Are the Epstein Files Making Sexual Entitlement Uncool?

With the latest dump of Epstein files, I’m wondering if we’re ever going to have a global reckoning about secret sexual basements. The Ashley Madison hack looks positively quaint in comparison to a billionaire pedo ring.
I know that’s like comparing apples to rotten bananas. Ashley Madison is so downmarket, yet also consensual (except to the chumps). If you’re a global elite, you don’t need a dating app to hook up, you just need a well-connected sociopath to fly you to his personal island and introduce you to some trafficked masseuses.
But when the Ashley Madison hack was exposed, I publicly argued that finally the world is seeing what I see on this blog — that double lives are a lifestyle choice for many. Serial cheating is the NORM, not the exception. There is a segment of the population who have a secret sexual basements and the doors are shut for a reason — they want them closed. Because the whole set up is an abuse of power.
What are you guys making of the Epstein files?
I have so many swirling thoughts. Like, are we all so cynical as to be a big whatever about a global ring of child diddlers? (I’m choosing my words carefully given the Google censorship challenges I’m having lately.) I’m actually heartened by the outrage. Like, we can all agree these people SUCK and must be held to account, right? Whatever their political bent, however much humanitarian aid they gave or causes they support, they need to go to jail.
Here’s where I hope our thinking goes next:
Creepy old dude with young thing on his arm is CREEPY.
Full stop. Not enviable. Not a status symbol. But a shady loser caught in some grainy photo Kompromat. I think harems need to be a bad look.
We need to stop glamorizing sexual entitlement.
Where’s Esther Perel with her exuberant acts of defiance and quests for aliveness now? It seems we are always asked to understand that FWs have needs. And we all failed to enchant. And ethics get fuzzy when nether regions throb, because you aren’t the boss of them.
Have we found the line yet? A gazillion oligarchs and wannabes were off having exuberant quests for aliveness with Jeffery Epstein. Being super special and fabulous at the expense of others — tax payers, shareholders, their spouses, and most of all the victims of their pervy whims.
The women who left these dipsh*ts are mighty.
Let’s begin with disco-shirted dildo-head, Jeff Bezos. (He was just at dinners with Epstein so far as we know.) Mackenzie Scott, his chumped ex, has given away over 19 billion of her fortune to charities. Way to lose the loser, Mackenzie. And Melinda Gates who allegedly left Bill Gates over his infidelities and ties to Epstein. In the latest document dump, Epstein says Bill Gates got an STI from a tryst and tried to put antibiotics in Melinda’s food. (He denies it.)
The New York Post quotes the U.S. Justice Department document dump:
“During the past few weeks I have been caught up in a severe marital dispute between Melinda and Bill,” Epstein wrote in Nikolic’s voice on July 18, 2013.
“… In my role as his right hand I had been asked on mulitple occassion [sic] and in hindsight, wrongly acquiesced into participating in things that have ranged from the morally inappropriate, to the ethically unsound and had been repeatedly asked to do other things that get near and potentially over the line into the illegal,” Epstein continued.
“… From helping Bill to get drugs, in order to deal with consequences of sex with russian girls, to facilictating [sic] his illicit trysts, with married women, to being asked to provide adderall [for] bridge [tournaments] . I feel I owe it to my friends and futre [sic] colleagues to admit a moral failure , to ask forgiveness and to move on with my life.”
How dweeby do you have to be to need a chemical edge to win at bridge? Your opponent is at least 80. Melinda, you are so much better off than this loser.
Trump is named more than 3,000 times in the files.
And that’s after the redactions and the stonewalling. Allegations, hoax, Bill Clinton, yada yada. (Lock him up too.) I said in 2016 this country was in an abusive relationship with Trump. We all know it only gets worse the longer you stay.
Could we all just break up with these freaks and finally hold them to account? Thank you.

I spent 25 years as a State Child Protective Caseworker and helped to put dozens of pervs behind bars, where they belonged. It doesn’t take a trained expert to assess that Trump, the pussy grabber, is a pedo. He’s been showing us for years. The pics of him with young Invanka are puke-worthy.
💯 %. His cult knew. They just didn’t care. I’d even venture to say it’s considered a feature in some cases rather than a bug. I can’t prove it, but it’s arguable that some of them like that he gets away with doing terrible things and vicariously live their own dreams of unlimited power to hurt vulnerable people through him.
Every guy who raped someone too drunk to consent in college would feel relieved that someone like Epstein gets away with it.
Whoa. This rang true to me! I like your thinking, OHFFS.😁👍
All of it is so disgusting. these people in charge of so much, acting as if they care about anything other than themselves. It’s so much worse than we can even imagine. Careful Tracy, you’ll have a knock on your door shortly….
