Cardi B and Offset: The Reconciliation Didn’t Take

Grammy award-winning rapper Cardi B and her cheater husband Offset once tried reconciliation. Now they’re embroiled in an acrimonious divorce. No unicorn here.

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I went down a celebrity rabbit hole on couples who stayed together after cheating scandals and clicked on this Women’s Health article… from 2018. Oh, the hopium. Where are they today? Pink… still chasing the unicorn with Carey Hart. Sarah Jessica Parker… still hanging in there with Ferris Bueller. (Does that dick still wander? Anyone? ANYONE?)

But Cardi B is stuck in a protracted divorce with Offset.

If you regret breeding with a FW, hey, it happens to celebrities too. If you escaped the RIC Koolaid that being cheated on would somehow improve your marriage? So did Cardi B. Here’s her evolution on taking back a cheater.

From that 2018 article:

After rumors circulated about her husband Offset having an affair just four months after their wedding, Cardi took to Twitter, according to People. She addressed the rumors by tweeting: “This s— happens to everyone and I be too, you too…People handle they relationship different soo.”

This happens to everyone?

No, fortunately not everyone is trapped in the cheater / chump dynamic. Healthy relationships exist. The defeatist Better The Devil You Know mindfuck is another tenet of the RIC. You can’t do any better, and you must be coupled at all costs, so stay together. Lower your expectations. Hey, he said he was sorry.

And how did that sorry age? Fast forward to this People magazine article, May 30, 2025:

Cardi B is speaking her mind about Offset.

The Grammy winner, 32, shared a message for her estranged husband while talking to fans on X Spaces on Friday, May 30 — one day after TMZreported the Migos MC filed an amended divorce response asking Cardi for spousal support earlier this month.

The “Bodak Yellow” rapper shared her thoughts to X shortly after “waking up to” a spokesperson for Offset, 33, telling The Breakfast Club that Cardi was asking for “everything” in the divorce.

“The fact that I’m waking up right now to see that this f— n—- and his f— ass team — I know it’s not his team, I know it’s his bitch ass — gonna tell The Breakfast Club the only reason why this motherf—-er asking for spousal support [is] because I was asking for everything and because I don’t be with my kids… Yo, you such a f—-ing p—- ass n—-,” Cardi said, per a recording of her X comments shared by Hollywood Unlocked.

“Word to my mother. I want you to die, but I want you to die f—ing slow, n—-,” she added. “When you die, n—-, I want you to die slow in the bed. And when you die, n—-, you gotta think of me.”

Chump Nation, raise your hand if your cheater dragged out the divorce and demanded more money? Wanting you to pay for the privilege to legally dissolve the relationship that they destroyed? Oh, is that all of you?

The reconciliation brochures always skip this stuff. Financial entitlement? Check. Threats over custody? Check. Litigation abuse? Check.

((((Cardi B)))

“There is not one day he’s not allowed to see my kids, okay? He stood up my kids three times,” Cardi said, claiming that Offset has seen their youngest child “only like five times.”

“And I’ve been trying to save your face… Stop playing, because you don’t want to look like less of a bitch ass n—-,” she added. “You talk to the kids almost every single day. You call the kids almost every single day. I allow you to talk to the kids every single day. If I allow you to talk to the kids, why would I not allow you to see the kids?”

Cardi later added that she wanted her children to feel the “love of both parents, even if we’re not together,” before alleging that Offset hasn’t seen their children since March.

Oh, yes, playing the parental alienation card for the children the FW can’t be bothered to see. Lived that one too.

What does Offset have energy for? Controlling Cardi B’s post-FW life.

While Offset drags out the divorce, Cardi B has moved on and is dating New England Patriots wide receiver Stefon Diggs.

On social media, Offset wrote “I’m happy for her!” Cardi B tells a different story.

People magazine reports, April 2025:

Offset’s comment comes after Cardi — who performed at Revolve Festival over the weekend — claimed that her estranged husband had allegedly been stalking and harassing her amid their divorce during a live X Spaces conversation.

