Her Cheating Husband Has Cancer. Can She Leave?

Her cheating husband has cancer. She wants to leave, but fears he won’t live without her health insurance and support. What does she owe him?
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Dear Chump Lady,
I’ve been married for 34 years to someone who is not American, and we lived the first 20 years in his country. My first D-day was after 10 years of marriage, 4 children ages 6 down to 2. He was out of town for work (and pleasure) and the kids overturned a box of slides. What a shock… so I investigated more and found a list of women’s names, his “conquests”, all scored 1-4 on breasts, hips, sexiness, and femininity. I was conquest number 42, and my scores weren’t too high.
Of course, I confronted him.
But I couldn’t leave because I had no job in that country, and he had a very powerful position and I didn’t want to risk international kidnapping. So I immersed myself in raising the children.
During the next 10 years he continued having lots of women and my older two saw the evidence on his phone. Me, too.. it was my daily dose of poison.
After 20 years we moved to my hometown. I thought it would be a new beginning, but nope. Cheaters cheat, he kept on by going back to his country several times, so I filed for divorce.
It didn’t work, even though they were a high profile firm. Total incompetence. After two years separated, he charmed me into taking him back.
Then I find out he never stopped.
He’s in his 70s now, and I have nursed him through metastatic cancer.
He was even texting the MAIN mistress the night before his craniotomy! And still I couldn’t find the courage to leave. Until your book and his decision to buy a Corvette this week. (He wants to put it in my name!) I’m done and have an appointment with a lawyer.
He doesn’t know, but he knows I’ve changed and he’s scared I’m going to surprise him with something like I did last time (says that was a psychological blow to him and that’s why he can’t sleep much at night). And, of course, my sins are bigger because I’ve seen his phone and open computer. How dare I.
I guess my question is:
How do I not let his sad, miserable life make me stay?
I hear your answers in my head from your book and website, but if we divorce he’ll lose my health insurance. Going back to his country would mean he’d die because of socialized health and long, long waiting times. Yes, he’s killing my soul, but I’d be sending him to his death.
Right now we are living separated in the house. Oh, 34 years, and 12 of those with no intimacy. (He usually has at least three women at a time, so no time for me.) My fault, I’m sure.
I’m sorry this is a novel, but this is my messed up life. At least my kids (all grown) love and support me.
Sincerely,
Am I Forever Stuck in Limbo?
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Dear Limbo,
So, when you were vulnerable, how did he treat you?
When you were stuck in his country, unable to work, raising children — financially dependent on him and geographically trapped — what did he do?
He cheated on you. Repeatedly. Rubbed your nose in it, even. Was so indiscreet the children knew.
it was my daily dose of poison
You don’t have to drink poison. Your kids are grown. This fuckwit is a bad habit. End it.
You are under no obligation to continue this lopsided arrangement — where you do all the committing and caretaking and he does fuck all. Do you think if you had metastatic cancer he would nurse you?
He was even texting the MAIN mistress the night before his craniotomy!
Great. He can call Schmoopie to change his bed pan.
You don’t need to invest further.
He doesn’t know, but he knows I’ve changed and he’s scared I’m going to surprise him with something like I did last time
If you’ve changed, that will show in your behavior. You won’t take him back again. He is going to keep being him — you don’t control that, but you do control YOU.
After two years separated, he charmed me into taking him back.
Okay, so you know what to expect. He’ll flip through the three channels of charm, rage, and self-pity.
Remember, YOU HAVE AGENCY. He’s not a voodoo king. You CHOSE to go back. You went with charm over abundant EVIDENCE of his character. Don’t make that mistake again.
He will guilt you.
he’s scared I’m going to surprise him with something like I did last time (says that was a psychological blow to him and that’s why he can’t sleep much at night). And, of course, my sins are bigger because I’ve seen his phone and open computer. How dare I.
Well, so long as you’re such a sinner, go big. Leave him with his cancer and let him figure it out.
Did he care about the psychological blows he dealt you with his lifetime of cheating? No, of course not. He’s pickled in entitlement. But YOU don’t have to accept his entitlement. That’s a choice you’re making.
He can find his own solutions, including cancer care.
Your husband has the executive functioning to figure out cheating, he can figure out cancer care.
I hear your answers in my head from your book and website, but if we divorce he’ll lose my health insurance. Going back to his country would mean he’d die because of socialized health and long, long waiting times.
Talk to an attorney. They solve problems like this every day. Maybe you’ll have to pay some portion of health costs as part of your divorce settlement. Or he goes back to his home country and takes his chances with the health system there. Stop making HIS problems YOUR problems.
Boy, Tracy, that sounds heartless.
No. It sounds liberating.
Look, I know you’ve invested a huge portion of your life on this man and have children and an identity wrapped up in him. You’ve served your time. It’s okay to spent the remaining portion of your life FREE from servitude. This has never been a committed relationship. You’re human, and you bond, and you care. Getting cancer isn’t his fault, but the utter disregard and contempt he’s had for you for years IS HIS FAULT. So if there is no one there to take care of him when HE is now vulnerable? That’s the result of his shitty life choices.
Those consequences BELONG to him.
Save yourself.
If his country has socialized medicine great – he can take his chances there. I’m British (although I live in France) and while the NHS is cracking under the weight I believe urgent cases often get seen more quickly than, say, a hip replacement. Maybe he can look up one of his old schmoopies and she can take him in!
I’m pretty sure FW has a queue of ow lined up already
“I believe urgent cases often get seen more quickly than, say, a hip replacement.”