The Bill Gates story in particular reminds me of how many men, even those who considered themselves “liberals”, used to defend and normalize the sexual exploitation of young women (“girls”) from poor/underprivileged countries. I don’t think many of them were bothered by the fact that some of these women may have only done this in order to support their starving families (while absolutely hating it) or were even coerced into their “service”, I assume (either by their families/spouses or by outside p*mps).
…or Sold by their families, or Kidnapped, or Tricked thinking that they were taking a real job, and not going into prostitution slavery, etc. And I think that you put the wrong words in quotes…I would put the “Young women” in quotes, as they actually are (underage) girls.
I’m not sure Bill Gates in particular has been accused of having sex with underage girls. However, there seem to be allegations about multiple affairs with women, including references to “Russian girls” (which I think means adult women here, but even that would be gross, especially since they may have been much more financially vulnerable than women from wealthier countries).
I may be mistaken about this, though (which would be even worse). However, I believe it’s not uncommon for misogynistic creeps to refer to adult women as “girls”, too (especially if they are targeting them for sex).
There’s evidence the “Russian girls” in question were underage since that was part of the file dump. Also it happened to be Epstein’s specialty.
Revelations about how Epstein inserted himself as a gatekeeper and intermediary for international finance, arts funding, publishing, politics, weapons sales and philanthropy can make the case that not everyone associated with Epstein was motivated by procuring sex. But for those who did, it’s not a stretch to suspect they may have been pedophiles.
Bill Gates reminds me of my XhC who went to his urologist after his wanderings and apparently got a clean bill of health. On Dday he told me that my 2 years worth of STIs was Not from him! And on 2nd thought, if Bill Gates was trying to add antibiotics to Melinda’s food, he could have attempted to put other things there too..As chumps have found out while in ICU or never found out. Hats off to the Melinda’s and MacKenzies in our rooms who did not fall asleep in a daze while their partners partied them into disease, financial ruin or Accepting the unacceptable. Bravo to you…by NOT
Accepting apologies as fact and looking the other way. Is our country overwhelmed and in a drunken stupor over TMI? Or perhaps we are in the fetal position frozen in place. I pray that is not the case. Surely we have brave men and woman left.
Good point about other drugs. Could even have been a Pelicot type situation for all we know.
Some of us have most certainly broken up with these freaks, including divorcing them.
But alas, they go on doing what they do because they can. And given enough money and power, they get away with it.
My ex effectively got away with it in some ways. I got what was considered a fair, decent settlement in legal terms from him, and I recovered, financially and emotionally. But he should have gone to jail and more and didn’t. My ex dropped out of sight, thankfully.
But a certain amount of injustice remains, and I’m not sure that the players that were on my ex’s side would handle anything differently if it all went down now. But they showed their colors, and that was that. I’m in a far better place without them.
How many more ruined lives of women and children? I struggle to understand why the “pro-life” folks who vote for this bunch are making excuses for them now. Abortion must be banned at all cost because all (pre-born) life is precious, they say. But once they are born, all bets are off?
My FW finally got escorted to prison but he was on the street for YEARS before anything was done. His (and his family’s) position that it was no big deal and he was paying an unfair price for being an offending pedophile (sex workers and kiddie pix) They blamed me for turning him in …. It’s all over the internet, what’s the big deal? Just a small family matter, I was told.
Sadly, I haven’t gotten much traction by telling my story to people who could have influence to make change. The system is broken, they say. Call xxx (government officials) and tell your story…crickets. Contact the press, Center for Missing and Exploited children, the FBI. All done to no effect.
My FW is cooling in prison for a few years, but at some point he and his like minded kind will be back on the street.
Probably fishing for chumps and victims again. And the obvious fact that the highest levels of our federal government condones this doesn’t give me cause for hope.
“I struggle to understand why the “pro-life” folks who vote for this bunch are making excuses for them now.”
In the case of my family members who are full on MAGA or MAGA adjacent, they make excuses because they have been groomed by right wing media for two plus decades to not believe their lying eyes (thanks R. Pryor). Everything negative about MAGA is a libtard lie and plot to smear decent people like Trump and co. Except for the parts about Bill Clinton, it’s all made up Even HIllary Clinton is complicit, as she has a pedophile ring housed in the basement of a pizza parlor that doesn’t actually have a basement. I cannot stress enough the influence of their “news” choices in the way they think and perceive the world. I have two older relatives with chronic and somewhat serious health conditions who are now refusing vaccines. It not only makes me sad, it scares me. And I (cynically or realistically?) believe there’s no goin back to sanity and common sense.
I so wish the Epstein files could be a turning point, but I have little confidence they will be. What I think likely is that a line will be drawn with children and young teens, and the drawing of that line will enable cheaters and other skeevy pervs to cast themselves as ethical, their behavior cast as “sex positive” in the same way prostitution is defended as a choice “empowering women,” with only forced trafficking seen as wrong.
