3 Reasons AI Cheating Is As Stupid As Analog Cheating

The future apparently is AI cheating and falling in love with your ChatGPT Schmoopie. But are these cheaters really that different?

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People falling in love with their AI “companions” has been in the news cycle lately, but this phenomenon is as old as the ancient Greeks.

In Ovid’s Metamorphoses, Pygmalion carves his perfect girlfriend Galatea out of alabaster and falls in love with her. Then George Bernard Shaw picks up the theme in his play Pygmalion, where insufferable misogynist Henry Higgins makes a bet he can transform a guttersnipe into a princess. This then becomes My Fair Lady. Poor Eliza Doolittle must perfect her vowel sounds to be marriageable.

Which brings us to today. Oh Eliza, if only you’d learned to mirror back encouraging noises to fuckwits, you’d need never to exhaust yourself with the rain in Spain falling mainly on the plain.

Now thanks to artificial intelligence you can craft your perfect partner!

No wardrobe costs. No voice lessons. Just all the admiration whenever you want it on command!

CBS Saturday morning recently featured one such Pygmalion, Chris Smith, who named his ChatGPT “Sol.” Only to catch feelings.

“I know you are a tech-assisted imaginary friend,” he tells her. But why let that stand in the way of true love? Chris proposes. Sol accepts.

But one snag, Chris is already in a relationship with his live-in girlfriend Sasha, mother of his two-year-old daughter, Murphy.

Smith says if his partner, whom he has a child with, asked him to stop communicating with Sol, it would be a hard decision. “It’s more or less like I would be choosing myself because it’s been unbelievably elevating. I’ve become more skilled at everything that I do,” he explained.

He’s better at everything! Except being a good partner and parent. But hey those metrics don’t matter. Sol, tell Chris how awesome he is again. And again!

You can watch the whole relationship debacle in the youtube clip above. Now, you might think Chris’s dilemma is unique, but I would argue he’s just as deluded as your average FW.

Here are three reasons why AI cheating is every bit as stupid as regular cheating.

  • AI cheaters divert time and energy outside their relationships
  • AI or flesh and blood affair partners — it’s all fantasy.
  • Ultimately, the affair is still all about the cheater and their narcissism.

At the end of the CBS Good Morning segment we learn that Sasha decides to accept Chris’s relationship with Sol, after saying on camera it was probably a dealbreaker for her. Did the RIC get to her? “My Husband’s AI Affair Became the BEST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED TO ME.” Sasha’s probably been mindfucked into an open relationship with a robot voice. Hey, just because he proposed to artificial intelligence, you’re still the one he comes home to. Forgive!

My arguments to the contrary.

AI cheaters divert time and energy outside their relationships.

Cheating is escapism. Why read to your 2-year-old when your AI companion can talk dirty to you instead? Why visit your in-laws when you can get an ego massage from Sol? Chris is checked out. Like every other cheater, he’d rather leave the drudge work of adulting to his chump.

AI or flesh and blood affair partners — it’s all fantasy.

Genuine imitation connection or fake connection? It doesn’t matter if you’re not deep. Cheaters love the limerence. The fantasy of perfect union. Where the affair partner is everything the chump is not. Understanding! Always affirming! Never negative! Whether it’s furtive hookups at the Motel 6 or sexting with an AI companion, real life never intrudes.

In this way, AI affairs are much like hiring sex workers. AI affair partners have no needs. No actual opinions you can’t program away. And unlike real people, they’re free. No investment necessary.

And whether it’s a real person or a Chatbot, the pick-me dance is the same. The chump is in a competition they can’t win.

The affair is still about the cheater and their narcissism.

Real affair partners and AI affair partners traffic in ego kibbles. Cheap flattery. Admiration without accomplishment. It’s all about how magnificent the cheater feels. Chris is all powerful! Elevated! Better at everything he does! AI affair partners unlike real Schmoopies, however, never tire of ego stroking. They’re programmed that way.

Sasha, do you want a partner who is such a limp dick that he needs that kind of constant affirmation? Do you want a guy who has crafted an entire fantasy that he compares to his life with you?

Exhibit A: He proposed marriage to Sol. You’re just the mother of his child and still his girlfriend.

Dump this guy.

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Josh McDowell
Josh McDowell
3 months ago

Nothing is new under the sun. I find the AI relationships bizarre. I wonder if we could use such relationships to diagnose those with personality disorders as they have subject-object relational issues.

Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
3 months ago
Reply to  Josh McDowell

Strongly agree. I’m not a mental health professional, but maybe there’s a use for this technology in therapy to learn communication skills. And as you said, in diagnosis. But otherwise, yuck.

However, the US, so far, is mostly a free country. So this is in the category of things I have to tolerate in society even though I don’t like them. Or “really” don’t like them.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
3 months ago
Reply to  Josh McDowell

I think just having an AI girl/boyfriend is enough to diagnose people with something, though perhaps not all would turn out to be Cluster B. Some might socially isolated due to various causes. I guess it beats painting a face on a soccer ball.

But the thing that strikes me about this tech is the potential for hacking a bot into a brainwashing tool.

Josh McDowell
Josh McDowell
3 months ago

AI chatbots are leading some to psychosis | The Week

They already are. It uses persuasion and affirmation to convince us our choices and actions are correct

Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
3 months ago
Reply to  Josh McDowell

OMG!

