Did Your Cheater Regift Things?

The Friday Challenge this week is: Did your cheater regift things? You’re all interchangeable, right? Sloppy seconds for everyone!
This was a suggested challenge and I thought, how have we not done this yet? Of course we’ve covered crappy gifts. (In fact, one of the best podcasts on Tell Me How You’re Mighty is Sarah and me reacting to your submissions of Worst Cheater Gifts.) And we’ve also covered why narcissists give bad gifts. But regifting is next level fuckwittery.
It’s one thing to give Schmoopie earrings, it’s quite another thing for a cheater to regift his wife’s earrings to Schmoopie.
If you think that is far-fetched, consider my cheater regifted me his ex-wife’s engagement ring. True story. (We compared notes when I tracked her down after D-Day.)
Here are my theories on this awful phenomenon.
Why do cheaters regift?
- They’re lazy.
- You’re all interchangeable.
- They enjoy knowing it’s regifted.
Laziness
What’s within reach? Did Aunt Mildred give him a set of screwdrivers for Christmas? Throw that in a bag and present it to you for Valentine’s Day. Whatever requires the least amount of effort, that’s what they think you deserve.
You’re interchangeable.
Thoughtful gift-giving requires consideration. You have to pay attention to your intended’s desires and interests. Narcissists are bad at empathy, as you’re all just extensions of their ego anyway. So who cares what satellites want? Did Schmoopie get the exact same scented candle you did? Hey, ladies like the candles.
They enjoy the mindfuck.
There’s so much bang for the manipulation buck with a regifted gift. They know you don’t know it’s regifted. (Power!) If you knew, you’d probably feel humiliated or insulted. (Kibbles!) They’re so very hurt you don’t LOVE your scented candle. (Sad sausage!)
So, CN, tell me about your cheater regifts. And TGIF!
Does it count as “regifting” when the Cheater decides to take something that was a gift to someone else and “regifts” it to themselves?
If so, I’ll start with the patchwork quilt cover that my mother made for our eldest daughter and which disappeared when Ex-Mrs LFTT left the kids and I, and the kids and I moved house for my work. Ex-Mrs LFTT blamed the disappearance on me being disorganised and “having lost it in the move” ……… which didn’t hold up at all when eldest daughter found the quilt cover on her mother’s bed in her mother’s apartment about 6 months later.
LFTT
Did your daughter take it back?
Cam,
Eldest daughter asked me to get it back on her behalf, which I did. She knew that her mother would gaslight/manipulate the sh*t out of her if she tried to get it back herself.
LFTT
Glad you were able to get it back for her. What a POS your ex is, my god.
Cam,
When I asked for the quilt back, Ex-Mrs LFTT went out of her way to make things difficult and then said that she “didn’t know what all of the fuss was about, as eldest daughter was at University and didn’t need it anyway.” I simply told her that “the quilt belonging to eldest daughter and her wanting it back might have something to do with it.”
“POS” doesn’t come close to describing the kind of person that Ex-Mrs LFTT is.
LFTT
After frequenting this site for a few years, nothing should surprise me. But this does!
Wow, yeah. That’s called stealing your own daughter’s stuff.
For the win! What a POS your FWXW is, LFTT! I’m so sorry for you and your children and your mom, although we should all be sorry for the FW because it must be crappy being herself. Keep rocking your new life, my friend, you sound like an awesome father.
Yikes. Kind of fits with my “de-evolution” theory that, when you strip human beings of the capacity for genuine love, they basically become apes in every sense imaginable.
From my own experience and things I’d read about “dah patriarchy” and ape evolution, I gathered that abusive men tend to be extremely jealous of all younger men, even their own sons which seems like a carryover from the fact males among our ape cousins never know which younger males in the troop are their own progeny.
Anyhoo, true to form, during FW’s cheating spree when one of my sons began excelling in classical music to the point of being admitted to a college program at 14, suddenly dad just had to learn piano. This creeped me out because FW clearly wasn’t motivated to learn music simply to get closer to his children. It’s not like he was organizing family music nights or singalongs and one of his biggest tantrums during the affair was when he objected to the kids learning a second instrument because… “blah blah blah nonsensical reason!” He was also very self-absorbed, snooty and sulky in studying keyboard, like “nobody bother the maestro at work!”
It was grossly hypocritical since he’d complained how his own father was always trying to one-up him as a kid and I took this for some knuckle dragging dude thing. But, after D-day, I got a bit of a hint that rivalry with children applies to she-FWs as well. Apparently the AP had became very jealous of this “musical family” thing and demanded FW buy her an extremely expensive musical instrument she’d once played briefly in grade school.
I just assumed the AP was competing with my kids for FW’s attention and esteem due to quasi-incestuous daddy issues. But from what you say, it seems some she-FWs can be ferelly jealous of their own daughters as well.
How disturbing and shameful but that’s monkeys for ya. 😮
Time for a vintage musical interlude– “Are we not (wo)men? We are DeVo!” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEPQXz-CkKQ
FWIW, my own very narcissistic mother was exactly the same in regard to my own activities and interests. She always had to compete with me in everything, no matter how obvious her lack of talent was. And of course, I was always expected to praise her performance (no matter how poor it was), while I could expect absolutely no praise in return.
What your mother did to you is the dictionary definition of “her loss.”
It breaks my heart when I think about my teen daughter, how I loved her uncontrollably from the first sonogram, how we’ve always been connected on some telepathic level as I was with my own mother, how I’d move heaven and earth for her happiness and freedom and how those bonds go beyond time, space and death itself.
But the interesting thing is that I had this modeled for me by a mother who was the way she was despite the fact her own mother was much like you describe yours to be. My grandmother was a very damaged sociopath. She always reminded me of the late Queen Elizabeth. Snobby, cold, emotionally impaired.
Just for an example, there’s this terrible story of how, when my mother was about five years old and her brother was two, a minor tsunami hit the New England beach they were visiting and her mother ran to save her brother and left my mother to drown.
By some miracle she didn’t. But her childhood was riddled with chilling accounts like this.
I can only conclude that some people are mysteriously able to emotionally evolve leaps and bounds beyond the toxic models they grew up with. It sounds like you’re one of the leapers and bounders.
My mom fancied herself a gourmet cook…maybe she was one – I wouldn’t know one sort of cook from the next as she never taught me anything about cooking ever. Once I get to be a young adult, she teased me about not cooking well. Once day when I was about 19, I was home alone and perfectly contented and the phone rang. It was mom, she said :
“Im over here at Jeans house and Jean said her daughter cooked her a fabulous meal yesterday and were all laughing because we all know that you could never do that”
“and you had to call me and tell me that everyone is making fun of me?”
Yea, she was.
Cheater glommed onto the cooking thing and would torment me about cooking in ways I told about here a few times. How wonderful for my tormentors that they could tag-team torment me about something. I loathe cooking to this day
The great irony of my life is that I’ve always detested cooking but ended up with picky kids with multiple serious food allergies and had to prepare and cook everything they ate from scratch. 😛
Your mother’s cracks sound like the usual misogynist trifecta of criticizing women’s purity (honesty), sexuality (appearance, sluttiness) and femininity (mothering, pleasing men and womanly arts). Her behavior also reminds me of a series of social research studies I read lately about the correlations between degree of “intrasexual competitiveness” in women, indirect social aggression (triangulated scapegoating attacks), depression, internalized misogyny, promiscuity, eating disorders and rape myth acceptance.
In other words, science proves that every accusation from a narcissist is usually a confession.
Here’s a few.
Intrasexual competition and indirect social aggression: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3826209/#:~:text=Human%20females%20have%20a%20particular%20proclivity%20for,aggression%20is%20an%20effective%20intrasexual%20competition%20strategy.
Abstract
Indirect aggression includes behaviours such as criticizing a competitor’s appearance, spreading rumours about a person’s sexual behaviour and social exclusion. Human females have a particular proclivity for using indirect aggression, which is typically directed at other females, especially attractive and sexually available females, in the context of intrasexual competition for mates. Indirect aggression is an effective intrasexual competition strategy. It is associated with a diminished willingness to compete on the part of victims and with greater dating and sexual behaviour among those who perpetrate the aggression.
Depression, promiscuity and intrasexual competitiveness: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/349958527_Mate_value_intrasexual_competition_and_sociosexual_desire_drive_Brazilian_women%27s_well-being
Multiple regression models indicated that higher well-being was positively predicted by mate value and negatively by intrasexual competition and sociosexual desire, while the opposite was true for depression. Although intrasexual competition and unrestricted sociosexuality can, under some circumstances, increase individual reproductive success, they are risky and suboptimally effective strategies, thus leading to feelings of ill-being. Contrarily, affective long-term bonds, higher mate-value, and lower intrasexual competition might increase feelings of well-being, because this would lead to a safer route towards ancestral reproductive advantages.
Intrasexual competition, victim blaming and rape myth acceptance: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/sjop.12870
AbstractPrevious research indicates that women frequently use red clothing to signal their sexual receptivity, with men and women both recognizing this as a reliable cue to such receptivity. Nonetheless, receptivity cues can inform perceptions of women’s culpability for experiencing sexual assault. Thus, women experiencing sexual assault could become more of a target for victim-blaming if assaulted while wearing red. Such victim-blaming could be especially apparent especially among those who believe the world is just. The current study presented a sexual assault vignette to American undergraduates (155 women, 66 men) describing a woman wearing either red or green whom participants evaluated for the degree of culpability she has for the assault. Results indicated that the red-wearing target was viewed as more culpable for the assault, particularly for women with heightened just-world beliefs. We frame results from an evolutionary framework considering victim-blaming as part of women’s intrasexual competition.
