Cheater Ex Has Cancer, She Has Conflicted Feelings

cheater ex cancer

Her cheater ex has kidney cancer and she feels terrible that she doesn’t feel terrible. If anything, she hates that her children are showing compassion for him.

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Dear Chump Lady,

My ex cheated 20 years ago at massage parlours, maintained a porn addiction since and then left me for a woman 15 years younger three years ago.

My heart was broken and my life fell apart.

I picked up the pieces and am ‘getting there’ now. I’ve started dating again. I am 63. I’ve proved to myself that I can manage alone and am better without a FW. I have four grown-up sons and six grandkids.

After the betrayal, the relationship between my sons and their wives and their Dad was frosty. They all told him exactly what they thought of his behaviour. I was glad he got a rollicking from them and has lost out on all the lovely family times we used to have. I liked that they were mad at him and seeing him infrequently. 

Now, they tell me, the relationship with the affair partner has ended and he has got kidney cancer. And he is in a lot of pain and might need an operation.

I feel terrible because something in me is glad about the karma.

But also I’m jealous of the kindness and attention he is now getting from our sons. They feel pity for him, are taking him to hospital appointments, taking meals round for him as he can’t move easily. 

I feel like a monster for having these feelings. I guess I’m jealous of the attention he’s getting. Truth is, I don’t want them to forgive him and ‘let him off the hook’ just because he’s ill. He still betrayed me and rode roughshod over me and has never apologised. 

Can you help me sort myself out? Or tell me off or something? 

Thanks

40 Years with a FW

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Dear 40 Years with a FW,

Why would I tell you off? You raised decent human beings. Whatever their feelings about their father, they’re showing up for him when he’s sick and vulnerable. Regardless of whether or not he deserves it. I think that’s less of “letting him off the hook” and more an expression of their values.

If they wanted to go no contact and let him change his own bedpans, that would be a different discussion. But I think most people, even with the worst parents, feel a filial duty that’s very difficult to sever. As I write here often, their relationship with their dad is THEIR business. If they forgive him, if they begrudgingly take him to his chemo with simmering resentment, whatever, it’s their feelings to work out.

I think it’s more likely that they see your ex as the big life loser.

He’s sick. (You’re not.) Schmoopie left him. (You’re dating.) He crashed and burned, you’re rebuilding your life. Heck, you have a life to rebuild. He could very well be at the end of his.

None of this is fair and I doubt very much like you feel like the winner. “Forty Years with a FW” says it all. But to your adult children, it may appear very different. You’re the steady, sane parent and he’s a hot mess.

For 40 years, he abused his power. He enjoyed his secret sexual basement and his wife appliance. It was good to be king. Now like every deposed despot, he’s pathetic. Think of Saddam Hussein cowering in a dirt hole.

The mighty tyrant has fallen!

But you will never forget how you suffered when he was in power. When others see a feeble man in a ditch.

I feel terrible because something in me is glad about the karma.

You’re entitled to your schadenfreude. You earned every complicated feeling. I just wouldn’t dwell there because your new life, with freedom, sanity, and grandchildren deserves more of your attention than your ex’s kidneys.

Thank God you’re out.

Can you imagine having to caregive a man who was checked out with his affairs for 40 years? The burden and the ingratitude of that? Your ex bought and paid for every. single. consequence.

And I do not mean cancer. That’s not Karma, that’s cells dividing weirdly. I mean the consequence of devaluing real show-up love for a Schmoopie who bailed. Because of course she did. He found someone as transactional as he is.

But also I’m jealous of the kindness and attention he is now getting from our sons. They feel pity for him, are taking him to hospital appointments, taking meals round for him as he can’t move easily. 

What a tragedy. Your ex spent his best years checked out on those sons, prioritizing his wandering dick. Prostitution, affairs, and addictions take time and money. Now, this is the time they have left. They deserved a better father and they got this one.