The Epstein case first broke into the open in 2006, and really blew up in 2019, and yet Trump, his “best friend,” was elected anyway. After which Trump set about nominating a whole raft of cheaters and pervs–Hegseth being my favorite (hated) example.
I agree with you on the likely outcome of this. Your whole first paragraph, I think you are correct. And I know some men who do see prostitution as empowering women. And the same with porn. That women who enter the porn industry are empowered and strong “young ladies” who know what they want.
The perviness of Orange has been in plain sight for *years*. From his statement that he would date *his own daughter* if she weren’t his, to his open association with Epstein and his comment about the “great guy, who loves women, some on the younger side” to walking into the dressing rooms of pageant hopefuls, to the grab them by the p**sy comments — all there. If you want to dig only a little deeper, a detailed and credible (if withdrawn under pressure) accusation of r**e from a girl who was 13-14 at the time. And that is just the stuff that is *visible*. So why any of this comes as a surprise, and is now so politically toxic, is beyond me.
Yes, I’ve seen the court filing on that last one–he and Epstein together, according to the document. But because there has been no big news story about that, I’ve wondered if that court filing is a fake. Not that what it accuses him of is not right up his alley: there has been reporting about Trump coming by and ogling a woman who was in the office with Epstein, and Epstein saying “she’s not for you.”
Epstein can’t write a complete sentence, yet he was controlling dozens of powerful men (and some women — Fergie, Elisa New, etc.)?!?! He’s a clear idiot who has all of these people manipulated because of — their shared perversions? I mean, is that it?!
As usual, because I have zero acquaintance with this kind of behavior, I have a hard time understanding it. Why would you befriend someone who is not only utterly amoral but also stupid?!? I guess sex trafficking is the only commonality they need?
From what I understand, part of the reasons chimps don’t have the ability to talk isn’t just that their brains are smaller than human brains. Apparently it’s more of a real estate issue since the metabolic energy that fuels human language ability is channeled into other faculties in chimps, including a sense of smell that’s superior to humans’, a super-powered immune system that’s less susceptible to raw meat and unwashed plants and also chimps’ rather telepathic predatory instincts.
I’ve heard natural scientists argue that, even if an unarmed but professionally trained ultimate fighter were to encounter a rampaging male chimp in the wild, the chimp would win hands down not only due to greater physical strength (another price humans have paid for our high-powered brains) but due to chimps’ uncanny ability to predict what prey and opponents will do next.
The idea is that humans still retain those primal predatory instincts in latent form but these are just “underfunded” due to channeling energy into higher human faculties. So according the the “expensive tissue” theory, shutting down certain especially energy-burning faculties in humans would leave a surplus of metabolic energy to turbo-boost other faculties, including latent ones.
The above is used to explain why it’s mostly visually-impaired people who develop perfect pitch. But I also think it explains why people whose empathy has been impaired along with other higher human functions might end up with turbo-boosted predatory intelligence. I think Epstein was a predatory “genius” even if he was an idiot in many other respects.
I read somehwere that he was either a KGB or a Mossad agent, employed to extort powerful people. Have no
idea of this is true.
I doubt he was an official agent, maybe more a wannabe who liked cosplaying spy boy and got off on proximity to subaltern operatives. He very likely used those connections to terrorize the girls he trafficked.
I suspect this because I worked in media which was once lousy with mafia backers. In NY, you’d see these geeky producers and agents who thought they were badass because they rubbed elbows with gangsters and then you’d see the gangsters at industry parties all puffed up to be rubbing elbows with media people.
It was one big circle jerk. When I worked in LA, the only difference is that every dorky little honcho bragged about “former Mossad” or “ex Serbian military” connections instead of mob ties.
There is at least one somewhat famous financial fraudster who is also believed to be an actual Russian spy (Jan Marsalek from the former German company Wirecard). So I don’t think it is entirely unlikely that Epstein had been formally recruited, too. On the other hand, maybe he was too dumb to be considered for such a role.
All I know about that world is second hand (news and novels) but some second hand sources read truer than others. James Ellroy’s depiction of the Hoover-era FBI and CIA in his Underworld USA trilogy always rang a bit true to me even if it was heavily fictionalized. He does some creative speculations on the scheme to @ssassinate Kennedy which includes a lot of wannabes and hangers-on employed as useful idiots. There are also hints that the CIA was easily able to draft pedophiles and other scum like David Ferrie because these types would do anything in trade for legal impunity for their heinous crimes.
I think it is possible he was really all of the above: A sex trafficker for a wealthy clientele, a world-class blackmailer, a financial fraudster and maybe even a foreign agent (for financial gain). I think he was clearly a p*do himself and entirely without morals (a tautology, I guess) and incredibly mercenary. He might have done anything that might have allowed him to prey on (even more) underage girls.