Personally I think this kind of cruel cattiness is a form of sexual harassment and abuse against other women– allegorical rape. Also, as research on male sexual offenders has shown, a naturally higher sex drive isn’t the real driver of sexual aggression and hypercompetitiveness. Like everything else, it boils down to personality disorders and dark triad stuff. So here’s one more on dark triad and indirect aggression in intrasexual competition:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886914005960
AbstractThe Dark Triad (DT) of sub-clinical narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy has been found to be related to competitive attitudes and behaviors, chiefly in men. Using a women-only sample (n = 439), we examined the relationship of DT with general and sexual competitiveness. Factor analysis indicated that the distinction between inter- and intra-sexual competition in women may be less clear than previously conceptualized. We found significant positive correlations between DT and both general and sexual competitiveness. Regression analyses indicated that DT, and in particular, narcissism, are significant predictors of general and sexual competitiveness. These findings are discussed in relation to evolutionary theory, and directions for future work on sexual competition and DT are suggested.
She should ask for it back. Put the onus on her mother.
SL,
I made absolutely certain that my daughter got it back and I made my displeasure absolutely clear to Ex-Mrs LFTT.
LFTT
She stole her baby’s blanket. I don’t know why this saddens and surprises me, but it does.
Yeah, that’s a whole new level for me. What kind of mother steals her child’s blanket?
My mom was so selfish (cluster B alcoholic)…Dad was (again) unemployed when I (the only daughter in the family) was pregnant with my daughter (who turned out to be their ONLY granddaughter).
Dad was a narc and quit his jobs when he realized his coworkers didnt think he was the smartest person they ever met.
With money being short, I wanted them to feel included, so I asked my mom for an old piece of furniture as her “baby gift” for the nursery. Mom said that piece of furniture was her “pride and joy” and no, I couldn’t have it. (Aren’t the kids supposed to be “pride and joy?”). I did not argue, but later found a junky old dresser not worth $10 at a yard sale and asked if I could use it for the baby. “No”. OK, fine…I found a cache of old family girlish toys including one of my baby dolls from childhood… I opted not to ask for any of it.
I pretended to be looking away but saw mom out of the corner of my eye stashing my doll somewhere she didnt think I would find it. By then I had given up on having any heirlooms for daughter…I was NOT going to argue with this nut who didnt want baby girl things to go to the only baby girl our family had since me.
After my daughter was long grown up, I did get and keep the heirlooms in case she has a girl. Im hopeful but not pushy.
I cannot scrub from my mind the bizarre look on my mom’s face when she was hiding that doll and determined that me and my baby girl would NOT have them.
Soon after daughter was born (and never, ever left in mom’s care) mom used all that stuff to set up what looked like a victorian nursery crib and all. My baby girl never spent a moment in that creepy place.
Daughter is such a good person. I was tempted to have something surreptitiously snarky engraved on mom’s grave stone and daughter encouraged me to be a better person and not do it and I followed her suggestion and instead put something nice on it.
Oh my gosh, I can relate to this so much. I’m sorry you had a mom like that too. I can see the look on her face in my mind because I’ve seen it on my own mother who is also some flavor of Cluster B and an alcoholic.
I had similar issues with baby items and heirlooms. My mom had a nice wooden high chair for me that she stored away until my sister was born 8 years later and then after my sister it went into the barn. When my son was one I actually lived with my paternal grandparents three doors down from her while my husband was overseas. She pulled out that high chair from the barn and cleaned it up BUT would not let me use it at my grandparents’ home. It was only for use at her home. I thought that was so weird. When we moved away, she put it back into the barn, would not let me have it. But I figured it was hers so no big deal. Years later, my sister posts an old baby picture that has the high chair in it. One of my aunts comments, “I remember that high chair! All the babies in the family used it! I wonder what ever happened to it.”
It was not hers. It was a family high chair that she did not purchase, it was not purchased for her. It was passed through the entire family until she got her hands on it, then she hid it for eight years between her two children. There were lots of other kids born in the family in that 8 years, we have a large family, and it is still rotting in her barn. She wouldn’t even give it up for her only grandchild. It blew my mind.
She also kept the rocking horse my grandfather made me as a child with my name on it, and my dollhouse he made me. She did once get mad at me and destroyed the little kid rocking chair he made me and tossed the pieces in a box and sent it to me. I opened the box and burst into tears when I realized what it was. Jokes on her though, I’m handy and I repaired it. But it was many years too late for my son to use by the time she did that. But it is displayed in my house and maybe someday my son will have a child I can pass it on to.
So, I’m not surprised by your mom’s behavior. It’s so eerie how similar they are. I am very sorry you had to deal with it though because I know it’s painful. I would be tempted to put something snarky on my mom’s headstone as well. I’ve decided to completely remove myself from that scenario when it happens so I won’t do it. LOL Because it’s tempting, it really is.
UNM, your posts are breaking my heart.
My mother was similar in the making-fun-of-I’m-only-joking BS and bizarre hoarding/cheap behavior. When I explain my pattern of choosing Cheater #1 and Cheater #2, I just say I was groomed from an early age to accept a LaRgE amount of passive-aggressive crap.
I’m glad your daughter is a good person and has a big enough heart to not be snarky after her (not-so) grandmother died.
This sounds like a horror movie. I’m sorry she did everything she could to steal your joy, but you clearly were a great mom and completely made up for it. 💕
And it was the PATERNAL grandmother that made it, which makes it slightly worse to me. If the FW’s mom had made it, I could maybe see her insisting that it come to her house (to be put on daughter’s bed though) But it wasn’t even that. She just stole her daughter’s very special gift, AND blamed LFTT. Not to mention, did she not anticpate that the daughter would see it at her house? They are all so audacious and gross.
PL,
Eldest daughter was about 15 when my mother made the quilt and she was 18 or so when Ex-Mrs LFTT left. She (eldest daughter) adores my mother and was mortified when the quilt went missing, and utterly furious when it turned up when/where it did. I’m still not sure that it was the theft of a much-treasured item or the naked lies that her mother told her bothered her the most.
LFTT
When I see our two adult sons showing obvious affection towards their FW mom I have mixed emotions. First I am glad they feel attached and they care for her. But Secondly, I wonder how they would feel if they knew all the lies she told to them and how she manipulated them as children and adults to get her way and make me look bad. I am not going down that road with them, but it still aggravates me.
You’re not really doing them any favors IMHO covering up for their FW mother. She’s going to hurt them again down the road and they won’t see it coming because they don’t know the truth.
I told them their mother had been cheating, after she lied to them about the reasons for our divorce. They were teens then. Now as adults it is up to them.
FW gave the eternity ring (he had bought for me after the birth of our first child) to the howorker. Can’t say I’m yours forever more than that 🤣🤣🤣
What is it with the rings?!
Ugh. Mine knew I love art, so he contacted his high school girlfriend, they fucked in her art studio, and he came home with one of her landscapes for my Christmas gift. Yes—more thoughtful than regifting Aunt Mildred’s screwdriver set, but I would have enjoyed gouging holes in the canvas with a Phillips-head.
That one seems like him givng you the biggest middle finger ever. I’m so sorry you had to put up with his abuse!
Yup. After awhile, nothing surprised me anymore.
🔥👏
Gold lame opera gloves for dress up sexy time. I lost it when I noticed they were used and were hers. Wait, it gets worse: he lied about them being hers; they were his.
What the what? Probably stretched out, I imagine.
Nope. Becase he had little hands along wth lttle everything else.
When my son was younger, he would ask FW and me to help him get gifts to give the other parent (after the divorce). So I’d get a box of baseball cards (that FW actually wanted) and let son give it to his dad for the holidays. And FW had son give me the L’Occitane FREE GIFT WITH PURCHASE. Quite the “regift.” FW had clearly bought something from L’Occitane (which he learned about from me and was a place I liked) for AP and then just gave me the freebee. He’s such an idiot. Also — getting personal body lotions and fragrance from ex idiot was gross and I sent it back to FW. And son never did the gift giving again.
One birthday he gave me a nice set of earrings and a necklace. A number of years later I see from his emails that that he gave VeganBoobJob the ring from the same collection for her birthday a few months after mine. Similarly he bought me a bracelet and necklace from a shop I liked and went to the same shop to buy a pendant necklace for Gizzalight from the same designer. A present from the Canadian NarcB (a sand picture) ended up in my study when FW brought it home from the office. When you have three on the go and constantly casting your line for others, you’ve got to create efficiencies where you can!
“Create efficiencies” Sounds like something from “The Office.” I wonder if he wrote that into his résumé as an example of his skills.
I’m kicking myself for leaving that off the list… efficiency.
“VeganBoobJob”. 😂 Made me laugh!
My fw ex is trying to get back in my good graces for some reason, and decided to express her desire for reconciliation by making a big deal out of giving me a Christmas gift. She had my child hand it to me.
It was a dollar store scented candle, with the price tag still on.
Her remorse is worth exactly $1.25, and I’d be shocked if she actually bought the candle herself.
I wouldn’t give someone a gift like that unless I was deliberately trying to antagonize them.
When my ex H went from buying me elaborate floral flowers to discounted grocery store flowers, I should have realized “my worth” to him. Instead I chalked his cheapness up to being thrifty & saving money. Nope, we’re just worth $1.25 or less to them.
It’s all relative I guess, I would have been thrilled with an occasional GS flower gift. But, I get what you are saying. I just wasn’t worth the effort.
You missed the discounted part aka 1/2 dead flowers. No one deserves that!
