Funny how you never realize how many chumps are out there in the world until you’ve been chumped yourself. They show up in the darnedest places.
Last August I was at the Podcast Movement conference and I heard OG podcaster Dave Jackson speak. He’s something of a rock star in the podcasting world as the founder of the School of Podcasting. (Which started in 2005, eons in podcasting years).
I asked this elder statesman of podcasting a question, and he asked me a question about Tell Me How You’re Mighty. “What kind of mightiness are we talking about?” And I said “leaving cheaters and gaining a better life.”
He says: “Oh, that happened to me!”
And proceeds to tell me a funny/tragic chump story. Just totally open about it. Zero shame. I realize there is a certain comfort level among self-identified chumps, but for a guy? Men, in my experience, don’t talk about being cheated on. They lurk. They maybe tell their brother. But they don’t blithely share the mortifying details with a random stranger they’ve just met.
But Dave did. Probably because a) he’s a mensch. b) He’s achieved enough success and distance to talk about it. And c) he’s an educator. As he would tell you, if someone can learn from his experience, he’s happy to help.
I said of the funny/tragic chump story: “That’s mighty. You should be on our podcast.”
Half joking. Because, folks, we had like five finished episodes at this point. Hardly a book-a-rock-star resume.
Dave said yes!
And here we are today. You can listen to Dave’s story here. I won’t give the whole suckfest away, but one salient detail of his particular chump horror story, is that his then-wife cheated while they were going through fertility treatments, and had spent every last dime on IVF, hoping for a child.
Later, we asked Dave to weigh in on the FW of the Week — a guy who disappeared while his wife was in labor.
When Sarah and I told him about FW of the Week, before the recording, his jaw literally dropped. On the podcast he says, “My mind is still buffering.” And later, “I can’t believe this guy. I would give anything to experience this.”
A chump reached out to me after listening on Patreon to say it was affirming and healing to hear Dave’s reaction. Because he was naturally horrified. We get so jaded with these chump stories, it’s easy to forget that men who abandon pregnant women are aberrant. The mind SHOULD buffer.
We were not Dave’s usual podcast guest experience. We didn’t talk about microphones or RSS feeds. We talked instead about messy relationships, the bullet that missed, and better lives.
And if anyone in CN is interested in starting a podcast, I can make a personal plug for Dave’s podcast on podcasting, The School of Podcasting and the program with the same name.
Thanks for the humor and grace, Dave.