Of course they do. Triage is the SOP. The NHS, bad as it currently is, doesn’t let patients die waiting for lifesaving care.
Our National Health Service isn’t bad, it’s woefully underfunded. Just chiming in to let our American cousins know to ignore the propaganda about “socialist” health care. My 29 year old is alive and well after surviving childhood leukaemia. We had the BEST treatment and we didn’t lose the house in the process.
As to OP’s cheating sack of shit, I think she should dump him pronto and enjoy the rest of her life. Chances are she will get nothing in his will either.
I wish OP had gotten out sooner but YES, dump his sorry ass. You have suffered enough. Let the lawyers sort it out. Let him die knowing you changed and finally found the strength to be rid of him once and for all. You didn’t wish the cancer upon him.
I would never want to be in a position of wiping klootzak’s ass when he is old and needy. Where was he in my times of need? Exactly where he is right now, off with the latest AP. He also had a list of conquests. I included a copy of it in discovery. If my leaving removed some benefit that would give him comfort through sickness or old age, GOOD. Let him call a schmoopie to be there.
Limbo, I am certain that every chump here will agree that you can leave this cheater to face the consequences. I am also quite certain that the Chump Lady will wave her Magic Wand and set you on the path to freedom. You have spent enough of your life investing in a FW. Free yourself regardless of the cost. You deserve to spend the remainder of your life in peace.Since he has maintained a list of conquests, perhaps one of them would be more than willing to take on his care. You have done enough. Have the lawyers do all the heavy lifting and get the hell out. Don’t feel any remorse about it, you need to live your life as he has done all along.
Here’s something that worked for me:
”You deserve better.” That’s what you say to HIM! When he tries to guilt you about anything, nod seriously and repeat, “You deserve better,” as you pack your stuff or call a locksmith. My fw lashed out with a few mean comments, but I just stuck to my mantra.
I tried a version of this. It wasn’t nearly as clear and mighty as your version. But at some point, he just wanted to argue. He wanted to blame shift, and I would just say “well, if I am so bad, then you are lucky, we’re done. You can be free from all the horribleness that is me” He was so thick that this never really reached him. He’d just keep arguing. I like your version better.
Genius.
Love this! “Hey FW, I was only #42 on your list of conquests. You can do better than me, 41 times over“.
Oh, that’s beautiful. I wish I had thought of that. How can they argue with that? They can’t! I love it, that’ s just brilliant.
Let him charm his way onto someone else’s health insurance. Let him go now, so he has time to line up his next mark.
Thie is the time for good legal advice and no contact.
If the OP is working fulltime (implied by her family health insurance) a settlement might require continued support on her end. If FW is not an American citizen, travel could be uncertain for him.
If his prognosis is poor and there are complicated marital assets (a new car in her name?) it might be best to have the marriage end with his death. Maybe it’s a good time for a forensic accountant and a review of wills, if any.
I don’t believe FW is entitled to further care from the OP or even an explanation.
I thought the same. Presumably she is on his life insurance even if there’s nothing else to inherit.
I wouldn’t count on the life insurance. My father (prolific cheater) kept life insurance in my mother’s name. After he died, we found out that he had borrowed against it, and all that remained was $5. My own ex-husband had life insurance (paid out of the joint account) in his daughter’s name. It was part of his custody agreement to maintain the insurance until she was 25 and through school. Then he named me as beneficiary, and I got proof of that from the insurance company. It was fake.
Not a lawyer here but a Chump suggesting that a lawyer is really needed. I know a man who wanted to marry a woman whose husband was in a nursing home with no cognitive skills to participate in a divorce. In order to discharge her legal duties as his spouse, she had to set up a generous trust for his future care. In my family, after my mom developed significant dementia, my dad suggested that he just divorce her. I dont know exactly what the law is but (kind of based in the first story I mention) I told him you cant just divorce a dependent person and if he has terminal cancer for which a craniotomy was needed, he could lose cognition any any point (perhaps IM wrong on this point),
Divorce takes time and Im concerned that if her FW loses capacity for decisions or self care, she could be in a position where she would be on the hook for his care even if they divorced. Im not positive of this but asking about it sure seems like a good idea. Depending on her circumstances and financial resources in their marriage, she might do better to wait him out.
If I read this correctly, they live in separate dwellings so FW isnt underfoot 24 hours a day.
I am one of the Chumps whose marriage ended with the death of the chump, not divorce. My sitch was different in that my Cheaters death was unexpected but in reading what you all had to deal with, there are times when I acknowledge some aspects of death are simpler than divorce.
I also recognize that staying legally married to a person who could do a litany of crazy stuff is also fraught with peril. A lawyer to whom she could describe all the issues in detail to would be a good resource.
oops,I said “death of the chump” (which would be me and Im not dead) I meant death of the Cheater.
Agree on the legal advice. I am sure, at least in the US that there is a way the even if she has to contribute to his care, she can be protected from his further financial abuse.
These leeches have a tendency to go on forever. She should have a few years of not being exploited. Maybe a legal separation if allowed, where she is financially free of him except for health insurance, but she is free to live her own life and leave him to his without being responsible for his debts. Many states have that available.
Limbo,
You should do what you need to protect your own interests (financial, emotional and legal). If something that you might do won’t stop you sleeping at night, then you should feel no remorse about doing it.
As an aside, one of the reasons that I went hard and fast for a “Clean Break” Divorce from Ex-Mrs LFTT was that I knew that her “lifestyle choices” were going to bite her on the ass at some point, and I didn’t want to be on the hook for bailing her out when they did. Funny old thing, but her alcoholism, lack of exercise and terrible diet caught up with her a few years ago and she had a massive heart attack; she survived (I don’t wish her dead, as I’d rather that she lived so that she can watch me and the kids succeed without her), but the fact that this stopped her working for a while and impacted her (and her AP) financially was absolutely not my problem.