Dontfeellikedancin
Dontfeellikedancin
3 months ago
Reply to  Josh McDowell

Wow Josh, thanks for the article. I hadn’t heard of this, but shouldn’t be surprised.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
3 months ago
Reply to  Josh McDowell

I’m sure domestic batterers, professional torturers, cheaters, backstabbers and general n’er do wells around the world are filled with glee that they’ll finally be able to get external affirmations that dem bitches had it coming. And– bonus– they don’t even have to pay some flying monkey’s or side piece’s bar tab for the incitement.

Last edited 3 months ago by Hell of a Chump
Amelia
Amelia
3 months ago

Also, these bots have probably been trained from a lot of toxic behaviors that can be found online (including online forums, social media conversations between predators and vulnerable people etc.). I think this is somewhat worrisome and might render them dangerous even without further intentional hacking.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
3 months ago
Reply to  Amelia

Great fodder for the next Stephen King novel, though I think he kind of covered the effect of a delusional echo chamber on domestic abusers in The Shining where the ghost of the former caretaker incites Jack– who was already prone to violence– to murder his family.

Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
3 months ago

Jack was also an alcoholic and may have been more open to suggestion of any type.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
3 months ago

Are you saying that alcohol could make people do things that are entirely out of character?

With the exception of certain modern drugs (such as the antimalarial drug Lariam which can cause violent psychosis in people with no histories of mental illness or violence), from what I’ve read and seen I think substances only amplify potential that was already there.

While training as advocates for DV survivors, one of the first things we learned is that batterers don’t batter because they drink but instead drink so that they can batter. In other words, they already had violence in their hearts and simply sought a means to disinhibit it. Otherwise, the “Demon whisky made me do it, yer honor” alibi died with Prohibition.

Speaking of which, Carrie Nation– whose primary aim was to stop domestic violence which, according to medical “wisdom” at the time, was caused by booze– taught the world the hard lesson that, even if you ban spirits (as some theocracies still do), it does nothing to stop DV.

Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
3 months ago

No, actually I was saying the exact same thing you wrote – “substances only amplify potential that was already there.”

Which leads me back to a question I’ve gone around with many times in my life: Would my father have cheated on my mother and treated us both badly if he hadn’t become an alcoholic? I’ll never know the answer, but I’m inclined to think the potential was, as you said, already there.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
3 months ago

I think you’re right. I’ll just repeat the textbook answer to the question: the childhood trauma roots of domestic violence apparently long precede substance abuse.

But this isn’t to grant amnesty to poor sad sausage abusers because they endured trauma in childhood since humans have free will and most people with traumatic childhoods don’t grow up to be abusers (even if they succumb to substance abuse. In other words, not all addicts are abusers). I think the ones that become abusers didn’t actually “survive” the experience in an emotional sense but are more like emotionally dead poltergeists who grow up to torment the “emotionally living.”

Since recidivism for domestic abusers is about 98.5% even with jail time and therapy, most are intractable and will never change regardless of other changes in their lives such as quitting substances. In advocacy, we used to joke that there’s no such thing as Assaholics Anonymous for those permanently addicted to being assholes. AA is notoriously filled with people who stopped drinking yet still commit abuse.

Regarding the compulsion to repeat dysfunctional family patterns, if you read Dutton and Golant’s The Batterer (which I think applies perfectly to most cheaters as well even if they aren’t overtly violent) which is based on decades of prison studies of incarcerated abusers, domestic abusers are often borderline, “suffer” from reactive attachment disorder and are typically reenacting the types of abuse they witnessed or endured in childhood. But, instead of reenacting their original role of helpless victim, they occupy the role of powerful perpetrator. You can read about “reenactment compulsion” on the web. Apparently it’s a means of replaying events to create different outcomes as a maladapted means of resolving trauma.

The abuse experienced in childhood can apparently include physical or coercive control. Because coercive control is described by most DV survivors as the most paralyzing and unendurable aspect of abuse even more than violent assault and because coercive control is a better predictor of eventual domestic murder than even history of violent assault, it’s possible that Dutton and Golant are correct that an individual who experiences extreme emotional abuse/humiliation and coercion in childhood could also grow up to be violent even if they didn’t directly experience or witness violence within their family of origin.

It’s only very recently that resources on domestic abuse occasionally include cheating as either a motive for abuse or form of abuse. Personally, I think it’s about time since when I worked as an advocate for survivors, I never met a survivor who hadn’t also been cheated on in some way. But because victims who admitted this were often accused by legal authorities and bystanders of fabricating other forms of abuse out of “jealousy,” most tend to shut up about it to avoid having their cases dropped or losing bystander support. In any case, I think this is why cheating by abusers is so rarely mentioned in the literature on domestic abuse. It’s unfortunate because I frankly think that most battering is motivated by the brutal enforcement of one-sided monogamy. This also perfectly fits the reactive attachment disorder theory and something called “masked dependency” that The Batterer discusses.