Yep, I missed that part.
No, I get it. It’s a gift so obviously insulting that not getting you anything would have been more respectful.
My therapist listed regifting as part of trying to rewrite the story “right.” She said he might pair up with someone who looked a lot like me, with kids around the same age. Thankfully, I remain blissfully ignorant. Having older kids (now grown) and having him live in another state has its blessings, for sure.
As someone who has remained single, that just seems so strange. I very much wanted an entirely different chapter after my divorce. The handful of men I’ve dated have looked nothing like my ex. Even my house looks drastically different from the family home I had with my ex.
My ex husband was doing…SOMEthing to this day I can’t fathom. He had to do everything we did with his new wife exactly on the day we did it.
I don’t know what their real anniversary is, but they celebrated on the same day ours was. Chose their wedding day (“wedding” at the courthouse with two friends and no family wearing ring pops. …I’m dead serious) not on exactly the same day but same number date as ours (different month same day. So instead of July 26 it was October 26.)
According to friends, he also made it a point to go on all the same dates to the same places as we did with the new wife.
It was so fucking weird.
But from what I hear, he’s apparently repeating the same divorce now too…
I know it’s untangling the skein, but I wonder if it’s some sort of OCD or other behavioral issue pertaining to control. Just overwrite what didn’t work for them and keep repeating until it does.
“But from what I hear, he’s apparently repeating the same divorce now too…”
LOLOLOLOL. File under “Trust that they suck” for the new Chumps that show up and are struggling with that part.
Truly weird. Even down to another divorce.
Yes, my therapist mentioned all that too, even though he was living in another state. She said he might repeat the same kinds of dates and insist on the exact same parameters that he had put on me. He might marry again on the same date.
In the picture I saw of my ex and one of his lady friends, she was dressed way more like his ideal than I ever was, so there was that. I’ve never been a fancy, dress-up woman, but he was always trying to make me that way and gave me expensive jewelry that wasn’t my thing. Apparently, that woman indulges him, or maybe she was already that way. As far as I know, he hasn’t remarried, but I don’t dig at this point. I only saw a picture because of a relative of his. His family thinks I should still be in touch with them on an ongoing basis. Just no.
With my ex, his girlfriend looks enough like me that it is creepy. She looks like she could be my uglier sister or cousin. It’s so weird and creepy. I showed a friend her picture and my friend was like they are lying to you about her age, she is our age. No, I’ve seen her high school pictures, she’s young. It’s so weird because my body was never good enough after having his child but she’s bigger and frumpier and that’s just fine as long as she’s 20 years younger than me. But, he’s probably mean as shit to her. I mean, I was pretty darn attractive when young and he was mean to me, backhanded compliments, mean “suggestions”, insults phrased as “I just don’t want you to embarrass yourself.” She was actually cute in high school, it’s probably being with him that has aged her 20 years so quickly. I’d feel sorry for her but she supports pedophilia and is staying with a known pedophile so she deserves whatever she gets.
Yes, very much a thing.
The last guy who was pitching me to be his girlfriend is tall and skinny with white hair. I found that part actually attractive, but no for a host of other reasons. My ex was more around my height, dark hair, and generally on the heavy side. I doubt that I’ll ever pair up seriously, but who knows.
“She said he might pair up with someone who looked a lot like me, with kids around the same age. ”
Intresting. After the AP, he ended up with a woman that wasn’t an affair (met her during separation) She looked so much like me that anyone that saw her commented on it. She was a decade younger but just had something about her that was so similar. To the point where an old coworker of his saw her posted on social media and asked a mutuial friend if I had had plastic surgery or something. They could tell that it wasn’t the same person they used to see on his social media, but it was close enough that they thought maybe I jsut had a little tweak.
Yes, with my ex’s constellation of issues, she said it was likely. Not protocol, but she had seen us both separately over the years and formally diagnosed him with BPD/NPD before he took off. She said the rigidity and desire for control might lead to something like that. Find a similar woman and rewrite the story…
The one woman I’ve seen a picture of is a bleached blonde, though. She reportedly has kids older than mine. I don’t know if they’re still together, and I really don’t care at this point. All I want is for him to leave me alone.
Was just wondering the same thing about the control issue. I don’t doubt it. Warp reality to their account of it. Replace those NPCs in their lives as if nothing happened.
Yes, it makes them feel like they did nothing wrong. They are hitting “replay” and crafting the story their way.
I have a retired therapist friend locally who worked at the state mental hospital for over a decade and then became a local pastor. We talk all the time about mental health issues and faith.
Anyway, we’ve talked a lot about delusional thinking and different ways that people try to reinvent themselves because, of course, that’s exactly what my ex was all about. All would be well if he could somehow become the person he thought he was. He ran off and tried to destroy me when I didn’t play along. He acted like our college kids barely existed because they were getting in the way.
It was really hard to figure out at the time, but the best thing was getting the divorce and closeout done, which took quite a while. Our college kids have joined me in no-contact during the divorce and have remained so.
And now my ex gets to live in the narrative of his choosing. My therapist friend says that given what I’ve told him, my ex probably won’t contact us again because we represent a story that my ex prefers to squash. We can hope!
Mine has no official diagnosis that I am aware of..but certainly has lots of traits of bpd/npd so this all tracks.
I had an ex boyfriend regift me a dirty used perfume diffuser. He presented it to me at my birthday party in front of everyone. One of my GFs even said out-loud “WTF?!” The others gasped or looked uncomfortable for me.Then his side dish showed up crying and screaming and the diffuser got thrown and broke. End of that romance. His gift clearly meant how little he cared. Used, dirty, disposable. That’s how he thought of us. The side dish became a friend after when she reached out to apologize to me. Not the narcissist though.
When I was still unaware of what was going on, I’d invited the rat faced whore to stay with us for Christmas. We had a tradition of giving each other a table gift at dinner. Lo and behold, fuckwit gave us both an *identical* pair of fuzzy socks. Does that count? And after D day, fuckwit came to the house, and whilst I was in the shower, stole a silver ring with Celtic true love knots he’d bought me, presumably to give to Willard. I told my solicitor, who sent his solicitor a stern letter. Fuckwit utterly denied taking it, but the ring arrived in an envelope a couple of days later. I sold it, and put the money into my divorce fund.
Willard!! Ha!
Yeah, that’s a good one!
Packing in a hurry and getting an Emergency protection order..I left my house, most of the furniture, all my wedding things, towels, dishes, all remained behind as I had no room in my 600 Sq ft apartment. So schmoopie from another State and country, walks right in to my bedroom, kitchen, living room as if I had been taken by aliens. I consider that a huge regift.
Not a regift, but imagine my disgust at learning he bought us both the same expensive adult toy. The toy was random. Not something I wanted nor asked for and it did seem a bit out of left field when I received it. I later discovered he’d sent her the same one. I can only imgine what that was all about.
I initially read the title of this column as “Did Your Cheater Regrift.” And I thought, yes, yes she did: She grifted once, and then she grifted again and again, romantically, financially, etc. So, she regrifted.
But the reGIFTing instance that stands out for me is the time she brought home a framed hand-drawn cartoon self-portrait by her Austin hipster boss. It wasn’t my style, but we were fairly young and couldn’t afford much original art, plus my then-wife made it clear she was a big fan of this guy, so I hung it in the dining room of our home. Only many years later did I discover that my then-wife and this dude had an affair lasting more than 10 years, and he must’ve given her the framed self-portrait as a romantic souvenir. I’d guess my now-ex was thrilled at the idea that his picture hung on the wall of our home, and was hi by there by ME. And all the while, the only person in the house who knew the true story was HER. It’s not just that serial cheaters lack empathy (true enough), but many also experience considerable pleasure in the devaluation of those who love them.
Just as I think women in general put more thought into gifts, so apparently do disordered women into re-gifting. This one made me cry for some reason. Just the image of two young people, all hopeful for the future, proud of their original artwork purchase, but one of them malevolent and vicious, making her innocent partner and then children dine in a room with a FW pic. Sadism and family dinners are uneasy companions.
Ew. My fw ex did stuff like that, would leave gifts from the other woman laying around in plain sight (bathroom sink, my side of the bed) where I’d be forced to interact with them not knowing what they were.
She once told me about an ex who did this, and I now doubt that it was really the ex.
Reminds me of ex’s transference of disgust at a friend visiting strip clubs all while he was paying women to fuck him. It’s still a good story and all the reprehension goes with it if you tack it onto someone else!
“I’d guess my now-ex was thrilled at the idea that his picture hung on the wall of our home, and was hi by there by ME. And all the while, the only person in the house who knew the true story was HER. ”
THIS is an excellent of example of why I don’t believe any of the “oh I found my true soul mate and couldn’t HELP but cheat because this was meant to be” bs. Or the “oh I made a (singular “a”) mistake” bs. There are too many stories like yours. I have countless examples of these scenarios from my FW as well.
It is just pure evil. There is just no way you can convince me that she didn’t do that with the absolute worst intent.
Do I think that some cheaters cheat out of more mundane selfishness and stupidity? Sure. But there are so many stories like yours here, and those particular cheaters are diabolical. His frigging self-portrait hanging in your dining room??? Bringing it into your house and storing it in the basement would be bad enough, but the utter nerve and dedication it takes to let you hang it on the dining room wall? That is just so devious and terrible beyond just the cheating.
Nomar,
She was hiding that sh*t in plain sight. That takes some nerve!
LFTT
Before I caught on to his online “affair” with a catfisher, tween saw him dump out my jewelry box, rummage through it, and take some necklaces. Although he never met the scammer, he complimented her necklaces, which were intended to draw attention to her inflated assets, and no doubt intended to give my necklaces to her.
