Christine Banfield Murdered Because Her Husband Didn’t Want a Divorce

Christine Banfield was killed by her husband in a plot with their nanny, because he reasoned murder was preferable to divorce.

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It’s dangerous to be a chump. Ask Shannon Watts, Laci Peterson, Kathleen Peterson, or Nicole Brown Simpson — women murdered by their cheating husbands. All dispensed with for the crimes of being inconvenient, or worse, flagrantly autonomous.

Add to that list, Christine Banfield. Her husband Brendan Banfield allegedly stabbed her to death after locking their 4-year-old daughter in the basement. All so he could start a new life with his mistress, Juliana Peres Magalhaes, their nanny — nanny schtupping being an infidelity cliche.

Think about the dynamics of nanny affairs for moment. Imagine you’re a sociopath. What’s more gratifying than a new younger woman to care for your kids and service your dick? Every day is a spousal appliance audition. There in your home side-by-side with your old appliance. Of course you’re going to compare. You want the new appliance, but how to get rid of the old one? You can’t just call Home Depot to haul her away.

‘Divorce was not an option’

People magazine reports:

Video of Peres Magalhaes’ testimony was reported by NBC4 and livestreamed by CourtTV. She testified that Brendan began concocting the plan after saying he wanted to “get rid” of his wife.

Peres Magalhaes testified that Brendan told her “divorce was not an option” because “money was involved” and he did not want to share custody of his daughter with his wife, per NBC4.

He can’t divorce Christine Banfield! The court would determine she had some rights to her child and marital property! How many of us have divorced FWs who were similarly outraged? Consequences for my infidelity? Child support? Expenses? I want what I want now.

Continue to think like a sociopath. Hey! I’m smarter than everyone else. And I deserve all the things! So, let’s plot an elaborate murder and pin it on some other schlub.

The murder plot

The New York Times reports (gift link)

A suburban dad. An extramarital affair. A double homicide tied to a fetish website. And a Brazilian au pair who was in the middle of it all.

In testimony that ended Wednesday, that au pair, Juliana Peres Magalhães, connected the dots of what prosecutors say was an elaborate plot by Brendan Banfield to kill his wife, Christine, 37, and Joseph Ryan, 38, in the Banfields’ Virginia home in 2023 — a scheme that included Ms. Magalhães, with whom he was having an affair. Ms. Banfield was stabbed to death, and Mr. Ryan was fatally shot.

“I just couldn’t keep it to myself, the feeling of shame and guilt and sadness,” Ms. Magalhães said on the stand.

I’m glad she flipped, but dear God, the mistress seems like another sociopath. How can you contemplate a future with a man who wants to murder his wife? This is next level magical sparkletwat thinking.

Stage the death to make it look like it was the victim’s idea

All the victim blaming is baked right in! Had this gone according to plan, Christine would not be a wronged betrayed wife, no, she’d be a bad girl who liked transgressive sex with randos. And her Brendan would be the hero who was only trying to protect her! The tragic chumped husband who tried to save his cheating wife’s life.

Wow. What a DARVO masterstroke.

Prosecutors say Mr. Banfield created an account on a fetish website, posing as his wife, and lured Mr. Ryan to their home early one morning, leading the man to think he would be in a tryst with Ms. Banfield as part of a violent sexual role play scenario that she had proposed.

I’m sorry Mr. Ryan was a murder victim, but not that sorry. I’m thinking of all those men in the Gisele Pelicot case who were quite happy to answer similar ads. What is wrong with people?

Once Mr. Ryan had entered the bedroom where his wife was, prosecutors say that Mr. Banfield, an I.R.S. agent at the time, shot him with his pistol and then stabbed his wife, staging the scene to appear as if he had come to his wife’s aid. Ms. Magalhães, now 25, also confessed to shooting Mr. Ryan later after seeing him move.

As cynical as my Chump Lady brain is, I’m still gobsmacked at the sheer hatred of stabbing your own wife. The mother of your child.

And I’m gobsmacked that Magalhães thought that Brendan Banfield, a dumpy IRS agent who looks like something squeezed out of tube, was a prize worth killing for.

But here we are. Two sociopaths in twu wuv. If only Christine Banfield could’ve divorced the cheater and gained a life, instead of losing hers. It makes me wonder how many FWs get away with it.

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charmee
charmee
1 month ago

Can’t help feeling that if guns weren’t so readily available in the U.S. many lives would be saved. Its too easy for anybody to buy a gun, hence, murder is much easier than facing the legal system and divorce proceedings. You gotta wonder if something has to be tweaked in the system. Its the Wild West south of the border, thank God I live in Canada where this is a rare occurrence, and not a daily one. Tighten up your gun laws people, woman and children are dying.

chumpnomore6
chumpnomore6
1 month ago
Reply to  charmee

But she was stabbed, not shot.

ISawTheLight
ISawTheLight
1 month ago
Reply to  charmee

I mean, he stabbed her, so I doubt lack of a gun would have prevented this.

FYI_
FYI_
1 month ago
Reply to  ISawTheLight

The other murder victim was shot. A gun was a key part of the scheme. Two victims — one stabbed, one shot.

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charmee
charmee
1 month ago
Reply to  ISawTheLight

The sex worker was shot, so a gun was used in the crime, lets not forget about the other victim.

