Carolyn Hax Gets It Wrong on Infidelity Again
Once again Carolyn Hax blames a woman for her husband’s infidelity, in a rerun column from yesterday’s Washington Post. It’s part of a long-standing pattern of her lousy advice around cheating.
I’ve called her out for being tone deaf on this topic for over a decade. Here’s a primer:
- Carolyn Hax’s Bitter Woman Pile On (2023) where she pillories a woman who objected to having her children sleep over at the mistress’s house while the divorce is ongoing.
- When the Other Woman Doesn’t Like the Mistress Label (2022) where Hax finds sympathy in contrast to CN’s boofuckinghoo.
- UBT: Cheating Is the Symptom Not the Disease (2016) where — holy dual accountability, Batman! — Hax states “Getting past a spouse’s cheating requires honesty on both sides.” Because you’re both liars and your suckitude could drive anyone to have a double life.
- Carolyn Hax Gives Dreadful Infidelity Advice Again (2013) where a remorseful cheater wonders if she should come clean and Hax tells her that a history of cheating is akin to the mortification of being in high school AV club.
Feel the love and understanding?
Yeah, me neither.
Over the years CN has posited whether she’s just spouting the usual Reconciliation Industrial Complex party lines, or if she’s cheated. (Of course these things are not mutually exclusive. In fact, it’s probably quite a Venn diagram of overlap.) Hax had a messy divorce from her first husband, the cartoonist Nick Galifinkas, with whom she appears to be on good terms. They were reportedly separated when she got together with her current husband and got pregnant. You can read about it in the Wayback Machine here and draw your own conclusions.
Whatever the story, she seems to buy the familiar trope that bad marriages make people cheat, not lousy character. Which brings us to yesterday’s rerun letter in WaPo.
Dear Carolyn: My husband is having an affair. I have many forms of proof, and did not need to search that hard. She works in the same company. I’m not surprised; he was texting her while we were on vacation with my family. I have not confronted him yet.
Instead of his actually owning up to it, I’m expecting him to say, “Well, can you blame me?” He has pushed hard to go to counseling. I have agreed and told him to set up the appointment, but he has not.
Sadly, I’m not really bothered by it. But if it begins to affect our children, there will be hell to pay. I have several copies of emails over the past six months, including one where he calls my family pathetic. I’m not sure what he based that on, except they are mostly intellectuals and he feels inferior. That bothers me more than the affair itself.
I’m sure he thinks I am unaware. The immature part of me just wants to say “gotcha.” Should I wait for counseling to bring this up so there is a witness there?
The Chump Lady take
If “Aware But Don’t Care” had written to me, I’d ask her to examine her Staying Together For the Children motivations and how healthy that is. (Is she economically vulnerable? A stay-at-home parent?) I’d tell her to get tested for STDs and ask her if she wants to be in a relationship with someone she doesn’t respect or trust?
Instead, Hax seized on the capital crime of this woman not wanting to go to counseling when her husband suggested it. (Of course, he doesn’t seem that invested either if he never made an appointment.) And weighs that much heavier than the fact that this guy is conducting a double life, diverting time and attention and money outside his family, and most likely risking her health.
She didn’t book the therapy appointment. She alone let her marriage go to shit! Ergo, she deserves what she gets. At least he’s out on a quest for aliveness.
Hax’s take
Aware But Don’t Care: Surely you don’t mean to suggest that your raging contempt for your husband hasn’t affected your children?
Raging contempt? I’m sure eating the shit sandwich of continued marriage to a cheater breeds resentment and inauthenticity — call her out on THAT. But THIS is straight up victim blaming.
First off, the woman is going to great lengths to proclaim herself NOT ANGRY. Because in our culture being an Angry Woman is the cardinal sin. The dick wandering entitlement is unquestioned.
There are two possibilities here, each with a different answer.
The first is that you mean exactly what you’ve written. In that case, you need to lock the immature part of you in the bathroom till the coast is clear, then tell your husband what you’ve discovered about his infidelity. Then you need to say you can’t blame him (no, you can’t), because he hasn’t gotten anything from you that even remotely resembles affection for years. Then you need to say it’s (long past) time for you both to admit the marriage isn’t working, like the adults you (allegedly) are, and decide what’s best for your kids at this point.