The rare times ex gave me gifts of value, they were actually intended as gifts for himself, primarily specialized home gym equipment I didn’t want, couldn’t use and couldn’t return (final sale, he lost the receipt, etc.). We separated during COVID, and I easily sold them for full price, because gyms were closed and people wanted home equipment. Ex was furious when he came (per court order) to do a home inventory and they were gone. He’d already put all those “gifts” to me on his list of HIS personal property. He also claimed a valuable item that a relative gave to me was his personal property. Despite his emails to me talking about “your antique X,” he still fought me over it, and the attorney’s fees cost more that the item’s value.
It was not until recently that I learned it’s typical of narcissists to do so. FW bought quite a collection of electronics he wanted over the years often under the guise of gifting them to me. These NPD turds are really all the same shit
Oh, I have a good one. This was one Christmas during the worst of my illness when it was affecting me neurologically, so I was diagnosed with schizophrenia and struggling mentally. I would forget things a lot, I had to keep notes and set multiple alarms on my phone to remind me of things. I was functioning but it was very difficult and I was pretty easy to confuse.
Anyways, it’s Christmas morning and we’re opening up gifts. I open one and it’s a cameo necklace. And it was blue, I didn’t even know they came in blue. It was very pretty. I oohed and thanked him and he started to get upset. He was like “that’s it?” I was confused. I told him I liked it, it was beautiful. He says, “Do you know how hard that was to find?” By this point I’m completely confused and wondering if my brain is malfunctioning and I’m doing something wrong. He says, “I had to go to multiple jewelry stores until I could find one that would help me special order that so you could have your precious blue cameo necklace like the one you had as a child.”
What? I didn’t even know they came in blue… He’s like seriously?! He tells me how I told him so much about the blue cameo necklace I had that I loved so much and that he went out of his way to find. I have zero memory of this. Zero memory of ever having one. Zero memory of any of these conversations. Just nothing. I had a cameo necklace as a kid, it was the normal pink and nothing special. I apologized to him for not remembering… That makes me angry now.
So, anyways, a couple years later when everything imploded and I found out he had a whole secret life I realized that he either got me confused with some other woman who told him about a blue cameo necklace or, (and more likely) he bought it for someone else and couldn’t return it because it was special order. So he gave it to me and instead of just giving it as a nice gift, he decided to f*ck with my head over it just for fun. I still have it but I never wear it. I wonder who it was actually for.
I’d put it on eBay!
I should. Someone else would probably enjoy it.
My cheater regifted all my beautiful clothes to his affair partner. And she would post pictures of herself on Facebook in my clothes. And they stole my jewelry. And sold it so they could go on vacations together.
FW not only let AP shop my clothes but our teenage daughter’s clothes as well. He went so far as to go through our donation bin and picked out clothes for her. Imagine watching your AP spend the day in your daughter’s old sweater and then getting your sick jollies out that night?!?
So creepy it’s as if she’s itching to wear your skin as a human suit and impersonate you like that alien creature in Men in Black movie
Dear God! What kind of sick bitch OW get’s off on wearing the *wife’s* clothes??!!
The kind who gets what she deserves, when the bastard inevitably turns on her.
I have a bad feeling that she’s not the only one who’s done this.
Was wonderig the same thing, she MUST know who they belonged to as I imagine they weren’t all new with tags. What an absolute nightmare. That’s the thing about CN, just when we think we have heard it all, something new pops up. They are all the same, yet, find ways to show their ickiness in new ways every day.
Oh she knew they were all my clothes. I was pregnant at the time when I found out. I packed up my whole house, and had arranged for movers to come the next morning and put it in storage facility. I left then and made the mistake of not waiting until movers actually came. Ex and his affair partner blocked the movers from coming, and stole all my stuff instead that I had arranged for movers to transport. Ex would not pick up my phone calls. When my friend called him to ask wtf all my stuff was, affair partner was on speaker and said she gave them to her “crackhead mom to hand out to all her friends.” Affair partner helped herself to all my stuff though, as I saw in her pics on Facebook she would post in my clothes. It was like they tried to just bury me alive. Meanwhile I was 7 months pregnant at the time and absolutely shocked and devastated.
Evil!
Not a regifting story but my exFW did have his attorney send a list of gifts that he gave me over the course of 27 years that FW wanted back!!!! He listed things like a cash gift he gave me in 1998 and so on!!!!! Needless to say he did not get anything back, however, his attorney got the list of gifts and the value that FW kept for what he gave Schmoopie. I actually got that back in the settlement because it was considered dissipation of assets! He was a unhappy FW when he saw that. (He did me the favor of saving it to the shared drive because he was not tech savvy)
I gave Traitor Ex my wedding ring and engagement ring at our first mediation session.
He cried. WTHeck?
We picked out the diamond together from a friend of mine who is a diamond broker. I designed the ring….a big hunk of platinum, having chosen that metal for its durability and density. Because I’m a sentimental sap.
After DDay it became a chonk of worthless metal and a worthless rock. I didn’t want anything to do with it. Because I’m a sentimental sap.
He told our daughter he had decided to get married again. I don’t know if it’s true or part of a manipulative propaganda campaign, but
I would not be surprised to find out that he had given it to the primary cheating accomplice. I say “primary” because I know he is still plying his trade as cheater, and because they opened their very own illicit Asian massage parlor, monogamy is likely not like something they value or practice.
Love isn’t just a feeling. It’s something you do. Cheaters and side pieces prove by engaging in illicit relationships that they don’t understand the concept of love.
Regifting in the way that they do is just a natural and reasonable extension of their ineptitude and lack of understanding when it comes to love, the action and behavior.
Oh my gosh, that’s horrifying! Asian massage parlors are usually trafficked women, if they’re even old enough to be considered women. What monsters.
Not quite the same as gifts but took affair partner to places we had been to and, in the 18 months when he was seeing her secretly, took me to restaurants that I later discovered he had first visited with her. We had a camping holiday planned before I found out and during discovery I discovered he was going to meet her after our holiday (this was him going on a yoga retreat on his own) and use same tent!
When we got engaged, his mother gave us her engagement ring. The setting was too small so we had it put into a new setting.
When he cheated and left for the co-worker whore,,, he asked for the diamond back. He said he wanted to give it to his son.
I had it taken out of the setting and gave it to him. I didn’t want it anyway.
He didn’t give it to his son. He had it put in a new setting and proposed to his cheating partner with it.
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I’ve told the story about the hideous gray throw blanket I was given as a belated Christmas gift during the time the kids and I were staying part of the year in the sweltering Southern hemisphere (for kids’ medical reasons) while FW commuted back and forth from the freezing Northern hemisphere.
Even if you google “chunky knit throw blanket” on Chinese import sites, words can not describe how frightening this thing was. It weighed nearly10 pounds and looked like it had been knit from drier lint, asbestos fibers and roofing insulation. The texture was like sticky fiber glass and it smelled like it could cause birth defects in the unborn. After opening it, I immediately sealed it back up, scrubbed my hands and told FW I didn’t want it in the house for health reasons and that he should exchange it or toss it in the hazmat part of the dump.
I wasn’t angry about it but just asked what compelled him to get me something like this in one of the worst global warming summers south of the equator? And why gray when it matched absolutely nothing in the house? He just seemed boggled. Then after D-day when my lawyer and I found the AP’s social media posts proudly displaying her interior redesign, it all made sense.
The blanket had obviously been originally intended for the AP. Her dank gray on gray on gray basement condo looked like Newark Airport circa 1982 or Andrew Tate’s modular Roblox Romanian rape lair and the ugly throw would have fit right in and been appropriate for subzero temperatures in the north.
From the Insta photos, you could see what looked like visible cum stains on her synthetic gray Ikea sectional and I guessed the blanket had been intended as a sperm pad for raw-dog couch-fucking, But, alas, it didn’t arrive in time for schmoopie Christmas. Plus the AP had apparently staged one of her several temporary “breakups” before Christmas to punish FW for choosing to be with his wife and children for the holidays instead of her.
So that’s how I ended up with the radioactive cum catcher regift.
It’s actually kind of “funny” how obvious this stuff becomes in hindsight. At first you get this blanket and you are just caught off guard by the utter weirdness of it. It isn’t even a NICE blanket, even if it was lovely, you lived in a place with 90 degree temps.
Then you see her design style and it all makes perfect sense.
The AP is no longer an AP. But obviously she still exists in the world and she has a blog. I found it. A bit of pain shopping? Maybe. But also raw and untenable curiousity. I truly knew so little of her.
She spoke of gardening and plants. “Oh! so that is why he suddenly became so hell bent on growing all the herbs and veg one year” It was literally one year, he had never done this before in decades of us being together, and once the affiar was done, so was his interest in growing a green thumb.
Yes and yes. Odd purchases suddenly made sense after D day but there’s been cheating for so long most of the long marriage (mirage) it’s probably a lot more than I realize.
Yikes, the heat index where we were was as high as 43C at the time– almost 110F– and it never gets that cold in winter.
I could hide behind legal excuses to snoop around social media after D-day because my lawyer wanted to see if the AP might have committed any libel or threats, if she or her redneck family were dangerous or if anything in the AP’s dumpy condo had been stolen from me or purchased with family assets. According to my lawyer, FWs’ tendency (like the cheating eagle) to steal things from their families and give them to schmoopies is very common. That’s basically what dissipation of assets is anyway.