ISawTheLight
ISawTheLight
1 month ago
Reply to  charmee

I’m not forgetting the other victim. I am saying that had a gun been unavailable, someone who is willing to stab their victim to death would have found a way to kill her (and the other victim) regardless. Stabbing is brutal, up close, and personal and speaks to a lot of rage. The lack of a firearm would not prevent that person from killing.

FYI, I am in favor of gun regulations.

BigCityChump
BigCityChump
1 month ago

Such stupidity and such tragedy! How many of us wonder if our murder didn’t cross the mind of our FW or AP? It’s what CL always says…it’s the CHARACTER of these bozos. And once your character says you can cheat on the one you purport to love anything is possible.

ChumpOnIt
ChumpOnIt
1 month ago
Reply to  BigCityChump

This is one of the things I have told my therapist when working through the feelings and trauma of the whole thing – I think I will always be at least slightly alarmed by this person who would do this thing to both me and our daughter. The character (or lack thereof) that would cause something so catastrophic to happen to other people that they claimed to love or at least tried on as family…what’s to say that worse won’t happen at some point? I am forever on guard, as long as I have to co-parent with this effing sociopath. He’s covert too, which makes it that much worse because he’s not overtly a threat. Of course at this point, we all know better. Sometimes with them it’s in for a penny, in for a pound. You never know where their lack of character and consideration for other human life will stop.

SortofOverIt
SortofOverIt
1 month ago
Reply to  ChumpOnIt

I will be forever on guard too. Early on I was really scared, now it is more of a “be smart about safety with him, be dilligent, don’t let your guard down” thing vs constant real worry that he is actively plotting my death.

Early on, my fears came from two places, one, just knowing that this is a thing that happens. But also, he echoed this murderer’s thoughts. He had an affair and wanted to move on with AP but didn’t want to face any of the consequences that come with divorce. The financial loss, the loss of time with kids, the way a man that leaves his family for a younger model is perceived. And he really tried to find a way to a avoid it. He wanted me to just accept that he wasn’t gettting a divorce, and that he would move his AP here in a nearby home and she would be his romantic parter and I would continue to be a wife appliance with the romantic aspects removed. We would live as some kind of $%^ed up family and do things together, the 3 of us and our kids. It was insane. And frankly, the insanity of it convinced me that he wasn’t too far off from deciding that if I died, it would solve all his problems.

We are divorced now so he has already faced all the big consequences, so murder seems less of a concern for me. But I will always be dilligent.

An irony here is that he was so concerned with “The financial loss, the loss of time with kids, the way a man that leaves his family for a younger model is perceived.
” and never once comnsidered that I would suffer the SAME fate, except I hadn’t caused any of it. Made me want to ask “if you are so concerned about how bad it would be to get a divorce and deal with all the bad aspects that come with it, why have an affair?” It always seemed like he felt stunned, like he woke up one day and was placed in this terrible situation, but he had a six year affair! That’s a lot of very deliberate choices that lead him to where he was. And he ended up in the only position a person can be in after doing what he did. At the end, he wasn’t even like “I made a mistake, take me back”. He wanted to be with the AP. And yet still seemed so shocked that he was in a bad position. That disconnect helped make me so nervous early on because he didn’t seem just stupid, he seemed insane.

ChumpOnIt
ChumpOnIt
1 month ago
Reply to  SortofOverIt

“That disconnect helped make me so nervous early on because he didn’t seem just stupid, he seemed insane.”

This! And even though I am further away (time from event, geographically), I am still nervous. It’s the hell of sharing a child with these monsters. I truly don’t know what to expect and when. And what’s to say all of the shoes have dropped? It’s hard to process and put something like this down completely.

BetterNow
BetterNow
1 month ago
Reply to  ChumpOnIt

I can 100% relate to this. That depth of selfishness is just so hard to comprehend.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 month ago
Reply to  ChumpOnIt

You’re smart to stay alert for all possibilities though realism is more stressful than denial which is likely why many victims lowered their guards. No one’s nervous system likes Russian roulette and it’s anyone’s guess what these freaks are capable of.

2xchump
2xchump
1 month ago

My ex is mentally instable.and remarried quickly. There are people that tell me to “Show him who’s boss, go talk to him, go forgive him, go act like nothing bothers you!! Don’t let him know you are afraid of him! These people HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA the mind of a cheater who is a Shakespearean actor anyway. These people feel nothing, they fake everything. Don’t put your trust in them. A huge mistakes.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 month ago
Reply to  2xchump

The people saying these things sound delusional or dangerously sheltered. Next time tell them to ignore the signs at Yellowstone and go ahead and feed the bears lol.

My disabled combat vet dad described hating this once popular old TV series called Hogan’s Heroes (still on reruns on cable) because it made Nazis out to be relatively harmless cartoon characters and depicted the prisoner of war experience a cake walk.

He was also originally from the hood and couldn’t stand seeing violent criminals made out to be teddy bears so he was no fan of Analyze This either.

2xchump
2xchump
1 month ago

HOAC-Ignorance is such a weakness but most people understand very little of the issues unless they are directly involved. Chumps often crave validation and have learned by living too many years with the brainwashing of a cheater, that their own minds cannot be trusted. So we might listen to those with no experience and no wisdom. I am listening to myself now, trusting my experiences,seeing my cheaters with blinders off and what I still see is someone who will not forget I filed and locked him out. Someone who is a charmer but who remains an unstable liar. No one can tell me what I need to do or not do until they have lived Mt story. Thanks for the reminder. I fo remember Hogan’s Heros and I agree with your dad. He knew the truth and the Natzi military were no idiots.

