He Chose the Affair Partner Over Me and Our Child

chose affair partner

They have an infant daughter and she is worried that her boyfriend chose the affair partner over her and their child. Now he’s acting sorry, but the affair doesn’t seem to be over.

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Dear Chump Lady,

I found out my boyfriend of 5 years cheated on me with an employee of his from January to May.

At the time, I was 3 months postpartum when it started and beyond devastated when it happened, I never expected it from him especially as we had just had our first child and just brought our first home. 

I can’t help but think of the affair 24/7. It lives in my head rent free. We had 4 or 5 false reconciliations, each time my boyfriend kept in contact with the affair partner. 

I just can’t wrap my head around the fact he could do this to me when I need him most and when there’s an innocent child in the mix. Now of all the times for him to cheat, why now? 

I can’t get over the fact he chose his affair partner and her feelings over me and his child.

He claimed she was suicidal, so he stayed in contact. He also mentioned on D-Day he was suicidal and he thought I would rather he talk to AP than him end his life. She is the last person on earth I ever thought he would go for. When I first saw her WhatsApp profile photo I thought it was one of his aunties. She looks much older even though she’s a year younger (I’m 25), she has slept with her manager who was married and had kids, was a former prostitute, works at a warehouse with little ambition, posts revealing photos on online and has an accent that he has mocked since when we first met.

The fact she was desperate enough to be an AP apparently wasn’t a red flag to him. It was apparently only questionable, but he continue to say she was attractive and ‘nice’. Not to be big headed, but I am far better looking and posses much better qualities inside and out. His friends and family all adore me and make statements such as ‘if the girl isn’t like (me) then they wouldn’t make them their girlfriend’, not to mention several have flirted with me. 

He claims before and after that I’m perfect but he still cheated and made someone else a priority even when AP insulted me he continued to talk to her. I’m baffled how there is nothing that she can do or be that would stop him from seeing her.

Only recently he stopped and has been making amends, but I’m wary. 

How do I stop obsessing over the affair daily and all the things that just do make sense?  

Sincerely,

Thoroughly Confused

(Editor’s note: Chump Lady asked for some more information…)

P.S.

I would struggle to support our daughter by myself since it would mean also covering the mortgage, but my parents have offered financial support. But, I’m reluctant to accept since I don’t want to burden them. 

He’s made all of this about him and his mental health issues.

He even said it’s the worst day of his life when D-Day happened, I asked him what about me? And how it’s the worst of my life. He’s a very controlling person and I’m scared to leave my daughter with him. She’s still under a year. He doesn’t actively participate as a parent. For example, he doesn’t even bother to give her food and will wait for me, even if I’m gone most of the day. He claims I’m the only one that knows how to feed her?? Which makes me wonder if staying a year and getting a better job and some savings may be the best choice since by 2 she’ll at least be able to talk.

He said he didn’t have that ‘feeling’ and fell out of love.

He claims he has the feeling now and has been looking for rings. Before and during the affair he said he didnt believe in long-term relationships or marriage. Thought it was pointless. Then when he ended things with AP it all changed. I still don’t exactly know how it ended or the circumstance of it ending. If the impact of the situation — which pushed me to the point of being unable to produce any milk to breastfeed our daughter who couldn’t take formula — didn’t make him stop, I don’t know what will. So far, he made me the recipient of his life insurance, but there’s no real commitment since we’re not married.

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Dear Thoroughly Confused,

Whether he chose the affair partner over you or not is the least of your problems. She could be your golden ticket out of this clusterfuck. But I realize that’s hard to comprehend at this moment.

Let’s break this down. We’ve got several issues to address.

Let’s take these one by one.

You bred with a FW who isn’t legally committed to you.

You have been with a controlling man since you were 20 and now you have a child with him. Heck, you hardly had a chance to grow up to be your own person. Instead, you’ve been waging a five-year long battle to get a man who told you his is NOT into long-term relationships or marriage to be a stable partner, and now parent.

This is a losing battle. Look, I’m not beating you up. You’re young and many of us here bred with fuckwits. (Raising my hand.) Some of us were duped by people who feigned commitments they would not uphold, but this guy pretty much told you who he was — a selfish bastard. He’s not going to step up to the plate and be a responsible parent. Which leaves you the law.

See an attorney. Talk about getting child support enforced. Discuss ways out of that mortgage and recouping whatever investment you have in shared property. People divide assets ever. single. day. Document everything you do for your daughter and every thing he does NOT do. Time stamp it. The law is based on evidence and you need to come armed with it. I don’t know the laws in the UK, but you could ask to terminate his parental rights. You could ask for child support. You could ask for total custody and work out some supervised visitation while your daughter is young.

He’s controlling and you’re financially vulnerable.

If I were you, I’d take your parents up on their offer and move back home. Live with them until you’re self-supporting. Do NOT live with an abusive, controlling partner.

You’re the sane parent now for your little girl. It’s time to put her first and see the situation with complete lucidity. Let the dream die. He is not a committed partner. He does not have your daughter or your best interests at heart. His ACTIONS say that. I don’t care what kind of jewelry he buys or bullshit promises he makes. YOU have to save YOU. That means saying goodbye to the property you share and the fairytale you thought you were living.

It’s much saner and happier over here in reality. You’ll grieve what you thought it was, but in time, you’ll look back on this guy as a sperm donor and a clown unworthy of you.

You’re in a pick me dance with the affair partner.

This is the problem you asked me about. And it’s irrelevant. The advice you need is above. But you’re not the first person to wonder why FWs make the dunderheaded decisions they do. It’s not about if he chose the skanky affair partner over you. It’s about him being an abusive fuckwit. He wins the suck trophy. She’s just a weapon to bludgeon you with. And if it wasn’t her, it would be some other willing orifice.

I just can’t wrap my head around the fact he could do this to me when I need him most

He did this precisely now when you need him most, because you’re vulnerable. And that power imbalance turns him on. Your weakness gives him greater control.

and when there’s an innocent child in the mix.

He doesn’t care about your daughter. That’s obvious from his actions. Loving people do not cheat on pregnant partners. They care if their infants are hungry. They show up.

He claimed she was suicidal, so he stayed in contact.

How noble. He could’ve called the emergency psych services. From a distance.

But even if her mental distress is true, why again is he choosing a vulnerable person? Why is he engaging in behavior that makes a suicidal woman MORE vulnerable? The pick me dance goes both ways.

even when AP insulted me he continued to talk to her. I’m baffled how there is nothing that she can do or be that would stop him from seeing her.

He wants to maintain the pick me dance.

And he doesn’t care who it hurts, so long as it feeds his ego.

I am far better looking and posses much better qualities inside and out.

That’s why you’re the public-facing girlfriend and she’s the dirty secret. But you can both be swapped out for other playthings in his narcissist drama. No one is special.

He said he didn’t have that ‘feeling’ and fell out of love.

I fell out of love and I hit a man with a shovel. See how ridiculous that sounds? His falling out of love has exactly zero to do with cheating on you while pregnant. His feelings are not excuses for abuse.

He even said it’s the worst day of his life when D-Day happened

Confused, you have nothing to work with. Please get out. This is classic DARVO. He’s making himself the victim here. Who suffers more.