But I probably would have snooped even without the excuse to do it. In any case I don’t regret it if just because laughter and schadenfreude are like a tourniquet when you’ve just had an arm chopped off. I think both are underrated in term of therapeutic value in emergencies.
If someone wants to call that “pain-shopping,” there really wasn’t any pain in it. For one, the sleuthing quickly demystified the affair and affair partner to the point that it completely killed any traumatized chumpy tendency I might have had to wonder if I wasn’t “enough.” Maybe just not “tacky barfly in poor physical health with a taste for misogynistic torture porn” enough?
Granted the lack of pain from the sleuthing spree was partly because, like in your case, FW didn’t end up with the AP. That’s a big factor because I wasn’t having to witness the typical curated social media “twu wuv” displays that adulterers typically put on to pour salt in the wound, make themselves central and to justify craven behavior. I don’t blame any chump for finding that ugly and painful. It’s meant to be and makes it pointless to “shop” because shock and pain can distort reality and perceptions.
But I also think “pain shopping” comes from a different mindset than just trying to piece together wtf just happened to our lives and why tf FWs did and said all those really weird things, etc. For instance, you solved the mystery of the transient gardening bug and learned what a mirroring, sociopathic, empty cipher your ex was since, having none of his own, he had to shop for actual personality traits from others (which he’d probably done to you at first). And I learned that every bizarre, twisted and unrecognizable false allegation FW made towards me in the DARVO stage before D-Day were all displaced from the AP’s specific faults and specific shitty behavior (like, er, the accusation that I was secretly trying to get pregnant to “trap” him… after three kids and begging him for years to get a vasectomy??).
It might have restored a bit of continuity to our life stories to find these things out. Along those lines, there was a NY Times piece that a lot of commenters here refer to about “stolen narratives” in various types of interpersonal betrayals and how painful it is not to understand the events that blew our lives to pieces. It suggests that trying to rectify this isn’t necessarily unhealthy.
Naturally there’s a point where data mining can become overkill and has diminishing returns. I stopped checking once I knew the creature had effed off and moved out of state so I could stop bracing for accidental bunny boiler encounters while in the US with the kids.
The pain shopping for me was not particularly painful either. Because as you experienced, they didn’t last once he was moving out. So no “twu wuv” rollout. Her blog is more recent, and doesn’t touch on things all that personal, but there are glimpses, like the love of gardening. She also has made references to cheating and lying, as if she is so against such things. Which on the one hand, enraged me, but on the other had me chuckling. To write a long rambling blog post from the stance that you are morally superior, when in fact, you did the very things you are admonishing. Get this..she is so glad that her current guy doesn’t spend any time on social media. That is where she met my ex husband, so sure, I can see why she might be wary! So yes, a lot of it has me laughig. But I have decided it is probably best to stop looking, not because it is painful, but because it no longer serves me.
Though, if her blog had a comment option, I would be holding on for dear life to the “if it feels good, don’t do it” mantra.
And yes, one very valuable lesson was that he is empty. Devoid of an actual persona. He mirrors. I don’t know that he ever mirrored me, isn’t that strange? I wonder if I am just too close to the subject matter to see it? But I can’t think of any obvious things at all.
But he mirrored his ex before me, he mirrored his AP and he mirrored his gf after that. We are very low contact so luckily I didn’t hear all that much re: the more recent gf. But my eldest was forced to go shopping with him for clothes once and the stuff he was looking at was INSANE in how vastly different it was from what he wore for decades, even before me. Ya know that scene in The Breakfast Club where Ally Sheedy gets a makeover? The style change was as drastic as that. And all I could do was laugh at what my kid was reporting back. I didn’t bellieve them at first. He was also in shops at a much higher price point than he previously would have been looking to spend. I knew that he had met her friends and their partners just before that, and all I can think was this must be how those men were dressed. That is the only explanation.
I wonder if the mirroring tendency of FWs goes up when they’re intimidated by whoever they’re chasing or in a relationship with and goes down when they’re less afraid and more assured.
For instance, I think FW mostly mirrors people who are a bit dodgy and coercive because of the “bigger shark” intimidation factor. From the time he was in college, he seemed to switch back and forth between getting burned by chicks who were even bigger dark triad-manipulative-cheater types than he is (doppelgangers of his mother in other words) to seeking solace in normal, agreeable, uncoercive women (chumps in other words).
The fact the AP was a dead ringer for his stabby toxic mommy makes it no surprise he mirrored the bejesus out of her for a while (including the way he dressed. OMG the awful manscaping, stretch skinny jeans and Trump apologism).
The fact that he didn’t mirror me that much beyond feigning value in common kind of tells you which type I am (yeah… chump).
Whoa…so ick! No other words.
Oh it’s very funny in retrospect. It actually gets funnier over time because, presumably as part of a frantic pickme dance, the AP put herself into serious credit debt designing her entire condo around what she perceived were FW’s tastes.
I could have warned her that was a really bad idea since he has no taste. I could have warned her that, though she heavily campaigned and plied to get FW to finance her big love-nest remodel, he’s very good at wriggling out of paying for things and now her salary doesn’t afford replacing all that cheap, dank, 80s bachelor pad crap.
From having raised kids, I also could have warned her not to let protein stains set and, furthermore, not to eat what FW eats nor drink what he drinks or she’d end up a tubby alcoholic with permanently stained upholstery. But I guess that’s the built-in karma of being an AP who, in their frenzied zeal to be more pleaserish, coddling, “fun” and accommodating than those cold, mean, evil, unobliging, uptight spouses, APs can end up stuck with the unfortunate results.
re-gifts. more like the X bought gifts that were meant his image or to use himself.
but the one that sticks in my memory is a high end, race car toy set and a couple high end, motorized, military tank reproductions that he bought for my son when he was about 12 y.o.? getting too old for that sort of thing. son barely used them and we packed them away for when he has kids. well, when X moved out, X took those toys with him because he essentially bought them for himself.
apparently, he set the track up in his family room?
i asked my grown son if he wanted them back, and he said, “it’s not like he bought them for me in the first place.”
bingo.
i re-gifted the diamond from my engagement ring and had it reset into a big-ass divorce ring, that i wear on any finger i feel like wearing it on. it’s a reminder that i will always be true to myself.
Not really regifting, but, unbeknownst to me, he not only let her use my bathroom stuff (shampoo, razor etc) and “sleep/have sex” in my bed, but he also let her use my fly fishing gear (including waders and boots) and sleep in my sleeping bag. And that’s only what I know about.
CL is correct when she points out that they view us as interchangeable. Combine that mindset with a streak of laziness and cheapness—“Hey, I was saving money!”—and letting the affair partner use my things must have made perfect sense to him.
Plus, I bet he enjoyed a little frisson of excitement and twisted sense of power from all this “sharing.”
Your RAZOR? Super yuck!
It was my birthday – midway through the one year affair I knew nothing about at the time. He gave me a necklace and bracelet that were so NOT ME. And this man was a champion jewelry giver – started with Yurman and moved up to Van Cleef. But this birthday gift was weird – silver (which I rarely wear) with light blue sapphires with crescent moon motif. Sort of “hippy”. Definitely not something I would wear. I thanked him and put the pieces away. After D-Day, when I saw numerous pictures of the grifting whore, I knew that the gifts had been purchased for her – she wears all silver, turquoise, sort of goth looking jewelry. I knew that she had refused many gifts because of her long term goal toward the big payoff. (Husband complained to whore about all the money he spent on me – including, according to her, the extravagant birthday parties he would host for me.) She was good at grifting – took all of his “complaints” and turned herself into someone who didn’t want “things” – unlike his greedy wife. (Although she was not averse to cash, first class and private flights, luxury resorts, etc.) Anyway, as soon as I saw her jewelry I confronted him. He denied buying it for her. Said it reminded him of the beach that I love. Ha! I found the receipt and it was purchased long before my birthday, when he was about one month into the sexual part of the affair – right when his endorphins were high! I gave the never-worn jewelry to my daughter and she sold it. (Also during his affair a Tiffany “Diamonds by the Yard” necklace disappeared from my jewelry box. He insisted I lost it but I wonder if he re-gifted to her?)
My FW always went to great detail to tell me what he wanted for his gift. It usually cost $200-$400 when I was budgeting our whole family holiday and gifts at about $500.
So when the day came, he would clearly be so mistreated when his gift was some sort of connected or equivalent idea but at the $40 price limit i have to work with. He would set it aside, half opened, be gloomy all day and then promptly return it to purchase the original item he so clearly described to me and I was just too dense and uncaring to listen.
That’s with two young children excited to have anything under the tree. And of course, no gifts for me except from my mom and sister. Fun times! So glad schmoopie gets to deal with his pouty ass now.
The best gift you have given yourself is a FW free life. Same for me, even if I couldn’t see it at first. Priceless!
I bet he thought neither of us would find out, but he gifted a subsequent girlfriend (not an OW, but someone I touched base with after a very suspicious move-in with yet another woman who would become the second ex-wife) the same perfume I had. It was something I found years ago and liked so he bought a bottle of it for me. Even weirder, she made a comment about how either he would ask or encourage her to wear for “sexy time”. Joint {vomit emoji} when that was revealed…
Oh wow, that’s really gross. What a disordered pos that guy is.
Our house was “broken into.” My jewelry box was emptied except for two earrings that got stuck in the seams of the lining. One was a tiny sapphire solitaire earring, the other was a ruby. Sapphires are my birthstone, but I LOVE rubies. So I wore those earrings as a pair. (And I still do sometimes.) Imagine my surprise when it happened that the ex-girlfriend from high school has a pair of earrings EXACTLY like my mismatched pair.