ChumpOnIt
ChumpOnIt
1 month ago

It’s definitely taken its toll to have to live like this. I was worse in the beginning. There has been a fine line between needless worry and vigilance. I’m hoping that’s it’s been parsed out a bit better as I work through the trauma. Having to live with these people in your orbit is the hell that feels like it never ends.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 month ago
Reply to  ChumpOnIt

I think of it as the process of becoming an “emotional athlete.” The less shockable we become, the safer we are in some ways because we’re all prone to shutting out realities that cause too much stress.

ChumpOnIt
ChumpOnIt
1 month ago

That’s a good way to put it. I used to do distance running and there is a certain level of masochism, not so much for “useless” pleasure but in a way that you come to understand the differences between pain and strength, toleration and capability. Though not wanted or signed up for, this seems to be kind of a mental/emotional version of that. Despite not being able to completely digest that this is just how some people are, I can still look at it, see it for what it is, and say no thank you. I started reading Girls Play Dead by Jen Percy and am seeing how and why it is that we shut ourselves off to even casual assaults we are exposed to throughout our lives. There is definitely something of a self-preservation in going numb to it when the stress reaction becomes too much, but also a danger both to ourselves and how it allows these horrors to carry on.

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Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 month ago
Reply to  ChumpOnIt

Hah, yes, I was a distance swimmer which is probably why the analogy occurred to me. It was actually my father’s idea that I do AAU sports, not mine. He was worried that my gangly frame would make me injury prone and was also concerned about how passive and day-dreamy I was as a kid which made me a huge target for bullies.

It was a bit tiger dad of him but, in retrospect, I don’t know how else I would have learned to shift into this cyborg endurance mode where I could become uncharacteristically detached and purposeful. It’s probably the only way I would have learned that winning– even if it always seemed empty and pointless to me on its own (I like things that are meaningful or beautiful and never cared who won anything)– is sometimes necessary as a strategy to gain something else.

In my case, winning the mile got the bullies off my back because other people care about winning (snore). I found myself shifting into the same machine mode when having to strategize against workplace harassers. Winning matters when losing isn’t an option.

ChumpOnIt
ChumpOnIt
1 month ago

“Winning matters when losing isn’t an option.” This was basically the attitude of self-preservation that drove me forward. It was like the masochism of distance sports without having made the choice to do it. Like you said, we had put ourselves in the headspace before of just plow through it and it will eventually you will be on the other side.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 month ago
Reply to  ChumpOnIt

Exactly. Though I seriously wish there was a switch we could flip to automatically enter that detached, get-it-done headspace rather than having to go into near nervous system collapse first.

LookingForwardsToTuesday
LookingForwardsToTuesday
1 month ago

I can only hope that Christine’s daughter is well looked after and supported.

Monsters walk amongst us.

LFTT

ChumpOnIt
ChumpOnIt
1 month ago

It’s monstrous how little they think of the children involved in their twisted plans. This poor girl.

charmee
charmee
1 month ago
Reply to  ChumpOnIt

They aren’t thinking with their big brain, its the other one.

BetterNow
BetterNow
1 month ago
Reply to  ChumpOnIt

Exactly. That poor little girl… Only 4 years old. Now who will raise her and help her navigate the trauma caused by her father?

ClearWaters
ClearWaters
1 month ago

Why “Brendan Banfield, a dumpy IRS agent who looks like something squeezed out of tube, was a prize worth killing for”?

If Ms Peres was on a temporary work visa (there are legitimate companies in Brazil that broker temporary au pair jobs), dumpy Banfield was the road to her green card, a small price to pay because she could alwys get a divorce later. She seems pretty shallow, but probably realized she was going to get caught and decided to cut her losses.

You would think that with all the true crime shows, etc., around, people would make better plans. But stupidity ….

charmee
charmee
1 month ago
Reply to  ClearWaters

She should not have been cut such a sweet deal…….they would have got him anyway. She is no innocent thats for sure, having tub time with this guy. She told multiple lies on the day the bodies were discovered all practised with him beforehand, I guess reality wasn’t as easy.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 month ago
Reply to  ClearWaters

The kids and I spend part of the year in South America and my guess is that, if the nanny was strongly Amerindian and/or Black and from a country torn by extreme violence, it might be more feasible that she was driven by pure desperation. But according to her background and also her smug mugging in photos before she was caught, I get the feeling she was driven as much by entitlement as opportunity. She’s also from Sau Paulo which is statistically safer than Toronto.

For one, she’s what’s called a “Teuto-Brasileira”– Brazilian of German ancestry who was unlikely to be escaping serious persecution. Not that Peres Magalhães is necessarily racist herself but, by the platinum blond dye job she sported before she was charged with manslaughter, it seems possible that she could have relied on a certain “edge” to get the nanny job, particularly in the heavily red state of West Virginia. In any case, her German sir name Magalhães would probably give her an advantage in some parts of Brazil not to mention in the US where even the worst anti-immigrant racists will grant “honorary white” status to Latin American right wingers (like former Brazilian president Bolsonaro or Argentine president Milei and Chilean dictator Pinochet before them) who boast European ancestry.