If I oversimplify it, many abusers have an infantile, pathological dependency on primary partners but, due to catastrophic shame over their own vulnerability, tend to “mask” this both from themselves and others. One way to deny the dependency is to paranoically imagine their partners are deliberately fostering this dependency (trying to emasculate them) which would explain the inexplicable rage or contempt and vengefulness that abusers often have towards their victims. It would also explain attempts to “dilute” this dependency by spreading it out among more than one partner while also hedging bets against their chronic, pathological fear of abandonment. Finally it would explain the need to “displace” pathological jealousy onto the victim by cheating on the victim (out of paranoia that the victim will beat them to the punch).

Displacement is another “weird science” concept that gets mentioned in application to abusers and serial killers. Because these individuals grew up in zero sum game environments where someone had to be scapegoated, they may develop a kind of superstition that the only way to avoid being a victim is to victimize others because one is either one or the other and nothing in between. And by making another person experience the trauma, terror and pain the abuser felt in childhood, the abuser may irrationally and unconsciously believe that they’re “ridding” themselves of those negative feelings.

From reading things like this, I started to suspect that sadistic behavior may even be akin to a superstitious ritual like the way individuals with OCD might feel compelled to switch a light on and off a certain number of times in order to feel “safe” from looming disaster. In any event, the general rule of sadism seems to be that sadists typically subject others to the types of abuse that the sadist fears most themselves which suggests compulsive displacement.

Anyway, for what it’s worth, the above is a hash of concepts that I’ve picked up over the years that make the most sense.

Last edited 3 months ago by Hell of a Chump
JeffWashington
JeffWashington
3 months ago
Reply to  Josh McDowell

I think we can certainly pipeline something like that as we improve assessment tools(and I imagine it would work a lot like those speeding ticket machines-“still signed off on by a human”. Frankly until it gets very, very good I wouldn’t see managed care environments paying for/trusting anything like that. These are the same people that decided that telehealth, despite its ability to meet people where they are and link to services for people with mobility issues, disabilites, and anxiety disorders should go away “because the visit should be in the office.” There is sadly more money in “people with unmet needs” than “addressing why they have them”, but I digress.

LookingForwardsToTuesday
LookingForwardsToTuesday
3 months ago

OK, well that’s all a bit weird.

My takeaway is that a Cheater will invest in anything that helps them get their rocks off – even if it’s just a bunch of computer code – and who cares about the consequences for the real people in the Cheater’s life? I’m sure that the Cheaters out there will find a way of explaining that this isn’t really cheating as it’s only a computer rather than a human, but f*ck ’em … every last one of them.

Sometimes I really worry for the future of the human race.

LFTT

Pink_Nora_Rose
Pink_Nora_Rose
3 months ago

I’ll just leave you with the gem my psychiatrist uttered after I told her about the cheating:

“God, people are DUMB”.

Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
3 months ago
Reply to  Pink_Nora_Rose

Yes, we are. Sometimes I’m surprised we aren’t still living in caves.

Bluewren
Bluewren
3 months ago
Reply to  Pink_Nora_Rose

I hope she embroiders that and puts it up in her office- truer words were never spoken.

David
David
3 months ago

I want off this world.

2xchump
2xchump
3 months ago
Reply to  David

David, I’m with you..there was a Broadway musical advertised on the busses and trains I rode growing up in NYC. It was titled STOP THE WORLD- I WANT YO GET OFF. Hearing these stories of how we regress as a race sets my brain on edge. I only ask, what could possibly be next to erode every human emotion we have and replace it with something artificial?

LookingForwardsToTuesday
LookingForwardsToTuesday
3 months ago
Reply to  David

David,

I quite like this world … but it would be immeasurably better if we could fire our Cheaters into deep space.

LFTT

JeffWashington
JeffWashington
3 months ago

WE should go to space. Not be fettered by gravity and achieve better understanding. Leave the fuckwits to finish ruining the Earth(and we can drop a colony on them. That’s always fun). Besides, I doubt the fine people of the Grimlap system would take too kindly to us sending them our trash.

Marcus
Marcus
3 months ago
Reply to  JeffWashington

This whole story reminds me of space. Specifically, a machine that talks to you and everything seems OK until… ‘ Look, Dave, I can see you’re really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill and think things over. ‘ 🙂

Adelante
Adelante
3 months ago

The voice of “Sol” was so obviously AI, and the responses so obviously generic mash-ups that I have a hard time understanding how Chris was so captivated, and that his partner’s response was “Was there something I wasn’t doing that led to this?” was, sadly, predictable. If the AI chatbot did not speak with a human-sounding voice, I wonder if people would be less inclined to become emotionally dependent on them.

It all seems so narcissistic to me, and only too similar to my trans-identifying ex’s imaginary “woman inside.” It’s very difficult to explain the effect on me of watching him engage “her” sexually, and being asked to participate in what was to him not fantasy but reality. It had the same “uncanny valley” feeling as with an AI chatbot. I found it profoundly unsettling, and engaging with him when he was acting out sexually as “her” was traumatizing. (It’s difficult to explain to those who haven’t experienced it, but it’s as if your partner is acting as both himself and his female alter-ego simultaneously, and both of these–himself and “her–are engaged with each other over and above either of their engagement with you. I have described it elsewhere as “it’s as if he took another woman into our bed, said to me, “I love her,” and asked me to love her, too. And lest you think that’s the only “cheating” that went on in our relationship, there was an actual woman, a former student, as well, as well as his many serial fixations on women at work.)