“This guy is upset that I sent his girlfriend text messages of him begging me, saying he was going to take away his life, saying he was going to take away my life,” Cardi claimed of Offset, from whom she filed for divorce for a second time in July 2024. “All that s—, he was mad.”

She also alleged that Offset had been harassing her rumored boyfriend. “Mind you, he sent text messages to somebody I was dealing with of videos of me and him having sex. That’s the kind of s— that I was dealing with for the past two months.”

“Every time he knows that I go out of town he harasses me,” she continued, alleging that he leaves her “voice notes trying to pull my self-esteem to the ground and I’m so tired of it.”

Why should I care what celebrities do in their personal lives, Tracy? It’s not like I have millions of dollars and an NFL boyfriend.

FWs are not original.

Abusers abuse in all the same ways. There are only so many moves on the manipulation chessboard. Being talented, gorgeous, and rich didn’t save Cardi B from being chumped, or Christie Brinkley for that matter. That FW wasn’t going to turn into a unicorn. He’s still the same devaluing, controlling, entitled freak he’s always been.

I’m glad Cardi B realized she deserved better. Pink, I hope you’re watching.

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LookingForwardsToTuesday
LookingForwardsToTuesday
4 months ago

Yup … I’m a fully paid up member of the “My Ex dragged the divorce out and made ridiculous financial demands on the way out.” Sadly, our Cheaters lack the self-respect to act in a manner that treats the divorce as anything other than the last chance to get a few “low blows” in against the Chump and to grab as much money as they can on the way out.

I hope that Cardi B’s legal team crush her Ex’s demands like the dried dogsh*t they clearly are.

LFTT

Dontfeellikedancin
Dontfeellikedancin
4 months ago

“Dried dogsh*t” had me cackling. So descriptive, so true.

I also am a member of the Dragged-Out Divorce club. I raised the kids while FW traveled around (all week every week!) for his military jobs. He dragged out the divorce for two unnecessary years, mainly over financial stuff. He actually won on the battle over splitting personal retirement accounts, as the judge said I was young enough to make up for time lost to family care. But his delay pushed the marriage over the ten-year mark, allowing me to claim a percentage of his military retirement, which I otherwise would not have been able to do. He was so mad.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes 🤷 I wish Cardi similar karma!

Last edited 4 months ago by Dontfeellikedancin
LookingForwardsToTuesday
LookingForwardsToTuesday
4 months ago

DFLD,

It’s funny how our Cheaters lack the ability to think “Strategically” and do things “Because they can,” even though they don’t actually work in their favour in the long run.

Ex-Mrs LFTT ended up being “strongly advised” by the Judge in our Divorce case to accept pretty much what had been on the table from the get go. Sadly for her, she had spent so long (and so much money on her Legal Team) trying to argue the settlement up, she ended up much worse off than she would have been had she agreed to my original offer. In her case, her relentless focus on the “Gross” figure meant that she lost sight of the “Net” figure (ie the settlement minus her costs); truly case of her spending many thousands to win a few hundred.

Her and her dumbass AP truly deserve each other.

LFTT

Dontfeellikedancin
Dontfeellikedancin
4 months ago

I swear there must be a playbook. I don’t know what the final numbers will work out to, but I’d bet the whole retirement fight will break even in the end, just with a whole lot of extra paperwork and wasted time.

Even if it ever did work in a FW’s favor, the audacity is still astounding.

Last edited 4 months ago by Dontfeellikedancin
LookingForwardsToTuesday
LookingForwardsToTuesday
4 months ago

DFLD,

I don’t know about a playbook, but Cheaters sure love conforming to a cliché or two. And as for the extra paperwork or time, I think that’s the point …. they just love making things difficult for the Chump to get away and start afresh. Some of the damage they cause is financial, some of it is emotional and some of it is just wasting our time for no reason.

Hope you get out soon.