Unless you’ve lived in Latin America, it’s hard to explain how racism works there. Racism is always ironic and stupid since it’s a completely artificial construct but racism can be especially pathetic and ironic in Latin countries where an estimated 96% of people have African and Indigenous ancestry but many sadly deny it.

In any event, it seems like racism in Brazil is in some ways worse than the US (it was only recently that the first Black actor was hired for a major role in a Brazilian TV series) and in some ways better (mixed race couples don’t really raise eyebrows and African American travelers usually describe having more positive experiences in Brazil than in, say, Chile.) But Teuto-Brasileiros still often perceive themselves as being on the top of the racial food chain and make up most of the Brazilian extreme right wing.

Though most Germans who settled in Brazil are like immigration waves everywhere else and made up of overwhelmingly innocent refugees looking for better lives, an estimated 5% of the Germans who settled in Brazil (and larger percentages who settled in Argentina and Chile) in the 1930s-40s were Nazis using ratlines to escape justice. And most of the escaped Nazis and collaborators who went to Brazil settled in Sau Paulo where, again, Peres Magalhães is from.

Elsie_
Elsie_
1 month ago

Sigh. Such a sad, ugly story, but he and the nanny ended up in jail instead of with each other. The elaborate plan failed. His wife is dead, and their daughter is going to have to work through this for the rest of her life. What an evil, delusional man!

I read elsewhere that the trial will be many weeks and that the same judge is involved who did the Amber Heard/Johnny Depp trial. I take that as pretty much a positive here.

It truly could have been any of us.

Archer
Archer
1 month ago

This IRS guy is diabolical!
Regulars around here know that I call my ex FW narcopath because at one point he was considering a fatal accident for me. He even looks like Chris Banfield. Whether criminal brothel madam was in on the plot or not I don’t know but she’d be like this nanny out to strip FW of assets and maybe a green card too.

It happens more than we want to believe, people have told me of suspicious deaths of relatives who were chumped and the cheater never arrested.

Frighteningly this probably means nearly all of our FW have at least *thought* about how convenient our early demise would be for them even if they ultimately did not attempt murder or botched the job.

OHFFS
OHFFS
1 month ago
Reply to  Archer

GMTA, Archer. I also believe almost all of them have fantasized about it, though not necessarily planned it.

ClearWaters
ClearWaters
1 month ago
Reply to  Archer

Archer, I now understand why my FW narcopath looked so disappointed when I walked out of the ER after an anaphylatic reaction to an ant bite.
The only reason he did not take things into his own hands, I guess, is that he is a more knowlegeable about forensic science than Blockhead Banfield is.

Rensselaer
Rensselaer
1 month ago

Two disordered people find each other but there is an object (or two) in the way of their happily ever after. It becomes rational to the disordered to remove those objects. When I finally realized that I was an object to Cheaty McLiarface and Joyful Jil I was terrified for a minute. But Cheaty knows that Roscoe is my constant companion. It doesn’t guarantee my safety but it does provide some peace of mind.

Stepbystep
Stepbystep
1 month ago

National news stations have covered this story, as well as another similar story, for several day in great detail. They have spent less time on important national and international stories.

They are teasing viewers with photos of attractive, upper class white Americans. The stories do not connect the dots between infidelity and domestic violence. Nor do they report the numbers of women killed everyday.

We are being failed.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 month ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

Oh don’t get me started (too late). 😉

Yep, despite the facts that

1) front lines advocates for DV survivors typically observe that virtually all batterers and coercive controllers cheat;

2) studies of HIV infections and STDs among married women all report far higher rates among battered women (with no evidence the victims are typically sex workers or cheaters themselves);

3) the trope of the pathologically jealous batterer screams of guilty projection;

and

4) in the demented logic of reactive attachment disorder (which fifty years of forensic research attributes to most batterers), cheating makes a kind of sense as a way of “diluting” batterers’ pathologically infantile dependence on victims by spreading it out between more than one partner and also hedging bets against chronic paranoid abandonment fears…

…there are still no studies exploring rates of cheating among batterers or battering among cheaters.

There are so many things pointing to an essential connection that it makes the gap in research seem downright willful and probably political. The only research that comes close to date is a US study of Bolivian batterers which argues that a central motive for men to batter is to keep their wives from “obstructing” their ability to cheat.

Despite nearly implying that battered women are “controlling b*tches,” the study does sort of argue that infidelity might be kinda sorta related to DV. But the study is a bit limited because it’s solely focused on physical assault and also relies on the self reports of batterers (or what batterers told their victims) regarding their reasons for committing violence.

The problem with self reports in cultures where men are basically expected to cheat as a mark of masculinity as well as to keep tight control of their wives is that it’s nearly bravado for these individuals to report they were motivated to keep their wives out of the way of affairs (Brag #1: “I get outside bootie.” Brag #2: “No b*tch tells me what to do!”). But the same cultural standards predict these self-reports would be even less likely to include more “vulnerable” (weak, unmasculine) reasons for committing abuse such as paranoid projection and self generated fear of abandonment.

Had this study also focused on coercive control leading up to domestic assault, researchers might have discovered that the same cheating batterers had all along used threats and coercion to socially isolate their wives and ensure the latter could not do “in kind” which might argue that battering is basically the enforcement of one-sided monogamy. In other words, the real reason these men beat their wives may have been to keep their wives from leaving and replacing them or cheating themselves which presents infidelity as more of a universal root motive for violence, even suggesting that it could be “the” main reason for it.