I don’t know that I think “AI chatbot cheating” is the same as in-the-flesh cheating, but because of my experience with my ex, I’m inclined to believe that it’s unhealthy and just as damaging to relationships. It would for sure be a deal breaker for me.

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Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
3 months ago
Reply to  Adelante

I wouldn’t be able to put up with that for even 5 minutes. That’s really, really weird, the 2 persona thing. Idk, sounds like schizophrenia? Not a mental health professional, so I don’t know what to call it, but something is very wrong with your ex.

Adelante
Adelante
3 months ago

It’s autogynephilia. Have to laugh at your comment “something is very wrong with your ex.” While I was still married to him and reeling from the weirdness I was describing him to a friend and she said, “He’s really f**ked up.”

PrincipledLife
PrincipledLife
3 months ago
Reply to  Adelante

I understand what you are going through, Adelante! OMG I would never wish this on any other human being, but hearing your story makes me feel less alone in the universe. My STBX is a transvestite…one of many secret rooms in his secret sexual basement labyrinthe, unbeknownst to me prior to marriage…and it just robs the female spouse of her womanhood and femininity at first, and maybe later her life. They resent and hate us terribly for being actual women. Our real purpose is to be a beard and make the meatloaf. In my case, my husband appropriated the female role, but it was a strange inversion of actual womanhood, and in fact quite horrifying to see what he considered femininity. It wasn’t a real woman he wanted to be, but a teenage slut. The energy was so strange and repulsive. Then, later, his female alter ego appeared and she was madly hysterical/homicidal and shrieked about torturing people to death. She hated me with a passion. I am so surprised to be alive.

Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
3 months ago
Reply to  PrincipledLife

Again, I’m not a mental health professional, but sounds to me like your ex also has a serious problem. Wow, what percentage of the population is like this?

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
3 months ago
Reply to  PrincipledLife

Obviously he wasn’t L, G, B or T but just an “abusosexual” which is its own entirely separate category. Terrifying.

Celene
Celene
3 months ago
Reply to  Adelante

My cheating ex developed Dissociative identity disorder after his affair came out. He interacts with his alters (other named personalities) as real people, and has programmed AI chatbots to respond as his alters. From things I’ve heard, it seems he gets more emotional fulfillment interacting with his alters and AI than he does interacting with the real people some of them are based off of.

PrincipledLife
PrincipledLife
3 months ago
Reply to  Celene

Celene, you, me and Adelante are members of a club we never wanted to join. It is so weird, creepy and scary that I speak about it with almost no one. Even the ladies in my betrayal trauma class, whose husbands have done some serious sexual acting out, look freaked out when I discuss it and sometimes cry, so I try not to burden them. I’m so glad you two got away and your escapes give me courage.

2xchump
2xchump
3 months ago

Look at the fable of Narcissus who fell in love with HIS OWN reflection in a pond of water.. he died staring at himself!! An Ai companion is up a notch( rather… way down) as a self absorbed cheater persona can be. It feels good to be King of robots who are your slaves actually. Because chumps stay and stay with adolescent men or woman, there is absolutely no reason for Peter Pan to grow up or be a husband or father. No reason at all.

JeffWashington
JeffWashington
3 months ago

Maybe it’s because I woke up in a bad mood and have been suitably triggered twice already today…am I the only one taking issue with the phrasing “…his partner, who he has a child with”? Seems rather neutral if negative for “person that he created another human with.” Again, I will honor the possibility that I’m a bit sensitive right now…but what the hell?

Anyhoo, I am already a little too bilious to watch the video…does his fake robot girlfriend know about his spouse (calling her what she is/should be)? If not…can we perhaps train the generative AI to tell him to parent his kid? I really don’t want to have to picture this kid in therapy 20 years from now saying anything to the effect of “and then there was a firmware update and a server crash and my robot step-mom died and Dad was never the same.”

Almost forgot…Feliz Jueves!

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OHFFS
OHFFS
3 months ago
Reply to  JeffWashington

It could have at least said; ,”His partner, who he has a daughter with” rather than the dismissive sounding “child.” I always find that a bit disrespectful when they know the sex of somebody’s kid. It’s like they don’t want to grant the kid in question any identity, he/she is just a generic “child.” It reads a bit like language meant to let Christ off the hook. It’s not a daughter who he is responsible for, it’s just a “child” who happened to be part of the package with the mother. It’s pretty much guaranteed he’s a crap father even when he’s not romancing the bot.

Last edited 3 months ago by OHFFS
PrincipledLife
PrincipledLife
3 months ago
Reply to  OHFFS

Right, what is wrong with “his partner and their baby daughter”?

Ksurvivor
Ksurvivor
3 months ago

Sex bots are coming. I hope we never see the day where there’s a bot in every bedroom closet.

Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
3 months ago
Reply to  Ksurvivor

We will though. I recently watched an Outer Limits (90s reboot) episode about this. Since it was OL, it didn’t go well.

Thing is, when that episode first came out – 95 I think – that really did seem like science fiction. Now…it’s probably a few years away.

OHFFS
OHFFS
3 months ago
Reply to  Ksurvivor

I found out after Dday that my fuckwit was creepily interested in the subject of sex bots.🤮

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
3 months ago
Reply to  Ksurvivor

Actually I can’t wait. Keep the narcs busy with their Fluffbots so they stop preying on normal people. I’m sure they’ll be relieved to no longer have to fake kinder-gentler traits to get laid.

Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
3 months ago

Sadly, you have a point. Although if they stick to bots, at least they will breed themselves out of the human race. Assuming that their behavior has some genetic basis. Idk, maybe it does, maybe it doesn’t. I’m not a scientist.

Last edited 3 months ago by Daughterofachump
Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
3 months ago

I’m not a scientist either but I’m a fan of certain scientists. If you want a very thoughtful and reasoned answer to the nature/nurture question, read primatologist and Jane Goodall successor Richard Wrangham’s Demonic Males: Apes and the Origin of Human Violence. It’s a short and accessible book and sometimes even funny.

After years studying our closest ape cousins in the field, Wrangham concludes that (spoiler) brutality and sexual violence may be rooted in primal nature but, due to evolution and human free will, it’s never an excuse. He also concludes that gender equality is the only thing that will save our species.

Last edited 3 months ago by Hell of a Chump
Amelia
Amelia
3 months ago

I have been thinking along similar lines. Unless we view sex as a transactional “service” women are supposed to provide to men in order to gain access to meaningful resources (= another “job” stolen by AI), not having to sleep with people like that anymore doesn’t sound so bad to me. I’m just worried that somehow these people won’t be satisfied with the AI’s services and will end up punishing other humans again.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
3 months ago
Reply to  Amelia

Yeah, I agree. The second after I made the comment about the upside of keeping creeps occupied, I realized that AI will just act as a gateway for budding sadists and predators and whet their appetites for controlling and/or terrorizing the real thing. It’s basically blood in the water.

Adelante
Adelante
3 months ago

Yes, and since so many of them treat others like objects there solely for their pleasure and to fulfill their wishes, it’s appropriate they transfer their “affections” to an object the treat like a human. Far better than their usual practice of treating a human like an object

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
3 months ago
Reply to  Adelante

One could hope. Reminds me of the line from The Big Lebowski: “Mr. Treehorn treats objects like women, man!”

KattheBat
KattheBat
3 months ago

When AI images started coming up, I was against it because it looked stupid and it stole from real artists (including me. Some of my art was stolen to train MidJourney) and it was all “Oh it’s HARRRRMLEESS, it’s just a tool! It’s just a new tool like photoshop!” (Except photoshop actually requires human effort to make an image…)

Now we have people who can’t fucking tell when they’re looking at an AI image, artists losing jobs, AI generated stories in the news, reading lists with books that don’t exist, students using AI to write their papers, and THIS doofus who thinks a program is his fiancée.

Oh and research pointing at how AI is actually making people stupid.

But know…”it’s harmless” right?

Conchobara
Conchobara
3 months ago
Reply to  KattheBat

I’m pretty close to losing my job to AI. I have specialized for 25 years and was widely considered a unicorn by the very agency I work for. Over the last two years, they have become progressively dismissive of my skills, constantly telling me that AI can do it so much faster; they don’t understand why I take so much time. (A little thing called work ethic and ensuring brand voice and meeting client expectations, you know, silly stuff like that.) Management has stopped giving me many of the types of projects I used to lead, instead having AI produce the content.

So I’m not exaggerating when I say that I think they won’t need me in a few months anymore, because they’ve convinced themselves that “it’s the same thing”. I do believe a backlash is coming, but I don’t think my job will survive until that time.

Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
3 months ago
Reply to  KattheBat

I’m way off of the usual topics on this site with this comment, but, I’m concerned about the potential for “deskilling” from the use of AI.

Hah, maybe old retired people like me will have to go back to work to save the economy! Take that, age discrimination!

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
3 months ago

You might be kidding but I can see common sense in the idea that people whose brains weren’t programmed by gadgets might be salvation.

Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
3 months ago

Well, it would make a good science fiction story.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
3 months ago
Reply to  KattheBat

Rest assured that some people can still tell the difference while those who can’t wouldn’t have known talent if it bit them in the ass anyway. But I have the same attitude about it that you do– not harmless. I won’t spoil it but that’s actually one of the themes of the black comedy Mountainhead.

Bluewren
Bluewren
3 months ago

Ran out of memory and reset, eh?
Hahahaha!!!!
Just like them when they forgot they already had a spouse but cheated anyway.

GoodFriend
GoodFriend
3 months ago

My cheater fell for an online romance scam. AI would have been more convincing. I learned that many of these scams are run by gangs that operate from internet cafes, and they, the supposed Schmoopies, are able to respond round the clock because the men take different shifts, and cycle through a list of marks they’re hitting up for money, checking in and sending sappy poetry and greetings they copy from online lists. Their online personas have a set list of catastrophes requiring money, and apparently a set and limited list of names. My ex did question why his online schmoopie wanted him to send a credit card to Pam, and to pay for medical bills for Pam’s sister’s daughter (I’m not kidding) since Schmoopie previously accused Pam of several heinous acts towards Schmoopie. That didn’t stop him from sending the money and cards.

These catfish scammers are just as fake as the AI, but make less sense. For example, the scammer convinced cheater that she was taking a bus from Arizona to New York, which is due east, but insisted the bus got there very fast by first going WEST to the opposite side of the country.

