wore on a necklace?). I’m thinking all of this has played into a lot of the health issues she’s had over the years.

nomar
nomar
7 years ago

Guess Angelina shouldn’t have let herself go like she did.

What a couple of vapid mannequins pretending to profundity. #hollow

NWBiblio
NWBiblio
7 years ago
Reply to  nomar

I was thinking the same thing: “I’m sure it ended because she’s not pretty/thin/successful enough.” — I only bring this up because I think so many of us merely-human chumps do sometimes think this about ourselves and here’s yet another excellent reason why we should not.

neverwouldhaveimagined
neverwouldhaveimagined
7 years ago
Reply to  NWBiblio

Yes! You may be beautiful, smart, and successful, but you are not new – and you are only one.

Sunrise
Sunrise
7 years ago
Reply to  nomar

Yes this Nomar. If only my collarbone was half as visible as hers I might still be married. Oh wait, she won’t be married for long either.

…eat a sandwich… Good one ChumpLady!

lldodd60
lldodd60
7 years ago

Okay so we are all ragging on Brad here. Angelina doesn’t have the shiniest reputation for being monogamous or mentally stable herself. Vials of blood anyone? And what is to say she isn’t a massive control freak behind the scenes? Anywho – not surprised they are divorcing – Her 3rd His 2nd? Chances of longevity go down the more times you marry. They should have continued to co-habitate and not marry.

Carolina Girl
Carolina Girl
7 years ago
Reply to  lldodd60

And let’s not forget the kissy times with her brother….

UnsinkableMollyXinAlabama
UnsinkableMollyXinAlabama
7 years ago
Reply to  Carolina Girl

Oh my Yeaaaaasssssss!!! I thought of that too reading all the above mentioned comments of her cray-cray behavior!!!!

neverwouldhaveimagined
neverwouldhaveimagined
7 years ago
Reply to  Carolina Girl

Ewww! I had completely forgotten about that!

fishfun
fishfun
7 years ago

While this was satisfying in that the ‘poster couple’ for affairs are no more, I’m not sure that all the assumptions that Jen is sitting there laughing are necessarily true. When my X split with OW, my first reaction was despair at the destruction caused for what in the end proved to be no reason at all.

Sad Shelby
Sad Shelby
7 years ago
Reply to  fishfun

If I were Jen I’d be laughing it up! She looks like she’s 30 and she’s married to a HOT, HOT super successful piece of man! She had good friends and Brad looks like used up shit now! Too much hard living and having a million children. Jen must be laughing it up now! She left a cheater and now they’ve gotten exactly what was coming to them! *beep beep* Karma ?

Nocake4u
Nocake4u
7 years ago
Reply to  fishfun

Fishfun, I had the same reaction. My ex and the OW married 8 months after our divorce and had their new child a month later. That was 2 years ago and I was just informed they are broken up and starting the divorce proceedings. I guess being in Meh for so long took the celebration feelings right out of me. The only concern I had was for our 13 yr old daughter who had to endure such quick and dramatic changes to her life.

CourtneyS
CourtneyS
7 years ago
Reply to  fishfun

I can totally understand this. I would/will feel this way if/when the AP relationship crashes and burns.

ICanSeeTheMehComing!
ICanSeeTheMehComing!
7 years ago
Reply to  fishfun

Fishfun – A different perception on the same experience (my STBX and the OW have also broken up)… but ironically, I didn’t spend much time thinking how my marriage ended “for no reason at all”… but instead reveled in the knowledge and peace that I was removed from a harmful situation (kinda like the universe pushed me out of the way of the Narcissist Bus)… and now he has to “start over” and “sit in his own shit” for a change. Of course, he wasn’t alone long… already has a newbie lined up.

neverwouldhaveimagined
neverwouldhaveimagined
7 years ago

Yep, they cannot be alone for a minute and are not very picky. Anyone will do. People are easily replaceable to them.

UnsinkableMollyX
UnsinkableMollyX
7 years ago

Absolutely true!!!!!

Digbert
Digbert
7 years ago
Reply to  fishfun

Apparently Jen still thinks a lot of Brad and always wishes him well, there was still a lot of love there – he has done well (career wise) etc. etc. Sent congrats to him on the births of the kids blah blah.