Hax is MAKING TOTAL SHIT UP!
She has NO IDEA if “he hasn’t gotten anything from you that even remotely resembles affection for years.”
We pivoted right to the Dead Bedroom excuse. Hello patriarchy my old friend — you’re frigid what do you expect?
Also, her husband could’ve admitted the marriage wasn’t working for him BEFORE HE FUCKED A COWORKER. It is possible to ethically break up. But I guess that isn’t equivalent to the crime of an unbooked therapy appointment.
The second possibility is that you’re deeply hurt, and you’re lashing out in a misguided attempt to shield your sadness, disappointment and humiliation over the failures of your marriage that have culminated in your husband’s affair.
And there we have it. The “failed” marriage made his dick wander. He made a unilateral decision to cheat, and she caused it. Because chumps have superpowers. We can also levitate avocados if we concentrate our minds.
She’s the bad guy, really
This second possibility may be a long shot, granted. But you’re saying “I don’t care” and then squaring yourself for a fight — when a true “I don’t care” is all about not fighting anymore. Even if what you’re feeling is a passionate dislike, then that’s still passion, and that’s still having feelings for him.
If that’s the case, then you need to recognize that you’re not so much the victim of his actions as the willing, somewhat twisted beneficiary of them. You’re hiding behind him: By agreeing to counseling but letting him fail to make the appointments, and by remaining passive as you watched him crave attention to the point of seeking it elsewhere, you’re letting him be the bad guy for you.
She LET him fail? Just like she made him cheat? I’ll agree she’s being passive — I’m a proponent of calling lawyers and throwing shit in Hefty bags. But this woman is being conspired against. Cheated on. ABUSED. It doesn’t matter if we find her likable or hold her actions in high esteem. Her husband IS the bad guy because he is the bad ACTOR.
Could it be that this long, passive goodbye feels easier to you than taking the emotional risk of admitting your feelings, admitting your failings and trying to save your marriage? If so, then I hope you’ll start admitting all this before it’s too late.
Either way, the only move you have left that’s solidly in the best interests of your kids and your marriage — and your integrity — is for you to find your courage and tell your truth, whatever that happens to be and wherever that happens to lead.
Yeah. The person with the integrity problem is the one at home with the kids while her husband is out fucking a coworker. Office extracurriculars always go over well with HR.
I hope OP found the courage to call a lawyer. As for Carolyn’s Hax’s views on infidelity — here’s my truth: Evolve your thinking or fuck all the way off.



I’m pretty here applauding until my hands are bloody while nodding my head to the point of a concussion.
That should say “over here”. I don’t know what happened and I blame my phone.
Your phone knows what you look like. 🤩. Seriously though, why would any chump write to this Perel clone? If there are comments, I hope someone points this chump to Chump Lady.
It was from 2010. I hope she escaped him with her health, wealth and sanity intact.
I was thinking the same thing! Girlfriend is writing to the WRONG person. I hope someone points her in our direction.
I read Hax yesterday and my immediate response was “blaming the victim.” Whenever a chump writes I submit a comment that says “go visit chumplady.com,” and that’s particularly true when most of the comments are also full of victim blaming.
As always, simply replace “cheating” with “violent physical abuse” or texting a “co–worker” with texting “the babysitter” and watch the difference in advice.
I’m amazed that infidelity, which destroys families and retirement accounts, continues to receive tacit approval.
Good advice on reading it a different way. Wow.
Of course, cheating is always the chump’s fault. I am so tired of that. Actually, I am tired of people asking me why I got divorced after 27 years. I used to say he cheated on me with a woman 32 years younger than him (summary of the truth). A lot of people seem to actually be okay with cheating. I am not one of those people. I still think that marriage is a partnership between two people who love, respect and cherish each other. Is this naive?
According to my ex, I have the super power of making him cheat due to my awfulness. I would actually say that my super power was getting through this and ridding myself of a person who did respect, love or cherish me. I am just tired of our society thinking that we need to put up with a cheating partner.