He’s a very controlling person and I’m scared to leave

And this is why you need professional help. A women’s shelter. Your family. A therapist. An attorney. Your doctor. Assemble a team. He IS a controlling person. And these people are difficult to untangle yourself from, but a few million of us here at Chump Nation have done it and you can do it too. The first step is getting your head straight.

You’re not “Thoroughly Confused” — you’ve been mindfucked. Clarity comes with no contact. Put some distance between yourself and this FW today. Big ((hugs)) of support. You can do it.

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Reading Lass
Reading Lass
1 year ago

Move out and document the state of the house as you go. Inform the mortgage company. That will guarantee your stake in the house is respected. Given your parental support I expect your parents would be quite happy to take the baby to a play centre once a week so FW can have supervised visitation, but check that suggestion out with a solicitor.

Leedy
Leedy
1 year ago
Reply to  Reading Lass

I just want to second Stepbystep’s point, emphatically: “Your next steps are quiet and calculated.”

Stepbystep
Stepbystep
1 year ago
Reply to  Reading Lass

I’m going to be rude (many apologies) and jump to the front of the que with a reminder for this young, vulnerable chump. Do not share this blog or advice with your FW. Your next steps are quiet and calculated. Do not risk your safety or jeopardize a future legal agreement. If he threatens suicide or violence, leave and call emergency responders.

Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
1 year ago
Reply to  Stepbystep

And don’t agree to ANYTHING until you’ve talked to a lawyer. Be noncommittal if he pressures you. “Uh huh.” “OK, I’ll think about it.” Etc. And don’t sign anything!!!

lulutoo
lulutoo
1 year ago
Reply to  Stepbystep

Someone once told me, “When you are ‘confused’, then someone is CON-ning you are you are FUSED into them.” That has helped me a lot and I think that is the case here. Best wishes to you.

lulutoo
lulutoo
1 year ago
Reply to  lulutoo

should be, someone is CON-ning you AND you are FUSED into them.

LookingForwardsToTuesday
LookingForwardsToTuesday
1 year ago

TC,

You are a sane and rational person looking to understand why your Cheater has done and continues to do the things he does. From personal experience, trying to understand a Cheater and their motivations from a sane person’s perspective is setting yourself up to fail.

They do these things because they can.

They do these things because they get a perverse pleasure from them, even when it involves them hurting others.

They do these things because they do not care about how they impact others.

They do these things because all that matters is their pleasure “in the moment.”

They do these things because they only care about themselves.

And they do these things because they believe that no-one has the right to levy consequences for their actions upon them.

As regards the way forwards, protect yourself, protect your child, get legally enforceable agreements in place (eg custody and child support) and then create a new and better future for yourself and your child. It is a long and hard path to follow, but CL’s advice should help steer you in the right direction.

Lastly, I would say that your Cheater has shown you who he really is; believe him and know that you do not owe him reconciliation and you are not responsible for fixing his disfunction.

You new tribe (AKA Chump Nation) is here for you.

LFTT

ChumpDchump
ChumpDchump
1 year ago

Perfectly said. TC is in crisis mode and needs to focus on making one productive decision at a time and getting safe. But, the short answer to “who would do this?!” (that we all ask ourselves) is: terrible, selfish, narcissistic, abusive a$$holes. She can’t understand it because his brain works differently than hers.

However, if understanding how his brain works helps her navigate his disfunction, I would add to your list that centrality is his oxygen. A relationship with a narcissist is like holding a wolf by its ears, but if you throw a baby in the mix, they are no longer central and it makes them have the sadz.

Also, TC should get tested yesterday.

Mehitable
Mehitable
1 year ago
Reply to  ChumpDchump

Excellent advice, especially about testing. I personally like to give some idea of what the FW is like or why they are doing these things because one of the hardest things sometimes to get a victim like TC to do, is to realize how BAD her BF is and how much she needs to get away from him to re-start her life with her child. We make excuses for them or blame ourselves and they’re very good at eliciting these types of responses. There can be so much pressure to stay with someone “for the sake of the child/ren” and that usually leads to many more years of misery. The man is no good, he probably never will be any good – usually they DON’T change, and she has to realize this in her heart so she can make the better decision to seek help and leave and not be involved with this man who will only bring her and baby down.

LookingForwardsToTuesday
LookingForwardsToTuesday
1 year ago
Reply to  ChumpDchump

CDC,

I suspect that, in this case, the Cheater will look to exploit the child to reinforce their centrality. The whole thing about the Cheater not feeding the child while its mother was away feels like “if you show independence or agency I will hurt our child and it will be your fault.” A real case of the Cheater saying “Look what you made me do” if ever I saw one.

LFTT

Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
1 year ago

That was also child neglect!!! Which is a crime.

ThoroughlyConfused.
ThoroughlyConfused.
8 months ago

Just to clarify there was no neglect or abuse he wouldn’t do that

EZ
EZ
1 year ago

Thank you for putting another puzzle piece in place. I could never figure out why FW would “forget” to feed his own kid when we were married. Even when I would remind him of meal times and prep the food. This is the best explanation I’ve seen yet. What a fucker.

Edited to add – oh, and now I understand now why makes a big deal of telling me he has fed the child while he was taking care of him. Centrality and kibbles. That makes me want to spew.

Last edited 1 year ago by EZ
Mehitable
Mehitable
1 year ago

I mean……how can you NOT feed the baby? For one thing it’s cruel…but also, that kid probably starts screaming. I don’t want to frighten Mama but that’s sometimes when men can become abusive with children. I would NOT leave him alone with this baby especially as he’s denying it basic care.

Magnolia
Magnolia
1 year ago
Reply to  Mehitable

Argh, this makes me so mad. It’s weaponized incompetence. “Look, TC, I can’t handle the baby! She might die if left in my care!” So now you don’t leave her with him. Great, now, he’s got his free time!

I second all the comments about this being a sign of potential for child abuse. That’s not something you want to “work around.”

I can’t imagine genuine attraction to a man surviving this kind of reveal of character. I can only imagine the turn to a fear and ‘pick-me’ cycle, where what used to look and feel like love and intimacy is just him throwing a bit of fake kindness at you every now and then to make sure you stay bonded.

I hope his carelessness with a baby is enough to light your fury.

ChumpDchump
ChumpDchump
1 year ago

Dammit, you’re right.

Elsie_
Elsie_
1 year ago

As CL often says, we have to trust that they suck. They won’t get better, and they may well get worse. I get that it’s hard to take the steps needed to end it, but looking back, you’ll be glad you did.

Mine was a marriage of several decades and two college kids. It was still worth it.

Attie
Attie
1 year ago

The biggest thing that jumped out at me was that he doesn’t feed your daughter, even if you are gone all day!!!! That is abuse! What happens if you are gone for whatever reasons, she’s cranky because she’s hungry and FW has had enough of her crying! I don’t even want to go there. Please get out, take your parents up on their offer and get yourself and your daughter somewhere safe!