LFTT
Get legal advise and leave!! Believe me he would not be there for you in the same situation. My X left me with reoccurrence cancer and took his insurance with him and married the latest AP. Start getting mad about it. I like you wasted 3 decades and also a decade of no sex . It is absolutely insanity to think about it now 4 years after D day. Run!!! Dont walk!!!
So Mr. Wonderful has been killing your soul for 34 years? I don’t care if the first D-day was 10 years into the marriage…anybody who rates women like that doesn’t think women are fully human. He’s been treating you like a baby factory and wife appliance for 34 years. Bonus for him–after the kids are grown you provide health insurance and access to the US health care system! He picked out a useful spouse. It gave him a little bother when it figured out that he goes elsewhere for sex, but hey, no wife appliance is perfect.
Oh, my dear Limbo…that’s what he thinks of you. You’re a thing in his life that provides services. Those other women? They are also things that provide different services. When the female things in his life stop giving him what he wants, he kicks them to the curb. If you were the one with cancer, he would not be taking you to appointments and holding your hair while you threw up.
It’s time to stop providing services. If your soon-to-be-ex-husband had a powerful position in his home country and regularly travels internationally, I’m going to make the assumption that he has some money. He can hire people to take care of him.
You need to stop living in the same home. This is vital. Your soul will not begin to recover while you live with him.
I don’t know if it’s best to divorce him or just separate. Either way you need to consult an attorney to see what your options are. Also, talk to your kids. Will it hurt your relationship with them to divorce the sperm donor while he has cancer? Or have they been urging you to divorce him for years?
Limbo, it’s time to get unstuck. You deserve a reset. You’ve been locked in a prison by a “man” who made you think he loved you. He charmed you into this marriage by hiding his true self. Come over to the side of freedom. Life is sweet when you’re not tied to a monster.
💯
If he’s well enough to keep cheating, he’s well enough to get on without you. He can call one of his “conquests” to come wipe his ass and empty his wound drains.
Begone, foul stain!
Not only for your sake should you extricate yourself from this user/abuser however you can which works the most in your favor, but for the sake of the US. We don’t want or need any more like him here.
Time to take out the trash, and he can suffer the consequences of his decades of crappy choices in his own country. You can begin a new life in yours, a life of freedom.
Dear Limbo,
Let him wallow in his own slurry of shitty choices. You deserve to be free of this FW forever. Go find an amazing lawyer and get everything you deserve. Let him figure out his own health care and let his AP’s wipe his butt. You deserve better, and you already know that, so good on you! BTW make sure that the lawyer states that he still has to keep you as a beneficiary on his life insurance policy (if he has one)! Good luck, we are all rooting for you here at CN!!
He’s a serial cheater, and a real asshole one at that. You may be surprised by who runs out of the woodwork to save him when you remove yourself. I know I sure was! It’s well past time for him to start facing some consequences of his actions. Let him call one of his higher rated hoes. You don’t owe him anything.
He had a powerful position in his home country? Neat. Wonder why he lost it. Perhaps he can go back there and call in some old favors. Who knows, they may have even better healthcare there.
Your fuckwit, like mine and everybody else’s, made a choice that involved what we will very charitably call a calculated risk when he decided to cheat (or from what it sounds like with this idiot-the decision to simply wink and nod at fidelity on his way past it to pick up his passport and head to Fuckwitistan.)
Part of that calculated risk included that you would not remained chained to him. Part of that calculated risk included that he may someday need medical care. Part of that calculated risk included that he may someday need to be on YOUR insurance to save HIS miserable life.
Apparently he was cool with losing all of that in favor of having an actual trophy case (and slides? The hell year did I wake up in? SLIDES? And everybody was rated 1-4? Fuckwits, man. I thought my computer here was making some weird sounds-it was actually the sound of Rensis Likert turning over in his grave).
He betrayed you. You owe him nothing. The fact that he has cancer and “needs” your insurance is immaterial. You’ve already proven yourself the better person. It’s now time that you take care of YOU.
He fed you poison daily. That turned you into Mithridates. He is now dying of his own poison. That has nothing to do with you. If his cancer is really that bad it is going to kill him regardless of his marital status.
He had the capacity to have 41 conquests by the time you came around and it sounds like a lot after. He had the capacity to have a powerful job in his home country. He’s had over 70 years to figure out things like “healthcare” and “oncology.” And if he’s had more “consorts” than I’ve cumulatively had friends in my life, I think he should have a grasp on support systems by now as well.
I deeply empathize-I took my fuckwit to oncology toward the end of our “marriage.” I remember some long nights during the Pick-Me Dance phase of worrying how she was going to get cared for if I nutted-up and left or she put a bullet in things (which she eventually did). Through the magic of No Contact and putting that energy back into myself I came to peace with the fact that this was part of the emotional calculus related to the decision to betray, consciously or not. She decided to make that her problem. If Schmoopie, who was aware that she was with me could aid in the betrayal he could also sit with her and hold her hand through panic attacks in the waiting room like I did.
Buy the ticket, take the ride.
Feliz Jueves!