He also had a lot money (although it seems a little bit unclear how he got it) and used it strategically. Apparently, he even supported people like Fergie financially. He also seemed to know a lot of famous/wealthy people many others from the same circles probably wanted to hang out with. And I believe too many people at those levels of society only take their cues about who is okay to socialize with from others instead of using their own judgement (and having ethical standards).
I think it’s crystal clear how he got the money.
He got a job at the prestigious Dalton School in Manhattan to teach physics — when he was 21 and had NO degree. How convenient for a pedophile. With no experience, he became the sole financial advisor to Lex Wexner, owner of The Limited. Wexner could have had the best hedge fund manager in the world, but he chose … Epstein? Who has barely worked at all, anywhere? Millionaires signed their homes over to this guy.
He was a blackmailer and a spy and a money launderer, and of course a sex trafficker.
I always thought that was the takeaway of Talented Mr. Ripley: that empty vessels without souls or baseline character excel at mirroring.
So much about his résumé makes no sense at all, unless he was a pimp extraordinaire who extorted money and jobs from the rich and powerful. Once he’s got a foot in the door of those circles he was able to expand his racket and ensnare more and more pervs into his web.
As far as I know, there are also allegations that he was deeply involved in a Ponzi scheme in the late 1980s/early 1990s (Towers Financial Corporation). Some people seem to believe that this may have been one of the sources of his wealth. I guess it’s possible that he used stolen funds to pursue his creepy goals (while, of course, deepening his ties with people he could later blackmail for even more money).
I honestly think that JE was a charlatan similar to Anna Delvey, but he was careful to get blackmail info on the people he swindled. If you pretend hard enough to be part of that crowd, they will accept you. And once you have money (from fraud) and power (due to blackmail) you can buy an island and keep getting more dirt on the people in power.
Idk if I read this somewhere or if it my original thought, but it’s possible that Epstein was Kremlin backed for the express purposes of obtaining kompromat. There’s more that one way to refuse to concede a cold war.
There’s something in the files that suggests he was a Mossad agent.
PS – remember when everyone thought the kompromat was Trump in a Russian hotel room peeing on hookers? Ah the good old days…
Yes, apparently he was extensively videotaping everybody on his properties. Maybe on some of them he had dirt that wasn’t even related to his own crimes.
I stand up and applaud you, Tracy for your words today (and every day). 👏👏👏
It’s sickening to me that the so-called “Christian” Nationalist spaces, or their adjacent churches, have too many entitled men with secret s. basements – cheaters, abusers, perverts and pedophiles – among them. Men who face little to no consequences. But it’s the victims who speak up who get excommunicated or put under “church discipline”. They get thrown under the bus which just keeps rumbling along in service of the uber wealthy Sickos at the very top. (Sons of Patriarchy and Bodies Behind the Bus podcasts deserve a shout-out for calling attention to this, too.)
I, too, want to know when we will have finally crossed a line with our leaders as Americans, and as people who claim to be Christians. It should have been yesterday (metaphorically speaking). 😠
All of this. It has made me automatically suspicious of people from any religion that is male dominated, anti-LGBT, anti-choice, etcetera.
Apparently the same stuff goes on in the Mormon church, for example. I think in many cases religion is used as a mask for perversion and moral corruption in general.
Yes! I think you’re quite right that religion gets used as a mask.
I believe it was Bill Maher who said something about the Catholic Church in a similar vein: a powerful institution run by men where women have no real leadership roles or influence. What could go wrong? (not a direct quote, but that was the gist).
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All these entitled jerks are serial cheaters, has anyone outside of CN noticed?
The personal and the political aren’t entirely separate as some like to believe/promote. The blameshifting, word salad, secret activities skills of a FW betraying a spouse is easily transferred to other areas of a FW’s life.
We now have a grandiose narcissist cheater who’s known to have pulled out ex wife’s hair while r**ping her, using the FW handbook and gaslighting an entire country.
The Epstein files are sickening and provide a glimpse into the secret sexual basements of too many people with wealth and, therefore power, most of whom are men. I’m not one to be counted amongst the faithful, but there isn’t a hell hot enough for this cabal.
Here’s my concern with the overall issue:
We know that djt is a malignant narcissist. We also know that with narcissists, almost every accusation is an admission. All the talk and accusations as he campaigned (for 2016 and 2024) about the deep state, pedo rings, election tampering, questionable financial dealings are giant flaming dumpster fires of his, and his henchmen’s activities.
Think about the state of the nation right now:
The official response to Alex Pretti’s murder was that he was an “agitator” and that he intended to harm (massacre, to be precise) officers. NO. The border patrol agents were the agitators, showed reckless behaviour and are pursuing a mandate of state sanctioned violence. Broadly, demonstrators are being accused of “hating America” and acting lawlessly. But, anyone not caught in the Faux news bubble or who isn’t on board with the real mission being put into action (looking at you Steven), can see a very different story.
