Is It Too Late to Leave a Serial Cheater?
She’s been married for 20 years and is wondering if it’s too late to leave a cheater? Her husband has never been faithful.
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Hello Chump Lady,
I have been wanting to write this letter to you for over a decade and I am finally doing it.
I have been married for 20 years. My first D-Day was 17 years ago.
I was holding my newborn and reading an email from my husband to his coworker reminiscing one of their Wednesdays together, very explicitly. In that moment, I felt so weak I still don’t know how I did not drop my baby. Before I found proof of his affair, I had suspicions for months.
He never really confessed or give any details so I never new when it started. They saw each other everyday at work and went to her place once a week or more. We had two kids in diapers at that time. He blamed pressure, kids, no help, struggling with finances, me not wanting to go out much, etc. It did make me feel guilty because my mother passed away before I had my first child and I was still grieving her, especially having babies, missing her, her never meeting my children. His family never really showed up, they barely speak.
He never did much to rebuild our relationship and I was overwhelmed and could not see myself alone.
So I stayed.
Then came D-Days 2, 3, and 4. And figuring it all out on my own going through his phone records, finding more emails and searching his phone. Always with coworkers, except for one being his ex-girlfriend that he never really stopped seeing while we were married.
I threw him out several times, but it never lasted more than two weeks. Later, I found out from his friends that he had been unfaithful the whole relationship, 5 years dating and 20 years of marriage.
I come from a broken home where my father cheated and had a child out of wedlock with his mistress. His affair started when I was five years old and he would tell my mom he was working night shifts until she figured out he had lost his job and was at the OW’s house on these nights. He lived a double life and would spend every other night with his OW until my mother passed away. I had promised myself to never ever live through such a toxic relationship, which ruined her life and ultimately killed her. She got sick and died shortly after I got married. My father moved in with his affair partner and we barely speak.
Unfortunately, here I am, doing exactly what I swore I wouldn’t never do: staying with a cheater.
Throughout the years I have heard different reasons for my husband’s behavior. According to him, he is like a kid in a candy store that needs to have it all, or I’m too absorbed by motherhood. After D-Day 1, I overheard him say to one of his friends that he was no longer interested in me, the flame burned out and he did not see how or want to relight the fire. But he never left and still today says he wants to stay married because he wants to be with me.
He blames me for always referring to his old ways to prove my point, saying his affairs are in the past but every year something comes up. Like getting a phone call a couple of years ago from my relative, telling me she saw my husband at a restaurant with a woman when he left our home to attend a conference supposedly. That woman was his ex-girlfriend that he went to have breakfast with on the other side of town, never thinking that he would see my cousin there.
Last summer, he went out and forgot his phone, which he never does. I ended up going through it to find a voice mail that he erased, from a colleague not understanding why he was so cold and distant when she thought they were friends and telling him to please erase all of her pictures and messages. I believe they were more than friends….
He always refused to cut ties with any his OW.
They all work in the same field, ex girlfriend included, and he said they share information and work together so it has always been out of the question. We did therapy for a few sessions but all he wanted was for the psychologist to tell me I also had a problem because I became a germophobe, had OCD, worried too much about the kids. But when they started telling him about his behaviour and his problems, he did not want to go anymore. I did go to therapy alone for many years, helping me to cope with my situation.
After hearing that voice mail, confronting him and hearing him blame the woman because SHE was after him, I told him he had to leave. Our teenagers were devastated because it was the first time they were aware of him leaving. I told him that I was not going to tell them why we were splitting, that was his job. He said nothing. They cried so much and I thought I was gonna be able to go through with the separation, but I did not and he came back after a week saying he would show me how good of a husband he can be. He agreed to couple’s therapy that he had to schedule. Never did.
I am now 50 and feel so ashamed for not thinking about my well-being and prioritizing my marriage.
I have other goals I want to achieve like going back to school but I have no motivation when it comes to me. He was never supportive because he knew I would not go through with it but he had my full support to get two degrees and be promoted at his job. And still I stayed.
My children are older so I cannot say that I am staying because of them. And I do not depend on him financially, so that is not an issue either. I look back and feel I wasted so many years hoping for the impossible. I feel stuck and unable to move on, always waiting for another D-Day to try to leave, as if I did not have good reasons to want out. Still.
Stuck.
P.s. English is not my first language, apologies for any syntax or grammatical errors.
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Dear Stuck,
Imagine I’m on a rooftop, with a megaphone, shouting at you:
IT’S NEVER TOO LATE TO LEAVE A CHEATER!
You’re not stuck, you’re just exhausted from the bullshit and have forgotten you have agency.