Imagine if academic study after study reported that the central driver of domestic violence has always been the hypocritical enforcement of fidelity on victims. Oh noes. Every cheater on earth including members of the ruling class would find themselves falling under suspicion for domestic abuse and RIC and Esther Perel would be exposed as flat-earthers and abuse apologists.

new here old chump
new here old chump
1 month ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

Ah! So there are some numbers- just seeing this now-but yes, Manguso says as such somewhere during her promotion of Liars.

new here old chump
new here old chump
1 month ago
Reply to  Stepbystep

I didn’t think about this, but you are correct- this would be a great way to inform the public about the numbers, the statistics and how common domestic violence is, how commonplace. And yes, the correlation, the stats, of infidelity and violence. It’s just put out like a “how can this have happened!” as opposed to, this happens. Here is proof–
we all know. But the world still is uninformed, victims are still blamed. Etc…

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 month ago

Statistically correlating cheating to DV and DV to cheating saps all the sticky romance out of cheating and robs cheaters (like all batterers) of their favorite alibi which is to blameshift/reverse victim and offender.

new here old chump
new here old chump
1 month ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

Sarah Manguso in an interview somewhere about Liars mentioned that there is proof/study of a link between DV and infidelity but I don’t think she named the source, but I bet there is one as she wouldn’t say so otherwise.. Not many, not enough research is for sure, and yes victim blaming and heart wants garbage are the narrative. Or if we “blame” the cheater, it’s in terms of “selfish” or something more banal than abuse…

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 month ago

I think Sarah M was referring to this study:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3583221/

Unfortunately (though not surprisingly), the authors try to shift the blame for violence to the wives’ attempts to “control” their husbands’ (fancy free) sexuality. But authors were only able to do this by keeping interview questions very limited and not asking victims, for example, if violence had been preceded by husbands “policing” (through threats, surveillance and coercive control) these victims’ social independence or contact with other men.

Had researchers asked those questions, it might have painted quite a different picture– one in which domestic batterers take great pains to ensure that their victims cannot exercise the same sexual freedom that batterers themselves enjoy.

I Count
I Count
1 month ago

These killings always make my blood run cold. My ex FW was telling my teenage kids I was trying to kill him and them. Luckily, my kids came to me. I was planning to leave but this sped up the timeline to immediately and I got myself and them safely, quietly. My boss became my benfactor and we stayed in a hotel for 2 days and then moved to our freedome crib where we stayed till they finished high school. They go to college at the same school and I moved like an hour away. All about 500 miles from my ex. I often think what he could have done.

Archer
Archer
1 month ago
Reply to  I Count

Mine seemed to randomly accuse me of hating him and even the little one of hating him which I did not recognize as huge red flags of narcissistic projection. He hated US. Little disabled kid and loyal wife. Cheap strip mall escorts were more valuable to FW. Holy moly narcissistic sociopath was projecting!

Elizabeth Lee
Elizabeth Lee
1 month ago
Reply to  I Count

That is terrifying. What they accuse you of is what they are actually doing. I’m so glad you got away because he was starting to make a plan.

new here old chump
new here old chump
1 month ago
Reply to  I Count

So happy you got out and found this place

unluckyseven
unluckyseven
1 month ago

Where cheating and extreme misogyny dovetail 🙁

PrincipledLife
PrincipledLife
1 month ago

Mine threatened my life, violated court orders repeatedly, violated the restraining order, showed signs of severe mental illness on numerous occasions…and the police don’t care. My husband will kill me sooner or later. Now when I hear of stories like Christine Banfield’s and everyone agonizes that she didn’t realize she was in danger and/or didn’t say anything, I understand that she probably did tell people in authority, and they did nothing. Your husband has to smash you in the face for anything to be done, and most of these guys are cowards and won’t take the risk or having something that on their record. People this disordered have no problem at all with killing you…as long as they don’t look bad.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 month ago
Reply to  PrincipledLife

Late forensic researcher Evan Stark and his researcher wife Ann Flitcraft (who were the main spearheads for the criminalization of coercive control and also early founders of the DV shelter movement in the US and UK) argue that, as criminal enforcement against DV increased, more abusers would naturally resort to “subviolent” forms of coercive control.

Like in nature, most predators are terribly concerned with risks to themselves and tend to design their strategies accordingly.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 month ago

On the theory that cheating is simply one manifestation of domestic abuse, I’m with others who suspect that virtually all cheaters harbor violent or murderous impulses towards chumps at some point or other but most remain ineffectual “Walter Mitty” versions of Watts/Peterson/OJ.

I also think this danger can be felt by those around people who harbor violent fantasies no matter how covertly these are expressed because I think humans are wired to intuit when someone in close proximity to them secretly means ill. But I also don’t think the ancient risk management ganglia at the bases of potential victims’ skulls can differentiate between mates’ “impotent” violent fantasies and burgeoning murder plots. That nearly telepathic part of the lizard brain only knows that f*ckery is afoot and will send of all kinds of nervous system signals in warning. But, because cheating is the ultimate “covert” expression of domestic violence, chumps often get their wires crossed because their rational minds simply can’t believe their partners want them harmed or dead much less might be actually planning their harm or deaths.

In any case, murderous cheaters like Banfield make me even more suspicious that many cheaters– particularly the ones who become coercive and abusive to chumps during affairs (which seems to be most)– are sexually wired as rapists and stalkers.