LFTT

1dayatatime
1dayatatime
4 months ago

What I love is the outrage they feel when, after dragging evvvvverything out and making the divorce process a super-expensive living hell, they cannot figure out why we can’t be friends. Genuinely upset and angry he’s not invited for Christmas. Dude, WTH? Get lost.

Chumpty Dumpty
Chumpty Dumpty
4 months ago
Reply to  1dayatatime

Maybe he sees himself as the acting-out kid whose “mom” (you!) (Sorry!) will still love him no matter how badly he behaves.

SortofOverIt
SortofOverIt
4 months ago
Reply to  1dayatatime

This really is astounding, no? He cheated for years. Then post D-Day he didn’t want a divorce. He didn’t want an open marriage either (not that i was up for that anyway). He wanted to keep Schmoops, and openly keep me as some kind of platonic wife appliance. Just the most classic cake searching endeavor ever, but taken to the extreme. When I said no to all that, he became more angry than usual and made my life hell. For years. And now he laments that we can’t be friends. WHY would I be his friend? No one in my life has ever hurt me so deeply in so myriad an array of ways.

He frequently comments that he does not understand it. How is it hard to understand? It should also be noted that all his friendships are superficial and he drops people from his good graces at the drop of a hat. Casual acquaintances that do something he sees in any way as problematic in general, not even against him specifically, and they are dead to him. But me, he hurts in every way possible, him the person I should have been able to trust above all others, and he can’t undestand why I would not want to keep him in my life?

Elsie_
Elsie_
4 months ago
Reply to  1dayatatime

I still have people on the outskirts of my life who shame me for not being friends. And on what planet do you live where we’re supposed to be friends with our enemies?

SortofOverIt
SortofOverIt
4 months ago
Reply to  Elsie_

The thing is, if you had a platonic buddy that completely screwed you over and you stopped talking to them, cut them out of your life, I bet those same people would say “Good for you!”

There is some different standard some outsiders reserve for spouses, especially if kids are involved. But the facts are the facts. If someone is not trustworthy and safe for you to rely on, they need to go. Doesn’t matter if you were married 1 year, or 40. Doesn’t matter if you have children with them. Friends should be safe people you can trust and rely on. Period.

Elsie_
Elsie_
4 months ago
Reply to  SortofOverIt

I agree. These are religious people who live in a happy world where everyone is lovely and behaves well. They don’t get how important healthy boundaries are.

As my attorney said several times, “Only a fool would be friends with the person who burned down their house.” Close the chapter and move on, but you don’t have to be friends.

Mr Wonderfuls Ex
Mr Wonderfuls Ex
4 months ago
Reply to  1dayatatime

We were attempting a settlement conference. I would not accept a parenting agreement which included him coming to my house to drop off our child. I said clearly that I wanted a neutral location. I don’t want him on my property, near me, near my vehicle, etc. Klootzak sat there and said, “I don’t understand why she doesn’t want me near her.” My attorney said, because you took the wheels off her car! Because you tried to kick in the door of the house! Because you keyed her new car!” They think they can do all these harmful things and we will still magically want them around. It’s sick.

SortofOverIt
SortofOverIt
4 months ago

“I don’t understand why she doesn’t want me near her.” 

When mine talks like that I often wonder if he truly is that dense, or is he just faking it. As in “if i say I don’t understand it, people around will assume I haven’t done anything to warrant this treatment and will think she is crazy and/or mean”.

FYI_
FYI_
4 months ago

Took the wheels off your car?! Jesus!

Elizabeth Lee
Elizabeth Lee
4 months ago
Reply to  1dayatatime

Oh yeah. The jerk was super mad that I didn’t act all chummy after the divorce was final. I think he fully expected to have his fling with the other woman and then resume the marriage after it was over. What a fool.