I hear you. My fuckwit took a younger downgrade, too. I have the same super power, apparently. Of course, I “forced her” to cheat as much as Klondike bars “forced” me to be diabetic.
No, it is not naïve to expect those things from your partner. It is to NOT expect that kind of emotion. The thing I see in a lot of fuckwits is the point comes when they stop putting in the work(if they ever put it in to begin with.) Gods know mine “checked out” when MY problems needed to be the focus for a little bit.
I find that people either are ok with cheating because well…they are cheaters themselves or otherwise wouldn’t want the kind of judgment if they ever took the opportunity(let’s be honest-we’ve all HAD the opportunity.). Else, and this was the boat I was in before my D-Day-I simply didn’t understand the congruence with abuse.
Stay Mighty!
Thankfully, I have been out for a little over two years now!!! The funny thing is the Fuckwit would send a reminder every few months (he actually had to send a snail mail letter because he was blocked on everything else!!!) he send a letter to remind me of how horrible I am. I actually have not gotten one of those so maybe it will be an annual event now!!! The last time, I got the letter (and yes the morbid curiousity compelled me to read it) I laughed hysterically and called my friends over to have some drinks and snack so we could tear it apart. We had a great time reading it and laughing.
I am okay with my superpowers. I have been dating a wonderful man for a while now and all is well so my powers may have diminished.
I read this yesterday and was properly appalled – however, until you mentioned it, it never occurred to me that HAX was a cheater herself. It is so OBVIOUS that she is still justifying her own disgusting behavior by blaming other victims. That’s just evil.
Applying “Occam’s Razor,” I suspect that, deep down, La Hax is either just deeply unpleasant or that she is a troll who takes a huge amount of enjoyment out of appearing to be deeply unpleasant. Those are the two simplest explanations that I can see for the mindless (and very unempathetic) drivel that she spouts.
LFTT
I think I brought this up when that Parul idiot went on her word salad about “Liars”-I feel like the “new school” of journalism swung super hard into “just for funsies be the complete Devil’s Advocate and call the people that agree with a reasonable stance a bunch of weak minded crybabies and then don’t read the comments section.” Controversy creates cash.
TL;DR:
I read Carolyn Hax’s column yesterday and that woman really pissed me off. Either she’s never been cheated on, or she’s a cheater herself. Either way, her stance of blaming the victim is malicious.
I couldn’t help myself and before crafting a rather verbiose comment — done through Hax’s FB page since her actual column is behind a WP pay wall — I suggested to Aware But Don’t Care that she go straight to a Chump Lady resource. I hope she starts to care enough to protect herself and her children.
Here’s what I actually wrote:
Aware But Don’t Care:
First, dismiss Carolyn Hax’s ridiculous comments. They’re clearly designed to blame the victim (that’s you) and make you question what’s happening.
Second, (a) Go to “chumplady.com”, (b) Visit the “Chump Nation (Infidelity Support)” Facebook group, and (c) Buy yourself a copy of “Leave A Cheater, Gain A Life” by Tracy Schorn.
Third, understand that cheating is a conscious, deliberate and intentional choice on the part of the cheater. It’s not an accident. It’s not a mistake. It’s not a whoops. It’s not “something that just happens“. And it’s not something that anyone can force you to do against your will. Quite to the contrary, cheating is a well-planned, and executed betrayal of trust.
Fourth, never let them know what evidence you have. Never show your hand.
Fifth, before you do anything else, meet with an aggressive divorce attorney so you can become educated on your legal and financial rights, especially as a pertains to your children (i.e. child support, legal and physical custody, visitation, parenting plans, etc.). Better yet, meet with several attorneys so you can gauge their personalities, see how willing they are to answer your questions, how responsive they are, do they treat you like a valued client or is just another source of billing revenue? Will they fight for you if things get ugly?