It’s just another one of my armchair theories but it’s particularly stubborn and everything I’ve heard, read and seen only increases the impression. In short, it may be that cheaters are often Walter Mitty would-be rapists who, for most of their lives, have had violent secret fantasies of taking victims by force (might explain the popularity of violent porn among cheaters). Sexual coercion might manifest somewhat differently in she-FWs where they develop violent fantasies towards those who reject them. But, either way, in order to avoid recognizing the violence of their own sexuality (and to stay out of jail), they simply channel the violent rage part of the rape impulse away from the momentary objects of lust and aim it at primary partners.

In the case of serial rapist killers, this bifurcation of sex and aggression might flip where the partner is “spared” while the rage and violence are channeled to outside targets. But, for domestic abusers, the rage is obviously aimed “in.”

I’m not a clinician but from the forensic research I read while training as an advocate suggests that affairs might be the predictabe expression of “splitting” in antisocial personality disorder– the tendency of disordered abusers to divide humanity into “black/white” extremes, radically idealizing some and radically demonizing others. This is said to be a result of traumatized cognitive fracturing in some abused children who, because consciously feeling hatred or expressing hostility towards an abusive parent/caretaker on whom they depend feels life threatening to infants and small children, will mentally separate the parent/caretaker into “good parent” and “bad parent” so that the child will still feel and display loyalty to the abusive parent while the parent is in “nice” mode.

According to some forensic researchers, those who internalize childhood abuse and end up as abusers in their own rights will, in adulthood, continue splitting people close to them into “good/bad” parts or will mentally cast some as “good” and others as “evil” though these polar designations can shift in flash.

So by that token, it seems that if the FW in question were single they would not necessarily have a handy scapegoat on which to project the hatred portion of their sexual aggression so that the object of lust might end up getting the brunt of both “parts” of FWs’ creepy sexuality. But partnered abusers can “split” the sexual object into two parts– one that gets the lust and the other that gets the rage. This way, if the object du jour resists the aggressor’s complete control in any way, the partner can be blamed and punished like the designated whipping boy for this resistance (due to being in the way of twu wuv or due to obstructing whatever the object seems to want).

Of course the problem for APs once chumps are out of the picture is that there’s no longer a scapegoat to absorb FWs’ aggression and it will all fall to APs. But while the triangle is active, I suspect that, for most witting affair partners, affairs are also about replaying horror show childhood scenarios where these individuals learned to sidestep victimization by throwing others in the family under the bus. I think people like this literally have to have a scapegoat to function in any relationship– a third party to absorb the hate and violence.

Anyhoo, until social science stops shying away from studying correlations between cheating and DV, it’s left to survivors and other concerned citizens to speculate if just to dare researchers to get the funding and data to prove us wrong if they can. But I suspect they can’t which is why the studies aren’t being done.

Last edited 1 month ago by Hell of a Chump
NoKibble4U
NoKibble4U
1 month ago

The only time in my life that I have ever been in an ambulance was during my ex FW’s affair (I didn’t know about the affair at the time). I was recovering from ACL reconstruction performed the day before and woke in the middle of the night with excruciating stomach pain. I was pale and sweating – I thought I had a blood clot. I told FW to call 911 and he just stood above me watching me writhe with pain. He had been giving me my pain meds following the surgery. I honestly believe he was trying to kill me or, at the very least, wishing for me to die. The hospital said I was dehydrated, but they never ran any blood tests. (I have had many major surgeries since and have never had any similar issues.)

He left four weeks later after I was given the “I love you like a family member” speech for what turned out to be a 10 year younger OW. They got engaged the next year and have been married for over a decade. He has a similar personality to Chris Watts. Conflict avoidant, nice guy. His mother is exactly like Cindy Watts – controlling and hateful. So much easier to maintain the nice guy image if I died vs outed him for his affair. I think there is definitely a type and I’ll always believe that he tried to kill me.

Archer
Archer
1 month ago
Reply to  NoKibble4U

That nasty pos OW now wife might find herself in the news some day when he tires of her. She has aged 10 years after all.
Thankfully you got away from that monster!

OHFFS
OHFFS
1 month ago
Reply to  NoKibble4U

Sounds like it might have been arsenic poisoning. The main symptoms are severe abdominal pain, vomiting and diarrhea. What a narrow escape!

Shortly after DDay, my FW once stood and watched me have a seizure in which my head was repeatedly hitting the wall. Just stood there watching and did absolutely nothing. After I recovered, he acted shocked when I accused him of wishing me dead.
That was to put him on notice that I knew where his thoughts were going. I also informed him that I had told people what I suspected, so he’d be a fool to try anything.

Archer
Archer
1 month ago
Reply to  OHFFS

This is one of multiple reasons why I tell all and sundry the reason for our divorce. So he wouldn’t think to revisit his prior plans to silence ME permanently and maintain the Nice Guy image

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 month ago
Reply to  NoKibble4U

Personally I think part of the reason that Watts– like most spouse killers– took the risk of killing Shannan was because murder is the only 100% guarantee that an ex won’t move on after divorce. Killing his kids was also the only 100% guarantee they’d never call some other man “daddy.”

There’s something very primitive and dog-with-two-bones about cheaters where, even if they think they’ve chewed everything edible off the first bone will still bury it and growl over the burial site to keep any other dog from getting it.