This has been a long recitation of what a total creep your husband is, as if you feel you must marshal your evidence to convince me, the Leave a Cheater lady, to give you my blessing.
Okay, fourteen D-Days, I feel she has suffered enough. Permission granted.
The only person you have to convince is yourself. You have the power to say ENOUGH. Is this relationship acceptable to YOU? He doesn’t have to be a flaming serial cheater. You can leave him because you don’t like his haircut or the way he chews his breakfast cereal.
Those would be very superficial reasons to leave someone, Tracy.
They’d be honest. But the way you’re living now is dishonest to yourself. And to your kids. To the best of your ability, you’ve hidden your husband’s abuse from them. His continual devaluing of you, the risks he’s put to your health and your children’s intact family home, for 20 straight years.
He continually hurts you and you continually take it.
But you matter. You don’t have to take it. YOU MATTER.
I’ve written a lot about what keeps us stuck with cheaters. Heck, I devoted a whole book to the subject and how to leave. We’ll discuss you, but remember, you’re not feeling anything we haven’t felt before you. Your situation isn’t unique. Sadly, it’s incredibly, distressingly common. But take heart, there is a good life on the other side of abuse, and it’s waiting here for you.
It might feel like it’s going to take a superhuman amount of strength to leave him, but it takes way more strength to live like you’ve been living. He’s depleted you.
Take your power back.
I come from a broken home where my father cheated and had a child out of wedlock with his mistress.
Interesting you said “broken home” when your mother stayed with her cheating husband. The trope is that divorce makes broken homes. But you rightly intuit that dysfunction makes broken homes.
I had promised myself to never ever live through such a toxic relationship, which ruined her life and ultimately killed her.
Leave for yourself. Leave for your mother, who didn’t. Do it for your kids. Break the cycle.
Stop looking to your FW husband.
Throughout the years I have heard different reasons for my husband’s behavior. According to him, he is like a kid in a candy store that needs to have it all, or I’m too absorbed by motherhood.
Who CARES? Seriously, who gives one flipping burrito what a fuckwit thinks about why his dick wanders? There’s only ONE question: IS THIS RELATIONSHIP ACCEPTABLE TO ME?
Do you want to be married to a toddler in a candy store? Or a man who thinks devotion to his offspring is a FAULT? I’m sorry this misogynistic stand-by-your-man garbage was modeled to you, but you DO NOT NEED HIM. You don’t need his excuses for his bad behavior and you do not need him. You’d get more devotion from a toast rack.
But he never left and still today says he wants to stay married because he wants to be with me.
Of course he does. You’re a good wife appliance with a paycheck.
WHO CARES WHAT HE WANTS!
After hearing that voice mail, confronting him and hearing him blame the woman because SHE was after him, I told him he had to leave.
He doesn’t believe you. This is your first fatal mistake. You keep expecting him to behave with accountability and HE NEVER DOES. So, take the message. He has zero intention of cleaning up his mess. This works for him. He doesn’t care that it doesn’t work for you. Pay attention to his behavior.
In this scenario, YOU leave. You file the divorce papers. You take the reins. Stop offering him the reins. He’s going right back to the cake trough.
Our teenagers were devastated because it was the first time they were aware of him leaving.
Why are you shielding your children from the truth about their father? He’s created this human shield problem. You do not need to keep his secrets. “I’m divorcing your father because he hasn’t been faithful in our 20 year marriage and this is unacceptable to me. His behavior is incompatible with my idea of marriage and my values.” That’s the truth.
STOP IT!
Stop handing a FW responsibility for your life. Not once in 20 years has he put your well-being, or his children’s, first. YOU be the sane parent. YOU tell the children YOUR “this is unacceptable to me” truth.
Is that fair? Quit getting hung up on fair. Waiting for him to bust a move is your way of chickening out and delaying the clock. I’ll just sit here and let him make a decision about us, marriage counseling, telling the children….
It never happens. Because IT WORKS FOR HIM.
He does not care that it hurts you. In fact, humiliating you is probably a turn on for this sadistic POS. You’re in an abusive relationship. I’m sorry no one mentioned it to you in those years of therapy, but there’s a lot of bad therapy out there. You’re the only one who can save yourself. And you, Stuck, are so worth saving.
I have other goals I want to achieve like going back to school but I have no motivation when it comes to me. He was never supportive because he knew I would not go through with it but he had my full support to get two degrees and be promoted at his job.
Imagine how wonderful your life could be if you directed all that energy you’ve poured into him into yourself instead? What if you were your own supportive partner? How amazing to have that kind of love! DO IT.