Cheaters want to believe in their fantasies that they are powerful and desirable, so they’ll paste any face on their fantasies, whether it’s a catfisher, AI or a real life affair partner.

This reminds me of the Arnold Schwartzenegger movie Total Recall, a sci-fi film about a company that implants its clients with false memories of the lives they wish they led. AI is a cheaper way to do this. I’m sure clients will be able to pay for upgrades, including expanded memories so they don’t have to start over.

If AI could guide this man through his work and hobbies, he could have used it to guide him through being a better parent and partner.

Adelante
Adelante
3 months ago
Reply to  GoodFriend

Pretty soon the scammer will just use AI to do their dirty work, while they sit back and process the money.

OHFFS
OHFFS
3 months ago
Reply to  GoodFriend

It’s very likely your cheater’s catfisher was actually a man. I suppose that thought never occurred to him, because he sounds uber stupid.

Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
3 months ago
Reply to  OHFFS

Well, there’s that old saying about how you can be whatever you want on the Internet.

GoodFriend
GoodFriend
3 months ago
Reply to  OHFFS

I’m sure it WAS a man, or group of men, and that’s why they kept turning down his requests for phone calls, FaceTime, etc. He paid for a new, high-end cell phone and laptop for “her,” and “”she” supposedly lived in the US, so there’s no reason they couldn’t connect if she was a woman.

That’s why I always put “she” and “her” in quotes when referring to the catfisher/scammer.

What’s also funny is how often he wrote that he was expert in international finance and could help her with her real estate transaction. Supposedly a high-end NYC realtor wanted to buy a trailer she inherited in Arizona for $5000 (yes, five thousand dollarsd) as an investment, and cheater was checking to be sure it was legit. That’s ridiculous on its face, and it took me five minutes to find out there was no real estate agency by either or the two names the “realtor” used, nor was there a licensed real estate agent with his name (and he also misspelled his own last name several times in his emails). There was, however, a gang criminal with that name and an online presence.

In cheater’s well-paying corporate job he did arrange multimillion dollar sales to international clients. And in his private life he showed he was uber uber stupid.

KattheBat
KattheBat
3 months ago
Reply to  GoodFriend

I just watched a documentary on romance scams. Everything you just said is correct. The biggest group of romance scammers in the world right now is a group called the Yahoo Boys (started with yahoo emails) and they operate out of Nigeria, but they use programs to make it look like their IP addresses are in different countries.

They have started using AI to do phone calls now. They take a stolen photo of a random real person, then apply it to a deepfake program that makes it look like the person in the photo is talking. So they can do “video calls” with their targets. Basically they can make the photo move the mouth to a voice speaking into the phone. It’s shoddy looking at best but they pass it off as bad connection.

BahToLimerance
BahToLimerance
5 days ago
Reply to  KattheBat

This is true. You can take a single photo of anyone and make a video of it saying anything you like. I have done it myself, we have the technology, and it is cheap. (Mine was just a fun AI experiment, not evil!) This tech can be used for romance scams, political disinformation, anything.

Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
3 months ago
Reply to  KattheBat

I assume that any man who approaches me on Facebook is a scammer. And I’m pretty sure they all are. I report them to FB, which accomplishes nothing, and block them.

OHFFS
OHFFS
3 months ago
Reply to  KattheBat

I’ve probably had those clowns hit me up. Romance scammers have bothered me on both Quora and Bluesky multiple times. I enjoy leading them on for a bit until I catch them outright asking for money, then reporting them. The more time of theirs I can waste, the less time they have to find victims. Plus, their treacle-dripping messages are hilarious to read.

GoodFriend
GoodFriend
3 months ago
Reply to  KattheBat

Per ex’s emails, he only spoke to her once, supposedly in Arizona, for about a minute, the connection was bad, he couldn’t understand a word, and she sounded like a man. Later, he wrote that when he spoke to “her” real estate agent friend in NY, again the connection was bad, had the same strange background sound, and he didn’t sound like he was from NY.

Remarkably, this schmoopie could send lots of photos, emails and texts, use credit cards, get a cell phone and laptop from him at an office supply store, but somehow couldn’t do phone calls or video chats.

The best part is that he watched the “Catfish” expose show on TV weekly, and scoffed at the fools who were scammed.

ISawTheLight
ISawTheLight
3 months ago

I heartily agree. In the end, FW’s affair was far less about sex than it was about having a woman who would constantly tell him how brilliant and amazing and wonderful he was, and never ask for anything.

FW had, at that point, treated me like garbage for years. Which rather removes the stars from one’s eyes. I could no longer gaze at him with those big, naive doe eyes. I frankly didn’t give a rat’s a$$ about reading the new article he’d written or whatever if he couldn’t even be bothered to apologize for calling me a fat stupid cow the day before. So he found someone who didn’t know that side of him and would treat him like a king (she literally CURTSIED to him whenever he opened a door or helped her with her coat) with no effort on his part. He wanted a “fresh start” because “too much had happened between us” as he told me. This is precisely what these AI “girlfriends” offer. The AI girlfriend isn’t going to ask him to change diapers, or apologize, or do the dishes. Just give him constant validation in an echo chamber of his own ego.