Mehitable
Mehitable
1 year ago
Reply to  Attie

I agree, that is my fear too. I would NOT trust him alone with this baby. Not feeding a baby is ABUSE. I would not trust this man with my child.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 year ago
Reply to  Attie

It’s violence. Anyone who could both cause and tolerate the unnecessary suffering and weeping of a starving baby is likely capable of anything.

New Beginnings
New Beginnings
1 year ago
Reply to  Attie

This was my first thought as well!

ChumpDchump
ChumpDchump
1 year ago
Reply to  Attie

Yeah, at best this guy should be limited to supervised visitation.

walkbymyself
walkbymyself
1 year ago

Tracey, you are absolutely. on target here.

I can speak from personal experience here: you are looking for answers, for “closure”, or for some level of self-awareness from this guy. You know what he’s seeing? He’s seeing more opportunities for manipulation. Full stop.

Your mental fog will begin to clear when the manipulation stops.

Orlando
Orlando
1 year ago

Here’s the thing I’ve come to realize: people who do this aren’t very deep in their love, their love is shallow & self-serving. This is what you’re up against. People like this will never love you in any meaningful way. They will always hurt you. Big hurts or by a thousand little ones. I love living my life now without the pick me dancing, without someone criticizing me or looking at me disdainfully or not caring about how I’m doing…this is the abusive behaviours that I no longer have to endure. I have come to love myself & to take care of me. By demonstrating this to my kids, they are also learning to love themselves & not accept disrespect or ill treatment. I hope you gift yourself & your daughter with the same 💗

Josh McDowell
Josh McDowell
1 year ago

Leave. You are young, healthy, kind, and have a beautiful life ahead of you. The disordered will never change, you can and will and others will see that.

JeffWashington
JeffWashington
1 year ago

I’ve got Bingo!

-Went shopping for errant sex when you were too busy handling his responsibility(parenting) or otherwise needed to take the focus away from his grandiosity
-“California Roll” with stopping the affair when confronted(slowed down while looking both ways but kept going)
-(Free Space) “Breaking your heart with my fuck-wittery is harder on me than it is on you.”
-“It turns out that I’m really not about that commitment-life after all.”
-Ethically compromised behavior doesn’t stop at adultery(banging a co-worker/subordinate.)

Stop the dance. I imagine you are tired enough-what with the infant and all.

He already betrayed you and your child. He has no intention of stopping.

He is not going to change no matter how hard you love him. Becoming a father did not transform him-it showed who he really is-a fuckwit. There will be no healing him. He will not heal in the place where he decided to get sick.

You made some decisions that turned out to be mistakes. They were made with love and the best information that you had to work with at the time. His were not. You did not choose to be betrayed or abused. This is not your fault.

And I am sorry that his decisions have created life long issues.

You have come to the right place.

You do get to choose to cut him out. He has already picked the other woman(and it would be a DAMN SHAME if HIS superiors found out about this-though they will figure it out before long I suspect). Let her have the shiny turd and get your freedom back. And ESPECIALLY don’t let your kid think that sort of behavior is normal(you will forgive me if my own therapy has taken the direction of dealing with the messages of my own mother being a serial cheater and how that effected my feelings of self worth.)

You owe him nothing. All of the old pacts and covenants were dissolved the moment he crossed the line(and moreso when there were false reconciliations.)

WalkawayWoman
WalkawayWoman
1 year ago

When I was with the Lying Cheating Loser, I was so contemptuous of his myriad APs, fuckbuddies, sextbuddies etc. I referred to them collectively as the Broken Bitch Brigade.

In contrast to me (obviously), the strong, independent survivor, the walkaway woman who took no shit.

Yeah, right…

We were all broken. We were all vulnerable. Nobody was superior, though some were more lucky.

One of the reasons I still read CL, over five years after I finally walked away from that abusive sociopath, is how Tracy helps me reframe untrue and unhelpful narratives and make me a better, kinder human.

FWs seek out vulnerable targets. It’s that simple.

Mehitable
Mehitable
1 year ago
Reply to  WalkawayWoman

“how Tracy helps me reframe untrue and unhelpful narratives and make me a better, kinder human.” THIS over and over. This is true for me too, and not just about the specific topic of infidelity but about life and relationships in general.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 year ago

Save for flying fists and tire irons, Confused is describing a potential batterer. A lot of what Confused wrote (which may be leaving a lot out) raises some serious red flags.

It’s not just that virtually all batterers cheat due to whatever attachment disorder/personality disorder also drives domestic abuse. It’s not just that Confused’s controlling partner is giving every indication that he quite spookily shares the classic, telltale, truly bizarre batterer trait of becoming more abusive (in whatever way) towards a pregnant partner/postpartum partner (why victims are at greatest statistical risk of lethal violence from abusive partners during pregnancy/postpartum). But the threat of self violence and the fact he puts an infant’s health at risk (in the not-quite-post-covid period??) by not feeding the child for extended periods.

Holy crap. One can only imagine how the baby cries and shows distress during those times yet this individual has such deeply impaired empathy– possibly even sadistic tendencies– that he’s able to ignore that distress. Never mind how this abuser’s traumatizing behavior during Confused’s pregnancy has been clinically shown to damage infants’ immune systems and future neurological functioning (maternal cortisol spikes from severe stress are toxic to fetuses. Clearly Confused’s cortisol was so high it impaired milk supply); never mind how stressing an infant by withholding nourishment or even liquid can continue to impair that child’s development and immune functioning. The fact alone that this guy can ignore signs of extreme distress in a baby or any human being is terrifying. Consequently, if I were calculating statistical risks in some official capacity, I would put Confused and her baby in a very high risk category for future injury or worse.

When I worked in advocacy back in the day, I was shocked at how much nuanced information there was to learn regarding abusers’ behavior, entrapping tactics, MOs and psychological freakery. Then once I started to comprehend the statistical risks of DV and massive costs to society, I was even more shocked that people aren’t being trained to recognize the signs and understand and resist (which requires understanding) the tactics by middle school. In this case I would encourage Confused to immediately seek resources related to Coercive Control (there are several in the UK) and start getting a crash course in recognizing the behaviors she’s being subjected to for what they are and, in doing so, gaining some perspective on and resistance against how these abusive behaviors have entrapped her both mentally and realistically.

Though fortunately in the UK there are criminal laws against coercive control, I’m not there and the laws are so new it’s hard to know how enforcement works in realistic contexts. Plus, from what Confused has written, this abuser appears to be engaging in coercive control in a tricky, indirect way that may or may not meet the criminal standard for coercive control. I think the abusive partner’s endangering refusal to feed a vulnerable infant until the victim rushes back home could potentially qualify as criminal coercive control because he is essentially “flexing” and demonstrating his capacity to do real harm to a child unless the victim gets back in her isolation box at home. Flexing that capacity is as good as telling the victim that he is similarly capable of endangering/injuring her though, as we all know, threats to a child are far more shattering than even direct threats to ourselves. Make no mistake: this is violence.