It’s not too late to go back to school or leave a cheater. You’re only 50! Get out now before he needs a nurse or spends the retirement funds on his affair partners. Talk to a lawyer today!
Go through with it.
You’ll be so proud of yourself.



Stuck,
The best day to take action was yesterday and the second best day is today. And (gently) please start putting your own needs ahead of your Cheater’s …. he isn’t acting in your best interests, and so you need to start doing so.
LFTT
Sunk cost fallacy.
Many of us survived a gray divorce and yes it’s gut wrenching but ultimately freedom is on the other side.
OP you deserve to be free from the abusive cheater and no do not cover for the FW. Tell the kids the truth.
Leave before the abuse kills you as it did your mother.
I went back to school in my 50s. I had so so SO much regret for so many years — “I should’ve had XYZ degree.” Then you know what? I got it. And I have a deep soul satisfaction about it, because it was really an act of self-love to get it, even though I was older than everyone else. (Almost! There were a few others who were giving themselves the gift of doing something they always wanted to do.)
The only way to heal the is-it-too-late pain is to do it now.
The “Explore More” section just above shows so many CL blog posts on how to actually leave.
I love this! I too had regret. I had always wanted to get a degree in theology and pursue a doctorate. Well, I’m nearly at the end of a Masters in Theology from a reputable seminary, and I’m applying to work on my PhD. I’m 51. But I don’t care… I love the idea that I can finally do what I always wanted. It wasn’t too late.
I love this!!!
“The only way to heal the is-it-too-late pain is to do it now.”
THANK YOU for this.
❤️
If I realize my house is on fire, I do not wonder if it is too late to leave.
Being in a relationship with a cheater is living in a burning house with the arsonist. They have zero regard for the safety and well-being of the person they have the audacity to call their spouse or their own children.
It is only too late if you’re dead. And I have no doubt that living with a cheater hastens that outcome.
My dental hygienist is originally from Iran. She came to the US with her husband, had three small children, did not speak English, and did not drive when she discovered he was a cheater. She left. She was the one who told me, “You need to get away from him.”
Her story gave me, born in the US, English-speaking, in possession of a driver’s license, the courage to leave.
Most of us need support to leave. I’m glad you’re here. Please find some support in real life for assistance leaving.
XXOO.
❤️
100% Yes!!!
It is only too late if you’re dead. And I have no doubt that living with a cheater hastens that outcome.
I’m 51 and hopefully the judge signs off on a divorce decree in this next month. I filed when I was 49. It is NOT too late. Don’t be 60 wishing you had divorced him at 50. The years ahead of you are valuable. Don’t waste another minute of your precious life on him. Lawyer up and file. It is going to be SOOO amazing on the other side.
P.S. You think your kids don’t know? I doubt that’s true. Kids that old figure things out. So now they are learning to stick it out, from YOU. Stop doing this! Divorce now and model better behavior.
This was me.
Found out about his cheating 10 years into our marriage and actually split up. My life seemed so, so much better. I was free and happy. I met a wonderful man and fell madly in love.
But when that wonderful man cheated on me (with my best friend), I went back to my ex-husband. And stayed with him for almost another 20 years. Through D Day after D Day.
I basically became numb to his cheating. Being told I was worthless and repulsive seemed totally normal. The relationship *was* acceptable to me because I was willing to accept pretty much any kind of mistreatment.
Then, thank God, he left. I would never have had the courage to leave him. I have no contact with him and don’t even know where he is.
I wouldn’t say my life now is good. It’s ok. Not great, not terrible. It’s financially much more difficult and I’m often lonely. But it’s better than the life I was living with him.
Perdita, oh this breaks my heart!! No one deserves this!!
I basically became numb to his cheating. Being told I was worthless and repulsive seemed totally normal. The relationship *was* acceptable to me because I was willing to accept pretty much any kind of mistreatment.
I was 48 on my first Dday. 4 kids. I did not have my own money. 25 year marriage (ahem, mirage— thank you for that definition, VH!) I learned of the then-current affair, but shortly thereafter learned of others. I’m sure he cheated the entire time. He blamed me and our kids. Lied, minimized, threatened… I told him to GTFO, filed, worked at getting divorced quickly like my life depended on it. I went through a trial and got 82% of everything and full custody. I got new credentials, new job, promotion after promotion. Met a funny sexy man who wanted me and only me. That was 9 years ago. We bought a farm together 3 years ago, been engaged for 5 years. Tracy is right – take massive action to save yourself. You are worth it. You’re nowhere near too old to build a new, abuse free life.
” take massive action to save yourself.” Wonderful phrase.