I suspect he will come out of this saga better than ‘ evil temptress’ Angelina ‘ cos he obviously had no part to play in the demise of both marriages – he was obviously unhappy …. Poor Brad has the Sads …….boo frickin hoo

I was always on team Jen – then someone told me that Justin dumped his long term partner to be with her – devastating his ex- girlfriend in the process. Not sure who to believe in all this Hollywood gossip but I will be disappointed if in the future Jen develops amnesia ( I don’t think so – suspect she is regularly misquoted) where Brad and his shitty actions are concerned, sure he may have made a few good movies (?) but in reality he was a just shit husband.

Logo65
Logo65
7 years ago
Reply to  Digbert

I had heard the same about Jenn and Justin. He was living with someone when they hooked up. So, no #teamjen for me. Seems like Angelina did her a favor. That he is cheating on her? Not surprised. So I guess the poster children for “they blow up their marriages and go on to be better people in a more matched relationship” just ended. In a way, I’m glad.

Confused123
Confused123
7 years ago
Reply to  Logo65

Logo65:
I heard the same about Justin as well. She’s just as big home wrecker as Angie. The Justin news of cheating was not super huge news because he is not on the same level as Brad in popularity. Personally, I think they are all awful. Jenn, Brad and Angelina. No team anyone for me.
I am happy to know that the Karma bus is driving around. I can’t wait for the ex to be run over.

neverwouldhaveimagined
neverwouldhaveimagined
7 years ago
Reply to  fishfun

While I can understand this, I believe it doesn’t matter what happens to the affair relationship after your spouse gives themselves permission to disregard their wedding vows. This divorce is another example of how cheaters have no problem crossing that line and all of the dishonesty and deception that entails. They can spin it anyway they want – you’re a shrew, the marriage was already over, it was twu wuv. Whatever. Cheating is wrong, and cheaters know it. They suck!

Anita
Anita
7 years ago

I agree totally, never would have imagined. If it weren’t that particular ow, it would have been another one. They are interchangeable in my book. Cheattards are really just looking for new ass but have to dress it up as love, when its really just dysfunction. That’s the myth, really, that these ow are just soooo special, when they are really just garden variety sluts. OK to fuck, in secret, but not to marry.

violet
violet
7 years ago
Reply to  Anita

Brad Pitt has never, ever been my idea of the model mate. He always seemed to do whatever was best for him, others be damned. I did have to laugh when he had a face lift and it was just awful. All that money and you can’t find a decent plastic surgeon? “Vanity, vanity all is vanity.”

As for the karma bus, I suspect it is going to back up and run over the two of them in the form of teenage rebellion. Those kids have been dragged all over the place, tons of nannies and no stability. We have not seen the end of this drama, unfortunately. It is always the kids who pay the ultimate price for their parents’ narcissism, as Chump Son used to always point out to us.

Kellia
Kellia
7 years ago
Reply to  fishfun

I agree FishFun. I don’t care how many years have gone by, I’m sure Jen is smiling. Jennifer was blindsided by the whole affair of Brad and Angie, and those 2 acted so cowardly giving interviews and doing photo shoots as a family, knocking Brad’s marriage to Jennifer. I’m sure Jennifer feels very vindicated. And Angie got exactly what she deserved, Brad cheating on her. Once a cheater, always a cheater. Angie thought Brad would never cheat on her just because they had wedding cake and she’s spehshull. Karma is a bitch.

Kellia
Kellia
7 years ago

I feel bad for thinking this, but Angie thought that she would be immune from Brad’s cheating. Apparently she tolerated a lot of his awful behaviors, like pot smoking and drinking, saying it’s bad for their children. But she knew this about him as he was doing the exact thing while married to Jenn. And apparently he was involved in parties with hard drugs and Russian hookers. I think this may have been going on for a while and she tolerated all this. And it’s likely she finally snapped when she found out about his cheating to Marion Cotillard. Her father said something serious must have happened for her to file for divorce.

Also, she wanted to do more humanitarian work and all he wanted to do was party and make movies. Seems like an incompatible lifestyle. Other than their physical appearance that attracted them to each other, I never understood what they had in common, since their lifestyles were so different. I’m surprised their relationship lasted as long as it did.

VeniVidiVerily
VeniVidiVerily
7 years ago

Who knows how Angie feels about anything, she’s so botoxed she’s expressionless. Seriously, I could see my reflection on her forehead, it’s soooooo smooth.

Martha
Martha
7 years ago
Reply to  VeniVidiVerily

+3

neverwouldhaveimagined
neverwouldhaveimagined
7 years ago
Reply to  VeniVidiVerily

Maybe Brad stayed so long because she was literally a mirror. Lol

Kay
Kay
7 years ago

Ha!! I like this one-

Sunrise
Sunrise
7 years ago
Reply to  Kay

+2

Marci
Marci
7 years ago

It’s the kids who will lose out.