Meanwhile, you have years of family get togethers. The spoils of legacy and grandchildren. Whatever your flaws, your history with your children isn’t poisoned.

Truth is, I don’t want them to forgive him and ‘let him off the hook’ just because he’s ill.

You don’t control that. And if they forgive him or not, it doesn’t change the trajectory of his life. Or yours.

He still betrayed me and rode roughshod over me and has never apologised. 

I’m sorry. He sucks. And how’s that working out for him?

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LookingForwardsToTuesday
LookingForwardsToTuesday
1 month ago

40 Years with a FW,

The mere fact that you are questioning your own feelings in this matter and that you admit to feeling conflicted shows your compassion and humanity.

There is no simple answer to the situation that you find yourself in, however my advice would be that you continue to maintain as much detachment from your FW as you can, but do so congnisant of the fact that your (now adult) children will be likely finding this difficult. They know who their father is and what he has done (to you and them), but they will also be aware that his is sick and probably very frightened. It is absolutely possible for them to want to show him some degree of support and kindness without forgiving him (or condoning what he did) in the slightest.

Be there for them, but with boundaries put in place to avoid you getting drawn in to the wider situation with your FW.

LFTT

Mr Wonderfuls Ex
Mr Wonderfuls Ex
1 month ago

“You’re entitled to your schadenfreude. You earned every complicated feeling.”

The FW’s behavior and double life created this. The schadenfreude is from having sorted out that he sucks and wishing him every consequence for his actions. The fact that you once loved him with your whole heart and that you love your children and grandchildren so deeply creates the complicated feelings. It’s hard to see the family you love seem to be so taken in by this person you know sucks. But really, they know he sucks and they are trying to manage his end of life in a peaceful way. Their DNA has made them feel obligated to this being in spite of him being a FW.

As LFTT said, the fact you are struggling with these feelings is a big sign you are a good person. You know the reality of FW. Treat the kids like you would if they were teens with a lot of “bummer” and “wow.” You don’t need to hear the details of their support efforts more than necessary. FW is somebody you used to know. Shared history and all that. He made you suffer. Only a saint would not feel a level of satisfaction at his schmoops running off just when he needed a nurse. Thank goodness it isn’t you.

P.S. If you are in the U.S., you may want to call Social Security to see if your ex spouse widow benefits will be higher than what you collect on your own record.

Kate
Kate
1 month ago

I feel for you. I was with FW for 37 years, he discarded me like a dirty tissue – all the post-separation abuse. My adult children were disgusted with how he treated them. Two years later 3 of them see their father occasionally, my second son has refused to have anything to do with him. Now ex has prostate cancer. It was a weird feeling to find out – I felt nothing for my ex, just immediately concerned for my children. Ex is playing the perfectly turned sad sausage with them – dinners out (I can’t afford to take them out and foot the bill), etc. I’ve felt just as you do – at one point thinking maybe if I get cancer they’ll pay more attention. Then I realise that’s my little child inside feeling the injustice, feeling insecure and jealous. Once I got past that I realised that my kids care about me so much. They’ve been there for me and are relaxing now they see how hard I’ve worked to make a new happy life. My precious time with my kids and grandkids is full of fun and laughter, the kids are closer and we have a good family life. He has none of that. It’s surface stuff – they acknowledge that, but it’s complicated. You can dislike bad behaviour in parents and really not like them, but there is an innate need to love and seek the love of your parent however shitty they are. It’s been a couple of months now and I’m at peace with it now. Their relationship with him will never come close to their relationship with me. I’m the one they come to when things get tricky and their father just doesn’t have those skills. They realise that I did a lot of the heavy lifting in the family relationships. I hope he will do the work to make things better with them, although I doubt it. I would like them to have a good relationship with him as neither me or my ex grew up with a father. I really get how you feel. It is a gut wrench sometimes, but it won’t take away from your relationship. As CL says, you raised loving, kind people. Give your inner little girl a big hug and tell her well done. She did just great. X

40 Years Lost
40 Years Lost
1 month ago
Reply to  Kate

Thank you Kate that is so helpful

Velvet Hammer
Velvet Hammer
1 month ago

You feel bad because of THOUGHTS and FEELINGS, which are things that happen to you and out of your control. How you RESPOND to them is what you have control over. Your ensuing ACTIONS are what you are responsible for.