SortofOverIt
SortofOverIt
4 months ago
Reply to  Elizabeth Lee

I have so much to say on this thread, I think I have already commented 5 times. lol

But yes, mine was similar. D-Day happened, and then it took 3 years before we separated. The affair had been going on for 6 years by the time he moved out. But it was long distance. And it ended as he was moving out. She never even moved to our state. At that point, he started a hard press for reconciliation with me. After a 6 year affair, 3 of which happened as we lived together and he terrorized me with it. When I declined that offer, he turned it into “YOU are ending this marriage. YOU are throwing away decades together”

I mean, it was as clear as day that had she moved here when we separated, they would have rode off into the sunset. It couldn’t be any more obvious that he had no interest in reconciling until she dumped him for good. He certainly had no desire to reconcile the 3 years post d-day that we stayed living togeher. I asked! I tried!

It is absolutely amazing the way their shriveled little brains work.

Elizabeth Lee
Elizabeth Lee
4 months ago

Oh, yes, playing the parental alienation card for the children the FW can’t be bothered to see. Lived that one too.”

Same. The jerk took me to court multiple times for more visitation when he couldn’t be bothered to see the kids. Demanded vacation time that he didn’t bother to use. Such an utter asshole. Told everybody he knew that I was keeping the kids from him.

On the one vacation that he took some of the kids on, he missed his flight, but blamed me. Because I told him a time to pick up the kids on his way to the airport, but he NEEDED to go back to his house further from the airport before leaving. And after missing the flight he rescheduled to bring them back a day early. Which he didn’t even bother to tell me. It was a total nightmare.

Chumpty Dumpty
Chumpty Dumpty
4 months ago
Reply to  Elizabeth Lee

My ex also started up with parental alienation before he’d even left the house and carried out his plans to ditch us. Sees his daughters once or twice a year ever since and doesn’t even tell them where he lives. Never calls them. And four years later, post divorce, still feels entitled to email me insulting, rude, hostile, disrespectful, multiple emails and say whatever he wants. He just did it again yesterday. I still live in the house in both our names and can’t get my own mortgage because he deserted us and I went broke with the help of lawyers. He owns the car I drive our child in. I emailed him because I had to ask him to add his kids to the auto insurance so they can learn to drive. Of course he used that opportunity to insult and harass me. This is a professional man, 60 years old. Presents at international conferences. Kept all his friends and relatives and smeared me. This is POST a four-year divorce marked by parental alienation false accusations, non-production, and smears by his willing lawyer. I ran out of money and had to represent myself.

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Chumpty Dumpty
Chumpty Dumpty
4 months ago
Reply to  Chumpty Dumpty

… oh yes and he also told everyone that I was stopping HIM from seeing the children. Also that I had kicked him out of the house. So not only did he abandon his kids and wife, he turned the truth around to make himself look like a victim and to smear me. And he smears his children!

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Elsie_
Elsie_
4 months ago

Yes, as if burning down marriage and family wasn’t “enough,” he gave me a long, expensive divorce and closeout. Four years from the time he left to the last legal threat.

He truly held us in high esteem (cough, cough).

GoodFriend
GoodFriend
4 months ago

He demanded 50/50 custody, moved into a deluxe apartment with great amenities (pool, etc.) that were CLOSED to kids, then moved his work and hobby equipment into his second bedroom and said tween could sleep on the couch.

Refused to provide financials for his hidden money and dragged out divorce and custody proceedings endlessly.

Told tween repeatedly he was going to send hit men to kill me and tween’s pets.

At some point, he mentioned he could see us getting back together in a decade or so.
Why on earth would I want to? He got no contact with tween, and I grey rock when he occasionally texts, emails or calls.

Adelante
Adelante
4 months ago

As it happens, I was just yesterday cleaning out my email, and ran across emails I’d saved from the time of the divorce, exchanges with him and with my lawyer. Took me right back to his leaving the entire process of divorce up to me. I got the lawyer and filed. He had no lawyer, because, he said, he didn’t want an adversarial divorce (as if he were doing me a favor leaving all the paperwork up to me), but wanted to control the split of marital assets, thinking I should simply accept his idea of how to do it.