I was never comfortable with that pairing.

While they get top marks for their branding skills, every commercial enterprise always has a life cycle. I wonder if Brad was the one with the exit plan just like a good corporate player.

Digbert
Digbert
7 years ago
Reply to  Marci

I doubt that all of those kids ever spent that much quality time with those parents given they were always making films or doing humanitarian work or sticking their skinny legs (oddly) out of thigh high slitted evening gowns.

I suspect the kids have acquired their own coping skills being herded in front of the media all these years.

Kids are more resilient than we think – but I reckon we shall see a few issues from this saga ‘resurface’ in the future.

Look at Madonna and her estranged son, although I think that’s been sorted (for now).

Kellia
Kellia
7 years ago
Reply to  Digbert

“I doubt that all of those kids ever spent that much quality time with those parents given they were always making films or doing humanitarian work or sticking their skinny legs (oddly) out of thigh high slitted evening gowns.”

I agree. Brangelina have millions of dollars and have tons of hired help to assist with the parental obligations. They had numerous nannies and a chef, personal trainer, chauffeurs, basically were living a very lavish lifestyle. If Brad was rumored to be out partying all the time, and I doubt Angelina was taking care of the kids all on her own, like a single mom would have done. She had tons of help and I’m sure the kids spent a lot of time with the hired help, especially the nannies, while Angie was travelling doing humanitarian work and making films.

Done4Good
Done4Good
7 years ago
Reply to  Kellia

I have tons of guilt as a working mom, even before I was a working, single mom. Having to put my daughter in daycare all day. Even as she’s in regular school now she still needs to be in before and after school care which means her day is almost 11 hours long. That’s a pretty long day for a 6-year old. It’s no wonder she clings to me at home during the slim window of time we have together between getting home at 6:00 and her bedtime. It sucks but what are my alternatives? At least these Narcs have the money and the time to spend with their kids but they still find reasons not to.

JK
JK
7 years ago
Reply to  Done4Good

I hope you can cut yourself some slack over your guilt. It sounds like you are doing the best you can under the circumstances. You are a single mom who is working hard to improve your life and the life of your daughter, and you are making the most of the time you have with her. I felt the same dropping my kids off at day care, and them having to go there after school when they got older until I could pick them up. But I loved the snot out of them in the mornings, worked close enough to sneak over at lunch and feed them bottles when they were little, and loved the snot out of them after we got home at night. Sometimes circumstances aren’t optimal, help is scarce (and I was married), there is never enough of you to spread around, and you make the best of the choices you have at the time. I’m proud of you, for what that’s worth. You should be too. (BTW, my kids are now 20 and 18, and spectacular).

Sylvia is Sad
Sylvia is Sad
7 years ago
Reply to  Done4Good

I am so sorry, Done4Good. That is a long day. Especially for a 6 year old.

I wonder…if you could find a background checked Senior Citizen who could pick her up from school and take her home? She would at least get to be in her room and could relax, play, have snacks, be with her “stuff” until you got home. Maybe a S.C. who wants to make some extra cash and is NOT mentally ill.
I think older people are safer…grandmother types.

I know you have thought of all these things, but I do feel for you. I was a child of the “long day” after my father left and I remember it.

Done4Good
Done4Good
7 years ago
Reply to  Sylvia is Sad

I have an older friend who is retired and picks her up early sometimes and takes her places. Then other times I try to take a day off during the month to have a long weekend with her. I am working on my MBA online so that hopefully someday I can have a job with a more flexible schedule (and more money would be helpful too.) It puts more stress on me to have to add study time on top of everything else but I am more than halfway done with my degree. The positive thing is that she sees me studying so I am hoping I am being a positive role model for her. Her dad may be a POD but her mom is working her butt off so we have a better life.

Tempest
Tempest
7 years ago
Reply to  Done4Good

You ARE setting a good role model for her! She will remember it, and will grow up mighty. Kids model their parents!

neverwouldhaveimagined
neverwouldhaveimagined
7 years ago
Reply to  Done4Good

Way to go Done4Good! You are mighty.

neverwouldhaveimagined
neverwouldhaveimagined
7 years ago

I will say I do love the way everyone is focused positively on Jen and feels this couple is getting their comeuppance. The public reaction reveals a dislike for this cheating couple, and they couldn’t seem to love a chump more. Yay, for people being vocal about being on the jilted and duped spouse’s side even after all this time. People definitely feel this is justice for the wife who had to deal with an affair destroying her marriage.