The 3 carat diamond studs my parents gave me after the birth of my first child mysteriously “disappeared” during the affair. After D-day, FW failed two polygraphs that he insisted on taking and which were conducted by a former fed. The only questions he failed on was whether he’d ever brought the AP to the house while the kids and I were out of town.
Go figure, right?
Ex wanted to take my jewelry box (which he gave to me shortly before DDay) in the divorce so he could give it to his mistress. He actually told me this! 🙄But he didn’t want to count it in the division of assets since it was “barely” mine since he gave it to me shortly before everything was revealed.
It’s a nice jewelry box but it’s not like I’m attached to it – but I was in a place of fight and anger so I stuck by it counting in the division of assets and with that he gave up asking for it.
Not really worth fighting about – but I have a lot of empathy for my past self and where I was at. ❤️
Ex would have taken mine, too, I’m sure — if he knew I still had it. (We had recently sold our house and most of what we owned and moved aboard a sailboat.) Last month, I gifted that jewelry box and his mother’s pearls to his daughter, my beautiful step-daughter. I’m glad I could give her something of her grandmother’s since he never would have.
My FW loves to sow a bit of chaos.
If I wanted something, FW would tell OW he wanted it and then when she bought it, he would gift it to me. It had the added benefit of allowing FW to steal my good taste and personality.
And she thinks he’s a prize!
Cheater told me over the phone once, when I was on a lunch break from my deeply abusive job at the time, about how she was planning to gift to me and the longest term affair partner the very same kind and color of unique rose. And she couldn’t possibly understand how and why this upset me so much. They were “just friends” afterall and I needed to stop being so controlling….
My entry isn’t really about regifting, but about shitty gifts. For my last birthday with FW I was bequeathed a blue PVC poncho… and a threaded cotton belt! I guess everything was about US$ 20.00 tops. Funny enough, I was pretty happy. How my soul mate knew me so well? That was exactly what I needed! I used the poncho until it disintegrated into plastic dust and am wearing the belt right now 🤣 She’s got jewelry from me in her last birthday with her chump (our birthdays are just a few days apart). Didn’t bother me at all, she is so much deserving than me, and men are supposed to be low maintenance anyways. After all, we both got what we wanted! We chumps are so nice and unassuming 😔 If I am warranted a little Schadenfreude, my oldest son told me she was incensed when she’s got a cigar lighter from her current partner (not AP) for a recent Valentine’s. There was (actual, literal) wheeping and gnashing of teeth. And a little bit of yelling on the side 🤣 I’m still delightfully flummoxed by this, since she doesn’t smoke (to the best of my knowledge, but who knows?). What did that shit mean? 🤣 Anyways, I really didn’t care about my shitty gifts back then and surely can’t seem to give a rat’s ass now, but it’s definitely a thing with FWs. I guess regifting is one too 🤷♂️😂
“What did that shit mean?” It means her current partner got her mixed up with his other Schmoopie and gave her the wrong gift. Whoopsie and karma!
I remember how appreciative I was for shitty gifts during all the years I assumed we were on a severe budget as FW built his career and we were (supposedly) channeling everything towards that and the kids’ needs.
I honestly didn’t mind. My accepting attitude changed a bit after I found out that FW had secretly made profitable investments he wasn’t sharing with his family while he was blowing umpty thousands on expensive dirty weekends and tacky bistro bar tabs during his affair.
But I’m still proud of my general anti-materialism during those times, even if my happiness at getting cheap beads for Christmas came along with ignorance that I was being emotionally, spiritually, financially f*cked over. At the time, I thought it was an easy sacrifice to invest in our children’s futures for the sake of love.
I might even call that my proudest moment because I’ve always striven for having character (even when I end up getting exploited because of this trait).
Clearly you’re a kindred spirit by the fact you’re still wearing that cheapo belt. 😉
This brings up childhood memories again. Even if my parents were wealthy, they didn’t want to spend any more money on me than absolutely necessary. This meant that I had far fewer toys than most of my wealthy schoolmates and frequently played with waste, including a lot of bottle caps and bottle corks from all the alcohol my parents drank. Furthermore, I learned to show a lot of gratitude for and excitement about all these scraps, because it seemed to me that this was the behavior my parents expected. However, this only worked because I convinced myself that all of it was true.
At school, this made me even more of a “weirdo” and provided additional “fodder” for my bullies. I was the weird kid in old, ugly, outdated clothes who was all excited about playing with garbage (despite having wealthy parents, which everybody knew!) while getting straight “A”s at school, while all the “normal” kids wanted nice things (without worrying too much about good grades). This was used to justify a lot of cruel attacks on me.
This was very difficult for me to unpack in adulthood. Was I weird and sick because I “loved” playing with scraps? Was it generally bad for girls to get straight “A”s at school? Or was I just subhuman and thus didn’t deserve any nice things, unlike all the other kids? Was it completely wrong and misguided of me to appreciate the value in simple objects and sometimes come up with very creative ways of using whatever I had?
Nowadays, I would answer all of these questions with a resounding “no”. However, it took me a long time to get there.
This is a really important subject.
I think it’s clear deprivation affects children differently according to whether it’s circumstantial, due to a cohesive principle that the entire family lives by or simply due to neglect or punishment. It can leave trauma and scars all the same though the depths of the injuries may vary and aren’t always fully worth whatever positive traits can arise from outlier mentality.
But I suspect the positive legacy of this might be what drew us both to a forum like this one and to the underdog side of the whole epic battle over whether cheating is abuse.
In any case, you and I have a lot in common regarding being bullied in school, wearing second hand clothes and making my own toys out of scraps and cardboard boxes I scavenged from behind appliance store. Like you, I was very happy with it and vowed that, one day when I had kids of my own, I would encourage them to make their own toys as well. But personally I still feel like it’s a mixed bag of “blessings” and bullshit.
In my case, my parents really weren’t able to afford new toys or clothes since we lived on a starving artist budget. But, being artists, I wonder if they would still have encouraged the DIY projects on principle even if we’d had money. Likely so because my dad was a democratic-socialist painter and illustrator named after an Irish revolutionary who seemed to have some ancestral jaundice towards commercial culture and materialism. He regarded inundating children with material things rather than attention and experiences as a form of abuse that produced lost and empty adult conformists.
My dad wasn’t wrong and certainly walked the walk, only spending money on preowned books and tools for himself, not toys or bar tabs and he was also a consistent egalitarian whether it came to class, gender, race, you name it. But even good intentions can go overboard. In defending my right to be eccentric, creative and a “rugged individualist,” my dad inadvertently threw me to the dogs and I become the main class scapegoat in primary school.
For instance, because my dad worked from a home studio and my mother always took the bus to work very early and came back late, it’s on my dad that he let me go to school at age 8 wearing old Goodwill prom dresses over my snowsuit so I could have my own princess Icecapade on the school rink.
It seems some nasty parent noticed one of these vintage poofy gowns was stained, word got around and the kids invented a nickname for me based on “contamination.”
It didn’t matter that I wasn’t actually dirty or smelly. My clothes were always clean even if old and a bit tatty. I was also an AAU swimmer and ballet student and was probably the most soaked, shampooed and antiseptic kid in school. But gangs of boys would still follow me home screaming this taunt at me and sometimes physically attacking me. Some kids in class also had a fun group ritual of cartoonishly holding their breath and running away from me any time I was seated near them.
My mother was great about providing me with philosophical scaffolding against the bullying, probably because her brother and cousin were influential organizational psychologists who specialized in defending quixotic business strategies and novel organizational structures and aims against the dark forces of same-old and blah.
I think this really helped keep me from internalizing the abuse as much, though how can experiences like that not leave traces? My dad would also go all out to defend me though this didn’t always make things better. It seemed like twice a month he would lumber ruggedly down to the school and read the principal the riot act about the fact the teachers were idle bystanders to the bullying or even victim-blaming. Yet he still didn’t gently discourage me from wandering home carrying industrial sized boxes on my head to make doll villages or going to school on regular school days dressed up as historical characters.
Go figure. I think I was my father’s walking little FU to suburban conformists but it was my “money” that got put where his big mouth was unfortunately. I think the problem was really that, as a recovering Catholic, he’d unconsciously extended concepts of “sin” and “purity” to secular politics and even art. In his mind, turning me into a defender of free thinkers and underdogs was akin to my being “virginal” and favored by God.
It must have been really tough on him when, right around the time I started college, my parents’ principled investments in a family company suddenly made them quite wealthy. He still would never buy new cars and still only tiny economy ones he was too tall for.
Speaking of height, the bullying finally stopped when I shot up four inches and turned into Alt Garage Band Barbie by about tenth grade. Then rumors swirled that I was a “slut” just based on appearance. But I’d since learned that sexual defiance scares the tar out of bullies so I played up the “dangerous heroin chic” image and hung out with other girls who were using the same protective coloring.
In reality we were all complete nerds. Unfortunately, prop cigarettes still lead to nicotine addiction so that was a very bad idea. Still, several of those girls went to medical school, got PsyD’s or PhDs. I’m probably the biggest loser of the bunch since I went into indy media and worked on obscure social justice-y projects, still being my dad’s walking FU. Though even on the low-paying shoestring side of the industry, I still got so heavily “Harvey Weinsteined” for years (lots of attempts though none successful) that I eventually gave up the career I’d striven for and sort of meandered around working for advocacy nonprofits.