I was willing not to take everything I was entitled to, just to get out fast. My lawyer actually told me she wouldn’t be doing her due diligence if she didn’t tell me that I was leaving several tens of thousands of dollars on the table, because I sold him my share of the house for at least ten thousand below what I would have gotten if we’d put it on the market, and asked for only a small bit of his retirement funds after I discovered, when filling out the paperwork, the disparity between what we each had. He was furious, and agreed only, he said, “not because it was fair, but so the whole thing would become more of a sh-tshow than it was already”

As for the court hearing, I asked him not to come, and he pushed back because, he said, it seemed “wrong not to be there for one of the most important days of my life,” and because he wanted to make sure that “things didn’t go against me at the last minute” in court, meaning he was afraid I might ask for more money at the hearing. (In fact, I think I could have, when the judge asked me whether I was satisfied with the settlement, but I didn’t.) He finally decided not to be there, which was a huge relief.

But he has, of course, persisted in believing I wronged him by asking for that token amount, instead of realizing he got off with more than 50% of our assets.

Last edited 4 months ago by Adelante
Elsie_
Elsie_
4 months ago
Reply to  Adelante

Mine was reportedly shocked that I put up a fight, and then complained and complained about the 50/50 split of marital assets, saying that I took him to the cleaners.

Well, that’s why I’m glad he lives in another state. He gets to spin whatever yarn he likes.

Last edited 4 months ago by Elsie_
lizvocal
lizvocal
4 months ago
Reply to  Elsie_

LOL My FW needed the divorce to be over quickly, because he had other legal problems that would go after the value of the house if he lost. So he named a price, and my parents gave him the money to buy out his share of the house. It was indeed less than he could have gotten, but again, he set the amount. Maybe six months later, he complained to my mother that he didn’t get enough money for the house. My mother, soft touch that she is, called me to tell me how wronged he was feeling. I had to remind her that he set the price, which she should remember, since she was part of the process. I did not inherit my mother’s soft heart.

ChumpInSunlight
ChumpInSunlight
4 months ago

8 years out and still being dragged through court. And yet he is still regularly shocked and angry that I don’t participate in image management for him. He believes that is everyone’s job! 🙄

JeffWashington
JeffWashington
4 months ago

I suddenly have a whole new level of respect for Cardi.

I may have to point to those tweets(I still refuse to call it X) anytime somebody needs to see what the Chump mindset looks like. Oscillating so rapidly between eloquent and reasonable to “I want this individual to die slowly while I watch and laugh” and then right back to reasonable. That was me circa September of 2023.

The fact that my fuckwit LOVED Cardi and she also betrayed one of her heroes, too? Icing on the cake.

Feliz Jueves!

Best Thing
Best Thing
4 months ago
Reply to  JeffWashington

You can type it out as “Xitter”, pronounced “Shitter”.

Dontfeellikedancin
Dontfeellikedancin
4 months ago

Note she keeps to herself (as far as I know, I like her but don’t follow her) until he starts spewing BS publicly and then she immediately corrects the record, with expletives absolutely called for, IMO.

Good luck to Cardi and her kids!!

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
4 months ago

It’s simply impossible that someone who engages in this level of post-separation coercive control didn’t also engage in coercive control during the relationship. If she’s divorcing in California and can prove CC occurred in the last five years, Cardi B may be able to gain full custody according to CA law.

I hope she does for her children’s sake. According to Dr. Emma Katz’s research, coercively controlling partners are typically abusive parents as well.

Chumpty Dumpty
Chumpty Dumpty
4 months ago

Does anyone on here communicate with Emma Katz? She was interviewed at NewsNation, where my ex FW recently went to work as a booker. It would be entirely in keeping with his propensity to project for him to have literally befriended a coercive control expert and then given her a career boost in an effort to make her like him and be indebted to him. I hope I’m wrong but I was struck by the coincidence that she appeared on the same TV station he books for!

Last edited 4 months ago by Chumpty Dumpty
Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
4 months ago
Reply to  Chumpty Dumpty

Dr. Katz seems very engaged with her Substack readers. You could easily visit or sign up for her Substack, click her name in the byline and use the message feature to drop a dime on you ex. I’m sure she wouldn’t be at all surprised since she writes a lot about how abusers pretend to be everyone’s favorite guy outside the home.