But other things he’s doing might fall short of establishing a criminal pattern of coercion. For instance, it seems he did the typical abuser “oblique threat of violence” by threatening suicide if he didn’t get his way. Make no mistake that, regardless of official interpretation, this reads as a direct threat of violence to most people’s hardwired, ancient lizard brain response to danger because

1) Deep down in our guts/lizard brains, we all know how easily “violence turned inwards” can suddenly turn outward and statistics back this up. People who threaten or engage in suicidal behavior are statistically far more likely to be violent to others. To our lizard brains, violence is violence is violence and any threat of it will– depending on individual resources to escape or lack thereof– drive the recipients of these threats to either fight/flee or freeze/fawn (aka, captor bonding/Stockholm syndrome);

2) Threatening to kill himself while his partner and infant are financially dependent is a not-so-subtle attack on the latter’s survival. Financial abuse and threats of financial ruin– particularly when children are involved– are officially viewed as “intimate partner violence” in expert circles;

3) Once someone indicates that they may kill themselves due to something their victim does or doesn’t do, they are automatically setting up a threatening dynamic under which they may very well perceive the victim deserves violence (being that the victim is, according to the abuser, threatening the life of the abuser).

Also remember the adage that “every accusation from a narcissist is a confession.” If an abusive individual accuses a victim of trying to kill them or claims the victim’s actions could lead to the abuser’s death, this should be interpreted as the abuser feeling justified in killing the victim or imperiling the latter’s survival in some way.

One important event has arisen due to the movement to criminalize coercive control, which is to finally correct the old-timey false, cartoon notion that batterers beat up their partners up 24/7. Through forty or more years of exhaustive clinical and social research, advocates like forensic psychologist Evan Stark have demonstrated that patterns of subviolent abuse like coercive control are the best statistical predictors of eventual violence and that roughly half of all domestic violence murders were not preceded by any previous reports of violence. Frequent direct violence or any violence aren’t even necessary to terrorize most victims into complete paralysis. Instead most abusers engage in coercive control to maintain their victims’ constant state of anxiety and fear which is why most survivors cite psychological abuse and control to be far more damaging than violent assault.

Just two afterthoughts regarding certain “nuanced” bits of information on domestic violence dynamics that I think most people don’t hear about or consider:

–If the choice of an affair partner seems confusing (due to the typical cultural myth that people only cheat with more attractive, sexy, more charming, etc., affair partners), consider the idea that affair partners are chosen for the latter’s potential to help harm the primary partner. Through the lens that cheating is an oblique expression of rage/punishment towards a primary partner (almost like the abuser is doing it in place of the deeper drive to, say, club the victim to death) then it makes perfect sense that the abuser, when searching for a partner in proverbial (or actual) crime, would plum the gutter to find the worst co-scumbag they could.

— It’s a mistake to assume that victims cling harder to cheating abusers out of pure jealousy or possessiveness. In days of yore this used to be seen as proof that victims really liked being abused. But instead it’s typically because victims of coercive control sense in their guts that their abusers relative “mercy” may hinge on victims’ sexual “usefulness.” The idea is that why would an abuser kill the person they still want to fuck? So it would follow that the threat of being sexually replaced signals that the abusers’ gloves might be really coming off and the abuse could increase to the point of threatening victims’ survival. In situations where it is difficult for victims to leave (lack of resources or the statistically valid fear that the abuse may spiral the moment the victim attempts to escape), it’s a typical panicked response to try to mitigate the seeming cause of increased sense of risk by trying to prevent themselves from being replaced. It shouldn’t be confused with “masochism” since it’s actually an understandable attempt– knee-jerk, short-sighted and panicked as it is– to promote survival. Of course the panic makes it hard for victims to understand that the real threat comes from the abuser themselves, not the abuser’s choice of co-conspiritor.

— Cheating by an abuser may in itself be a red flag for future violence. Certain abusers tend to cheat precisely because they are catastrophically ashamed of their own pathological, infantile dependency on primary partners (due to whatever horror show, zero sum game upbringing that turned them into abusers). It’s arguably related to something termed “masked dependency” in social research (Erich Fromm). The idea is that the abuser will go to any length to conceal/mask this infantile dependency from others and from themselves. In that view, cheating could arguably be an attempt by abusers to hedge bets against pathological fear of abandonment or an attempt to “dilute” the abusers’ dependency on a primary partner by spreading it out among more than one partner. It could also be an attempt to mask dependency by “displacing” that fear of abandonment onto the victim (inducing the victim to become clingy to prevent being replaced) by engaging in symbolic abandonment of the victim.

But because this pathological terror of abandonment also tends to trigger feelings of rage and resentment towards primary partners in abusers (as they paranoically imagine that their victims cultivate and enjoy this power), this might explain why, statistically, abusers who “mask” their dependency can also be the most dangerous when victims attempt to escape. By the same token, because of the typical element of triangulation in affairs where knowing affair partners are deputized by abusers to exhibit hostility towards betrayed primary partners, It can be a lethal mistake to assume that all cheaters are exit-cheating and are dismissing primary partners because that view fails to predict the potentially violent, even lethal efforts these abusers will make to bring their victims back under control. From a paper on domestic violence: Emotional Attachments in Abusive Relationships.

As the power imbalance magnifies, the subjugated person feels more negative in
their self-appraisal, more incapable of fending for themselves, and is, thus, increasingly
more in need of the dominator. This cycle of relationship-produced dependency and
lowered self-esteem is repeated, eventually creating a strong affective bond from the
low to high power person. Concommitantly, the person in the high power position
develops an inflated sense of their own power (just as the low power person develops
an exaggerated sense of their own powerlessness) which masks the extent to which they [the abusers] are dependent on the low power person to maintain their feeling of, as Fromm (1973) put it, “the transformation of impotence into omnipotence” (p. 322).

This omnipotence, however, is predicated on the dominator’s ability to maintain
absolute control in the dyadic relationship. When the symbiotic roles which maintain
this sense of power are disturbed, the masked dependency of the dominator on the
subjugated person is suddenly revealed. One example of this sudden reversal of the
power dynamic is the desperate control attempts on the part of the abandoned battering
husband to bring his wife back (through surveillance, intimidation, etc.).

Mehitable
Mehitable
1 year ago

I agree with you, these are my concerns as well. He is abusive to the baby in not feeding it, I can’t imagine not doing that even if I were nervous about it, she could teach me what the minimum was. But this is abuse. And his threatening suicide shows that even if he doesn’t mean it, he is unstable and threatening violence to himself. My father used to threaten shit like this – don’t stay with someone who does this stuff. I would not trust this man with my child.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 year ago
Reply to  Mehitable

Do you remember that “let them cry it out” campaign compelling parents to let their infants cry themselves to sleep to train babies to sleep through the night? I could never do it. My kids’ distress would always compel me to rush to their aid. Maybe because my mother was in her forties when she had me and her parents were both seventh children of much older parents, I was reared on this very old-timey concept that, if a baby is crying, you nurse and attend to it to keep the poor thing from dying.