I understand that guilt is not proven by association. But I can’t help but think that the connections no longer look like a spider web and, instead, look like a tightly woven bolt of heavy, impermeable fabric.
Like I said, there isn’t a hell hot enough. And, I hope they go in balls first, as a matter of fact.
SK Typhoon
PS. As a Canadian, I take djt’s accusations that “Canada has been really nasty to the United States” as a badge of honour.
Canada has been absolutely heroic in resisting that a$$hole. The boycott has destroyed the American liquor and wine industry, for example. It sucks that people have to lose jobs, but a boycott is still the right move and those job losses are the 🍊’s fault.
And they’re boycotting tourism in warm weather states. Yes, Canada! 🇨🇦
Awhile ago I read that when Canadians find American-produced canned goods in grocery stores, they turn the can upside down so that everyone knows to buy a different Canadian brand.
If you want to feel better, watch a Jimmy Kimmel or Stephen Colbert monologue on YouTube and then read the comments. People all over the world post ‘stay strong’ messages and it helps me sleep better.
And in other good news, Springsteen’s “Streets of Minneapolis” is #1 in the US and 18 other countries.
When I learned that every accusation from my ex (also a narcissist) was an admission, it really changed my world view. I mostly try to avoid the news, but when I hear a quote from DJT (or most other politicians), I hear a lot of awful admissions.
I’ve seen a few people use the word “projection” recently. It needs to be out there because it explains how he sows chaos.
Actually I don’t think this is a matter of comparing apples to rotten bananas because, from my time as an advocate for DV survivors, I’m convinced that domestic violence and coercive control are, underneath all the rationalizations and spin, largely about the enforcement of one-sided monogamy which itself is a factor in protracted r@pe.
In other words, I think there’s a strong case to be made that garden variety cheaters are a variety of r@pist so the analogy is really between rotten apples and possibly more rotten apples.
But because domestic abusers tend to mask their motives the better to cause learned helplessness in victims (instrumental conditioning to cause learned helplessness only works if animal subjects subjected to the shock box don’t know why they’re being shocked) it’s kind of a long argument to make the case that, even in situations where cheaters seem to have lost all interest in their primary partners, it’s still about sexual control of the partner.
Like some scientist whose name I forget put it, “Facts tend to cluster around a good theory” and I know from experience that anyone who does a deep dive into the psychology and tactics used by typical domestic abusers will discover that the facts all line up elegantly with the idea that domestic abuse is protracted rape and cheating is part and parcel with domestic abuse.
Of course in an age in which science has replaced the church in terms of its influential power and in which scientific theory literally often grounds laws and policies, not just public opinion, we would need the large scale studies to prove the correlation between DV and cheating, cheating and pedophilia, cheating and rape and cheating and domestic murder.
The idea that virtually all abusers are sexually controlling and virtually all abusers also cheat are things that front lines advocates have known for a long time with or without the science. But the more life and death an issue is, the more controversial it is and the more blowback it’s going to draw, the more you need science to make the case these days. Though precisely because science is the new power base, perpetrators of every stripe would prefer to reserve use of it to control the narrative so it’s going to be like pulling teeth to get studies like this funded.
To me that’s one glaring way in which the Epstein file dump is relevant to “cheating”: because the reason the studies don’t exist yet correlating cheating with abuse and sexual abuse may be that, as it turns out, most of the world’s biggest grant funders are either abusers themselves or financially and personally enmeshed with pervs.
Not that victims necessarily need science to make equivocations and say that being betrayed feels like r@pe. One easy way to equivocate cheating to r@pe without really requiring hard data to back it up is that, in the case that cheaters are continuing to have sex with primary partners who might otherwise refuse if they knew what cheaters were up to, this can logically fall under the heading of “r@pe by deception” which, whether or not it’s legislatable in all forms, is a topic of continued serious debate by ethicists and legal authorities.
But I think the equivocation goes beyond r@pe by deception and, to the degree that a correlation between abuse, r@pe and cheating could potentially impact divorce law and custody not to mention criminal law, science is required to clarify. In the meantime, evidence backing up the “hypothesis” that cheating equates to r@pe and battery and also higher rates of child sexual abuse can be cobbled together piecemeal style through tangentially related research.
There’s at least enough evidence to argue that more research is needed. Like the fact that, from the time we were swinging from trees, coercive control was employed to ensure one-sided sexual compliance from the victim not just “now” but “down the line” at whatever later date the perpetrator wished and just in case they did. (at 2:33: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hj5QAIjDulQ).
Wrangham is explicitly claiming that coercive control is in service to protracted rape as well as other enforced services among humans as it has always been with chimps and, presumably, with our ape ancestors. But because our closest ape cousins (and therefore presumably our ape ancestors) don’t practice monogamy and both genders tend to be sexually unselective, it could seem like a stretch to argue that human coercive control is motivated by one-sided enforcement of monogamy.