I also think she’d appreciate the heads up. I swear if it wasn’t for media assholes trying to play “woke” to get laid or launder their filthy reps, no feminist writer or expert would ever get airtime. But that means feminist advocates might regularly get dosed with douche-radiation. Forewarned is forearmed and would at least afford them the chance to take their anti-creepo supplements beforehand lol.

Chumpty Dumpty
Chumpty Dumpty
4 months ago

HOAC unfortunately my fw’s line of work has brought a dispiriting cascade of family law and RIC professionals into a crisis of conflict between careerism and principles. He represented access to their being held up as “experts” in the national media. Many succumbed and i found myself abandoned a second time by lawyers and RIC members seduced by the prospect of “being on TV”, or even just being friends with someone who “puts people on TV”. Lawyers and authors, like these disordered FWs, are also in the business of image management.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
4 months ago
Reply to  Chumpty Dumpty

I think this article makes the case that Katz is 100% victim centered: https://dremmakatz.substack.com/p/she-didnt-pick-wrong-society-failed?utm_source=publication-search

Domestically abusive men don’t typically reveal their real thoughts and intentions on a first date, nor on the 10th date. They usually start out seeming really nice. Abusive words and actions are slowly and subtly introduced, alongside a lot of “nice” behaviour that dilutes the impacts of this subtle abuse. They typically wait until the target is entangled and entrapped – after moving in together, marrying them or expecting a baby with them – until they start to abuse more obviously.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
4 months ago
Reply to  Chumpty Dumpty

I think if you follow Dr. Katz’s Substack, you’d see that her views are diametrically opposed to RIC. She takes no prisoners with abusers which I imagine makes her far more immune to their insidious “charms.”

Adelante
Adelante
4 months ago
Reply to  Chumpty Dumpty

Wouldn’t surprise me at all. My ex was Mr. Feminist to our colleagues, while at home his female sexual persona was the epitome of everything feminists fight against. I always wished I could expose Mr. “I Should Dress for You” (meaning women should dress the way “their” men want them to) and Mr. “Do What You Want With Me” and Mr. “I Want to Be Punished”–so glad to be away from all that misogynist perversion.

PrincipledLife
PrincipledLife
4 months ago
Reply to  Adelante

Same with me, Adelante. Super libertarian and equal rights, but I was to be his servant/beard and adore his inner femme and his trans attire…all of which was news to me on Dday. By news, I mean like stepping on an live land mine. It was a maze of lies, built on a foundation of lies, and glued together with lies.

He HATED women, as it turns out. By which I mean real women, hair in a scrunchy, taking kids to the pediatrician, to basketball practice, working, living, being real. He wanted to be a teenage girl/whore. Most of his porn was women hog-tied, beaten, bruised, bloody, underage, tortured, forced enemas, labia hooked up to multiple shock devices, such that a woman’s vagina would be torn apart if electricity applied. Talked about torturing, killing, starving people. Didn’t know about any of that either. He threatened my life. You can’t go to the police while still living together because you’ll be killed, and you can’t go after he’s removed because they think you are a bitter, soon-to-be-ex wife with no reason to fear because, hey, he’s gone. A bazillion statistics to show that is the riskiest time.

I see less and less justice in anything these days. Freedom and justice, freedom and justice, on Juneteenth and every day. That is my prayer.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
4 months ago
Reply to  PrincipledLife

Was he a US libertarian? Hah, FW in my situation suddenly began purporting libertarianism during his drunken affair.

At first I thought he was just trying to reconcile the fact that the AP came from a radical right wing trad clan– shift his politics a bit so as not to cause friction. But the more I thought about it, the more it seems that when someone is going through the werewolf transformation from groovy-woke-social-democrat dude to all out misogynist creep, of course they would adopt US libertarianism as an economic system.