CourtneyS
CourtneyS
7 years ago

Agree with this. There is so much justification and excuse-making and normalization for cheating in our society (which seems to be one of Chump Lady’s main missions to dispel), it’s really nice to see people universally condemn it.

Tempest
Tempest
7 years ago

Wander through the myriad photos over years that Brad has had taken with beautiful women–Gwyneth, Jen, Angelina; even when he’s looking at them, he’s not really *looking* at them. Same with Ben Affleck. Both of them are suave, intelligent guys in love with themselves. The women are just an accessory.

nomar
nomar
7 years ago
Reply to  Tempest

Spot on with the accessory comment. It is a truism that narcissists never truly see other people except insofar as they can be of use to or reflect prestige back upon the narc. So, yeah, the way some might see an Hermes bag or a Rolex.

Sad Shelby
Sad Shelby
7 years ago
Reply to  nomar

Also very interesting about Brad is that when he was with a new woman he always changed himself to look like her. Mirroring much?!

Tempest
Tempest
7 years ago

And Jon Voight (her father) can spare us his publicity quotes about how he’s concerned for the children during the split–he cheated on Angelina’s mother, causing that family to break up.

(Why do I know this? How do I know this? Note to self: block People magazine alerts to my email; I don’t even subscribe to that mag.)

CourtneyS
CourtneyS
7 years ago
Reply to  Tempest

Agree Tempest. She doesn’t really talk about her dad, and that’s her choice as a child of divorce caused by his infidelity. She should shut his piehole.

Done4Good
Done4Good
7 years ago

I’m just sitting over here amused by the fact that recently a couple of my friends on Facebook had commented about what wonderful parents Brad and Angie were and such great humanitarians too. I guess I’m pretty tired of people shoving bad behavior under the rug and wrapping a pretty bow on it. Now that I understand more about narcissists and their need to show off their humanity to the world I commented back, “All I see are a couple of self-absorbed cheaters.”

One of the friends responded back that marriage takes two people and that basically Jen didn’t do enough to keep Brad happy in the marriage. So I guess in her mind, his cheating was acceptable to her. Deep breath here….

Yeah, I said okay, and the adult thing to do here was one of two things. Tell Jen he wasn’t happy and that they needed to work on the marriage OR it wasn’t working out and that they needed to end the marriage (before inserting another partner into the picture). Both of these actions are the result of a responsible, mature partner who deals with his marriage in a respectful manner. Lying and sneaking around behind your partner’s back is the exact opposite of being respectful. It doesn’t matter what shape your marriage is in at the time.

The friend didn’t respond back and actually blocked me for a few days. No one argued my point either. Yesterday when this news bite popped up, I shared it and only questioned whether his possible cheating was the reason Angie didn’t want to share parenting rights. Suddenly, the fact that he might have cheated on Angie is changing the view for some people on whether Brad is the bad guy but still not Angie. People really have a wonky sense of culpability.

CourtneyS
CourtneyS
7 years ago
Reply to  Done4Good

Done4good, I hate the “it takes two to tango” argument. If nobody and no marriage is perfect, then everyone is justified in cheating. Every chump did SOMETHING wrong in their marriage. So where’s the bar? Wherever the cheater says it is? Please… And a spouse who is difficult or has mental health issues deserves love and compassion, not infidelity. Heck, my husband emotionaly and financially abused me, as Narcs do, but that never made someone else’s dick fall into my vagina.

WhichWayDidSheGo
WhichWayDidSheGo
7 years ago
Reply to  CourtneyS

“And a spouse who is difficult or has mental health issues deserves love and compassion, not infidelity.”

Thanks for saying this. I despair at times that my mental health issues make me unlovable. The way people throw around the terms “crazy” and so on makes it clear that our society has a long way to go to appreciate mental maladies in the way we look at cancer and other illnesses.

I know that living with someone with mental health issues isn’t easy. But hell, no one is easy to live with all of the time. And if the sick person is cognizant of their issues, is working on getting and staying healthy, and doesn’t take their illness out on others, I see no reason to think any better of someone who cheats and/or abandons that person than someone who does the same to someone with cancer, MS, whatever.

Sad Shelby
Sad Shelby
7 years ago

The people that are ACTUALLY crazy (disordered screwed up cheaters, etc.) never know they are crazy! Half the battle is the acknowledgment of the issue! Any health issues should never make one unlovable. Being a big dick head and not trying to fix one’s dick headed tendencies should render one unlovable.