Mehitable
Mehitable
1 year ago

YES…..that is actually depicted in “Gone with the Wind”! (I come back to that movie so often because it depicts so many things about human behavior that I think are true.) Rhett takes little Bonny – I think she’s about 4 – to London and she’s always been terrified of the dark, as some kids are. I think I was too. The nanny there (Scarlet stayed in the US) put the lights out, despite knowing Bonny was afraid of the dark, and told Rhett that she should just cry it out otherwise she’d grow up to be weak and cowardly. He had a purple hemorrhage and fired her on the spot. Yes, people used to think like that and a child should never left to just cry for extended periods. It teaches them that no one will help them or come for them when they are afraid or in discomfort for whatever reason and sets up a whole chain of negative feelings about themselves. No, if a baby is crying – or an older child – you try to sooth it and figure out what’s wrong and provide help if it seems something more serious. Some children actually have health problems that go undetected for some time because parents may not pick up on cues like crying. And beyond that, it’s just a heartless thing to do – how can you not comfort some little thing that’s in distress, I can’t imagine that.

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Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 year ago
Reply to  Mehitable

It depends on the culture but I think my mother’s rural Scandinavian ancestors tended to co-sleep, wear babies in slings and nurse on demand because it was too easy for infants to die in the howling tundra. She naturally did the same with me despite being a career woman in NYC and I found I was helplessly compelled to do the same with my kids. I got a beautiful and very expensive crib as a gift during the first pregnancy but it was literally never used except maybe to hold one bub while the other was being diapered. It was turned into a nice porch bench.

Nemo
Nemo
1 year ago

HoaC, I love how you educate us. Please don’t ever stop.

Thoroughly Confused, you are young, bright, loving, and hard-working. You think you can fix this with your youthful energy, smarts, love, and hard hard work!

No, honey. You can’t. The hardest things for chumps to face are: (1) You can’t fix your cheater. (2) Your cheater doesn’t care about you. Oh, maybe a teeny bit, but not anywhere near enough.

Thoroughly Confused, please heed HoaC and all the other very experienced commentators. Heed the three C’s: You did not CAUSE this, you cannot CONTROL this, you cannot CURE this.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 year ago
Reply to  Nemo

Nemo– I love how loving and empathic you are with your message to Confused. Yes, what you said.

Winnie
Winnie
1 year ago

He refuses to feed his baby and makes her wait all day to eat?
Girl, RUN!!!!!

Mehitable
Mehitable
1 year ago
Reply to  Winnie

It occurred to me that he doesn’t want to deal with changing the diaper so if you don’t feed Baby….no pee/poop. I hope Baby at least gets water/liquid. I would NOT leave a baby alone with this man. Nor should he have visitation or custody in my opinion, he’s unstable and abusive.

Cam
Cam
1 year ago

You’ve already gotten great advice here but I’ll just add: The ONLY winning move here is to walk away.

You will never change him. You will never force him to care. You will never “earn” his love.

He will never stop cheating and lying. He will never stop abusing you.

He. won’t. change.

Please take the excellent advice you’ve received here and leave this asshole. You’ll end up at the same dead end if you don’t, only it could be 20 years from now and you’ll be facing much steeper losses: more mistresses, more lies, STDs, staring down the barrel of no retirement because he spent all your money chasing women, traumatized kids, the realization that you wasted your life with this maniac.

Cut your losses now. You’ll have worse losses if you stay.

FYI_
FYI_
1 year ago

Just move in with your parents. Move in with your parents. Move in with your parents.

Get away from this loser.

THEN, get a lawyer.

Ruby Gained A Life
Ruby Gained A Life
1 year ago
Reply to  FYI_

I’ve left two abusive husbands, one who actually tried to murder me and the other who kept trying on fatal “accidents” for me. The most important thing you can do is save your life and your child’s life. Don’t telegraph your plans to leave your abuser until you are actually safe elsewhere.

Get away from this loser – but don’t “move” yet. Just get away — tell him you’re visiting your parents, or your grandparents or your best friend. Take with you only what you would take for such a visit. If possible, gather your important papers (birth certificates, passports, papers proving ownership of your home, whatever), prescription medications, back-ups of your most important computer files, passwords, etc. and store them elsewhere where he cannot reach them. But the most important things are you, your child and any pets you might have. Since the most dangerous time in an abusive relationship is when you leave, talk about leaving, or have just left you must be willing to sacrifice stuff. Stuff is replaceable. You may be able to get it after you’re safe — I did — but your safety comes first.

Then get a lawyer — before the loser knows you’ve left him. Do whatever the lawyer recommends to protect your stake in the house, custody of your child and possible child support.

After the loser is served with whatever — motion for sole custody, child support, whatever, get some friends to help you move your stuff out while he’s at work. Or leave the stuff. I still miss my grandmother’s engagement ring, my great-grandfather’s antique dresser, and some other sentimental things — but my grandmother and great-grandfather would have wanted me to be safe.

Most importantly — don’t tell anyone about your plans who might tell the loser. Leaving is the most dangerous time — he won’t want to lose control of his “wife-appliance” or his child, even if he’s not really interested in either of you.

Good luck!

FYI_
FYI_
1 year ago

Agree. I spoke too soon out of fear for LW’s situation. “Visit” the parents, get a lawyer, secure legal issues related to the house before “moving.”

Mehitable
Mehitable
1 year ago

I’m so sorry, Thoroughly, just so sorry for what you are going through with this asshole. And that’s what he is…..an asshole. I don’t know how much older than you he is, maybe you’re close in age or maybe he’s older but I think he targeted you, perhaps unconsciously, because you seemed like a good victim to him. People like him are criminals in nature – they think like criminals regardless of their actions….the main thing all criminals have in common is….THEY ALL WANT WHAT YOU HAVE AND THEY DON’T WANT TO WORK FOR IT. They use others. So they scope out victims, and many do this like breathing – it’s like how a predator targets prey.

So he picked sweet little you, and I have no doubt you are a sweet, wonderful person, I sense it, but he picked you because he figured he could push you around and control you. Criminals like to control their victims. YOU ARE THE VICTIM HE PICKED TO SERVE HIS NEED FOR A LOVER. And whatever household and social functions you could provide. And then you have a BABY. HOW DARE YOU!!!! You’re having a child means you are not the total and convenient victim for him anymore, you have a child that MUST come first, who has needs and who should be the center of everyone’s universe right now. Not him. You may not be available to him sexually because…well, jeez, you just had a BABY and you probably don’t feel like being Miss Porn Star. Who does? But now he’s the father of a BABY, something small and helpless and demanding and he has to take responsibility and that’s exactly what he doesn’t want. He doesn’t want responsibility and commitment. He wants a victim. Babies don’t make good victims because what can they do….they can’t make dinner, you can’t borrow money from them, all they do is gurgle and smile and spit up, and make demands and let you play with their toes….and he doesn’t want any of that. HE WANTS SOMEONE TO FULFILL HIS NEEDS WHEN HE WANTS IT. He doesn’t even really care about appearance – it’s about compliance. Do what I want when I want it. He is what we call in my neck of the woods….A FLAMING ASSHOLE.

DO NOT ATTEMPT TO STAY WITH THIS FLAMING ASSHOLE. Do not stay with a man who treats you and YOUR BABY – HIS BABY – like this. A decent man would go through fire to make sure his baby, his flesh and blood, has what it needs in life and try to make it happy and successful. He picked THIS time to cheat on you (and he may have cheated on you before anyway) because this is a rejection of responsibility and of you as a victim. You’re not compliant now, you have somebody else you have to put first. Well…you have TWO people you have to put first. YOU AND BABY.