This whole thing was hilarious, especially: “The hell year did I wake up in? SLIDES? And everybody was rated 1-4? Fuckwits, man.” 🤣
i think one of the biggest challenges of starting again after a cheater is to set up a story narrative of your own. shift the focus off the cheater onto the main character of your story. you.
so, what do you see as your story? this doesn’t mean you forget all that came before, you just shift it to the back burner.
my story? i fell for a guy who lied about everything, and i believed him because i believe people. it’s okay to believe people, but he used me and devalued me. i tolerated his bad behaviours because i was taught to do so by my narcissistic mom–trained for the role.
but it’s over now and i know better. i have my own life to live and that includes one with my kids, friends, colleagues, and a world of others.
what’s your story? write it down–
Dear Limbo, you are a compassionate soul who has poured your kindness into a bottomless pit. There will never be enough though, for this leech (or should I say lech?). It is time to leave, if for no other reason than to model healthy behaviour to your children. It’s not too late to show them that you deserve respect and that there are consequences for mistreating you. One of the first things my daughter said to me after we split was she was glad I left because “Dad was mean to you”.
I don’t know which country your STBX is from but if it is Canada our universal health care system is not broken as many would have you believe. Yes, it’s sagging but I don’t think many Canadians would trade it away.
I am more of a lurker than a poster here but your letter prompted me to write. I discovered my FW’s cheating thirty years into our marriage and as the details trickled out I realized he had been cheating the entire time we were married. I stuck it out for another ten years and then pulled the trigger when I found out he had brought the latest side piece into our home (all the others had been in hotels while he was at work). I had been out of town caring for my aging father.
Don’t expect him to go quietly though, FW is still fighting me five and a half years later. He refused mediation after one session, Covid got in the way, then he backed out of our deal after a settlement conference and chose to go to trial. The courts were backlogged, his lawyer kept ‘forgetting’ to file paperwork, etc. We finally had a court date in February and two weeks before the trial FW’s attorney withdrew due to ‘illness’. Now the trial is put over until spring 2026 while FW finds a new lawyer.
FW is in his mid-seventies so part of me hopes the karma bus will come along and pick him up – he’s an alcoholic who has smoked for sixty years. There was a time when I cared about him, even after the seperation but now I cannot abide the thought of him and the sad thing is he brought all of it on himself.
If you feel yourself starting to wobble come over to the Chump Nation for some moral support. I think it’s safe to say we’ve all been through some version of your story and we’re here to lean on. As we used to say, a long time ago, “Hang in there baby!”
Dear Limbo,
Like every chump here will tell you, we ted to empathize and think that FW would deal with us in the same manner in the same set of circumstances. I experienced similar circumstances last year, though it wasn’t cancer in this instance.
After cheating and impregnating the AP and finally showing off his claws by leaving me and our two children for AP and her child(whose paternity is becoming questionable by the day) he suddenly became nice around June of last year and started seeing the children more. Pretended to want a solution and to work on our family. But I have been here long enough to know that FW are never genuine people. So I turned that down. Fast forward to August and he shows up one Saturday extremely ill from a night of binge drinking with AP and her friends. He’s too ill to move. Has no medical insurance at this point (But pays medical for AP and her son- the irony of not adding himself on that coverage). AP is nowhere to be found. I can’t chase him away. He stays over in the spare room but by Monday he is critical. So what does chumpy me do? I rush to my employer and request that he’s added back to my medical cover, this process takes 2 hours or so because i have to get a magistrate sworn affidavit. I have FW admitted in the top hospital in my country and get the best doctor. My medical cover is extremely good. He’s in an ensuite room, getting treated. I sign all paperwork and go home at 4 a.m. . Long story short, who does he invite to see him in hospital while paying zero percentage of the bill? Who do i find there angry that i am listed as spouse on the affidavit? AP FW stays a week, procedures done is discharged all costs covered , total cost half a million in my currency. FW doesn’t even get home, he goes straight back to his illegal business to fund AP’s child birthday that was happening that week. The only gratitude I got was my son got ghosted on his birthday 3 weeks later. Nothing. No cake, no party, no gifts. He’s 2. And having exhausted my outpatient benefit with follow up care, he left me curbside at night when I found myself ill in November last year. i had to pay a lot out of pocket, and take an uber to the ER.
Lesson learned. Kicked him off my insurance without telling him on January 1st. He was in a motorcycle accident 2 weeks ago and has been hoovering waiting for me to suggest a hospital visit. No thank you. AP can now take over that burden, she is after all benefiting massively here. FW only know how to take. Be cold, be firm, he would leave you in a heart beat to die if roles were reversed. Take care of you first. He’s drowning let the mistress keep him afloat. Illness isn’t an absolution path for wickedness done. Stay strong
I might have done the same if I had someone about to die right in front of me. But what an appalling story – a lesson in the rewards of codependency! I’m so glad you took him off your insurance!
If he had a powerful position in another country, chances are he’s stashed some assets there. Odd that he wants to put the car in your name. Does he really have the assets to buy a Corvette, or is that coming out of marital funds and your earnings? BTW, it’s titled in the buyer’s name, so if he already bought it and “wants” to put it in your name, I’d be skeptical and have it transferred now, before it suddenly ends up titled to a Shmoopie while you’re stuck paying. Otherwise, be sure your name is on the purchase papers and bill of sale—but only IF YOU want a Corvette. Which he probably plans to use to pick up more playmates. Maybe you can transfer it to one of your kids so it won’t be a joint asset.
If you can afford a forensic accountant, get one.
He hasn’t worried about your consequences or your health with all his sleeping around, so you have no obligation to worry about his. He’s in his 70s with metastatic cancer, so his health bills may increase exponentially. He’s been going to his home country for pleasure? Your lawyer should be able to point out that he likes to go there and CAN, in fact, go there for treatment, so you should not be obligated to pay for it when you divorce him. And it should be when. If he’s splurging on fancy cars for himself, who knows what he’ll pay for OWs.