If you were a bad person, you wouldn’t feel terrible.

Your former husband and his side pieces didn’t give a flying F about actually hurting you and your children with their INTENTIONAL ACTIONS.

The involved children get the worst seats in the infidelity house IMHO. The loyalty issues created by cheating are a torturous mindf**k, and I have great sympathy for any child of any age who has to navigate that. I believe their position is far worse than mine to reconcile. Ending a relationship ethically is painful but does not put your children’s head in a vise and tighten it like cheating does.

Children have a different relationship than I with the cheater, which I keep foremost in mind. It’s an awful bayonet wound to deal with.

At the end of the day, I want to support however my daughter feels because I have no idea what it’s like to be in her shoes. I just know that it’s awful and I don’t want to compound the mindf**k head vise situation her dad put her in.

Most of all, I don’t want her to be like him, and I don’t want her to be like the side pieces. Despite however I may feel, I end up being grateful for any behavior which shows that she isn’t.

❤️

Last edited 1 month ago by Velvet Hammer
Velvet Hammer
Velvet Hammer
1 month ago
Reply to  Velvet Hammer

And for the record, I was initially very troubled by my own dark thoughts and feelings that popped up, until I realized that my dismay actually indicated I was likely a pretty decent person.

Now when my dark thoughts and feelings about Traitor Ex and the side pieces pop up, I accept them. It’s completely normal to have them toward people who beat the emotional sh*t out of me and my daughter. But I don’t do or say anything that would compromise my dignity, my integrity, my credibility, or make me vulnerable to the intervention of law enforcement.

Sadly betrayal has also made me think twice about automatically feeling sympathy for elderly people whose families want nothing to do with them. I don’t know the details of how they treated others and just because someone is elderly does not mean they are kindly. I used to thank law enforcement, firefighters, and military personnel without hesitation until reading the stories here made me wonder if they had secret sexual basements…..

Infidelity is like the acid spewed by the creature in the movie Alien that burns through the hull of the spaceship. It ruins so much more than just the primary relationship….

😪

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SortofOverIt
SortofOverIt
1 month ago

40 Years,

What a big pile of icky feelings. As others have said, the very fact that you find these feelings icky says everything we need to know about your good character.

You raised good humans, no thanks to him.

I would like to offer an alternate perspective. Maybe they aren’t doing this for him at all. Sometimes we are faced with sticky situations and we have to choose the option WE can live with. They see a FW that is ill and has no support. They may not think he deserves the support at all, but maybe they just don’t want to risk feeling regret over NOT helping him. You can think someone sucks and is getting what they have coming to them (ie dump your loyal wife for a flightly AP and when you need help, you have no one) and still feel like the right thing for YOU is to help.

Adelante
Adelante
1 month ago
Reply to  SortofOverIt

I would like to second your thoughts that it’s entirely possible that the sons are acting out of their own values, their own sense of duty, and, perhaps, even out of a feeling, whether consciously acknowledged or not, that they want to show their father what family support and loyalty is supposed to look like.

I had a complicated relationship with my mother, for whom I was the primary caretaker the final three years of her life, and who failed to keep me (and herself) safe from my abusive father, even after I’d stopped him when he had her down on the floor strangling her. I took on the burden of care because I couldn’t see myself abandoning my mother to the life she would have if I had not done so, and there were many times during those years that I thought to myself that I was showing my mother what keeping a vulnerable person safe really looked like.