How can something be about monogamy if the tactic preceded monogamy in a species’ evolution? Easily in the sense of dominant chimp males often using coercion or violence to prevent a particular sexual target from mating with other males and vice-versa, at least temporarily. All this says is that, if humans evolved to be more monogamous than chimps or at least to prefer that mates be monogamous, the motive to prevent “straying” in partners might be that much more intense. Wrangham has even theorized that this motive is so powerful in humans that it fueled the very difficult leap to language to the extent that gossip can be used to keep sexual tabs on mates.
Then there’s the fact that about 66% of child sexual offenders were married for at least parts of their offending careers. Though the offense of child rape is obviously far darker than cheating, the point is that they seem to often go hand in hand since, as minimizing as it sounds, child rape by a partnered rapist is technically extra-dyadic sex. Furthermore, rape by deception (or worse) is built in since most normal people would refuse to have sex with a partner they knew was a violent pedophile. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277539516000443
Another piecemeal bit of evidence that cheating and abuse go hand in hand is the fact that battered women have significantly higher rates of infection with STIs and HIV. Even if researchers try to downplay the factor of perpetrators having multiple partners and instead awkwardly narrow the focus on how abuse robs women of the agency to use condoms in marriage, it’s a bit of a no-brainer that infidelity– overwhelmingly by perpetrators– is a driving factor in infections: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3856434/#:~:text=This%20analysis%20adds%20to%20the%20growing%20body,its%20impact%20on%20risk%20for%20STI%20acquisition.
Then there’s the fact that at least one small scale study found a direct correlation between DV and adultery, though again the focus is awkwardly narrow, in this case assuming abuse only involves physical assault. Also perpetrators– who, for the purposes of the study, are known to be habitual liars since, as cheaters, they were known to be at least initially concealing affairs– are taken at their word that their main motive for violence is to prevent wives from disrupting men’s freedom to cheat. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3583221/
But if authors of the above study had asked wives certain questions, they might have discovered the many ways in which cheating male study subjects controlled their wives social behavior and independence or ways these men responded to perceptions or threats of being cuckolded.
But, in their study design, authors were pretty clear about the bias that would prevent them from asking victimized study subjects more pointed questions regarding histories of coercive control, social isolation, marital rape, etc. Authors state in the abstract that that they set out to prove that the traditional assumption that male sexual jealousy drives domestic violence is wrong and that it may actually be partly (or even mostly?) driven by female jealousy.
All the same, the real takeaway of the latter study is the correlation because it’s there to be seen if anyone has the inclination or guts to look. But that’s another takeaway from the Epstein scandal: look what happens to people when what they know and can prove threatens to expose the sexual basements of powerful people to scrutiny. Anyway, none of us should hold our breath waiting for these studies to be performed, at least not in the current political climate. But I think we all know what they’d prove.
As much as I would like to believe it, I highly doubt there is going to be much justice for the victims at all. How many out there braying for the release of these files (and I’m not saying they should not have been released) ACTUALLY care about the victims more than they care about the political leverage they think this will bring? Being a pervert isn’t political; anyone can be one and both sides are completely hypocritical about it. Bill Clinton has been a sexual predator for decades and he had an intern blowing him in the Oval Office. Everyone on the left who are clutching their pearls over Trump were perfectly willing to overlook Clinton’s misdeeds as long as he was willing to further their own political agendas. They keep saying, “If the fact that Trump’s an adjudicated rapist isn’t a dealbreaker for you…blah, blah, blah.” Well, they didn’t think it was such a dealbreaker in 1992. Or 1996. Or in 2016 when they voted for the woman who built her career while enabling him. Kamala knew Doug Emhoff’s character when she married him; she just didn’t care. On the MAGA side, everyone who kept saying that character mattered back in the 90s, suddenly decided that maybe it doesn’t matter quite so much now that they’re in the power seat, and now we an administration filled with the most grotesque collection of predatory degenerates and serial cheaters. It’s not politics that makes people evil predators, it’s entitlement and a belief that their money and power will insulate them from accountability. For everyone on social media saying, “release the files,” how many care about the victims MORE than they care having a continuous stream of titillating news about people they’ve never met, but really want to hate?
I completely agree with you. 100 percent. It seems too many are more interested in what these men did and got away with than in the safety and justice for these girls/women.
This release will not do anything to change sexual entitlement.
Just a minute. I don’t think the betrayed spouse is to blame. And was she supposed to stop building her career because of his behavior? I don’t get it.
Yeah, I think that was just whataboutism. The situations aren’t remotely comparable so it’s a dead in the water argument.
I agree on that point. I don’t blame the betrayed spouse either.