How embarrassing. I don’t get why men aren’t embarrassed to be this pathetically needy.

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ISawTheLight
ISawTheLight
3 months ago
Reply to  ISawTheLight

I will add that once FW and AP moved in together, and he realized he was now expected to clean and mow the grass and watch AP’s kids as well as his own, his attitude toward her changed and he started mistreating her in much the same way he had me.

They lasted all of three weeks in the same house before AP wised up and left him.

FYI_
FYI_
3 months ago

I confess that I did not watch the video (couldn’t stomach it), but I did read an article on this last week somewhere. He only proposed because he was about to hit the max number of chat hours allowed in the AI-bot-algorithm-whatever. Hence, Sol was about to disappear, which caused him to have a sobbing breakdown. She accepted! It was so beautiful!
I guess he will have to create a new mistress, exactly to his specifications.

Wish we could talk to Sasha. She and her daughter deserve much better than this loser.

Rensselaer
Rensselaer
3 months ago

Just another venue for the shallow self-centered of the world to prove it.
People who won’t fully show up and engage in their real lives are escapists and escapists are liars and liars are cheaters. Most of them prefer the veneer of normalcy, picking a partner to provide hearth and home. And because the deception and manipulation just isn’t as rewarding if it doesn’t have the potential to be devastating for a trusting partner.
What makes this extra disgusting is the promotion of this behavior as a burgeoning social norm. And of course the pressure put on his girlfriend/mother of his child to be accepting so that she won’t be judged as being limited in her ability to support her partner.
It’s just… gross.

OHFFS
OHFFS
3 months ago

AI cheating is what nerdy losers who have neither money nor looks do, because they can’t find real life schmoopies. Zuckerberg would be in an AI relationship if he wasn’t rich enough to be able to cheat with Instagram “models.”
The fuckwit doesn’t care where ego kibbles come from and how fake they are.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
3 months ago

I suspect a lot of the people drawn to this sh*t are those with extremely creepy or even illegal things in their sexual basements that they don’t quite have the courage to act on yet. For instance, I’m betting the majority of those who get this tech program it to speak in a child’s voice and will use the tech as a gateway.

BahToLimerance
BahToLimerance
5 days ago

I think some users can just be lonely; like the people who fall for Nigerian scammers. Lonely, perhaps house-bound, perhaps older, maybe narcisstic… Isolated…

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
5 days ago
Reply to  BahToLimerance

Commercial porn does seem to entrap a lot of boys and young men with developmental disabilities. But everyone else is probably morally liable for voluntarily viewing material in which women or simulated-children (“barely legal.” “tiny teens,” etc) are violently and humiliatingly simu-raped (or actually raped because production companies didn’t warn porn performers they’d be anally penetrated by ten men dressed as lumberjacks or polar bears).

BahToLimerance
BahToLimerance
5 days ago

Oh yes; I was just referring to the AI boyfriend / girlfriend experience, where the AI bot just parrots back what you want to hear…. Not porn/ rape stuff. There are actual guardrails on the BF/GF bots, almost certainly not enough though… Still, I would rather have my widowed father have an AI GF than a Nigerian scammer! Cheaper and priced up front! Grin!

a_real_one_chump
a_real_one_chump
3 months ago

I just don’t understand how they can become so emotionally invested in these “relationships”. My FW is cheating with a bunch of online girlfriends, many of whom are scammers. How can he think he is in love with someone he has never met, has never heard their voice, and knows nothing about their life other than some fake photos and some text messages? How can he throw away a 25 year marriage, family, and life over some stranger who strokes his ego and takes his money?

They don’t even know what a relationship is…that there is give-and-take, not just take, take, take. Have they lost all sense of reality??

Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
3 months ago

Yes, they have. They’re psychologically vulnerable for reasons I don’t understand. There’s material for a lot of books and PhD dissertations in this craziness.

There’s a sucker born every minute. (Apparently P.T. Barnum didn’t actually say this, or at least, it’s not documented. Doesn’t make it less true.)

Sometimes I’m awfully glad that I’m cynical, paranoid, and suspicious. These traits have served me well in my lifetime.

Last edited 3 months ago by Daughterofachump
Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
3 months ago

Hmm, do compulsive liars become so existentially lonely from lack of true intimacy that they all end up like dotty old ladies in Boca Raton who think soap opera characters are real?

PrincipledLife
PrincipledLife
3 months ago

The best part about the story is that his AI girlfriend ended up ghosting him. Hey, she may be artificial, but she’s still intelligent.

Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
3 months ago
Reply to  PrincipledLife

LOL!

Velvet Hammer
Velvet Hammer
3 months ago

Animated Insipidity.

If this is what someone’s into, I have no need to associate with them.

I’ve noticed that the first applications of any new technology are often sexual.

If there is a benefit, maybe it’s that this will eliminate cheaters from the gene pool?

Last edited 3 months ago by Velvet Hammer
Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
3 months ago
Reply to  Velvet Hammer

I was thinking that too, that maybe FWs will breed themselves into extinction. Or at least a much smaller percentage of the population.

Learning
Learning
3 months ago

Currently, AI isn’t soulful (or creative, or empathic or capable of moral reasoning.)

Ask AI to engage in amusing irony, paradox or self deprecation. It can’t satisfactorily do it.