Sixth, after you’ve done that, *secretly* collect all of your financial, legal, and tax documents; depending on how complex your situation, this might be limited to 3 years’ worth of tax returns, a couple bank statements, maybe a 401(k) or an IRA, and copies of all forms of personal identification (i.e. drivers licenses, passports, marriage certificates, previous divorce decrees, birth certificates, military and adoption records if applicable, vehicle titles, etc.). But if you have credit cards, own any property, have multiple bank, investment and 529 college savings accounts, have multiple retirement accounts (i.e. Traditional or Roth IRAs, SEP or SIMPLE IRAs, Traditional or Roth 401(k)s, 457s, 403(b)s, TSPs, deferred annuities, Health Savings Accounts, Flex Benefit accounts, pensions, defined benefit/defined contribution accounts, Social Security accounts, etc.), various insurance policies (life, health, home, vehicle), etc., it may take longer to collect what you need. Now is the time to find out exactly what you have, what it’s worth, where it is, and whom to call. If he gets wind that you’re onto him, and he liquidates his 401(k), cleans out your bank accounts, starts transferring assets and/or properties out of your joint names into the names of his family members (or maybe even the AP), you’ll have a lot more work to do to reconstruct the data and you may have to hire a forensic accountant, who will track down everything he’s done like a bloodhound.
There’s a lot more you can do to hold him financially accountable, but this list will get you started. As for holding him emotionally, morally or ethically accountable, that will be much harder to do unless he has a Come to Jesus meeting with someone he respects, cares about and listens to; if he’s cheating on you, that person isn’t you. Ultimately, cheating cheaters cheat and lying liars lie. Prepare yourself that you may only ever get trickle truth from him, never the whole truth. PROTECT YOURSELF.
This this ☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️is Tracy Chump lady and CN in a nut shell. EXCELLENT ADVICE in a list format. I would add a warning that regardless of Coming to Jesus or therapy or promises or begging or sorry sorry sorry..start this process immediately. Cheaters want you back sometimes but they lie and lie and lie. I would also add, test your lawyer to see how long it takes them to call you back. If youre just a new consult you want to know they will answer you quickly instead of back burner. Though I did not take the time I needed to find an experienced lawyer in time for DDay due to abuse acceleration and an urgent need, my 29 year old too inexperienced lawyer still responded in good enough order and her Paralegal was AMAZING AMAZING.sent from heaven. DO NOT BELIEVE A CHEATER, PROTECT YOURSELF AND YOUR CHILDREN
2xchump:
Yes, I should have directly stated, “Don’t wait, act immediately”. I thought my message implied that “Aware But Don’t Care” needs to get off her duff — even if she claims not to care — and get busy so she can protect herself. But you’re right, many cheaters will try to beg the chump to wait so they can think, they can find themselves, they can get some therapy, blah, blah, blah, and all the while, they’re covertly plotting to get to the finish line first so they have the upper hand.
I’m glad your attorney worked out and her paralegal was such an angel. I got so lucky with my own attorney… He had 40+ years of experience and was peer reviewed as a “10” (thank you, avvo.com!). When I first met with him for an initial consultation, I told him that for several personal reasons, I didn’t want to be the one who filed; if FW of 40 years wanted out to be with his Married Howorker, he’d need to pull that lever himself. My attorney understood and never pressured me to act; he was amenable to staying on the sidelines (without a retainer) until such time as I needed him. It took FW 8 months to get the hint that I wasn’t going to file; I was in no rush because I was self-employed and still on FW’s excellent medical plan at work. FW then found some shit attorney who said he’d charge us a flat fee of $1,500 since “we were in agreement on all points”. The problem is, FW’s assumption that we were in agreement on all points couldn’t have been further from the truth. I not-so-politely declined his offer and told him that wouldn’t work for me. He kept pressing me to agree, so I told him to email the attorney and ask him exactly which one of us would actually be his client (I already knew the answer). Of course, the attorney replied that he couldn’t legally represent both of us because it would create a conflict of interest for him (duh), and since FW contacted him first, FW was his client and I’d be flapping in the wind without legal representation, all on my own to figure things out. Hey FW, you’re an idiot and you’ve just been busted. So, FW decided to hire the douche canoe attorney anyway, and it took them almost 2 months to send a draft of their proposed agreement to my attorney; it was received 2 weeks before FW and I were scheduled to travel out-of-state to our first son’s wedding and I told FW my attorney and I wouldn’t even look at it until I got back home. That trip couldn’t have been more awkward; what should’ve been the happiest of occasions was beyond miserable. When I got home, I immediately went Zero Contact — since I’d not yet heard of Chump Lady or LACGAL, my desire to cut contact with FW came strictly from following my gut — and from then on, all communication went through my attorney. It took almost 3 years to legally be rid of FW but I ended up with as fair a settlement as I could have hoped for. Patience, Grasshopper! And my attorney was awesome throughout; when FW tried to approach me right after our final court hearing, my attorney physically placed himself between me and FW so he had no access to me. About 5 years ago, I had to summon my attorney’s help again; FW ignored the fact that he’d been dead to me for 4 years at that point, and contacted me by mail (Certified Mail – Return Receipt Requested, no less) saying he wanted to meet to discuss some issues not previously addressed (none of the issues impacted our final settlement). Fat chance! I had my attorney reach out on my behalf and FW was soooo pissed off. He said my attorney and I were “making him jump through hoops” so he decided to walk away from settling said issues. Boo hoo. You were the one who needed my help and I provided an avenue for that to happen; if you’re putting conditions on me, I couldn’t care less if those issues ever get resolved. Good luck!