That said, I have at times struggled with worry that my ex and his new partner would “steal” my son from me, although in the seven years since we divorced that fear has been put to rest, and I once told my son that one positive thing about his father’s having a partner was the she would have to care for him when he got old, and my son would be off the hook. That said, If my ex were ill, and my son stepped up to help, I would no doubt feel that his father doesn’t deserve him, but I would see my son as the better person for helping out. And if my son decided not to help, I would feel that my ex was reaping what he sowed.

FYI_
FYI_
1 month ago

I’m shocked — shocked, I tell you! — that Schmoopie peaced out.

40 Years Lost
40 Years Lost
1 month ago
Reply to  FYI_

I’m so satisfied about that I can tell you

40 Years Lost
40 Years Lost
1 month ago

Thanks for replying Tracy, your clear-sightedness is appreciated as always. Yes, he found someone ‘as transactional as he is’ I am delighted it fell apart, especially after I had to endure hearing about how she understood him blah blah

Velvet Hammer
Velvet Hammer
1 month ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

Speaking of “hafuckityha”, Olivia Nuzzi got roasted royally by Tim Bulwark on his YouTube podcast yesterday….

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 month ago
Reply to  Velvet Hammer

Please share the specific link where Nuzzi is roasted? I need a laugh. So far the Bulwark report (hosted by Tim Miller) seems to be giving her a platform and isn’t being all that hardball with her (or only a little, probably be pre-agreement).

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 month ago
Reply to  Velvet Hammer

Hafuckityha indeed. Big Peter Capaldi fan here give or take a few of his mildly unwoke moments.

I wish Peter Capaldi would wax poetic about Nuzzi. Fuckitybye. 😉

FYI_
FYI_
1 month ago
Reply to  Velvet Hammer

She’s getting roasted everywhere.

Stepbystep
Stepbystep
1 month ago

The OW in my case is literally a “nurse with a purse”. Finding out he was taking her to her outpatient procedures while we were married was mounting evidence of their affair. There’s a familial intimacy in that level of caregiving that is triggering. Keep up those boundaries because FW’s love the centrality.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 month ago

The Saddam-in-a-hole comparison is perfect. I remember when cable news kept that scene of him moments before execution on a loop and I couldn’t stand it. As evil as I knew he was (as the Kurds whom he mass-poisoned knew too well), he just looked like a scared old animal. In the same sense, I would have trouble watching a dying hyena even though hyenas are probably the least lovable creatures on the planet.

But then, see, I’m not a Kurd nor a lioness who just watched her cubs torn to pieces by a hyena pack. So I agree with CL that Forty Years has license not to be moved by her ex abuser’s current pathos.

She also has license to be very uncomfortable with her sons’ reactions to Saddam-in-a-hole (just like Kurdish survivors of atrocity might be frustrated and unsettled by anyone’s view of Saddam as pathetic).

Lately, I’ve been hearing so many stories of abusers trying to inculcate their kids and turn them against victim parents that it’s giving me nightmares and making me mull and brood on the issue a lot, look into social research on it (Dr. Emma Katz on Substack, Dr. Christine Cocchiola on Youtube) and, when I still can’t quite wrap my head around it, also collect cinematic or literary analogies.

Injustice like that terrifies and infuriates me and, considering how diabolically manipulative abusers are, it’s reasonable to fear they can steal critical allies from victims. But, in this case, I somehow sense this father/son reunion isn’t going to go down quite as Kumbaya as 40 Years fears. In fact, by the end of it, I have a feeling these sons are going to have even greater respect for their mother and what she’s endured. There’s always the risk that one of the sons may be tied up in knots and bamboozled with grief and guilt but something tells me that would only be temporary and things would right themselves.

The reason I think this is that my gut tells me that even if ailing dad has hit rock bottom in his life and finds himself alone and ill and temporarily humbled, at some point he’s going to start grasping for ego kibble. Less likely is that he’ll be wallowing in thorough regret. But, either way, it will highlight what a paragon 40 Years has been all along.