Regarding the “scars” of being scapegoated both as the weird poor kid and as a female-with-a-pulse in a rapey industry, there has to be some. Some of the little tics I developed because of this have been positive like fighting the good fight against victim-blaming and all that. But some weren’t entirely great. For instance not consistently earning that much money because… not sure (secular sin/purity??). Or, instead of dating the goofy sweet nerds I’d always crushed on since my tweens, by college I’d started dating men who were a bit tougher in order to have a personal security detail. But, of course, “Who will protect us from our protectors?” as they say.
One remaining “tic” is that, even if I seem to have some psychic resistance to being rich, I eventually learned to give up the alt hippie grunge gear and dress as if I’m stealthily wealthy. This was after discovering that women are really mostly just footballs to sexually aggressive men whose real targets are other men, particularly the perceived rival “owners” of the human “footballs”– boyfriends, husbands, etc. So dressing like my “owner” can afford to keep attack dog lawyers on retainer or have someone fired or bumped off is another form of protective coloring. I’ve also used it as a parent shielding the rights of nerdy kids with several health issues.
The appearance thing is probably a more neutral quirk but a bit compulsive. I literally can’t walk out of the house without being “fashionably” dressed even if it’s all Ebay bargains and I always made sure the kids looked like the artsy version of stealth-wealth. I jokingly call it “battle armor” but that’s what it really is.
The biggest remaining quirk is definitely a mixed bag that probably makes me more susceptible to certain forms of abuse on the one hand but also also makes me a little telepathic in guessing what abusers or bullies will do next which has helped me jujitsu and turn the tables several times. After seeing how indirect social aggression and negative gossip can snowball into genuine violence and Dickensian-lvel social ruin, I will always be hyper-sensitive to threats of social smear campaigns and “triangulation” favored by every stripe of bully from domestic abusers, sexual harassers, coercive employers and nasty neighbors.
Anyway, somewhere inside every former class scapegoat is a kid looking over their shoulders for marauding or triangulating bullies along with the mixed bag of upsides and downsides that comes with it.
Since there’s no statistical common denominator determining who will or won’t become an adult victim of abuse, I don’t think the history of being bullied on the schoolyard has anything to do with it. Nor is it more or less relevant whether past hardship was circumstantial, from overly dogmatic principles or neglect. So we can scrap being abused as one of the “downsides” of former bullied kid status. But, again, one of the upsides is definitely that we’re choosing the rugged, mighty underdog side represented by CL and CN.
Goodness, I feel for your Dad, and especially small you who it’s easy for me to picture as one of my daughters. I was never in very creative work, but I shared your Dad’s hangups in some ways, and my (older, especially) girl sounds a lot like small you. We were lucky – her primary school was great, and she was allowed to be a bit weird, and loved. High school was more difficult, and then in 6th form she pulled off the transformation to self-protective-artsy a bit like you perhaps did.
I like your analysis of the whole thing. I was brought up by someone who was brought up in difficult circumstances, as everyone was in the war and just before it. It rubbed off on us in certain ways. I hoped to keep the good and hold back the not-so-good, but I am sure (as per your analysis) I didn’t entirely manage that. I so wanted them (my kids) to be able to choose to be happy and creative on a small wage, and not to need an all-consuming career to feel successful. I am sure that was a big projection on my part, and I did them some harm as well as good in the process. I am perhaps lucky their Mum is a career woman who spent money on them and maybe knocked the harshest corners off my indoctrination, even though that didn’t feel lucky at the time.
Well, thanks for posting all that, it made me think and remember.
Hah, I feel seen: “self-protective-artsy.” I think it’s lovely that you were able to really follow your children’s experiences with so much attention and understanding. Sometimes that makes all the difference to kids– just knowing someone was paying attention.
I think I probably benefited more than I lost from absorbing my father’s somewhat politicized view that all truly impactful and meaningful artists, writers, journalists, composers, etc., share more DNA with the labor movement and “workers” than they do with elite so-called intelligentsia.
My dad resisted having children until his mid fifties because of his combat experience in WWII, speaking of difficult formative circumstances due to the war.
I pretty much embrace the mixed bag of values and conceptions I was raised with even if some of them went a bit overboard.
That’s gracious, not to mention reassuring – thank you 🙂
Yes, while my parents clearly forced me to wear these weird clothes for all the wrong reasons, I often wondered about children who were encouraged to emphasize their individuality by their parents out of good intentions. At school, kids who stand out too much are clearly vulnerable, and a single pair of parents won’t be able to fix this (not even by trying to intervene themselves, which your father did, apparently). Unfortunately, this probably means that it is sometimes more advantageous for children to be more conformist at school than later in life. I really wish this wasn’t the case.
With regard to clothing styles in adulthood, I’m a former journalist (and not the type you would see on TV!) and I somehow mostly stick with the type of clothes I used to wear back then even if they might be a little bit too rugged for my current job, which is more adjacent to accounting. For various reasons (including a very notable lack of fine motor skills and a tendency to have messy hair), I was never able to pull off the typical “super polished woman working in an office” look. I don’t think I would have felt comfortable in this look, either. Somehow, my slightly (but not overly) rugged style seems to work for me, maybe because I used to get a lot of respect as a journalist and my brain might have internalized that. However, this also confirms how complicated this topic can be – you shouldn’t expect a child to be able to navigate it.
Lol, the messy hair club. My daughter and I have “Shakira” hair. Slightly course 2B hair is great if you’re a millionaire pop star with hairdressers on standby for humidity crises but difficult to look “polished” for the rest of us, especially anyone allergic to most styling products. Cutting it short doesn’t solve the maintenance issue unless Seth Rogan is the style goal.
Many people make assumptions about character based on hair. Unruly hair = unruly character. 😮
Also I agree regarding conformity being sadly “required” in childhood in typical institutional settings.
But it wouldn’t have mattered how nicely dressed he was since one of my son’s formerly serious disability made it impossible for him to “fit in” when he was smaller. School staff in the US were also starting to put a sort of bullying fatwa on all the kids by expressing open exasperation over their multiple food and substance allergies. It was only a matter of time before other kids took the cue that it was open season on my children. And I was beginning to notice staff systematically quashing my daughter’s buoyant precociousness. It reminded me of studies of how gifted girls tend to disappear off the radar by seventh grade as they learn to “basic” themselves and become depressed.
The final straw was when a school aide physically assaulted my disabled son– dragged him weeping out of class in front of other children and stuffed him in a janitor’s closet doubling as a seclusion chamber. It was because he’d grown tired in art class and reportedly leaned on another student.The school justified the assault on “student safety” grounds as if my tiny marshmallow son had committed a sexually violent act.
The mistreatment was clearly part of the school’s unconstitutional (but unfortunately typical) campaign to deny disabled students inclusive education and force parents to place their “defective” children in institutional disability gulags (where restraint and seclusion injuries and deaths are even more common). But I think the incident also stemmed from the “problem” of the kids growing up in a huggy, affectionate home which staff were always leery towards (dirty looks when my kids clung to me or jumped on me for monkey hugs at pickup).
On discovering there was no effective legal recourse against this kind of abuse, I said fuck it, pulled all the kids and “unschooled.” But extracurricular group activities for the “social” element were too expensive in the US if you’re not doing church-based unschooling. I also could barely afford the cutting edge (read: “out of pocket”) medical treatments my son required for a cellular disorder so I ultimately took the kids to a cultural hub in South America that has comprehensive public health for part of every year.
Best decision ever. I enrolled the kids in any activity that tends to draw gifty, gentle nerds like music, animation, art, ceramics, Aikido, t’ai chi, dance, building RC planes, you name it. Being in a Latin culture also solved the huggy issue because even men kiss in greeting, kids walk arm in arm with their parents through their teens and kids typically hang all over each other.
I think the concern in cultures that are physically more standoffish is that friendly affection will lead to sexual boundary breeches but I haven’t seen that to be the case. But early abuse like what the school had subjected my son to can certainly breed abusive adults with boundary issues, not so much hugs. I was damned if a school was going to “violentize” my sons and train my daughter to be a silent victim. After I pulled my kids from the school, the district ended up all over the headlines for harboring a child molester on staff for a decade.
In our adopted city, there also appeared to be much greater tolerance of disability and far less exclusion. My son was never the most challenged kid involved in most activities and, since teachers never gave off discriminatory signals, kids followed this model as well. I started throwing huge birthday bashes for the kids, inviting their entire classes and teachers and all their respective families. Our social network snowballed.
At this point my son has largely defied his original prognosis due to integrative medical protocol and probably the abundance of affordable organic food. But I’m sure it didn’t hurt that neither he nor any of the kids ever experienced bullying again.
I know bullying exists in this country in some of the snobbier, more exclusive schools, probably as a reflection of remaining classist divisions. But the shriveled, embattled fascist remnants of the former dictatorship are easy to spot and avoid and most people laugh at them. I met a taxi driver who joked about how cabbies love to cruise through the millionaire district of the city when its raining just to drive past the bejeweled and cravated folks desperately hailing cabs.
Since I still can’t get myself to step outside without being “fashionably” dressed, I don’t know why I’m not taken for one of the bejeweled ladies who lunch. It must be the unruly hair. 😀
Good on you for tackling these issues to the ground and dragging them out the door! You have the rest of your life to live without them knocking you around.
Yes, the FW regifted me useless crap OW had given him. I also believe he stole a necklace he bought for me and gave it to her. I just wasn’t able to prove it.
I have not been able to wear any of the jewelry he gave me since Dday. I guess I’ll sell it, but so far I’ve found it too much of a bother to do so, plus it wouldn’t fetch much of a price. It’s just a pair of 14K gold and garnet earrings and matching necklace, plus a gold chain. That is the sum total of all the decent jewelry FW ever bought for me. Nor did he want to bother picking them out. He told me to pick what I wanted and he would pay. Stupid me, I picked inexpensive items. I was always being frugal for the sake of our family while FW spent money like he had a money tree.