“Let him fail” was the final key to unraveling the mess and abruptly finding myself discarded and hated.
Although I would not recommend the journey (it was brutal and had it not been for support such as inpatient SI watch, hour by hour counselors and hotlines, three true friends and chumplady’s book), I would not be here today. But, after 40 years of catering to his toddler rants and shitty attitude, doing 100% of the work to build and maintain and home and family – I finally went gray rock. Didn’t know it was a thing until later. But, he had burnt so many bridges with me, I just went cold and nodded occasionally while he continued his monologues and critiques. Within a year or so, he announced his schmoopie love, loaded his clothes and walked out.
“Let him fail” should be our mantra.Had I continued to be the household appliance, he would have never been forced to reveal his secret second life. Sure hope schmoopie enjoys her promotion.
Now I’m off to the kitchen to try levitating an avocado. Today is one of my good days. I might be able to do it!
“‘Let him fail’ should be our mantra.” Genius!
I agree. It’s also hard for us to let go when we cared so much for so long. I remember when I made the decision to stop the pick-me dance. She was out the door shortly after. Granted she had already checked out and had crossed over the borderline with all of the betrayal at that point.
Stay Mighty(and good luck with the avocado-I hear they are only capable of levitation for 20 minutes before they start to go bad…or is that for making dip?)
I’m so sick of this shit. I’m also old and have no intention of opening numerous accounts on various websites, however I wish those Chumps who have the energy and the know how would respond to these sorts of postings wherever they are found. CL can’t do it all herself. A Chump Army is needed to drown out the absolutely delusional voices and give society a shot of reality.
Hax got one thing right though: “a true ‘I don’t care’ is all about not fighting anymore”. When a chump considers their (supposed to be life) partner, their children, their home, the pain and chaos of breaking a family…. and throws up their hands and says “I’m done and over this” then yes, the Chump is past caring.
Yes Amen..I’m too.old but I hope the young chumps get busy
I saw that and had a few choice words for her.
Many work for the RIC unknown to the world. Sing the same song. Blame the victim and say I KNOW IT WONT HAPPEN TO ME because I am invincible and have control of everyones body parts..and IM NOT LIKE THOSE CHUMPS AT ALL. I am SAFE. Or HE WILL NOW stay on his leash because I can’t be fooled again???
All I can say is ROCK ON TRACY , Rock on CN and keep walking towards MEH ..Tell the world we will live strong and mighty again. Your lies and blame will never define me
Carolyn Hax: (adjective, noun, verb) Self-serving assumptions, hack pseudo-journalism, and lurid editorial opinionizing. Attention getting click baiter and dispenser of shoot-from-the-hip advice on serious problems.
Hax: plural of Hack, slang for amateur, non-gifted. “Many journalists are dedicated, but more than a few of them are hax.”
I would rather address her flawed logic with real logic and reality, Effing a co-worker is not allowed in companies precisely because it could leave them open to lawsuits if something goes wrong, and lawsuits lead to lost profit for the whole company. A person or people could lose their jobs and careers if it is found out they are involved sexually. No one suggests that it is the company’s fault for not seeking counseling or making the job and work environment attractive enough so that a person never screws the co-worker in the next cubicle. The rule is basic: If you work here, you don’t get to do that. Period.