Snoopy1
Snoopy1
7 years ago

WhichWayDidSheGo-
You sound very sweet and it pains me to hear that you are in such emotional turmoil.
Additionally, you seem to be judged rather harshly by others for having emotions.
That isn’t right.
You are human. We have emotions. Upsetting situations = emotional upset for the recipient.
Don’t let any apathetic moronic piece of shit tell you otherwise or put you down.
FUCK THEM. You have a beautiful soul, don’t ever forget that or let anyone negate that fact for a second! <3

Sylvia is Sad
Sylvia is Sad
7 years ago
Reply to  Snoopy1

Well said and true.

thensome
thensome
7 years ago
Reply to  Sylvia is Sad

Whichway,

Mental illness is so misunderstood. You are brave and sensitive. A loving partner will help you through that and stand beside you as you get the help you need. You are receiving help and that is great. Don’t blame yourself for an illness. You didn’t deserve to be cheated on because you have a mental illness. In fact, you deserved kindness and honesty because of that. You keep believing in yourself.

Wiseoldowl
Wiseoldowl
7 years ago
Reply to  thensome

My mom is/was a szitophrenic and I was always judged by her actions. My siblings and I feared our whole young lives we would turn out, “like mom”

Although I do think my two siblings have some mild depression and we all have a wee bit of social anxiety, We/I turned out so much more normal (IMO) than the people who judged and pre-judged us.

I can’t believe some of the way many aquiantences conduct themselves in their daily lives.

That fact that I of all people turned out ok is amazing. I have a confidence I’ve never had before although I do judge unfairly sometimes as we all do, I never make assumptions of someone I don’t know well and I never tie someone’s behavior to their family as was done to me.

25 years ago when I met my husband, his family seemed so wholesome and stable and I wanted to be a part of that type of a family. It turns out most of them were and are bat-shit crazy and just hid it well.

Never be ashamed of who you are. It’s so destructive and unproductive. Everyone has something to deal with that we can’t see. Shyness, alcoholism, jealousy, eating disorders, lying….. No one is below anyone in this life and in reality, thinking we are is unproductive.

Of course there are murderers, pedophiles, and illness that are not normal, but on average, if you’re reading this, you’re doing ok. Probably better than ok because you are taking an interest in yourself and your life.

CourtneyS
CourtneyS
7 years ago

Whichway–You are not unlovable! You are working on yourself and thinking about others- that deserves to be commended. You do not deserve what your cheater did. Chin up! Here’s to your bright future WITHOUT someone who was dragging you down when they should have been lifting you up.

Sylvia is Sad
Sylvia is Sad
7 years ago
Reply to  CourtneyS

Yes, just the insights you show about yourself and others are hard evidence that you are NOT crazy.

WWDSG- the people who desperately need help NEVER even acknowledge that they are even wrong! Let alone need help. They refuse to seek treatment or often tell their victims THEY are crazy.

Your keen awareness of other’s comfort and happiness, coupled with your clear compassion and respect for fidelity make you a “prize” in my book.

PucksMuse
PucksMuse
7 years ago

My prediction: Brad claims that his face blindness kept him from realizing he was sleeping with someone other than his wife.

Peakyblinders
Peakyblinders
7 years ago
Reply to  PucksMuse

I have another prediction… haven’t seen anyone mention Sex addiction counseling for Brad! He’s gotta be the next Hollywood candidate… 🙂

Kay
Kay
7 years ago
Reply to  PucksMuse

I was thinking that too lol Tempest. And I feel gross cause I know all this stuff. Ha!! When Angelina first did movies, I never thought she was pretty. Something about her was unattractive to me. But then I realized I was the only one! they are both cheaters. But not my circus (thank the Lord) not my monkeys.

Dixie Chump
Dixie Chump
7 years ago
Reply to  Kay

What must it be like to have sex with a living skeleton?!

Sylvia is Sad
Sylvia is Sad
7 years ago
Reply to  Dixie Chump

This is so gross, but my sister said it best:

Jolie looks like she would smell like stale cigarettes, semen, dirty hair and the whiff of someone in extreme ketone breakdown.

Aniston looks like she would smell like Hawaiian Tropic sun lotion and strawberries.

I, too…never got the appeal. Hard angles, dead eyes and tattoos. PASS.

Pearshaped
Pearshaped
7 years ago
Reply to  Sylvia is Sad

Sylvia, isn’t that the new perfume from Estee Lauder?

Sylvia is Sad
Sylvia is Sad
7 years ago
Reply to  Pearshaped

It may not be too far off. I love perfume.