Please don’t waste any more time on this man, he’s never going to be a right one for you or anybody. You’ve probably seen him at his BEST and he’ll get worse over time and so will you if you stay with him. When I was a small child I urged my mother to leave my violent alcoholic father but she wouldn’t because he told her he would kill us and she was afraid of him. BUT SHE SHOULD HAVE LEFT. I don’t blame her because she had no supportive family and poor health and didn’t know what to do. But I believe, perhaps as a result, YOU HAVE TO STAND UP TO THE BULLY. Maybe not literally physically, but go back to your family if you can, sounds like you can, and make a better life for you and Baby. It’s what Baby would tell you now if it could. It doesn’t need him….it needs YOU.

P.S. Don’t listen to the suicide bullshit either. I’m not minimizing suicide but I KNOW that many people use this as a threat to control others or manipulate their feelings which is what he is doing. Sometimes they’ll even take a small dose of something to make it look like an attempt. DON’T FALL FOR THIS. If he’s really suicidal or his bimbo is….they need to contact the police or mental health services. Or you can do that for them if he’s physically there. But move back with your family or whatever enables you to be independent – you’ll get a lot of advice here – and try to go for as little contact with him as possible. NO CONTACT is best. If you can get a lawyer to help you arrange some support for Baby, that’s probably all you need. Also, DO NOT BLAME YOURSELF for being involved with someone like this. You’re very young and he’s a good liar and manipulator. We’ve all made mistakes and been involved with the wrong people – me too. Just learn from it and move on. Don’t kick yourself, you’ve been kicked too much by him. LEARN FROM IT. And keep coming back her for support, advice, stories, etc – this is the best site you can find by far. GOOD LUCK – THE FUTURE WILL BE BETTER!!!!

GrandmaChump
GrandmaChump
1 year ago
Reply to  Mehitable

Sometimes the FW (as in my case) insists on children. Became a “deal breaker” to delay. So I gave in. He was a charming, excellent daddy for our firstborn, a daughter. After a year, he began the “wrong to be an only child” assertions. When she was 4, our son was born. He worried all through the pregnancy, but when our son was born he almost immediately lost interest. And then, 9 months later, oops I got pregnant again. He never bonded with the younger two.

On excursions, he’d “take daughter-name to the fun places and leave me with “the kids.” Growing up, they got token attention; daughter-name was the cherished child. They were all extremely gifted, but each had a learning disability that required extra attention. He provided the paycheck and got the image he wanted for his parents and job, but the younger two were always peripheral. He made the money and made token appearances at some kid events, but that was it.

I homeschooled each until they started college at 12 or 13. I stayed until the first one had graduated with a BS, and the younger two had their college transfer-AAs. I drafted out the door right behind the youngest, and was no contact from that point on. The one thing I did right was the no contact. I knew I had to do that, because I had this weird attraction to him whereby all he had to do to bring me back was open his arms wide. He was a charmer when he wanted to be. I knew that no contact was my only defense. Not proud of it.

He’d had all these retirement plans…didn’t make it. Went into the hospital just before turning 65 to have minor outpatient-type surgery, and a nascent killer disease was discovered. Four months later, never having left the hospital, he died. Ten years or so later, I came across this site and began processing the cluster that he had represented in my life, and my part in it.

My kids are in their late 30s and early 40s, and each is successful, strong, and caring. They host me several month of the year, and remain the greatest earthly joy of my life.

Mehitable
Mehitable
1 year ago
Reply to  GrandmaChump

You were a big success against the obstacles, Mama, you did right!!!! So glad you have your wonderful kids and how much they love and respect you. He could have had that too but…..he just couldn’t figure it out and other things apparently mattered more to him. Some people are just sperm and egg donors.

OHFFS
OHFFS
1 year ago

“He also mentioned on D-Day he was suicidal and he thought I would rather he talk to AP than him end his life.”

A particularly appalling lie used to excuse his continued cheating. My FW tried claiming he was suicidal too. It was an act to try to make me feel sorry for him. This is not an uncommon tactic.

Everything CL said is what you need to do. Accept your family’s help. Get a lawyer and ensure that a man who will not even feed his child never has unsupervised visitation. Document everything. Use his (fake) mental health claims to keep him away from your daughter as well. Throw everything at it.
I’d even consider getting a nanny cam and leaving the house after asking him to give your daughter dinner. Stay out for several hours while monitoring the camera feed to see what he does. Then you’ll have proof of neglect. Collect any bit of evidence you can to keep your precious child out of his hands.

Don’t be so sure he really has stopped seeing her, either, or that he won’t start up again. He may just be hiding it better. It might be worth hiring a private investigator to look into her, because she sounds sketchy and you sure as hell don’t want him bringing your daughter around her. Hopefully your family, who surely do not want your child to end up in his clutches, can front you the money for all this. You know what would be a bigger burden to them than helping you out? Something bad happening to your daughter would be, and if this freak has unfettered access to her, something bad could happen. Please take this seriously. He is not safe for either of you to be around.

Mehitable
Mehitable
1 year ago
Reply to  OHFFS

I think anything she can do to avoid visitation with this asshole would be excellent. I personally would even if I had to forego support. I would not want him or his bimbos around my kid especially when he won’t even feed the little thing. I cannot imagine that. Makes me want to go over there and kick his putrid ass.

Shadow
Shadow
1 year ago
Reply to  Mehitable

Yes, anyone who would wilfully do that to any child, never mind their own baby , is not someone who should ever be around children without strict supervision, and legal supervision at that!
This is the biggest Red Flag about this particular specimen of deceitful, treacherous, unfaithful abuser! The level of cold-hearted, callous deviousness he’s shown by this one act alone is horrifying and I think it’s a stark warning of how low he could stoop! It makes me shudder TBH! He’s monstrous!

Mehitable
Mehitable
1 year ago
Reply to  Shadow

Not feeding the baby is outrageous to me, and so vile. That could create permanent psychological problems for Baby because we don’t’ know how early these forms – some people might even have traumas originating from a difficult birth (hold up my hand) – you just don’t know. Children, especially babies, need the calmest, most stable, supportive environment they can be given especially around physical issues like feeding and pooping – that and sleeping are probably the most important things baby does for a while and you don’t want this asshole screwing it up. Not to mention my fear that he might hurt Baby if he gets angry with it crying – this guy is bad news.

Mehitable
Mehitable
1 year ago

TC, honey, I know you’re getting a lot of advice and info here and it might seem overwhelming especially when you’re already down and dealing with baby is tough BUT…..many of us are saying the same thing here and I’m gonna say it also – I would not leave Baby alone with a man who will not feed it. Baby could get very upset and I would not trust this guy with it. If you can go back to your parents, PLEASE go back and do not leave him alone with Baby. He’s not trustworthy and a man who claims to be suicidal is not stable. Also, depending on whether you get any money for child support, you may not have to give him any visitation rights and I personally would not. I would NOT trust this man. Talk to a lawyer, there may be women’s rights groups that might be able to assist you – I’m sure others may be able to give you more concrete info, but as you are not married this may actually give you more options than being married would in this case.