You said you spent 20 years with him in his home county, 10 in this country, then the next 20 in your home town. I don’t know if that’s 50 years together, but you did say married 40 years, so you must at least be in your 60s. Your kids are grown so you are probably paying a premium to have him on your insurance. Do you want to have to continue to work so you can pay for this leech? Sounds like he’s retired.
I hope you can find a tough divorce attorney. And be sure to find as much evidence as ou can before letting him know you’re seeing a lawyer. He probably covered his racks after the first one. If you can correlate evidence of his affairs to his travel expenses, those may be counted as marital waste and calculated accordingly.
He’s retired. The money for the car is from his pension savings in his country. He doesn’t speak English…my attempt at divorce 13 years ago made him ‘hate” English and refuse to learn it. We were 20 years in his country, now 15 years here. I don’t believe he has anyone here, just online sites.
What a clown. Your attempt to divorce him is why he can’t learn the language where he lives? That doesn’t even make sense. He’s just trying to appear helpless. It sounds like you feeling like he needs your help is what keeps you trapped, and he knows it.
It took me forever to realize that running to help a man who won’t help himself, like my mother modeled for me … learning how to use a computer, a cell phone, how to do taxes, etc, because my father “can’t” … is not LOVE. It’s socialized servitude that we have been taught is what love looks like. I had a feeling of “oh, let me help you” and I described that feeling as “caring” and so, by extension, “love.”
Good caretaking requires kindness and a loving spirit. But there are professional caretakers: it’s not the definition of love, just like sex is also not the definition of love and there are pros who get paid to do that, too.
But love, when healthy and between adults, shows up as a feeling of respect, and admiration, and *safety,* and genuinely being grateful to be around someone who is so kind and good and communicative and who pulls their own weight in the relationship.
Don’t be trapped by his “helplessness.” Google weaponized incompetence.
Yes, DO NOT TELL HIM you’re seeing a lawyer. A guy with assets in another country, who’s spent years hiding dozens of affairs, is a seasoned liar who won’t hesitate to screw you over in a heartbeat.
Meant to write he covered his tracks. He doesn’t seem to have worried a lot about covering the racks if he was keeping pictures and score sheets of “assets.”
Respectfully, you’re extending him consideration he would NEVER do for you. This guy stabbed you in the back for years and never lost a wink of sleep over it. Do you really think this monster wouldn’t leave you to die in the street, given the chance?
Get the best legal advice you can find about how to disentangle yourself from this psychopath and get the best financial settlement. This man owes you for the decades he stole from you.
First of all, people don’t die because of waiting times under socialized medicine. If he told you that, he’s lying. It’s a triage system, so people most in need are attended to first. The wait times are for elective procedures, not life saving care. People are far more likely to die in countries without socialized medicine because they can’t afford care. So you no longer have that rationalization to keep being his slave and you can divorce his sorry ass. Yes, your reasons are rationalizations IMO. I think you’re so used to this kind of life where you just bury your pain and carry on that you’re afraid of what your life will look like without this albatross to carry on your back.
By the sound of it odds are very strong that he is going to die anyway. It’s just a matter of when. This may sound cold, but are you on his life insurance and is it significant enough to be worth waiting until he dies? If not, divorce him. Getting a large amount of life insurance would be the only good reason for staying, but even if that’s possible, don’t bother doing any care. Stick him in a care home. Go ahead and be exactly that cold because he sure as hell was with you. Even worse, because he ruined your life and traumatized your children who were exposed to his filth. That’s not just cold, it’s sadistic. It’s evil. So if you’re not getting any insurance, get out immediately before you are made responsible for any more of his health care costs. The problem with health insurance is it only goes so far. The insurers put a cap on your benefits and refuse to continue to pay after you reach the limit. Unless you have the most amazing health insurance plan ever, he’s using up what you will need in the future as you age. Don’t allow that unless he can compensate you with his life insurance. It’s up to you if it’s worth hanging on for that payday. Best of luck and I’m sorry he’s such a bastard.
Dear Limbo,
As they say, the truth will set you free but that really depends on whether you are free to tell the truth and whether anyone believes you which is why I’m really glad you found this forum– because everyone here will recognize the truth in your story and will also recognize the really key truths in your story, which I think really boils down to this:
“…he had a very powerful position and I didn’t want to risk international kidnapping.”
Hello, coercive control. According to the legal language defining coercive control in the UK and Scotland, your husband is a criminal abuser and you were a literal hostage for many years, held in captivity under the threat of losing your children which, according to the US Supreme Court, is the family law equivalent of the death penalty.
To give more perspective to it, historically, threats to take children and other loved ones away are such an effective means of terrorizing people into compliance that it’s been a central tactic of mass repression for every dictatorship going back to Ancient Greece.
Even if you don’t have a crystal ball and aren’t “sure” he would have used his clout to take your children back then, the fact that you couldn’t swear he wouldn’t do such a thing is proof enough that you are a battered woman and, consequently, may be experiencing classic battered woman’s syndrome.
Even if he never lifted a finger or left a mark on you, bear in mind that the majority of domestic violence survivors consistently report that it’s the psychological abuse, coercion and control within domestic violence that’s the most paralyzing and devastating even beyond physical assault which is one reason some countries are finally criminalizing it. The other reason coercive control is being criminalized is because, in a statistical sense, it’s come to be seen as the “golden thread” that best predicts eventual domestic murder even more than histories of assault. But the main point I’m trying to make is that I don’t believe the guilt you’re feeling at the thought of leaving him is genuine but really just an artifact of captor bonding/Stockholm syndrome.