And I was reading the review of Sarah Jessica Parker’s new unisex fragrance Stash, because I was going to order it and she said (SJP)

“It seems like B.O….like a guy whose has been riding the Eurail too long.”
I did not order it.

The best perfumes (in my opinion) are from Le Labo. Google it. They are pricey but amazing.

People stop me a lot and say, What are you wearing? I wear Another 13, but they have all sorts of fragrances. If you have migraines or are smell sensitive, they have some light scents, Ambrette 9.

Shechump
Shechump
7 years ago
Reply to  Sylvia is Sad

Migraines here.
I found a nice sun tan spray in Hawaii that smells like tropical fruit.
It’s delicious and doesn’t bother my head – and it does double duty.

FindingBliss
FindingBliss
7 years ago
Reply to  Sylvia is Sad

Smells like Someone in extreme ketone breakdown..

Your sister is hilarious!

Sylvia is Sad
Sylvia is Sad
7 years ago
Reply to  FindingBliss

Thanks! She really is. I mean…she has me crying I laugh so hard. She is so quick witted.

And…the very first time I had a date with my X…she said, Sissy…I got a bad feeling. Don’t see him again.

?

Marci
Marci
7 years ago
Reply to  Sylvia is Sad

I suspect that in real life Angelina must have some sort of charisma or energy that attracts people.

I don’t think she is photogenic…to me she is the classic skank look, but my partner says no she is sexy!

When I questioned that, he said, well…maybe not so much sexy as just fuckable. Ewwww.

LovedaJackass
LovedaJackass
7 years ago
Reply to  Marci

She’s way too thin. The bone structure of her face is gorgeous, I think, but she lacks genuine warmth. Like most narcissists.

Tempest
Tempest
7 years ago
Reply to  LovedaJackass

I agree she is beautiful, but I’m always tempted to order her an XL pizza.

Shechump
Shechump
7 years ago
Reply to  Tempest

LAJ – ‘She’s way too thin.’

I think I’d be thin too raising 6 young kids, with a thin mother, and a very busy life.
I cannot possibly critizise the way anybody is built as much of it is genetic and not every thin person has a disease.
She had just gone through a lot of major surgery.
Not to mention, it sounds like she may have been going through D-days, even while she was going thru surgery.

Please folks, let’s not be too hard on judging these people on their looks.
Seriously, their talent is good enough to be on the huge screens and Angie IS an Oscar winner, whatever you say.

Even tho they may be talented, and therefore rich and famous, they still put their pants on every day and have children run into their bedrooms too early in the morning. The appeared to be very family oriented, and I’ll give them that.
I think it’s a horror if Brad cheated on his 6 kids.
Why adopt those other 3 if he wasn’t committed.

I think too many folks are missing the point that this woman was cheated on and hired a PI.
When she had an affair with Brad (which she denies, how do we know it’s not true?) while married, she only had 3 kids.
And, THEY went on to make 3 more.
Brad accepted it ALL.

I would Freeze the guy out too.

Pearshaped
Pearshaped
7 years ago
Reply to  Kay

I’ll second that, Kay. It seems catty to say it, but I don’t see the fascination either.

Movingon@51
Movingon@51
7 years ago

How could he betray and let down all those kids? Just goes to show these kinds are not attached or connected to anyone!

Kellia
Kellia
7 years ago
Reply to  Movingon@51

I know. He was also doing hard core drugs and parties with Russian hookers. Really, is this how a family man behaves?

Geode
Geode
7 years ago
Reply to  Kellia

Well for Dr. Crazy it was self prescribed Rx and Cheesehead hookers but he had the “family man” thing down pretty good too.

LiningUpDucks
LiningUpDucks
7 years ago

Inevitable. Was just a matter of who would cheat first (Angelina or Brad).

Blindside
Blindside
7 years ago

Lesson for us all – you can never change somebody from fundamentally who they are. You simply do not have that power, so never kid yourself into thinking that somehow you’re special enough to be the first to do it.

I hoped my spouse would change back to the trustworthy faithful person I thought she was – but I’ve finally figured out that that will never happen and that there’s nothing I can ever do to make it happen. Heck if Angelina Jolie cannot change her spouse, then what chance do I have?

LovedaJackass
LovedaJackass
7 years ago
Reply to  Blindside

We can never change other people. Ever.