ALSO DOCUMENT ANYTHING HE HAS DONE OR WILL DO because it may be very helpful to your case now or later, especially with Baby. Write it down, record conversations, don’t be embarrassed or shy about this. You and Baby come first. I think your first need is to get out of there permanently and find some legal assistance and hopefully your parents and friends can help you with this. DON’T confront him over anything and DON’T have any unnecessary conversations. You don’t want to get into any fights. And it won’t do any good anyway. Just work it out ASAP with your parents and have them help you pick up your stuff and go. Once you’re in a safe place, DON’T be involved with this guy again except through an attorney or with someone else present. Record your phone calls/conversations and try to keep any interaction limited to emails and texts. I don’t like the sound of him and what he’s done with you and Baby. Not feeding a baby is ABUSIVE AND CRUEL and something that needs to be taken seriously.

2xchump
2xchump
1 year ago

TC! I was you 35 years ago. Got pregnant again because my cheater (12 years married)had one moment he said he loved me and wanted his family, me and 4 year old son. I had zero idea about his OW none. But before he had one week of ” love” for me, he had devalued me for 2 years, not shown up for 2 miscarriages and been very abusive in every way possible. I grabbed this love for all I was worth while all along I experiencedvthe cycle of abuse, hot and cold. ..but DENIED IT! My daughter was born 2 weeks before D day. What I am saying I’d, you can’t think straight because you are in a dryer going around in circles. It will not get better, it will get worse. Your vulnerability is what gives your creep joy. He has cheated before for sure because he sounds like an expert. You are just one of many and he uses EVERYONE for his own benefit. Please read all of this and believe he is awful and disgusting and is a horrible father. Get with your family and get tested. He could care less about you. I had no CL or CN 35 years ago, I had no idea about inhuman people. He does not think like we do. He is a pig. Never wrestle with a pig, you both get covered in crap -filled mud, but the pig loves it. Talk to a lawyer get testing for STD- STI, talk to your parents and do not stay one second longer. You Could get pregnant like I did once again so that you are tied to a useless abuser who traps you even more. I wish I Har left after the D&C and miscarriages he could have cared less about. But I refused to believe such horrible people exist. Believe that he sucks, please and tell your parents you need them! Best wishes..please don’t stay.

weedfree
weedfree
1 year ago

Sorry I didn’t get past the first few paragraphs before the bs-ometer blew up.
“I had to fuck her otherwise we both would have killed ourselves”
His penis prevented the loss of two lives.
What a hero.
Well done Tracey for continuing to guide the newly betrayed gently into the light.

weedfree
weedfree
1 year ago
Reply to  weedfree

Ok I read the rest now. She needs to contact a DV service to do safety planning as this is coercive control.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 year ago
Reply to  weedfree

We think the same things at the same time (song lyrics from Thom Yorke).

weedfree
weedfree
1 year ago

I’ve been thinking more recently of abuse in terms of how much space one person feels entitled to occupy in a relationship. Abusers want to occupy most, if not all the space, in whatever form is acceptable to them-physically taking up the partner’s space by assault or other forms of physical domination, psychologically through brainwashing, conversational control, censorship of ideas, isolation, etc But what pisses me off the most is the way they want to dominate the “victim space” so that legitimate victims aren’t permitted entry. Of course we see that across systems, territorial disputes etc, with victimhood being weaponised to justify genocide in its most extreme form

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weedfree
weedfree
1 year ago

Only took me half a century to crack the code. Code Crackers Inc. Never mind.
If they weren’t so dangerous it would be funny

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 year ago
Reply to  weedfree

It’s not a code that’s very easily cracked, especially after wading through all the cultural and patriarchal bs to achieve that particular wisdom.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 year ago

For the sake of the very innocent who experience all the fun after me, I try to bear in mind that, in a perfect world, being some trusting, bleeding heart simp would be the healthiest, most well-adapted and socially successful way to be. Because I lament that it’s even necessary, I can’t really put some ultimate value on the “wisdom” I’ve gained through harsh experience. Would that this “wisdom” wasn’t required for survival.

weedfree
weedfree
1 year ago

I’ve just read your much more detailed comments below on CC. It is the omnipotence thing isn’t? Delusions that become reality given the right circumstances.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 year ago
Reply to  weedfree

Considering that Fromm escaped Nazi Germany, I’m guessing the authors borrow from what is probably a political concept of power– masters’ “masked dependency” on slaves, Nazis masked dependency on Holocaust victims, etc. I’m not sure and would have to read the two books cited from Fromm– Escape from Freedom and The Anatomy of Human Destructiveness.

Wish me luck. I read The Art of Being and another book back in school and found Fromm almost overwhelming because every other paragraph contained something jaw-dropping that my little turnip brain couldn’t quite grasp. Hopefully I’m a bit smarter now. In any case, when I first read about masked dependency, I should have paid attention to citations and registered that the concept had heavier philosophical roots than modern forensic psychology. This is particularly true since one of the authors of the study– criminology researcher Donald Dutton– did a disturbing flipflop later in his career and started pandering to the men’s rights movement.

I get the sense Dutton is a narcissist who, upon discovering that playing the champion of battered women wasn’t getting him the accolades, kibble or tail he expected and may even have made him a pariah among academic bros, started to partially recant. As important as Dutton’s earlier prison studies of batterers are, I have the sense that narcissists are never that poetically profound and original and usually steal the original or amalgamated ideas they become known for. In this case, it was probably his repeat coauthors Susan Painter or Susan Golant who were the Fromm fan. In fact, everything I once admired about Dutton’s insights and ability to combine ideas from many disciplines probably originated from several of the more obscure female researchers he co-authored with who, given the era, likely had to have a male beard to get grants and clout. Whatever the case, the “masked dependency” idea always lit me up too much to have come from or even be extrapolated by a derp. I can never remember who said “Facts tend to cluster around good ideas” but that’s definitely the case with this concept. It just seems more true every year I’m alive.

ChumpNoMore
ChumpNoMore
1 year ago

Hi there Thoroughly Confused. English woman chiming in here. Having read the whole of your letter and the comments you have made in answer to the contributions here I feel the need to tell you to get the hell out of there as soon as possible. There’s the cheating which is one thing and truly horrible but that doesn’t pose a danger to you and your child’s safety. Everything else he does to you is a major threat in my opinion. I have done a lot of domestic violence work and his behaviour is ringing major alarm bells over in my little corner of East Anglia. The non feeding of the baby is an alarming indication of a willingness to harm a child in order to control you and stop you doing things you enjoy and with other people. Not only is it controlling but it aims to isolate you. All part of the abusive partner handbook. IT WILL ESCALATE.