Archer
Archer
1 month ago
Reply to  NoKibble4U

Trust your gut. I learned that the hard way

susie lee
susie lee
1 month ago

The older I get the more I think that so so many do get away with it. If you have ever felt the hatred aimed at you when you find out what is going on, you just know this is a dangerous situation. Bottom line is the chump is in the way, I assume it does not take much for a diseased mind to turn to murder. After all, most of them got away with a double life for a long time.

2xchump
2xchump
1 month ago

Maria Shriver who is” Friends” with her Ex…

OHFFS
OHFFS
1 month ago

I agree about Ryan. I’m not really sorry he’s dead. Sick freak.

It’s not a coincidence that so many spouse killers are cheaters. It’s all part of the same pathology. I have a suspicion that most cheaters have at least briefly considered it, but fear they’d never get away with it.

Ka-chump
Ka-chump
1 month ago

Sadly not shocking. Their minds are depraved like you can’t believe. There’s whole genres of violent fantasy & perverted porn out there and it has hordes of addicts.

For me I began to sense a a certain deep vile hate during the rapey sex. Once very early he lightly slapped me but never again, but my subconscious knew. I threw away all but 1 small knife but could never articulate why. One night while pregnant I left on foot in winter after a verbally menacing fight, to a stay with a friend a few days … Looking back I was in great danger but in denial consciously.

8 years after the divorce (we had endless custody disputes lasting 19 years till the last kid left) he forced new legal proceedings in which he was very obsessed with demanding I get life insurance (he outlined great detail) with him as beneficiary.

All cheaters especially overtly coercive controlling ones, wish you dead.

Learning
Learning
1 month ago

I agree with all the observations here- there is a tangled spectrum of power, control, objectification and entitlement in their heads.

Infidelity is an act of abuse. Getting rid of the obstacle Chump isn’t a huge leap from their thinking at all.

If human beings are just interchangeable chess pieces to them, than murder can’t feel too difficult. It’s their objectification of us that makes it possible. We become an object and nothing more.

Many of us have felt that bizarre combo of jealousy/control and true hatred.

Our intuitions are our very best friend.

During FW2’s affair (when I still wasn’t completely sure that’s what was happening), we went for a drive about town at night. We sometimes did this, to chat, pick up a take away coffee etc.

At one stage we went through a completely unknown area of terrain – natural reserve within a completely unfamiliar suburban setting.

It didn’t lead anywhere, and there was no purpose for us being there, but he insisted on driving through it.

His manner was odd and to this day I believe that he was scoping the opportunity to do me harm/or was at the very least indulging in the fantasy of it.
Nothing I can prove, but I really felt it.

Orlando
Orlando
1 month ago

Honest to God, FW was so in lust with OW’s double D’s, I’m sure he would’ve murdered me to get to them. I’m not kidding either. I saw the shark eyes when he looked at me just before & after D-day. It’s actually crazy to think I married someone like him. Because there’s no way I would be attracted to him today. We need an X-ray machine to root out these sociopaths.

leoaspen
leoaspen
1 month ago

This terrible tragedy proves that the thought process of cheaters is similar to the thought processes of all criminals, as I already wrote in one of my comments. And this is the result of a “rubbery” morality that can be turned in any direction pleasing to the cheater. 
An affair is a moral crime, and from here it’s just a small step to a physical crime, because for a cheater there is no insurmountable moral barrier to inflict a fatal blow on their victim, mental or physical.
Does that sound too harsh and peremptory? But life shows that infidelity and death go hand in hand. According to the testimony of many betrayed partners, betrayal is worse for them than death of the cheaters or themselves. 
And the issue is not the availability of firearms, because it is not difficult to kill a person in any other way. The question is to what extent society and religion are able to educate people about the inadmissibility of affairs. So far, we see the romanticization of infidelity in movies, on television and in literature, and the church insists on forgiveness and the inviolability of marriage at any cost. The result is obvious.

Archer
Archer
1 month ago
Reply to  leoaspen

In media I think there’s a shortsighted focus on the ONE affair the heart wants what the heart wants. This is often leveraged by cheaters as Twu Luv for impression management.
In reality when you “pan out” to see the bigger picture – horror movie style – it’s revealed this is cheaters 7th affair & that OW howorker is merely one of multiple sidepieces including OF p*rn habit and there’s nothing romantic about a serial cheating lying thief.

ChumpyGirlKC
ChumpyGirlKC
1 month ago

This subject is triggering and hard for me, so much so that it took me an entire day to say anything.

This sort of thing is real and becoming more and more common, sadly.

I should know, as I was almost the wife in this story.

My EXFW#2 attacked me over his phone when I discovered his cheating on it. Threw me to the ground and kept throwing me all over the room, putting me in arm bars and choke holds trying to get it out of my hands. I guess he thought he would have to pry it out of my dead hands, because I wasn’t giving it over. I kept saying, “stop! you are hurting me, I can’t breath!” And then he just choked me harder, the last time so hard I finally lost the ability to speak, let alone breath, and lost consciousness long enough that my body relaxed and he got the phone. I came to once I started getting oxygen again and he was in the corner cowering like a toddler and when I told him (all hoarse and holding my neck), “I’ve already seen it, so might as well hand it over” he kept saying, “It will hurt you, it will hurt you.” But then he handed it to me?! Why almost kill me over the phone and then turn around and hand it to me?