WhichWayDidSheGo
WhichWayDidSheGo
7 years ago
Reply to  Blindside

This was a hard lesson for me to learn, and I admit to being a bit touchy when it comes to talking about how stupid the APs are for thinking they’re getting something special; I wasn’t an AP, but I still eagerly pursued and loved someone with a checkered past (to put it mildly). I bought all of her lies about me being what she’d always been looking for, how she had learned from her mistakes and matured, blah blah blah. In the end I was a speed bump as she barreled on down her fucked up road. Affair partners aren’t the only ones who think, “yeah, but they’d never do it to me”. Ask me how I know.

Peakyblinders
Peakyblinders
7 years ago

It’s too much to assume that people actually do mature and grow. I’m starting to find that harder and harder to believe the older I get… “Ask me how I know” 😉

Done4Good
Done4Good
7 years ago
Reply to  Blindside

Women, naturally self criticize. Now take a woman and have her face her husband’s infidelity and watch her demolish her self esteem bit by bit as she compares herself to the OW. Shallow attributes alone (looks) are typically what attracts a cheater. We’ve seen beautiful people, by conventional standards, being cheated on and wonder how that happens. Then we realize, it’s never about the one that’s cheated upon, it’s all about the cheater. Whatever is fundamentally wrong with a person that can do that cannot be fixed, nor do they want to be fixed. As for the person gaining a cheater, they have their own mental issues to work out. The Chumps may have their own issues to deal with, but we have the best possiblity for learning from our mistakes and going off to have better lives. These disordered people are to be pitied really, for many of them never even realize how empty their lives really are and what they are missing out on.

Mag
Mag
7 years ago

Neither is a very admirable person. Adopting a zillion kids does not prove anything, when other people raise them. They seem like little more then photo ops (#wheredemorphansat?)

I understand they had an “open” marriage (with disclosure), and she tolerated many of Brad’s vices ( weed, recreational medications and partying ) as part of the marriage agreements. If this was acceptable for years, I find it humorous that she “caught” him cheating.

More spin, more publicity, (haha Brad got his due.)

Lyn
Lyn
7 years ago

My mind just keeps going back to the day I heard Brad say that his life with Jennifer was just so boring…https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2038222/Brad-Pitt-says-Jennifer-Aniston-isnt-dull-I-cruel-marriage-comments.html

…then Jennifer’s comment that Brad was “missing an sensitivity chip.” I definitely related to her comment. https://www.people.com/people/article/0,,1089091,00.html

It’s interesting to me that Brad tells interviewers that he’s still good friends with Aniston. Sounds like damage control to me, or do all cheaters believe their fantasy that no one was harmed by their decisions?

Tempest
Tempest
7 years ago
Reply to  Lyn

PSA: Caught cheating? Pick one of these explanations from the cheater handbook:

a-“My marriage is/was boring.”
b-“We grew apart.”
c-“My spouse doesn’t understand me.”
d-“Marriage is sexless (but not really).”
e-“My spouse is flawed/boring/too familiar.”

expatChump
expatChump
7 years ago
Reply to  Tempest

Our maybe it was actually sexless, because he’d been withholding for years.

Sunrise
Sunrise
7 years ago
Reply to  Tempest

Tempest: my ex husband, Douchecanoe, just asked me to inform you that, while highly creative and eminently useful, your posting is seriously deficient in that it’s missing an option that precisely describes our marriage…
f – “all the above”

Tempest
Tempest
7 years ago
Reply to  Sunrise

I’m sorry, Sunrise, you’re right–there should have been an “all of the above.” What was I thinking?

NfV
NfV
7 years ago
Reply to  Tempest

I confess, I don’t know a damned thing about Brangel-whoever, except I don’t much find any of them visually appealing (and he can’t act for shit).

But I’d just like to say, on the subject of cheater movie stars, how much I have come to loathe Katharine Hepburn, who is always made out to be some kind of heroine because she “had to” cheat with Spencer Tracy for decades. “Had to”.

Give. Me. A. Break.

Maybe she was a good hanger for a pair of pants, but to paraphrase the famous review: “her morals ran the gamut from A to B”. As did Spencer Tracy’s. assholes, all.

Anita
Anita
7 years ago
Reply to  NfV

I hate Katherine and Spencer. And anyone known for being “romantic” because they are cheaters. And she is considered to be a feminist role model ???

BetterDays
BetterDays
7 years ago
Reply to  Lyn

Gah, Brad sounds just like Cheese Fries in that interview. He’s another one who was such a sad sausage because his life was so boring and all he did was sit on the couch so he had to go find whores to entertain him. Funny thing is, my life got a lot more fun and interesting without that resentful, entitled lump taking up space on the couch.

I think cheaters WANT to believe their fantasy delusions, and they think as long as everyone goes along with their lies, that’s the same thing as truth. That’s why they get so angry when you call them on their bullshit.