One of my youthful ambitions was to be a theater and film director (until I found out it wasn’t a shield against rampant sexual harassment in the industry) and I still watch life with a director’s eye for character motivation and perspective or collect and file scenes or performances in films and plays which I think capture something most people find impossible to describe.

And because the experience that 40 Years is going through is one of those impossible to describe dynamics, please bear with me while I resort to the weird exercise of filtering it through “art”. Heads up for lots of spoilers:

So imagining that I’m directing scenes in which adult sons have suspended their resentment of their traitorous father while the latter endures cancer treatment, I realized that a creep like this would not be satisfied with “mere” care and attention. Nope, that’s impossible because baked-in creeps like this do not get sudden character transplants in my experience. Instead I think he’d continually nudge and prod and pry– whether subtly or brazenly– to try to exact total absolution for all his crimes from his sons, including trying to hijack approval for his misogynistic sleaziness and victim-blaming. Over time, I imagine the sons would start to feel slightly nauseated like they were being exposed to toxic emissions and being inculcated into disrespecting their mother. From the sound of it, 40 Years’ sons– since they managed to make it to adulthood without being groomed or spellbound by their abusive father– wouldn’t appreciate the attempt to turn them against their mother or to be roped into applauding their dad’s trashy exploits.

Given the usual characters of FWs, I think that’s the most likely scenario. At least one of my favorite directors (aside from Jane Campion, Ingmar Bergman, Agnieszka Holland, Istvan Szabo, Mararethe Von Trotta, too many to mention!) Robert Altman seemed to think that was the most likely outcome when you’ve got a dirtbag old dad and a son who somehow isn’t a “chip off the old block.” In any case, he wove a scene with similar elements into his film Short Cuts. The dynamics were a little different, involving a loser dad (mercilessly played by Jack Lemmon) foisting his presence at the hospital bedside of his young grandson and emotionally holding hostage his estranged adult son. But the sticky patheticness of Jack Lemmon’s character and his need to extract complicity from his humble, upstanding, grieving son– maybe even a kind of backslapping admiration– is the theme and actor Bruce Davidson’s face says it all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA54HPoUtpM

Altman was a veteran director and obviously a veteran of life. From his brilliant Gosford Park, Altman obviously enjoyed giving rapey bastards their comeuppance, including an unvarnished, tragic view of the harm they cause for generations. Another brilliant but clearly less life-experienced director might be Paul Thomas Anderson who shows two alternative outcomes for cancer ridden old FWs in his film Magnolia which, like Short Cuts and Gosford, is about intersecting lives. There’s the dying old FW who refuses to admit he raped his daughter when she was a child and, because of this, is abandoned by his wife who finally sides with her daughter. Meanwhile, the other dying old FW played by Jason Robards is wallowing in regret for how he treated his wife and somehow manages to drag his estranged son (surprisingly great performance by Tom Cruise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3VH5wfAoKA) to his deathbed for a moment of redemption.

I thought the film was clever in how it showed generational reenactment, where Cruise ends up a kind of Andrew Tate guru for misogynistic Incels, presumably because he was abandoned by his FW father and left to care for his dying mother when he was too young to process. I thought it was pretty insightful to show how this kind of rapistic misogyny is forged in childhood by abusive male role models, not by the moldy old Freudian “monstrous mommy” trope.

Cruise’s character expresses both rage and love for the comatose dad he ended up ironically emulating. But, to be honest, as well-intended as this story line in Magnolia was, I found it all too redemptively pat and I think Altman had the sharper grasp of how these things go down. Either the son becomes hardened by mistreatment to the point he has no “redemption” to offer his old bastard of a father or else he’s not hardened and will be made queasy by his father’s attempts to hijack redemption and complicity.