Though I’ve met some North Americans who naively believe US neoliberalism is about actual personal freedom, I generally see fanatical faith in that economic approach as a flaming red flag (like most people in the third world do). Then again some might simply confuse it for the original Euro version of anarcho-socialist libertarianism (for instance, women’s equality increased dramatically during the libertarian socialist experiment in Spain before Franco nixed it).

But, as you probably know, US libertarianism stems from Milton Friedman’s “free market” cult that only grants “freedom” for corporations and the oligarchy. Personally I think the use of the word “free/liberty” in the term is just false advertising and entryism for new fangled monastic rule (totalitarianism), the most extreme embodiment of which was probably Chile under Pinochet which is why, during the 2019 protest against inequality in Santiago, over a million people poured into the streets carrying signs saying “Chau, Chicago” (i.e., Milton Friedman and the “Chicago Boys”) and covered the city in graffiti saying things like “Chile was the cradle of neoliberalism and Chile will be its grave.”

If you Google the state of women’s rights under Pinochet, the Argentine junta or several other Latin American dictatorships that followed the neoliberal model, it’s pretty clear that the system doesn’t promote equality. In fact, I personally suspect neoliberalism is, deep down, an attempt to return to rapey ape rule and may be all about sexual dominance and control. Chilean filmmaker Pablo Larrain’s early films set in the dictatorship like Postmortem and Fuga make exactly that point.

Anyway, blah blah, Noam Chomsky explains it better than I can. https://chomsky.info/072015-2/

If you look at the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, I think Article 19 says that every person must have the right to express themselves without constraint and to impart and receive information over the widest possible range. That’s the positive right.
That was a battleground in the 1930s and 1940s. Particularly right after the Second World War, there were high level commissions taking both sides. And the position that won out is what was called corporate libertarianism, meaning corporations have the right to do anything they want without any interference.
But people don’t have any rights. Like you and I don’t have the right to receive information. Technically, we can impart information if we can buy a newspaper, but the idea that you should be a public voice that people, to the extent that this society’s democratic and participatory, was eliminated in the United States. And that’s called libertarianism. Meaning mega-corporations can do what they like without interference.

Last edited 4 months ago by Hell of a Chump
PrincipledLife
PrincipledLife
4 months ago

Hi Hell of a Chump:

When I was a kid I went to Sunday school for a few months at a local church. The real reason I went was not religious: it was because some marketing genius there sold cupcakes to kids for a nickel apiece. I can still remember the great shining miracle of that to my baby self, that lived in a home with sprouts, yogurt and whole grain bread. I was a cupcake Christian.

I suspect my husband is a libido libertarian. It simply comports well with his outsider status and secret doctrine of total freedom for himself. But the longer I knew him the more I realized that his beliefs were like clothing: he could change them at will, toss out old things without a backward glance and don sparkly new attire in a heartbeat. His core beliefs are his sexual compulsions and obsessions; all else are props.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
4 months ago
Reply to  PrincipledLife

Ah, that was brilliant: cupcake Christian and libido libertarian! Ditto growing up with sprouts and yogurt at home, lol. Having lunch at other kids’ houses was Nirvana because ultra-processed food was such a novelty.

I also saw the waffling ideology and opportunistic shifts in FW and wasn’t alone in noticing. A normally calm friend of FW’s went into a hissing, cursing rage during the affair in reaction to FW’s sudden apologism towards Trump. The friend actually drove FW to tears which was very satisfying since I was increasingly intimidated and cowed during that time and didn’t dare point out the political inconsistency. In response to his friend’s scathing criticism, FW ran out and bought a bunch of books on socialism and propped them prominently around the house lest his social democrat cousins start noticing the same political inconstancy his friend had.

After D-day, it occurred to me that FW’s friend’s reaction to his political waffling was so shattering to him because, deep down, he understood it was emblematic of how the more straight arrow and mentally healthier people in his life (the ones he pretended affinity to) would have responded to his cheating not to mention who he was doing it with. Also after D-Day, I realized that American libertarianism is the perfect political ideology for abusers and cheaters since the freedomy association is entirely deceptive and really means “freedom for me but not for thee.” I think this is because those who believe in it always see themselves as “frustrated millionaires” as Steinbeck put it, so they identify themselves with the profiteers and ruling class even if they’re currently getting shot in the ass under that system.