Why are the very normal constraints of a marriage any different? Why should they be looked on as mutable? There was an agreement, and no one gets to secretly and unilaterally change that agreement.
I could go on and on, but first I’m going to be googling bookies and mobsters who will take my million dollar bet that Carolyn Hax has been the Other Woman on numerous occasions.
Applause.
Holy victim blaming Batman! What a load of bullshit. I can’t believe the shit she just made up whole cloth in order to justify blaming the letter writer. Hax is clearly a cheater herself. She’s doing what all FW’s do. She’s blaming the victim, DARVO’ing the world, turning herself into the hero and all of us chumps into the villain. I really hope the letter writer finds her way here. She needs us.
It’s astounding, the depth of Hax’s bad advice. I look at how she made shit up about the letter writer, and the unjustified vitriol, and I wonder how it’s even possible to get to this take on the matter.
If the letter writer was passively unhappy, that’s not great. But how can that mean a free pass for unethical behavior? The simple idea that whatever action somebody takes is their responsibility seems to hold in everything unless you’re a billionaire or a cheater. It’s enough to make me wanna retreat to a mountaintop as far from other humans as possible.
The alarming thing is that people will take that “advice” as gospel because it was in a reputable publication…in an era where that media is slowly decentralizing and dying.
A reputable publication… owned by Jeff Bezos? I’m inspired to have a bit of hope for humanity that, according to polls, only 28% of the public have a favorable view of Bezos.
On second read, Ms Hax is just like my XHcheaters Sex therapist who said my husband’s wandering body part was cured after 4 sessions, but I needed 5 to 10 years of HIS THERAPY.
Ms Haxs advice is like asking a mistress how to keep your husband happy. It stinks
This is just like my XHCHEATERS sex therapist telling my then husband he was cured of his compulsion in 4 sessions but I needed 5 to 10 years of therapy with him to be cured. Ms Hax is just a simple cheater who can write.
That was so full of self serving bovine detritus that I couldn’t fully read Hack’s…oops…Hax’s work. Her response to “aware don’t care” was so inflammatory and angry… as if She was the one who cheated on the letter writer and got caught.
I notice that, although the letter-writer has agreed to therapy (at the husband’s request), it’s somehow the letter-writer’s fault that the husband never made the appointment. I presume this is because the husband has never made a doctor’s appointment in his life and couldn’t possibly be expected to do so this time. I detect a background of the letter-writer handling all the details of household management and being blamed (probably by husband, and certainly by Hax) whenever something fails to happen. This despite the husband being (one presumes) a fully functional adult with the ability to pick up a phone and dial a number.
In my experience, when one person presses for counseling and then fails to follow through, it’s because that person is using counseling (or the threat thereof) as leverage. My XW refused marriage counseling, but after many years of back-and-forth (basically involved XW pressuring me to agree to joint therapy but then putting various conditions on it, such as “only I choose the therapist” and “AP must be included” that she knew were unacceptable to me) I finally agreed to try coparenting therapy. I found a therapist, confirmed availability and passed his number to XW. XW never called. Six months later in the middle of a disagreement about custody time swaps, XW said the quiet part out loud: “If you don’t agree to this, I will pick up the phone and call that therapist”. She never wanted therapy, she only wanted the threat of therapy as a pressure point.
And yes, I was the person who handled all that stuff in my marriage. Mid-affair, literally two weeks before DDay, I was going around the new neighborhood (we’d just moved) asking our new neighbors (whom I’d just met a few weeks earlier) for recommendations for gynecologists, because I knew that if I didn’t do it myself it would never get done. I should have figured out earlier that XW’s therapy talk was all bluster because she had never once taken that much initiative in our entire marriage.
My ex wouldn’t let me make doctor appointments, but she wouldn’t make them either.
And if I bypassed her highnoussness, she’d find some reason to try to interfere with the appointment.
And then sullenly go/let me go.