The real crazy part is that I didn’t leave and call the police. I was so traumatized I just froze. I went through the phone in disbelief. This was the love of my life of almost 30 years doing this? If he had kept the pressure on his chokehold a little longer I might had died.

One of our adult son’s urged me to at least document what happened and take pictures of all the bruises that he caused attacking me, and I did. I think that is why he didn’t mess with me about the post-nup I demanded and upon leaving. Also, our other teen son was in the next room and heard it all, so there was a witness.

I got out with my life, thankfully, but barely. I did lose some brain cells when I was without oxygen for those precious seconds, and I am still having some nasty effects from the attack = agoraphobia, PTSD, anxiety, panic attacks, cognition issues, memory issues, etc.

But I know I could have been another statistic like this poor woman in the story. WTF is wrong with these monstrous people? Just get a divorce and go on with your life! They have NO RIGHT to destroy their partners life, let alone kill them.

If you look at statistics of women getting strangled by their SO’s, they are 700% more likely to die at the partners hands later. And the info also states that it does in fact destroy brain cells and the person can still die weeks or months later due to tearing of neck arteries. It can also cause other physical symptoms, several of which I had right after and still have today, like I said above. But that 700% number is hard to ignore.

I am grateful to still be alive, but want to share my story to prove that it can happen and for people to be careful. And leaving can be the most dangerous time. So have friends or family help you. Contact a battered women’s shelter if need be. Whatever it takes and keep it secret from your cheater/abuser. Just get out and be safe!

Last edited 1 month ago by ChumpyGirlKC
Archer
Archer
1 month ago
Reply to  ChumpyGirlKC

Whew so glad you got out. Money go physical towards the end but I had a already figured out he had considered fatal accident for me involved hiring someone.
Narcissistic sociopaths who should have never married any of us chumps

ChumpyGirlKC
ChumpyGirlKC
1 month ago
Reply to  Archer

Glad you got out with your life as well. They can be super charming people or super scary. Depends on their mood and agenda I guess.

Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
1 month ago
Reply to  ChumpyGirlKC

You reminded me of the Walker Railey case. Railey was a prominent clergyman in Dallas in the 80s. He was having an affair and wanted to marry his side piece, but of course, that wouldn’t look so good for a clergyman to do that. Anyway, someone attacked his wife in the garage of their home when he was, supposedly, away from home with his side piece. She didn’t die, but she experienced hypoxia and remained in a vegetative state until she died in 2011.

He was charged in the murder and tried in the early 90s, but he was acquitted. No one else was ever charged in the attack. His wife’s family sued him for damages, and received an award, but he declared bankruptcy, so the award was set aside. He eventually divorced his wife, moved out of state, and remarried although not to the side piece.

Quite a story, no? One has to wonder who would be dumb enough to marry a man who almost certainly k*lled his first wife.

I forgot to mention their children, who were in the house when the attack happened. AFAIK, they’ve never spoken publicly about anything they may have seen or heard.

ChumpyGirlKC
ChumpyGirlKC
1 month ago

Yeah, quite the sad story. And like you said, who in their right mind would marry someone they know has that background? It’s one thing to wake up one day and discover that your partner is not who they portrayed themselves to be, but something like this all over the news and you know about it…lunacy.

The kids, I had 2 in the house at the time of my attack but the younger one, a teen at the time, heard it the entire attack right next to his room and thought that the FW had killed me (because I was no longer shouting “Stop! You’re hurting me, I can’t breathe”. I had resorted to “tapping out” on FW’s arm frantically) and sadly, our son thought he was next. He thought he as going to die. He is disabled and was terrified because he could not run away if needed. That is the saddest part of my story. Had to get him therapy and neurofeedback and he’s better now, but still has lingering effects. Makes me so sad. And angry.

Our other son, was in his finished basement area on the other side of the house and just thought we were arguing. He said later he would always feel terrible that he didn’t come up to see what was going on and intervened. So he was affected too.

But sociopaths don’t care.

And a side note: I get confused between affect vs effect, so don’t judge my grammar skills! I also had trouble telling left from right as a child. lol

Last edited 1 month ago by ChumpyGirlKC
Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
1 month ago
Reply to  ChumpyGirlKC

What a terrible story. I’m so sorry y’all went through that.

MrsCrumpetChump
MrsCrumpetChump
1 month ago
Reply to  ChumpyGirlKC

Ohhh poor you and your boys… crying now, esp for your scared son who thought he was next. 😢😢 Strong lady to carry your boys beyond that terrifying experience.

Ariel
Ariel
1 month ago
Reply to  ChumpyGirlKC

CGKC – I’m so glad you got through it and got out. Thank you for sharing your story. Hugs and love to you.

ChumpyGirlKC
ChumpyGirlKC
1 month ago
Reply to  Ariel

Thanks so much!

Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
1 month ago

“It makes me wonder how many FWs get away with it.” I’d guess quite a few, in the US anyway, because half of all murders in the US every year are unsolved. Of course, spouses are usually the first suspect, but if they arrange a credible alibi, they may get away with it.

Archer
Archer
1 month ago

Well AP are readily available alibi so I agree quite a few FW get away with murder.

My guess is many other FW simply let their chumps perish by neglecting them during illness. My belief is when chumps get cancer or are worn out from caring for a dying parent, these FW pounce because they smell vulnerability therefore an opportunity to get rid of the chump without jail time/consequences.