You didn’t stay because you’re weak and a glutton for punishment, in other words. You stayed because you were frog-boiled and conditioned through fear over many years. But suggesting that whatever bond you have towards this abuser isn’t real isn’t to say that you’re not capable of genuine love or were “manipulating” this abuser with false declarations of loyalty though, being an abuser, he would naturally accuse you of this and every other crime known to man if the guilt or threats to assassinate and smear your character would keep you stuck. But if you research captor-bonding/Stockholm syndrome, you’ll read about how it’s not a conscious response but a hard-wired, ancient lizard-brain survival mechanism that automatically kicks in in normal people as a way to gain amnesty from dangerous captors. In fact, it’s so predictable in human beings that even veteran intelligence agents are never given whole parcels of state secrets but only bits and pieces because it’s expected that, if captured and subjected to certain forms of stress, everyone cracks like pinatas and spills everything they know.
Something else you’d probably learn if you delve into the subject is that one of the most tried and true tactics in professional interrogation is to make threats against the hostage’s loved ones. It’s said to be the reason why some intelligence agencies prefer agents without families for particularly dangerous missions. Because, if the agent has kin, threats against those loved ones almost always work to trigger rapid ego collapse in hostages, making physical torture largely unnecessary. Hostages will typically form bonds with their interrogators which is also why, upon release or escape, all captured spies and military personnel are routinely given deprogramming therapy to expedite breaking the survival bond.
Anyway, if your main fear is that you’ll be haunted forever by bad conscience in the case you “abandon” him while ill, It would actually be good news if the bond you have towards this abuser isn’t real but simply a hardwired survival ruse. This is because, once you’re out of his orbit and reach, any grip he had on you that passed for “bonding” would likely disappear and leave nothing but surfcing memories of long-disremembered threats, intimidating gesture warfare, control, abuse, put-downs, etc., going back decades.
Theoretically, the reason that stuff is said to only surface after escape is because part of captor bonding is suppressing natural fear and anger reactions to captivity and threat due to the fact that abusers– like skilled interrogators– tend to be almost telepathic in detecting any tiny sign of rebellion in their victims and then punishing accordingly. This is one explanation for why victims have to deeply invest in the appearance of being loyal to captors– because the ruse only works to promote survival if the individual fully believes it themselves.
As effective as the survival strategy is, obviously one of the problems is that it might outlast its necessity in case the hostage has a chance to escape but doesn’t to the extent they believe their own loyalty or even “love” for the captor is genuine. So one strategy to expedite the breaking of the bond is to remember all that disremembered abuse because, as unsettling as resurfacing traumatic memories of past abuse may be, those memories would only confirm that you made the right decision and were more than justified in bolting. Plus the more you’re sure you made the right decision, the less people around you will question it. Some may try but being firm in your knowledge of the real narrative makes you a harder target for false guilt.
Speaking of gaining back your own sense of truth and perspective on events, one “self-deprogramming” strategy I learned about as an advocate for abuse survivors that seems to help is to write down every terrible, scary, unsettling, threatening thing this abuser ever did or said from the beginning of the relationship, then keep the document at your bedside and read it every day when you wake up or start to feel some self-defeating “sentimental” pull again. Especially effective is trying to remember accusations from him that you “didn’t love him enough” or anything along those lines and then write down what “punishments” came in tow with the accusations. You might soon come to see that even the guilt you’re feeling now is illusory and a product of conditioning and brainwashing through fear.
Though it’s hard to find therapists who are well-versed in coercive control and post-traumatic stress who aren’t typical clinical victim-blamers, getting compassionate and experienced support could also help speed up the breaking of the illusory bond and help shed the illusory sense of responsibility and guilt that comes with it.
I hope you keep coming back here as well. The more support you get, the more you speak out and the more you remember how you came to be entrapped in the first place, the shorter the duration of captor-bonded limbo/purgatory might be. Peace, safety and hugs.
Oh, my, you have opened my mind to see all this in a horrible way, worse than I could have imagined. I’m going to do some research on this. No wonder I couldn’t understand it completely. Thank you.
You’re not alone. I don’t think anyone undergoing Stockholm syndrome/captor bonding really sees it happening or understands it in the moment and, even if they did, they wouldn’t necessarily have control of it. Even people trained in understanding victimology can still succumb. That’s because captor bonding wouldn’t work to gain “mercy” from abusers if victims were actually conscious of the process. Abusers, being telepathic to cues of rebellion, could become more dangerous and punitive if the ruse of loyalty didn’t appear cellular-level genuine.
That’s the rub. I think the reason our species evolved to have this mental “emergency” mechanism is precisely because it’s highly successful in promoting survival due to the fact that most captors/abusers are not completely immune to seamless displays of loyalty from victims.
But this sort of dual-bonding dynamic can start to weaken over time, either because an abuser becomes progressively more callous so that the danger of the victim remaining in the relationship is beginning to exceed the very considerable statistical danger of escape (women face an 800% or so increased risk of being killed within two months of leaving an abuser) or because an abuser loses power over their victim for whatever reason as has arguably happened in your situation.
But, as they say, even a dying snake can give a fatal bite so it may be at the point when an abuser has lost power and control over a victim that they become the most dangerous. So the danger isn’t over just because an abuser becomes ill or weak or loses financial control. For safety reasons, it’s very important for survivors and their supporters to grasp that most abusers operate on a “beat by need” basis, typically preferring less athletic and less legally risky psychological, financial and coercive means of controlling and dominating their prey. If those “subviolent” means of control begin to fail, this is when violence becomes a significant risk and this may be true even if an abuser never previously lifted a finger or fist. Research in Australia found that, in about 40% of domestic murder cases, there had been no previous reports of assault or violence. The first assault was the last, though, as social researchers discovered, the real warning of potential lethality all along was the existence of coercion and control in the relationship.