Of course she’s not supposed to stop building her own career. But could she have built it without staying married to a sexual predator? Accusations about his behavior go back almost 50 years. I’m highly skeptical that she was clueless. If I discovered that my husband had a history of assaulting women and there was a mountain of evidence to support it, I would not be sticking around. She’s not someone without means and she’s not trapped in her marriage. She had something to gain by staying with him. This op-ed from The Guardian is a pretty intellectually honest analysis.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/aug/27/bill-clinton-allegations-democratic-national-convention
Beyond Epstein, here are more cases involving powerful men. These men don’t operate alone; there are a lot of complicit friends and staff who are complicit. All of this is proof as to why girls and women don’t want to testify – what’s the point when there won’t be justice?
Very very long list . P Diddy is free. And so on.
I think a lot of the public, myself included, care about the victims. I don’t think the push to release the files is purely political cynicism. But a disgust at these disgusting, entitled freaks who think they are above the law.
When you think you have seen everything, even after having been married to major entitled sparkledick, a guy like Bill Gates comes along and tries to sneak antibiotics for STDs in Melinda’s food. Of course he did it for the wrong reasons. Melinda would find out about the STDs and divorce is expensive even for Bill.
People knew the 🍊 was adjudicated as a *apist in 2019. There was also someone who sued him for *aping her when she was 13, then dropped the suit because of death threats. There are credible accusations from over two dozen women of SA and s*xual misconduct, supported by his own *ussy grabbing admissions and bragging about barging in on naked pageant contestants, some of who were underage. None of it gave his supporters pause. So we know that a shockingly large number of people will gladly support a sex offender just because he does something that they think is in their interest. As with a FW and FW enablers, if you do horrible things or support people who do horrible things you will naturally be considerable a horrible person.
The orange one certainly isn’t the only one to blame here, far from it, but he is so extreme, so vile, that even Epstein said he was the worst person he had ever met.
No wonder there is so much sexual entitlement when these offenders keep getting away with it. 98% are never held accountable. We know for a fact that lots of people not only don’t care, but the fact that someone is an offender doesn’t even stop them from admiring that person. So yeah, of course FWs also think they should get away with it.
It’s pretty easy for people to get outraged about underaged girls. I admire every Epstein victim who speaks out but let’s face it, people can’t visualize the pedophilia part when they see a now-grown women. Perhaps victims need to be interviewed with their 12-year-old photos taped over their faces? E Jean Carroll was preemptively brilliant in showing photos of herself when she was younger because she knew that Trump would claim “I would never sleep with her” (which he did).
Enter exhibit A, Steve Tisch, co-owner of the New York Giants. His name was in the files so he released this statement:
“We had a brief association where we exchanged emails about adult women, and in addition, we discussed movies, philanthropy and investments,” Tisch said in a statement provided by the NFL team. “I did not take him up on any of his invitations and never went to his island. As we all know now, he was a terrible person and someone I deeply regret associating with.”
How many millions of people will disregard Tisch because if they become aware of it he exchanged emails about ADULT WOMEN, so it’s okay.
This is the first Epstein email I saw about Tisch:
“In a different email, Epstein followed up with Tisch after he’d connected with one of the women: “report just in, you did very well, she wants to go to the play, she is a little freaked by the age difference but go slow … i will try to convince her not to return to Ukraine. having her crying worked.”
Tisch responded: “Nice report … Funny comment on crying!!!”
The victim is from Ukraine, she was freaked out by the age difference, and both men thought it was just great that “having her crying worked”. Boys will be boys! It’s just locker room talk! WTF.
I really hope people will start paying attention. This goes well beyond politics. It always has.
PS. Don’t even get me started on Howard Lutnick . . .
N*tlick is such a hypocrite, blathering away about how he hated Epstein, was disgusted by him and wouldn’t have anything to do with him. He actually brought his own kids to the Island, FFS. Incredible!
I personally do not believe the treading of the files will change much of anything. We still have a huge segment of society that is ok with sexual entitlement.
I know of men who feel like that men in power will have others throwing themselves at them so they can’t help but take advantage of that.
And at least one is quite jealous of these men who can have what they want when they want with who they want.
I wanted to say releasing if the files.
The pictures from Epstein’s NJ manor and from the island are extremely disturbing.
The feeling I’m left with after looking at them, is very similar to the feeling of watching The Shining.
Kubrick was a master of visual motif/multi layered readings and the metaphorical.
There is one theory about the film (which I agree with) that the Overlook Hotel is a place that is manifesting the trauma and abuse of power (ie literally the horror) perpetrated by Jack over his son Danny, including S abuse.
The warped discombobulation of space, the mirror scenes, a magazine that Jack is holding (referencing SA on its cover), the man in the bear suit scene, all lend themselves to visually support this disquieting, horrifying interpretation.