Look at this another way. People eventually leave abusive partners (sometimes via the morgue) You can leave NOW, before he does something truly horrific and get your shit together, raise your child and have a really good life. Or you can endure years of abuse and end up running out of the house barefoot and in your nightie and utterly broken by this colossal piece of shit. If you hesitate, then think of your child. No one needs to grow up in a home where one adult holds the other in contempt, where there is violence and fear (ask me how I know)

Ring Women’s Aid. Do it today. Arrange to stay with your parents. They will not see you, their beloved daughter as a burden. They will want to help you and their grandchild. If my adult son, who has health vulnerabilities, was in your situation, I would move heaven and earth to protect him. So will your folks. Get legal help – do it immediately to show that you mean business.

Do excuse my bluntness, but I am worried for you. Protect yourself. Be careful who you talk to. Cover your digital tracks. MAKE A PLAN WITH TRUSTED, EXPERIENCED PEOPLE,

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 year ago
Reply to  ChumpNoMore

You’re so right and I agree with everything you wrote except the idea that cheating doesn’t pose a direct danger to the OP or her child. Of course the first direct, realistic risk of cheating is STD exposure, not all of which are merely sexually transmitted and can be, in some cases, passed to the child through more casual contact. The second, probably more pressing risk is that anyone who would knowingly stress a pregnant partner by cheating– not to mention knowingly starving an infant– is likely so empathy-impaired that they’re capable of any manner of violence or cruelty. But I think that’s the basic point you were making.

ChumpNoMore
ChumpNoMore
1 year ago

It was. And yes, STIs are of course a danger with cheating. Thank you.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
1 year ago
Reply to  ChumpNoMore

I keep quoting Thom Yorke lyrics: “We think the same things at the same time.”

Your point about leaving via the morgue is so true. I keep reversing the statistics in my head but, whether it’s 60% or 40% of domestic violence murders not being preceded by any prior reports of physical violence, the statistics are terrifying either way because there’s no obvious warning of pending violence. It’s like a huge percentage of emotional abusers go from 0 to 96km/0 to 60mph in two seconds. Seeing a partner be a garden variety shithead doesn’t really read to most people as “I’m about to be murdered.”

In any case, no victim ever thinks their partner would go that far or they wouldn’t have stuck around. It’s obviously always a big surprise. But I think the penny drop moment for a lot of victims of emotional abuse that signals the “gloves are about to come off” and the abuse is about to escalate is when their abusers suddenly have less “sexual use” for victims– i.e., are cheating and in the process of getting a sexual “backup plan.” If, for a long time, the victim had been sensing that their emotional abusers only “pulled their punches” and showed mercy and “lovebombed” due to continuing sexual agenda towards the victim, cheating would be interpreted on some primal level as an uptick of danger.

I even wonder if future social research will discover that some significant percentage of cheating is actually related to cheaters having escalating murder fantasies towards partners. Depending on the intensity of the fantasies and the impulsiveness of the individual, they may reason (consciously or unconsciously) that they’re cheating because “Since I’m about to fatally bash her/his brains in with a tire iron, I’m going to need a fallback plan for sexual partner” or whether they cheat as a diversionary strategy to lower the intensity of their murderous urges in order to stay out of jail, cheating may signal a dangerous increase in hostility and rage.

This isn’t to suggest that victims do anything to deserve or provoke that kind of hostility and rage. The currently reigning theories about abusive personalities is that they’re mostly driven by vulnerability/impotence/insecurity and their ugly impulses towards partners are entirely self-generated and generally relate to paranoid terror of abandonment and compulsive reenactment of abusive patterns learned from families of origin. I think of it as a kind of “love allergy” where the more lovable and admirable the victim becomes and the more vulnerably attached the abuser becomes, the more the abuser will paranoically feel convinced the victim will abandon/reject/expose/betray the abuser.

Confused AF
Confused AF
1 year ago

Thoroughly Confused, from what you wrote in your letter, it seems like your first or preferred option is to stay and work it out somehow. But you need to trust Tracy and CN and leave as soon as possible, because that way you can save yourself a lot of pain and suffering. Your daughter as well. She is young now and doesn’t know what is going on, but even babies can feel if their mother is not doing well. She needs her mother to feel safe and happy. Do you see my nickname here? I was also very confused when I first wrote to Tracy. Trying to untangle everything and find a way to make it work, to win the pick me dance and have that fairytale. Well, let me tell you it just gets worse and worse. And my FW was way more remorseful than yours seems to be. He quit the affair, started going to therapy twice a week, he was at home all the time, shared his location, took care of me and our daughter. He seeminlgy really stepped up. But after a year or so the mask started to slip again, I guess it was too much hard work for him. And his narcissistic traits started to show more and more and he became abusive again. I think he didn’t cheat, but that didn’t really matter, because he became abusive and disrespectful in other ways. My point is – these people don’t change. It’s hard to change, especially in such a short time. Anyways..just leave. Accept the help your parents are offering and find shelter there. You have a small child and you will need help. It will be hard, but once you accept the reality of who he is, it becomes easier. We’ve been divorced for almost a year now and he just keeps showing me who he is and that I made the right decision in the end. Be prepared that he will still try to abuse you through your daughter, by not sticking to the plan, not paying child support etc. Stay strong!

Shadow
Shadow
1 year ago

TC I used to live in England; I’m going to repeat what everyone else has said-LEAVE!
You say you don’t want to be a “burden2 to your parents but they won’t see yourself and your daughter like that at all! As a mum I can tell you I’d be distraught if I thought my son was going through a hell like you are for fear of putting on me! They’ll want you and your baby with them1 Think about if, in 20 or so years time, your daughter ended up with a man like her father and put up with it because she didn’t want to be a “burden” to you! You’d be in bits, wouldn’t you? You’d want her and any children away from that sort of man and safe with you!
Ring Women’s Aid as soon as you can when he’s not around. They’ll support you! You need to get home to your parents, without him knowing you’re leaving, with your baby, what ye both need in terms of clothes etc., your birth certs, you NHS Cards and any other important documents. Then ring Citizen’s Advice- they used to be provide a free half-an-hour with a solicitor but if they don’t do that, they’ll advise you about Legal Aid, which you should be entitled to if you have a low or no income of your own except Child Benefit. They’ll advise you about applying for Universal Credit and any other State Benefits you might be entitled to.
One good thing is your not married to him so once you leave him, he’s the Ex and that’s that! No ordeal of divorce to go through. DO make sure to emphasise about how he deprived his child of food that time you were out and rang you to come home- that was child abuse TC and he should never be alone with a child, his own or any other. I would be asking Women’s Aid about how to prevent that, so he could only see her in a Contact Centre. I had a mate whose babyfather pushed her over when she was holding their baby and because it was deemed that he put the child at risk of serious injury or worse by that, he was only allowed to see her at a Contact Centre once my mate left him! He might well give up then as he clearly doesn’t acre about her at all if he would deny her food! Then he’d be out of yer lives for good and that would be a big WIN for the two of ye!
Please, get away from him asap. We’re all thinking of the you and your daughter! God bless!

Chumpolicious
Chumpolicious
1 year ago

Im sorry, I am still stuck on the he doesnt feed a 1 year old child all day long. What about water? Hes an unfit parent. Make sure you document this. Hopefully he will get bored of parenting and just go away. He is a danger to that child.

Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
1 year ago

Wow. Just wow. Including the part where he engages in neglect by refusing to feed a hungry child.