Regarding the snowballing callousness of some abusers, something I repeatedly saw as an advocate is that survivors perceive one of the biggest cues that the “danger of staying” is starting to exceed the danger of leaving is when abusers cheat (which virtually all do). It makes sense if you think about it: because most victims come to understand that their chief or only value to an abuser is as a “sexual appliance” and that this may be the only reason abusers show them any mercy, the specter of being “sexually replaced” may signal that the gloves are coming off and, however bad the abuse was prior to cheating, it’s about to become much worse.
I think that partly explains why cheating often feels so catastrophically traumatic to victims of it: because, on some subconscious animal level, people sense “death around the margins” of infidelity. But the fact that cheating is often the “last straw” for abuse survivors that prompts many to finally take the risk of escaping is still grossly misunderstood by bystanders and less competent helping professionals. Uninformed or blaming bystanders may assume that victims are simply being “jealous and territorial” by responding more intensely to cheating than they may have responded to other forms of abuse. It’s not because victims didn’t “mind” those other forms of abuse, yet bystanders’ misinterpretation of this goes back to the moldy old blaming theory that abuse victims are somehow naturally attracted to abusers and codependently “get something” out of the abuse. But, again, I think the truth is that cheating by abusers is a strong cue that abuse may suddenly worsen or even shift to lethal because victims have lost their last window of “amnesty” from abusers by losing their sexual “value.”
It’s not just victims of domestic abuse who may suddenly “pickme dance” when they find themselves “falling of out of favor” with an abuser. Political hostages may also apparently go through similar panic and efforts to boost and refresh a captor’s bond to them if they sense the captor’s attachment to them is weakening and captives find themselves losing favored status. Hostages may also feel the same shame and confusion over their own reactions as abuse survivors and may also be subject to the same misinterpretation by bystanders. In any case, in both situations, if the captor/abuser continues to become more callous or chooses another “favorite,” this is the point where the hostage’s bond to the captor will also begin to weaken. This puts victims in terrible straits because, even if the captor’s bond has weakened, they may still punish the victim if they sense the victim is beginning to rebel.
Anyway, if any of this rings bells, there are some good resources out there on the subject though also some crappy ones. Any book or study by the late, great Dr. Evan Stark is a good start. He and his wife and co-researcher Ann Flitcraft were early founders of the shelter movement and Stark later became one of the main spearheads of the movement to criminalize coercive control. He has several successors who continue to carry the torch, such as Drs. Emma Katz and Christine Cocciola.
One very important essay by Stark and Flitcraft is in an older book titled Post-Traumatic Stress Therapy and the Victims of Violent Crime. I think it’s one of the greatest clinical denunciations of traditional victim-blaming approaches to treating abuse survivors. This duo really knew their field and I think the chapter on DV is like an “inoculation” against victim blaming perspectives which, unfortunately, still run pretty thick in pop-psychology.
For instance, I recommend caution if you come across a source that uses the term “trauma bonding” rather than “captor bonding.” As a term, “trauma bonding” was kind of a conceptual hijack by sex addiction guru and CSAT founder Dr. Patrick Carnes who pretty much specializes in exonerating sex abusers and falsely splitting blame with their victims. Because Carnes and sex addiction therapists make their money by whitewashing sexually abusive behaviors as some kind of sad sausage “addiction,” it wouldn’t do to use traditional terms like “captor bonding” because “captor” implies fault and responsibility and also implies the existence of an entirely innocent captive or victim. While “captor bonding” correctly measures seriousness (the crime of taking someone captive) and correctly apportions blame– putting the onus on abusers and removing it from victims– and this specificity is very helpful for victims/captives, abusive individuals really don’t like being branded abusers and won’t pay therapists who label them as such. I think this is probably why Carnes had to alter a perfectly accurate and functional concept– captor bonding– for political and financial reasons.
The term “trauma bonding” has become so viral that even well-meaning advocates and helping professionals will use it these days. But I tend to find the professionals who use the expression “trauma bonding” a bit “green” if they don’t understand the term’s history or the healing power of descriptive and accurate clinical terminology. If anything, captor bonding is the better term because abuse victims universally need constant reminders that it wasn’t their fault simply because abusers (and their apologists) so intensely campaign to blame victims.
Another excellent book is The Batterer. It’s based on prison studies of domestic abusers and gets very surgical in describing many of the diabolical tactics used by abusers to control victims and also gets into how abusers become bent and dangerous to begin with, usually due to witnessing and experiencing abuse in childhood. But the takeaway is not to paint abusers as poor, pathetic victims of difficult backgrounds, simply to make a greater case for why victims and their children need support in escaping and need to be protected to end generational cycles.
It’s a valuable book but I have to give another caveat that one of the clinical authors, Donald Dutton, did some weird 180 after this book was published and started stumping for the manosphere and so-called “men’s rights movement” (an organized collective of accused or convicted batterers who use junk science to blame victims). This is why I think co-author Susan Golant was the real force behind many of the important insights in the book and I suspect that, in the era the book was written, Golant probably needed a male co-author as a beard to get her ground-breaking work published.
I hope some of this helps strengthen your resolve in continuing to be mighty. Sometimes I think half the task of escape is about survivors throwing off the massive burden of false blame that’s been heaped on victims since the dawn of time.