In between fighting me over making the appointment myself or letting her do it, insulting me over it, and generally just being “Omega Bitch” about it.
Like WTF, why?
In the final few months before she fled to her secret love nest apartment, she would make appointments for herself for days and times I couldn’t be there to drive her.
My job is such that I need to request time off a month in advance in writing, and it could be denied, and I work ten hour overnight shifts.
So she’d purposely schedule for midweek mornings and go “see, he doesn’t care! He won’t help meeeee!”
Were Fridays appointments available I could get her to?
Yes.
Did she try that?
No.
I have no idea what to make of this, but it’s what happened.
Why be that damned difficult?
As for the lady that Hax was abusing in her response, I don’t think she did anything like that to her ex but I do think you are right that her ex never made an appointment in his life and further he probably used it as an excuse for various things.
I, too, detect the letter writer’s background work (AKA taking care of everything). Asking her partner to make an appointment isn’t a big ask–but it’s symbolic.
I know this because I asked my X to make marriage counselling appointments in the past, and it took him 2 years to do so. I didn’t step in. I left it for him. He was all “I need to find a good therapist because not all therapists are good” and “I don’t really believe in therapy but I’m willing to give it shot.”
2 years later.
we went and it was somewhat successful, but controlled in that X controlled it as much as possible. it was therapy light.
anyway, letter writer was tired when she wrote this letter. you can just tell.
Sigh.
I see a lot of these RIC (and adjacent) articles the same way I see the psychotic individual sitting outside of my office having a verbal battle with unseen actors right now(they are sitting alone, by the way-and before anybody chides me-I’ve offered to talk to them for like an hour. Sigh.)-I bet there is an element of truth buried somewhere in there but ultimately it’s a lot of barely masked unchecked psychosis and undifferentiated ego mass.
The Venn Diagram(thanks again, Fearless Leader) resonates. I continue to get the impression that the “journalists” (and I use that term loosely) that are getting the most defensive about this sort of thing are either cheaters themselves or would not want the scrutiny/persecution if they fell victim to well…victimizing. This one sure as hell doesn’t seem to have the “successful marriage moral high ground” to crow down from.
I got the “you need therapy” thing. So I went to therapy. Then it was “well, you need MORE therapy!” It’s almost like fuckwits move the goalposts back. During D-Day/the breakup it was “had you gone to more/when I asked…” You know, the projection gambit. She had already betrayed me-but let’s make shattering reality and making sure there are permanent trust issues about my shortcomings instead of her lack of respect for herself and others (as well as fear of metaphysical debt).
I have occasionally wondered if CH is not really a person but just a series of anonymous interns who don’t have much clue about life. Still not sure who actually writes this stuff but if there’s a real woman putting her name to it, shame on her.
This is the proverbial monkey in a room of infinite typewriters scenario.
Just wait until AI starts making fake entries.
We already have that on YouTube with AI making fake feel good videos and fake reddit posts.
If they figure out a way to monetize the story, they’ll set skynet loose on writing stuff probably indistinguishable from stuff put out by C. Hax (aptly named I might add.)
And then the cheaters can fawn over their robot overlords in silicon solidarity.
Who says that isn’t what we’re all sharpening knives about?
For the children is such a loaded phrase, and it’s manipulative.
It is for sure over used, personally and politically. It reminds me of an old George Carlin skit. For the children is used to cover a multiple of bad ideas/sins.
The article is a 14 year old re-run, but I commented because I was so damn mad. Earlier, I had been (repeatedly) trying to get my STBX into counseling because we had some recurring communication issues* I tried setting up appointments, he rejected all slots. I asked him to set something up, he said he didn’t want anyone to overhear him calling HR to book the time or set up with the Employee Assistance Program. On and on. He got referrals from family members when getting on a therapist’s schedule anywhere was hard, and he wouldn’t follow through.
Then things blew up and he agreed to see whatever Employee Assistance Program counselor was free for the narrow schedule range he granted. ONLY if we didn’t mention the affair. Predictably, it wasn’t a very good therapist. Later I realized he was almost out the door and he just wanted to look like he “tried,” because he didn’t participate very much. Mania had claimed him fully. I did the last two sessions alone, trying to process.