Anyway, as a kid I wanted to be a director because I felt that, at its best, art exposes profound truths that even psychoanalysts dither over and frequently get wrong. And by exposing truth, art can provide consensus and heal. Kind of like food, I think if art doesn’t heal, it kills and ain’t art. So I hope it’s a little reassuring to 40 Years that, at least according to an Oscar/Cannes winning director, adult men with genuine integrity are unlikely to be drawn over to the dark side even by a dying con artist father playing on their heart strings, largely because the dying con artist won’t be able to completely mask his own fetid ego for long.

Last edited 1 month ago by Hell of a Chump
OHFFS
OHFFS
1 month ago

40 years, you have done nothing wrong. You have these feelings, feelings which you obviously think you are wrong to have. You’re allowed to think those feelings are wrong, whether CN agrees with you on that or not. The thing is that you haven’t acted on these feelings. You haven’t called FW up to gloat over his suffering. You haven’t told your sons not to help him anymore. If all FW had ever done was feel the desire to go to prostitutes, but not acted on it, none of this would have happened. But unlike you, he did act on those feelings and that makes him the asshole.
Just cut yourself some slack. For whatever it’s worth, I think the way you feel is normal and understandable.

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Adelante
Adelante
1 month ago
Reply to  OHFFS

“If all FW had ever done was feel the desire to go to prostitutes, but not acted on it, none of this would have happened.”

Yes, the crucial differentiating factor!

charmee
charmee
1 month ago

My sons never showed any anger towards my ex for his behaviour from day one. He lasted with the new woman a summer, found someone else, moved in with her, now thats over and he is sitting in a house he can’t sell worth a million bucks. HIs health is in the toilet and they are seeing him do down hill. He is invited on cruises, holidays, etc. while I am left on my own devices because my parents are still alive 90 and 86 so I have someone. They always go to the one that needs them most, and he was a good dad to them for 30 years. They see for themselves who has the strength and their life together and who doesn’t. I am not trying to “win” anything, there are really no winners in divorce. I recently tried to talk to him at my granddaughters birthday party after 10 years apart. What was once a positive energetic fun guy, is a bitter broken old man who still doesn’t get how it all went south, that is the real tragedy…..

Archer
Archer
1 month ago
Reply to  charmee

I’m doubtful he was a “good dad” to them for any length of time. Cheaters are by definition not good parents

charmee
charmee
1 month ago
Reply to  Archer

I am leaving my sons feelings for their father up to them, after all they are better to deal with him above ground then have regrets if anything should happen to him with no closure. I don’t want that responsibility and don’t want anyone to hate someone on my behalf. I don’t even hate him. Its life it happened, you can bitter or you can get better, I have chosen the latter.

Elsie_
Elsie_
1 month ago

Having compassion for someone who did horrible things shows empathy. Nothing wrong with that, but whether you act on that or not is up to you.

My ex became very ill in the first weeks after he left. My first impulse was to go take care of him. I hinted with him that maybe he needed that, and he was emphatic about NO. Well, that was best, I thought. He frankly deserved the consequences of choosing to go to a different state with some suitcases. He landed where an old girlfriend lived, so I had to wonder what was really going on anyway.

There were other times after that when he needed assistance, and it turned out that his relatives helped. I didn’t find out until later. Yes, that was good.

I don’t know what I’d do now if I heard that he was headed towards the end. Probably just “that’s rough” and let him be. We’ve haven’t been in touch for years now, and our kids are grown and have nothing to do with him. We might not even hear that he is gone for awhile.

Velvet Hammer
Velvet Hammer
1 month ago

For whoever here needs motivation today and an authentic self-esteem battery charge…

Check out this conversation between Mel Robbins and Wallo….