Some take it further and frame neoliberalism as a Ponzi scheme which also kind of meshes with serial cheating in a way. But I digress (as usual). In any event, no wonder he drifted in that political direction while cheating. But, as you alluded, basically the changeability says there was never any “there” there to begin with.

PrincipledLife
PrincipledLife
4 months ago

I relate to everything you say. My husband had a lot of props as well. It took me an embarassing amount of time to realize I was one of them.

My brother, sister and I were pariahs at the school lunch table, where everyone traded like Wall Street hucksters. No one ever wanted to swap for a soggy tuna sandwhich on whole grain bread with piles of sprouts and an apple. How I longed for a PBJ on lovely soft white bread, with a side order of ho-hos, chips and chocolate milk!

You made me laugh and brought back memories 🙂

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
4 months ago
Reply to  PrincipledLife

I chalk up my family’s health food bug to my dad who’d been dumped in an underfunded urban orphanage at birth and suffered malnutrition to the point it caused bone development issues and a painful jaw surgery in his teens. Then he was drafted and suffered army food.

I can’t complain too much because his taste in cuisine leaned towards healthy Mediterranean which isn’t so bad. Lots of al dente vegetables and whole grain pasta. Plus my health seems to be pretty resilient even in middle age despite all sorts of deleterious stress.

For instance, my integrative doctor (who’s only two years older than me) just got some fancy new machine that crunches bio-data to factor biological age and apparently I’m “25.” We were laughing our asses off when the machine spit out the number.

But I did feel seriously deprived of Count Chocula breakfast cereal at age 9. 😉

Chumpty Dumpty
Chumpty Dumpty
4 months ago
Reply to  PrincipledLife

Dear Principled Life: the more time is put between myself and my life with my FW, the more my own world view is restored, and the yucky soup that he swims in recedes. The world isn’t just. But with time, your own nature and peace that you had before him will grow and spread, and flood out that period of your life. Hang in there!

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Bluewren
Bluewren
4 months ago

Giirrrrllll
Come sit by me- we’re all gonna have to scoootch up a little at this big old table.

They always have to show their ass one more time and get shot back down- but they’ll keep trying until the bitter end although everyone in the court is laughing at them and no lawyer will touch them due to their fuckery and antics.

I was supposed to get divorced yesterday- I loved that here it was Juneteenth – the irony 😆but it didn’t happen because good ol FW tried to use MY law team to serve me.
I gave them a few facts to report back to him.
Number one- they were no longer my law team since the property had been sorted.

Number two- I’m not paying for FW’s litigation.

Number 3 – you need to get the person you’re divorcing’s name right on all documentation.

All those years and can’t even remember my full name.

PrincipledLife
PrincipledLife
4 months ago

Seems like CardiB tried the discreet apppraoch first, until UpChuck decided to take it public, and also hurt and disrespected the kids. That brings out MamaBear in any woman.
#TeamCardiB, #FuckUpChuck

2xchump
2xchump
4 months ago

The whole illusion that cheaters are “sorry” and then the RIC puts frosting on the warm pile of lies, does NOT mean you are safe and can let go of your anger and TRUST.
The cheater just goes deeper underground, knows you better and your defenses, gets emboldened and more entitled..Rich rapper or frugal SAHM are all in the same life boat on the Titanic. Protect yourself and believe nothing next week or 10 years from now. Never ever let your guard down

Archer
Archer
4 months ago
Reply to  2xchump

“Never let your guard down” yep over a quarter century between D days and I bet it’s because FW got sneakier. That’s the kind of life a Chump lives if they stay as the RIC often suggests. Is it any wonder so many of us get cancer, autoimmune diseases while married?
Cardi at least has the money to fight Offset. He was a sea of red flags that trifling a##