Me too, we could have afforded more but silly me was concerned about kids college fund
I don’t know for certain if any of the gifts he gave me during the affairs were re-gifts but he does get gold stars for “bounce back” gifts.
When he moved out of our house in TX and into schmoopie’s apartment in CA, he left behind all of his stuff, a lot of it in the garage with the promise to retrieve it. Months passed. He married the AP and I got fed up with his crap in what was now my garage. So, I very diplomatically rented a storage unit, paid the first month’s rent, used up a Saturday, and moved all of his stuff into it, and then sent him the key. (Wow–was he ANGRY. How dare I!? He had a complete temper tantrum over it, flew in on a midnight flight, loaded it all into a U-Haul, refused to see the kids while he was in town, and drove back to CA.)
With that in mind, here’s the latest on his “gifts”:
Last January he and the AP moved to Costa Rica. (None of us really know why.) Anyway, I guess he gave away most of his stuff–but before doing so offered bucketloads of it to the kids–who in a very desperate attempt to make a connection, any connection, with their very MIA dad said they’d take it. About a quarter of the stuff that I had moved out of the garage 8 years ago has boomeranged back!
PS And just for fun–he included some odd unasked for “gifts:” a green picnic blanket, a serving plate, a faux fur coat, and a can of bear repellant.
The re-gifting without remorse seems so congruent with their character…or lack thereof. After all, they’ve been re-gifting themselves to others for years.
First post. First, thank you so much to CL and CN. You have saved me so much pain and suffering. I never would have figured out cake on my own. Love your humor!
Pathetic loser almost never gave me Birthday or Christmas gifts. I stopped giving them to him too. Why bother? Schmoopie is a clothing designer. He came back from a business trip with what I thought was free swag from an event. He gave me 3 T-shirts. Wow, lucky me: Of course they were too small and the fabric was awful. Never wore them, but didn’t give them away – they were a gift to me. (He missed me. He thought of me. Insert chump sigh here).
After DDay I realized the T-shirt designer was his OW. While he was away, I packed up all my things and moved out in secret. I left all the gifts he ever gave me. Those three tshirts , plus three other sweatshirts (not sure if they relate to another affair on a business trip?) and some other little stuff. One of the T-shirts ended up in the trash though. I wrote „heartless slut“ in black marker and cut out a heart in the middle and slashed it all up in shreds. I had hung it very nice on a hanger as the only thing in my part of the closet. In addition I hid lots of other revenge items all around the house. It was before I read all of CL blogs. I hadn’t got to „if it feels good, then don’t due it“. But luckily my sister has a good head on her shoulders and told me to throw all that revenge shit in the trash otherwise he will have evidence for „bitch be crazy“.
But my favorite hidden revenge was this one. He told me 7 months before DDay that it would be my fault if he cheated because I don’t shave my pussy. Asshole. After DDay I took a bag that the heartless slut gave to him, which he likes to use to put his shoes in when traveling, and trimmed all my pubic hair into it. On the advice of my sister, I shook most of the hair out into the trash before I moved out, but there are definitely a few still in there. Enjoy finding pubic hairs in your shoes on your next trip, asshole.
That’s hilarious! I have heard chumps say they used the FW’s toothbrush to clean the toilet before leaving.
” it would be my fault if he cheated because I don’t shave my pussy.”
“Dammit, TheArtOfChumping, I want your genitals as naked as a toddler’s. Or else.” Whatta guy. (Retch)
I can’t think of when eX regifted but this post reminds me that every gift I ever gave him ended up being thrown in his ‘stuff’ drawer. Watch, wedding ring, books, personalized keychain, photos of us, even the beautiful wedding gift I gave him on our wedding night 34ish-something years ago. I guess my gifts to him meant nothing to him.
Actually, I was the one who sucked at giving gifts. I think I’ve gotten better, but the FW XW can claim it as a skill. HOWEVER dot dot dot 😁
After she fucked (ironical use) me and our family over by having an exit-affair with her scummy, rich, older and long time married boss, she decided that my mother (a narcissist herself, but not solely a narcissist 🤷♂️) deserved a handmade quilt to help her get over her soon to be ex-DIL exit-affairing her son after almost twenty five years of marriage.
Luckily, I was able to convince my mother to not open up the package sent to her containing the quilt and a letter, I gather, possibly explaining why the FW XW had to fuck around on me and the family with her soon to be former boss, but eventual “new husband”.
I only found out about what was in the package at all because the kids decided to tell me, unasked for. I gather they at least shook their heads at their mother thinking this would be helpful to my mother and my family in general. Yeah…no.🤬
My guess is she felt she HAD to tell her side of things to my mother.
[My partial take on the FW XW’s possible explanation of her affair to my mother:
“So, now you understand, this is why I had to blow apart my wedding vows to your son, by having an affair with my boss in his wife’s house. It’s why I’m such a modern feminist, don’t you see?”]
Because how she’s perceived and portrayed is what matters most. Gah. Just shoot me.🤢🤮
It’s creepy how FW’s seek to pass on the physical motifs of the Chump’s abilities, values, interests and tastes to the AP.
I think FWs do this to ‘sell’ themselves to the AP. Ie they implicitly ‘sell’ the virtues of the Chump’s lifestyle, values and tastes to the AP, through the process of rehashing/(re)gifting and the sharing around of Chump initiated activities and projects.
And conversely, physical motif signals from the AP, sometimes worm their way into the Chump’s physical landscape.
It’s like a pair of unkempt animals pissing all over the furniture.
When FW was trying to impress Eurotwat, he cultivated similar foodie interests that I’d introduced in our relationship and plans to travel to Japan, a destination that I’d introduced in our relationship,
He shared with her, photos I’d taken of a special holiday in Japan, passing it off as his own earlier travel log and worldliness.
I strongly suspect he boasted of his planned travel to a prestigious university on a study scholarship (a scholarship I had secured for both of us as a delayed honeymoon. I did it so that he would be an equal in our shared lives whilst I studied formally there).
He hoarded designer tea towels and body lotions I’d bought. It’s all so weird.
I’m sure, once Eurotwat had secured the regifting of his genitals, that she was also angling for the material aspects of my life too.
They car-travelled together through the suburb where we had recently purchased a new home, to various landmarks. I’m very sure she had her eye on what is now solely my home (I had paid for over 90 percent of it).
What Eurotwat failed to understand (and I have to admit this failure delights me now), is that he was lazy, gauche and never a financial contributor. None of what she was coveting was really ‘him’ or ‘him generated’ to begin with.
Ah well. Last thing I heard she had moved to a regional location and was “passionately” looking for innovative work in her field.
I had also deduced that one of her gifts to him was a very stock-standard passport wallet. He was very funny about it.
I think it was her way to ‘imprint’ herself on what was meant to have been a very special study trip of a lifetime for me. Also, what was meant to have been a very special, shared, honeymoon experience for FW and I.
I chuckle now to think that FW blew his whole life up – wife, love, creative achievements, full support with medical care and insurances and a beautiful home (given that as it turns out that was something that mattered to him – he was materially greedy)… for a plastic wallet.
Too bad , so sad….
Even just on his own materialistic. terms that makes him a real Fuckwit.
None of my abusive exes ever gave me gifts, which tells you everything you need to know.
The one exception was the college ex who, on my birthday, gifted me a creepy pegasus marionette that had clearly been rotting away in his parents’ attic. His reasoning was that I loved unicorns and this had been his favorite toy as a kid so he thought I’d like to have it.
Yes, I loved unicorns — when I was five. And this wasn’t a unicorn, it was a pegasus. It wasn’t a beloved antique that was worth something (in dollars or sentimental value), it had clearly been collecting dust and was in bad shape. And I didn’t collect antiques, so it’s not like this was something I would’ve been interested in owning to begin with.
As a final blow, the marionette seriously looked possessed. It was so creepy that I stuck it in a drawer until I dumped the guy months later and mailed it back to him, since he’d claimed the toy had meant so much to him. For some reason, he was very upset I returned it.
I have a solid picker now thanks to years of therapy, and in hindsight the biggest red flag I missed in all my terrible exes was horrible or non-existent gift giving. I could’ve saved myself so much trouble if I’d recognized that it revealed a lack of important qualities like generosity, empathy, consideration, and being able to plan for the future.
Does regifting count if it was a free gift or sample?
Master of the free gift whilst gambling and spending family money!
Golf balls – I don’t play golf
A single-use hand warmer
A packet of liquorice (opened)
Coffee pods for a broken coffee machine
Pair of bed socks size 9 (I am size 4)
Tea bags and hotel shampoo
Disposable raincape
All wrapped in second-hand wrapping paper and presented with aplomb
The BIT (Bratislavan Italian Trollop) was on FB wearing my favourite off the shoulder black lace top and my charity shop (thrift) pink heart shaped necklace with matching earings in a lovey Dovey post with dickbrain. Her black straight hair dyed blonde and pinned up in a curly top knot. I reposted a memory picture on my FB of myself in the same outfit hairstyle and pose. WIN !
He took my sex toys (vibrators etc.) when he moved out. I can only assume Schmoopie got to use them. Ewww!
Also all of the books and computer games that he gifted me over the years are gone. He wouldn’t read them and they weren’t his gaming genre so I am assuming the several teenagers that I discovered he was bonking have them.
He also moved out with all the essential oil burners in the house, without taking much else.