Xxoo

https://youtu.be/0pYim783TCo

Memberofthechumpedclub
Memberofthechumpedclub
1 month ago

Just curious, has anyone experienced resentment from adult children and/or former in-laws due to not caring for a FW when they develop health problems? This is a scenario I could foresee in my situation — my cheating ex is almost a decade older than I am, and I spent 20+ years married to him, so I still feel the tug of commitment even though I am firmly no contact. I am impressed that the letter writer’s adult children are not trying to pull her into the orbit of caring for their dad. Seems like they understand and respect boundaries, as well as the consequences of cheating falling squarely upon the cheater — but are there situations where that doesn’t quite happen?

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Archer
Archer
1 month ago

Sounds victim blaming to me. If my crap former in laws/FW extended family ever dare to I’d snark back something about oh, the 7 figure sum he stole, murderous intent, DV incident in addition to chronic infidelity. Yeah STFU

GoodFriend
GoodFriend
1 month ago

No, but I got resentment from FW regarding my refusal to bring child to visit. My ex told me that he’d never forgive me for refusing to bring tween to visit him during the COVID shutdown, when he was lonely and depressed because there were bodies stacked up in the senior housing halls outside his door.

Not only would I have to violate facility policy for no visitors, it would also have violated the court orders for no contact between him and tween.

I doubt there were bodies stacked up outside his door, but if there were, and even if there weren’t, why would he want to put a child at risk physically and psychologically?

BTW, he didn’t want contact by phone. He wanted in-person visits from me and tween, no doubt to prove to others there that he was loved so much, we’d risk our lives to see him. He had his friends and even his nurse call me to ask if I would visit. When I told his nurse that I was his ex wife for valid reasons, she told me he was just looking for attention,

JeffWashington
JeffWashington
1 month ago

You are permitted to be angry and jealous and sad. This person betrayed you and shattered your reality. If anything, the “chump process” features a radioactive amount of “suppress your very human emotions because somebody else who wronged you has a sad.”

Given the situation? I’d be hurt and angry, too. Riding that spectrum from D-Day to Tuesday-what our fuckwits did to us is unpardonable harm.

The attention that he is getting (I did not see “terminal” in with cancer anywhere) is because from what it sounds like there is nobody else to care for him. In the Fuckwitian culture, there is the “find out” part-when you see people as disposable resources instead of people with wants and needs of their own, sooner or later you’re going to run out of people(and based on the representative sample arond these parts which is admittedly skewed, it’s usually right when you need them the most).

The attention and pity he’s getting? It’s transient. It sounds an awful lot like he wouldn’t be getting those things if he didn’t have cancer. Hmmm, it’s almost like a known entitled narcissist might be playing up a deplorable condition for secondary gain…where have we all heard THAT before?

He is very fortunate that your children are more patient, understanding, and well, human than he ever was. For his sake-I hope he evolved a soul somewhere in there and does not treat your children horribly as his kidneys are in full revolt against him and the rest of his being. They sound like compassionate, decent people(doubtless inherited from you!). They are able to use that same free will to assert your same boundaries with him if he gets cute with them.

If the fuckwit that birthed me is of any indication with how she continues to treat people as she stares down her later life? He’s got some lonely Thanksgivings coming up.

Continue taking care of yourself. He needs people to bring him food and take him to appointments. The things you have are not because somebody felt sorry for you-you earned them and have fought to keep them. He will continue to be awful and lose everything again. You? Nothing but gains moving forward.

Feliz Jueves!

Dudette
Dudette
1 month ago

This situation is similar to mine and so I am appreciating CL’s advice and the comments. I was dealing with cancer (the body does keep the score), an unexpected divorce, and my youngest child leaving for college – all at once. I downplayed my cancer surgeries so that my kids wouldn’t worry about me – they had enough to deal with. About a year after separating, my ex was diagnosed with oral cancer, HPV positive. It took every fiber in my being to not shout at every turn, “he has a STD, it is not real cancer, he does NOT deserve your sympathy”. The kids turned from being disgusted with their dad to feeling sorry for him. As they should. It looks like the radiation treatment for oral cancer is brutal.