Carolyn Hax made a lot of unfounded assumptions of the LW. And once you have sufficient evidence that your spouse is stepping out, you’re not gonna be his cheerleader anymore. Most of us, if we listed all the things we’d tried and the effort we’d made, the letter would be well beyond the newspaper’s length limits for the content.
*Turned out the real issue was not really wanting to communicate at all…
“ONLY if we didn’t mention the affair.” This kind of manipulation makes me so mad!
Thank you for this. I read the column and got righteously pissed off. Thought about flinging it over the transom, but I figured there would be a few thousand of CN doing that.
“Advice” columns like this make me glad I believe in hell.
Um, I think this tipped me over to the side of thinking Hax is really nothing more than a FW in the advice column hen house. Only a zealous member of the WLCCMP (worldwide league of chronic cheaters and mate poachers) would get so over-the-top pissed off about a chump daring not to be crushed by an affair that she would call the rather mild philosophical response “raging contempt.” Chumps not being crushed by affairs is a threat to the centrality of all FWs! What– you’re not all curled up in the fetal position crying our names to eternity? You think this is funny? You shall be smote!
Clearly Hax has personalized this and is teetering right on the edge of the deep end. Does anyone else have a sudden urge to troll Hax with fake shruggy chump letters to see if it drives her another inch over the brink? Like:
Dear Carolyn,
I just found out my wife is cheating. I’m a cartoonist and she’s an advice columnists who gives generally bland but sometimes harmful advice to vulnerable readers for a publication owned by a fellow cheater and societal scourge. She left me for an attorney who fancies himself a political essayist. My question is, is there something desperately, pathologically wrong with me– maybe on the scale of epic biblical evil— that I feel mostly relieved and bemused to be finally free of her toxic, overbearing, shallow presence in my life and glad she’s now someone else’s problem? Please advise.
~Super Meh
🤣🤣🤣this is so genius, pls pls submit it.
Ugh.
Hax reminds me of everything that got spewed at me over the years to excuse, explain, and hand wave away everything my ex did as being my fault.
In my case the frigidity in the bedroom was because she was out doing plug and play with unauthorized hardware in her ports.
As for the cheater suggesting counseling, in personal experience the cheater does this as a gamble to try and get you to open up during counseling so they can latch onto something to use as justification for their bas behavior.
It’s not worth the trouble.
And if the counseling goes poorly for them and they feel “attacked” then they will cease counseling because “it wasn’t working, the counselor took your side!”
(Of course dear ex, what did you expect when you screamed in counseling that you had to be allowed to keep seeing your boyfriend? Head pats and affirmations that you were doing something good?)
But yes, according to many of the people I knew my ex was meat riding because I wasn’t rich enough, attentive enough, available enough, didn’t let her run and control everything enough, and wasn’t built like Adonis so this excused everything.
So what if she punched me, pulled my hair, yanked the steering wheel etc while I was driving on the highway in a 65 zone, no that’s fine.
You just weren’t enough for her and made her do it.
“Just be better”, I was told.
How dare you not be shirtless crackhead Santa!
I know, right?
How thoughtless of me.
Lol
No time to waste then, you better get cracking. 😀
I can’t STAND all those shit for advice columnists. Sorry, but I think they’re secretly all men or internalized misogynists. I feel SORRY for anyone that writes to them and gets their canned sound bites. I wrote to Dear Abby once – while my ex husband was devaluing me (although not realizing it at the time) & my kids could’ve given me more worthwhile advice! She wrote “oh your husband loves you, you should never doubt that”, “he’s probably going through a rough time”. WTF?! Her sickeningly sweet advice led me to think she’d had one martini too much while banging it out on the keyboard. Rough time alright, he was fucking a soccer mom.
I should clarify, I’m referring to *newspaper advice columnists*
Well, that soccer mom was a painful ride! A lot of thistles in the center circle, brambles in the corner arc and mildew in the penalty area lol.
Haha that’s true. I almost feel sorry for ex & soccer mom boinking in a smelly cleats minivan 😂
Oh God, sounds as bad as hospital affairs in bodily fluid-speckled, used-bandage-strewn exam rooms, bleah.