CourtneyS
CourtneyS
7 years ago
Reply to  BetterDays

Spot on BetterDays. Sometimes my X reminds me of George Constanza: “it’s not a lie if you believe it”.

A few years ago my friend’s nanny was stealing her stuff. The police told my friend that the best thing she could do is provide proof. She did. The police brought the nanny in, and she swore, SWORE up and down she did not take a thing. Then they showed her the video tape. Finally she admitted it.

It’s fascinating. My X will never admit he did anything wrong at all if he thinks you can’t prove it. If you do prove him wrong, you get cold-eye stare and pouty face.

When we were married, if I ever said to him “hey, I feel like you’re treating me like this or that and it’s hurting my feelings”, the rest of the day was spent with me apologizing him for hurting him by bringing that up or accusing him of doing anything remotely wrong. Now that I’m free from him, I see how f*cked up it was. Like Chump Lady says, someone who loves you who is told that they are hurting you immediately feels so bad and wants you not to feel hurt. They don’t get defensive.

I’m so grateful not to be dealing with his abuse. AP, it’s all yours.

Geode
Geode
7 years ago
Reply to  CourtneyS

I had the same dynamic. I look back and think of all the times he got angry or pouty instead of being loving and supportive. I remember thinking WTF? during those times. Now I know: the wrong emotion for the situation is typical for the disordered.

GetMeFree
GetMeFree
7 years ago
Reply to  CourtneyS

My STBX did the same thing. I kept trying to get him to see that his actions, choices, or words were hurting me and the kids. Not even the cheating part, just everyday things like being an hour late for dinner or make plans to do things with friends and skipping out of activities with the kids, etc. I could not wrap my head around the possibility that he really did not care about our feelings. And he always turned things around so I then felt guilty over it or left to feel as if I should just deal and get over it.

Peakyblinders
Peakyblinders
7 years ago
Reply to  GetMeFree

Did that with my XH for 7 years GetMeFree and he NEVER changed. You think you’re talking sense, but it’s more like you’re talking to a BRICK WALL

CeliA
CeliA
7 years ago
Reply to  CourtneyS

Yes, I’ve also been in that f*cked up dynamic. It was all about him and his feelings! I guess this is what they meant when they say you feel as though you are stepping on eggshells. One comment making him unhappy and there I was mired in a deluge of guilty feelings.

When the DDays start unfolding and I’ve been talking with other people who support me, I realize how messed up it was that I have allowed myself focusing so much energy on him always (why did I think I didn’t matter too??). SO glad to be far away from the crazy-making now and beginning my journey towards healing.

CourtneyS
CourtneyS
7 years ago
Reply to  CeliA

Exactly the same- classic borderline. Glad we’re both free!

Marked711
Marked711
7 years ago

I haven’t read all the comments, but does it seem strange that this movie is about two assassins that fall in love on a mission, and Mr & Mrs Smith was about two assassins that feel in love? Just saying, coincidence?

Marked711
Marked711
7 years ago
Reply to  Marked711

Fell in love…… darn autocorrect.

Shechump
Shechump
7 years ago
Reply to  Marked711

And, their new movie they made together, ‘By The Sea’, where they play a married couple with marital problems.

Kind of Woody Allen creepy when he made ‘Husbands and Wives’.

Peakyblinders
Peakyblinders
7 years ago
Reply to  Marked711

you meant lurv.. lol

yo
yo
7 years ago

Remember when she started losing weight? She had always been slim and didnt need to lose any weight. She began to look gaunt and sickly. I wonder if he had started cheating then. The tabloids said they were fighting. Hmmmm

maimai
maimai
7 years ago

I have a friend who used to work in PR. She has met Angelina and says that she is a genuinely lovely person but a little scatterbrained. Judging by her tumultuous childhood and poor relationship with her father, she was probably perfect OW material. That does not excuse her messing around with a married man but cheaters like Brad tend to be attracted to the weakest animals in the herd.
I feel sorry for the kids, but c’est la vie. I am sure that one of them will grace the public with a ‘Mommy Dearest’ style autobiography in another 20-30 years time.

nomar
nomar
7 years ago

It’s being cast as marriage with the potential for remarriage to other beautiful and dramatic people down the line. You might know it by its more common name in the world of marketing, “brand extension.” #soulless

nomar
nomar
7 years ago
Reply to  nomar

Ugh. Meant “divorce with the potential.” My editing skills are on par with Brangelina’s monogamy skills.