We’re all alive (😬) and my ex still pulls crap on me when there’s a family event – graduation, funeral, wedding – putting the kids in the middle. I ended up back in therapy because my kids seemed to be ‘siding’ with him at each event. As it turns out I needed an impartial therapist to point out that my relationship with my kids is natural and real, whereas my ex needs to invent situations to get attention from them. With time they are starting to share funny/sad stories about his current life. His life is really shiny on the outside, but as CL says, a turd is still a turd.

40 Years, express concern about your kids’ dad in a meh kind of way. You have to swallow your true feelings but that’s what we take on as parents. If necessary, use my therapist’s advice and know that your relationship with your kids is natural and not forced. As CL says, be the sane & safe parent. It takes a lot of strength to not shout out your truth, but your kids will thank you in the long run. They know.

OHFFS
OHFFS
1 month ago
Reply to  Dudette

What do you mean about cancer caused by HPV not being real cancer?

Dudette
Dudette
1 month ago
Reply to  OHFFS

Archer explained it well. Multiple partners are a risk factor for getting HPV positive oral cancer. Given my ex’s behavior I wish his cancer could have been referred to as a STD.

I’m no expert but it’s my understanding that HPV, which typically caused cervical cancer, is now causing a large number of oral cancer cases.

Archer
Archer
1 month ago
Reply to  OHFFS

I’m not the commenter but strains of HPV causing cervical cancer is sexually transmitted so people can get it as anal or oral cancers also.

weedfree
weedfree
1 month ago

Id probably feel the same but then Sam Vaknin said something like after you have been with a narcissist your thoughts are not your own. I dunno about that but they do implant their darkness inside our minds, including wishing misery on others, or just simply not giving a shit about another human being. It is a battle trying to stay true to yourself.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 month ago
Reply to  weedfree

Yeah, unfortunately there is a sense of being “imprinted” by traumatic abuse. It’s not just children that “internalize.”. Certain abusers are so adept at causing psychological agony that their victims can develop defenses and a general defensiveness they hadn’t previously had.

Imtired
Imtired
1 month ago

And you have verified that he does have cancer?

Archer
Archer
1 month ago
Reply to  Imtired

That was my immediate question too. Narc cheaters are lower than low

Archer
Archer
1 month ago

Color me cynical but does FW actually have cancer? This FW sounds like a twin brother to my porn addicted escorts loving narcopath. I literally have encountered disordered people who lie about health diagnosis for attention and sympathy, including ex FIL who’s a FW himself.

My job is to protect my kids from exploitation. So if one day FW is dying then the kids helping a bit is OK, but only OK if they’re not depleting their own resources to do so. I’ve mentioned before that FW was considering a fatal accident for me, but what I don’t know is if that included our kids because main OW escort sure didn’t want to care for a disabled child.

Further manipulation and abuse of my kids is not acceptable to me no matter what illness FW has.

2xchump
2xchump
1 month ago

My #2 cheater had a mental illness and loved risky behavior including multiple partners. Leaving him set me free. His children ( my xsteps)have to deal with him now, he and his young new wife. My #1cheater also has an older wife to care for him and my children do alot for them both. Daughter flies in and out as he calls. None of this is my interest or care. I’m sorry for the children but I do my best not to be a burden to them by taking exceptional care of myself which includes no comments / questions/ concerns on either cheaters health. Or needs..The MEH or answers like COOL BUMMER WOW…That’s the key, no questions,no concerns unless you want to enter the chaos. Period. I see lots of women here in my 55plus Apts caring for thankless creeps who are still ooogling women, walker and all. I thank God every hour that I’m not one of them. Forever grateful.

Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
1 month ago

“And I do not mean cancer. That’s not Karma, that’s cells dividing weirdly. I mean the consequence of devaluing real show-up love for a Schmoopie who bailed. Because of course she did. He found someone as transactional as he is.”

Exactly right, Tracy.