And then the Epstein visuals: a picture of Epstein with a child’s feet and legs protruding from a cushion in the far left of frame; a close up of a figurine of red riding hood being attacked by the wolf, her skirts hitched up; a dental chair with numerous masks of anon men hanging on the wall behind it; a pasty, balding Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor crouched over the figure of a young woman/girl. She is either actually inert or pretending to be, a pair of men’s legs and feet propped up in a state of relaxation in the background; passages from the novel Lolita written out on a woman/or girl’s limbs.
It is so disturbing and Kubrickian to me. And Kubrick was deliberately crafting a mise en scene (sic) of horror.
Epstein’s universe was an IRL world of horror and dysfunction. It was evil and I think the broader public are seeing and feeling it – on some gut, visceral level.
I am so repulsed that I want to vomit. These creepy criminals belong in jail, they are jimmy saville, weiner and gary glitter all in one.
May they rot in hell forever. SCUMBAGS.
All the money and titles plus power in the world wont get rid of that fetid stench. The sickness of them and their corpsed souls with dead eyes and wandering hands is worse than sewage pond scum.
All of that money must go to ensure their victims get all the help and support they need.
“Serial cheating is the norm, not the exception”. This really reframes CL for me. I too have so many swirling thoughts about Epstein’s circle. It’s so much to take in. These revelations are the other shoe dropping from what is described in Chump Lady’s 2016 post, America, You Are In An Abusive Relationship. I find the behavior of these men monstrous. It’s D-Day for all of us. I hope every single one of them pays and every victim gets justice. And that every enabler and each person who turned a blind eye get their just deserts as well. Those poor girls.
Each chump is forced, once confronted by betrayal, to re-calculate how much trust they should accord to the world. The big questions boil down to “how much?” and “who?”. The scope of the Epstein affair and the high status of the participants destroys trust a brutal second time.
As Mark Carney recently said, this is a rupture, for good or ill.
The scary thing as well is that people do not have to be billionaires to be disturbed scumbags, they are all over the socio-economic spectrum. Your statement about questioning “how much” and “who” reflects the most severe trauma that a Chump must deal with post D-day. I read in these comments from time to time about Chumps finding new, wonderful partners and it’s a miracle to me. Where do you find them? How did you determine you can trust them? It’s amazing.
PS – thanks for spelling “just deserts” correctly!
Given everything else that has been going on lately I am desensitized. And frankly? I feel like a lot of the recent drops, from a strategic standpoint, are the ones that they should have opened with. I kind of figured that Trump was going to flag a (I can’t even come up with something clever to compare it to) large amount. I will withhold any further political commentary on that individual in this space.
Bill Gates? Not shocking, either. I had a great conversation with a friend about how the naming rights on all of the university buildings he donated will almost have to shift (we have gotten permissive as a culture with sexual entitlement as the current article reminds us-but this particular traitor spiked his wife’s food with STI treatments so he wouldn’t be caught. I feel like billionaires would have more clever ways to do that, but that’s just me.) I very much imagine MIT will need to distance themselves from THAT behavior if nothin else.
I saw as I was heading to bed last night that both JK Rowling and Moot(founder of 4chan) also flagged. I was already philosophically divorced from both of those individuals when I found out. I live in this world as a Chump-I have gotten far too used to being disappointed by the people that gave me some reprieve from the hailstorm of reality in recent memory. And again-they should have opened with these ones. Fun fact-I actually met Moot strange aeons ago. He was a little too awkward at the time, but then again never give anybody you like power. You might have to meet them afterward.
As they said in Dark Knight Rises, rich people get poor differently. They will be good and insulated. The lesser deities? Perhaps this will ruin them. They have all had ample time to do their damage control and be adults.
Gods, where does THIS all feel familiar?
And perhaps this time we will all remember.
Ashley Madison was 10 years ago at this point (I remember where I was when that hack dropped-might I add, “TERMINAL 1!”). I would prefer to believe that we do not need a “lest we forget that there are receipts” reminder every decade or so. But perhaps we do.
The revelation will be televised.
… so your response is “meh”…?!
I think we need a series of trials named after whatever city they take place in.
I keep hearing people make analogies to the Nuremburg Trials, with a day of reckoning coming. I sincerely doubt it. The frickery going on right now is happening because one political party is all in on it while the other is wringing their hands worried about losing the middle, and doing zero about it. Remember that at Nuremburg, the Germans were held accountable for their outrages by the Allies. Would the German people, even in defeat, have held their own leaders accountable? I don’t know that much about history to answer that, but I doubt it. And I doubt our own Nuremburg is coming, even if the right wingers are voted out over the next two years. If we are allowed to vote in the next two years – time will tell.
In the aftermath of World War II, people in the Allied countries asked themselves what I asked myself as a student learning about the war and the N*z*s: ‘How could ordinary Germans let this happen? How could they vote for it? How could they look the other way when their neighbours and colleagues were arrested and persecuted?’
Now we know.