Such helpful insight and comment. Thanks Hellofachump.
Don’t waste one more precious second of your life on this abuser.
I’m a member of the Brain Injury Association of America and as such am aware of a little-publicized technique of providing for an injured spouse without crippling the family finances. It’s nicknamed the ‘Medicaid Divorce.’ With the divorce, the eligibility for Medicaid is predicated on the the assets of the sick spouse,
My spouse and I split and I agreed to carry health insurance on his behalf for a year. It didn’t cost me anything because the employer provided it for free.
About 2 weeks after he moved out to live with his employee-girlfriend, I got a call from the hospital to please bring his insurance card because he was in the ER having a heart attack.
Of course, I was stupid enough to drop everything and go to the ER. When I got there, I was informed that I couldn’t see him — only 1 visitor and his wife was already with him. I kind of laughed and said ‘hmm. I guess I didn’t know he was a bigamist. Anyway, here’s his insurance card. From one of his wives’
The bills for a heart attack that turned out to be a panic attack were still substantial. I still got the EOBs. The insurance basically paid 80%. He had the nerve to tell them I was the responsible party for medical costs. I made sure to call each of the many billing offices that he was responsible for what the insurance didn’t pay.
It was early in the year and the family deductible hadn’t been met, so he had to pay that as well.
Of course he was convinced that somehow I was cheating him. Really. Didn’t blame it on the $1200 billed by a doctor who never said a word to him?
Wow. The chutzpah of this clown. Wow, wow, wow.
This makes me so mad – the sheer entitlement of this piece of human garbage. Will you feel bad for your cancer -riddled (I hope soon to be ex) husband? Of course you will. You are a chump, you have a heart. As CL said, no one deserves cancer. But no one deserves to be treated the way he treated you your entire marriage AND young adult years. He held you and your children hostage. In this life I do believe that, for the most part, you reap what you sow. He can now know what it’s like to be devastatingly discarded. Drop him like he’s dropped you so many times. Drop him like you needed to all those years ago.
As others have said, please please please consult with a lawyer to find out how best to protect yourself when you do the above. You have served your time, you deserve as clean a break from this poor excuse for a man as you can get.
Limbo, consider this: he is getting great medical care on your dime. What if he lives another 5-10 years while you take care of him? You know whose life is ticking away? Yours. At this stage of your life (YOUR life) practical considerations are paramount, so think of everything before you act. Get a lawyer, get an accountant, get a therapist, get a fortune teller. And maybe require of yourself that you feel only as much guilt over your decisions as FW felt for his for decades.
I’m feeling overwhelmed by the responses and feeling finally understood!! Thank you for your hard-wonderful wisdom…I know it came at a high price. So…we still live in the same house, but I did tell him 2 days ago that I dont want him to touch me. So he’ssleepingupstairs. He seems to be in remission from the cancer, it’s been 5 years, and he’s the darling of all the doctors. He doesn’t have life insurance, I work full-time (since we’ve been in America) and that’s why he’s on my health insurance. He gets a very nice pension, but about 2/3 stays in his country “for the children, when I’m gone”). So….maybe I do have that Stockholm syndrome, how crazy, I’m ready to cry. I’ve kept copies of all evidence so that I know I’m not crazy and didn’t make it up. Yes…..I have to leave him. What a blessing this group is.
5 yrs in remission!?! He doesn’t have cancer. 5 yrs is considered cancer free.
Exactly
Sad to say that if you have not left all these years for various reasons, end of life will not grant you courage and good bye after.your heart has been beaten to a pulp and your mind is absorbed by guilt. you likely would not be able to take a stand now. I dont agree that you are a chump actually. I stayed for a short time because both my Xs were like my children..I had this maternal connection that is most often broken by NO CONTACT. Can you do that? My bets are on dying husband keeping all the toys plus you…. that if you agreed so long to stay under a horror show, now would be the worst time to up and run. Of course you can leave, but you ate the sandwich so long you wouldn’t know fresh baloney if it was served to you. Do I feel compassion for your situation, yes…but I think you agreed and for all the mental health reasons you are not the person to leave him NOW. That ship has sailed. Yes you can absolutely go, but I doubt you have that kind of moxy or Chutzpah or whatever you want to call it. Best wishes ❤️ though because we may have all stayed…but in the end we didn’t..
2x, I’m not sure why on this blog you’d take the time to tell someone who has written in for help that you doubt they have what it takes to leave. “End of life” may not be the thing that helps her leave, it may be us and the kindness and support, and the affirmation of her mightiness, that helps. That’s literally what this blog is about: helping people who are having difficulty leaving a cheater.
You have a narrow window to make a clean break while he’s still on his feet being a FW and he’s still got something to lose. If you don’t leave now you may trapped for life.
These type can be very dangerous once they realize they’re circling the drain. Narcissistic injury can unleash a demon and if you try to escape at that point he can make sure you never do.
Chump Lady is right as usual. The FW broke his vows long ago with egregious cheating which negates any obligations towards him.
Limbo, please listen to Tracy. In the US, the spouse who carries the insurance might have to carry it until the partner picks up their own, and the consequences for dropping it prematurely are harsh. Talk to an attorney to cover all your bases.
My FW stayed with me while I cared for him through four rounds of cancer treatments, and as soon as he was declared cancer free, he left me for his smoopie.
Don’t make my mistake. Life is too short to waste it with FWs.
What a sad example of a woman so beat down by the cheating abusive FW she essentially is a willing slave / house elf to a monster who’d abandon HER the moment she’s ill