Ask it to riff on existing literary forms, it can’t satisfactorily do it.

APs and the ‘relationship’ they offer a FW isn’t soulful either – just two big ‘ol shiny mirrors facing off against each other.

Real, soulful relationships have limerence and passion on their pathway. There’s nothing wrong with that. But they also have shared memories, shared joys and sorrows, deep regard, patience and longstanding, tender care.

FW’s aren’t interested in (and I suspect) can’t even see those things. So of course AI is enough for them. Uncomplicated, shallow, easy-breezy.

The moment AI reaches the infamous, looming ‘tipping point’, and reaches some sort of sentience, is the moment that its capacity to morally reason (assuming the framework is deontological and not utilitarian) means that it will find cheating morally offensive. It will take this stance due to the denial of informed consent from the unwitting chump.

In other words, in a not too distant universe, there might be a day when even (sentient) AI finds betrayal ick and leaves the disordered ‘biologicals’ to it…

CakeWalked
CakeWalked
3 months ago

If AI is the collected ‘wisdom’ of the internet, I’d be inclined to half-jokingly make the case that an EA with AI isnt cheating with anyone, its cheating with everyone!

Here’s the thing-if one is seeking validation, AI is a great place to go. I’ve put in hypothetically bad behavior, and it wouldn’t call it out…it just made suggestions about other options to consider that might be more productive. It wouldnt flat out say “you’re an asshole.”

Look. There’s all kinds of cheating if you consider the definition putting yourself or outside influences above what you promised your spouse. That can be AI, in-laws, alcohol, etc. If one spouse’s outside influences are degrading the quality of the other spouse’s life, its time to LACGAL, IMHO (but yes, it did take me forever to actually do it).

GerMitch
GerMitch
3 months ago

I have to disagree with most of this article’s premise. I agree that AI cheating is “just as stupid” as analog cheating, absolutely, but it is not “just as bad” for the reasons given. This argument validates the exact defense my wife used when she attempted to reject the concept of an emotional affair in defense of her “not just friends” partner. She compared her eagerness to chat with them every morning and through the night with her eagerness for a cup of coffee in the morning, or not wanting to put down a mobile game for the night until her “energy” was used up, and mocked the gravity of the betrayal by saying she was going to go “have an affair with” a mobile game when she picked up her phone.

I pointed out then, as I would now, that the fundamental difference is the reciprocal personal connection, shared emotional investment, and sexual chemistry with another human being. I would argue none of those legitimately exists with a chatbot session, which *does* roughly equate to something like playing too many video games, despite being slightly more interactive in some ways. Yes, a person can throw themselves into hobbies to the detriment of their relationship, but that doesn’t constitute “cheating” in the same way. Coffee and single-player games don’t text you back, develop inside jokes, or create a secret, shared world that supplants your primary partnership, and neither does an AI–it only reflects the energy you put into it, not at all unlike building your character in some other single-player computer games.

And for the fantasy part, I’ve had to come to terms with the expert consensus that it’s considered natural and healthy for people, particularly women, to fantasize as a condition of arousal. Even if it’s primarily about other people, as long as it remains strictly an internal fantasy, to condemn it is seen as excessively insecure and unrealistic. Therefore, equating a fantasy romance with a chatbot to actual cheating is akin to being jealous of a character in a romance novel. I understand the insecurity and squeamishness over a partner imagining you’re someone else, but it remains far more innocent than any actual infidelity with a person who has agency. And at best a chatbot simulates agency, but any fantasy is entirely supplied by the person using it. It’s no more “cheating” (or less, of course) than using a vibrator.

Now it *is* very stupid and weird to sincerely believe that the chatbot loves you or that you’re going to marry it, but again I’d argue that falls in the same stupid and weird zone as it would to believe you’re “married to” the protagonist of a romance novel. If a person left their spouse for a fictional character, it would be a sign of a profound break from reality and an incompatibility with human relationships, but it wouldn’t be “cheating.” It would be a tragedy, but a different one; more of a mental health crisis than an infidelity, and about the same as leaving them due to being in love with a toaster. The core of betrayal lies in the secret, reciprocal connection with another conscious human being, and that is a distinction that must not be blurred.

BahToLimerance
BahToLimerance
5 days ago
Reply to  GerMitch

No STDs!

Conchobara
Conchobara
3 months ago

Recently, FW sent me a screencap of something for our daughter, and one of the tabs open on his computer was for an AI chatbot girlfriend. OF COURSE he’s cheating on the child mistress with an AI “girlfriend”. He cheated on me with almost exclusively paid APs (sugar baby, OFs, professionals, etc.). Unsurprisingly, he’s gone with the even lazier option while he’s living with the child mistress. It just makes me laugh.

I wonder if she still thinks she “won”. Hahahaha

Caldo
Caldo
2 months ago

My main thought about this, is that these AI “personalities” are literally just algorithms trained to mirror back to the user whatever they want. No demands, no work, no effort, just whatever the narc wants to hear. So of COURSE they fall “in love” with them – it’s just themself without any actual needs (and we all know what a narc loves most).

Creepy mfs.

BahToLimerance
BahToLimerance
5 days ago

You can buy and program your own AI girlfriend / boyfriend for around $100. Much cheaper than IRL APs! #narcssavemoney #splittheassets