I’m 55 and was abandoned two years ago by my ex, who secretly moved out and then announced he’d been cheating — I had no idea, although now I see the red flags were everywhere. He had wanted to divorce about a decade earlier, and I insisted on holding on, which I did for my kids (who were then in middle school), house, financial stability, etc. I just want to say that here in my mid-50s, parenting solo with adult kids who now know their dad is a cheater — it is better than the facade of married life I had before. These two years have been hellishly painful, I don’t want to minimize that, so brace yourself and find your inner strength, which I’m sure is deeper than you realize. Two years out, it is getting better and better. My relationship with my kids is better, we are planning family vacations together without tiptoeing around a FW who was always on the charm/self-pity/rage roller coaster — and while I didn’t wish for this, my life ahead looks brighter to me, at 55, than it did while I was stuck with him and wondering when and where he would force us to move after retirement, what kind of health issues he would develop, how I would manage my own health and aging knowing that he has never been a source of support for me, etc. I am now free to figure out the future on my own, and stronger for it.
Are you me? LOL. You wrote my story!
I agree that life without FW is great because as you say, he was “always on the charm/self-pity/rage roller coaster.”
I feel like I was able to jump out of the timeline that my life was on and get on a completely different timeline. I have peace now.
“tiptoeing around a FW who was always on the charm/self-pity/rage roller coaster” such a perfect description of my life before divorcing narcissistic sociopath ex. We have happier vacations now even if less luxurious.
Never too late to do the right thing for yourself! As long as he is still around-it’s not too late. That said-you really should get moving on that-for your own sanity.
He’s not going to change. He has gotten very comfortable with betraying and harming you. He has gotten very good at not keeping promises, not doing better (or quite frankly, if he was concerned about how you give the children WHO ARE DEPENDENT ON YOU more attention than he gets, “anything”). This is the person that he is. If he were hypothetically going to heal and be a better person I don’t see how that is possible still living with you. I don’t actually see how it’s possible at all-but semantics, I suppose.
I’ve been where you are and it sucks. Mine left before I could kick her out. And honestly if I have a real regret (other than the pick me dancing, falling victim to her, etc) it would be not having the stones to kick her out.
If you are still having doubts, I want you to think of the quality of your own life.
You have already written in to a support community asking for help and laid out a pretty damning case against that individual. You sound absolutely miserable. And you should be-you have been betrayed by him so much that you actually don’t know what him being faithful looks or feels like. Are you ok with that? It sounds like by extension he has never really been there for your children, either (it honestly sounds like he kind of resents them for taking attention away from him).
How many more nights do you want to go to bed crying? How many more times do you want to feel on edge because he’s home and you don’t know where he has been or what he has been up to…or what new lies he will tell you? How many more times do you want to be disappointed by him not following through with a promise to treat you better?
Your kids will understand with time. I’m like you-I grew up around that as well. I was mad at first but as time wore on and I saw both of my parents for who they really were as people, guess who I sided with and still speak to? If nothing else, his permanently being away will tip them off pretty quickly about how much he really did.
You owe him nothing. It is not your job to take care of him. He made that decision when he stepped out on you(which it sounds like was pretty early.) Please seriously contemplate what you get out of the arrangement-I get the sense you will be just fine on your own.
It’s rough right now but it gets better. I’m not you-my situation didn’t involve children(thankfully.) I DO know that you deserve better and to stop hurting. I DO know that if he is going to go get his jollies elsewhere he can get everything elsewhere as well and leave you to your peace. I know that IT IS SO MUCH BETTER without a cheater around ruining everything and making everything about themselves.
WE ARE HERE FOR YOU!
And a Mighty Monday to the rest of you!
Unless you are bedfast, chained or incapacitated..it is never ever too late. I was 69 when I filed, locked my cheater out, got police protection, got an order of protection, left my family home, found a senior apartment, put everything in storage, gave away everything in storage, left my church, left several” friends ” and left behind the ILLUSION of my marriage of 31 years behind. The freedom I feel now and the pure joy makes some of my married friends envious. I am 72…my life was saved from a man I had no idea was a serial cheater until I did…there is no other way.
Also I must add, that when I look up Tracy CL, she shows up as a “Cartoonist” in some of her bios. WHAT????That is so WRONG for just that word to pop up. More descriptive would be Myth Buster, Truth Serum for chumps and the master Blue Print analysis with a POTION to interpret dreams and lies. Can we get that front and center???
I was stuck taking hopium for so very long. He retired, and I somehow thought that would make everything better. Even after attending a week-long class where they covered all the ins and outs, he was just downright horrible with us, and then got so messed up mentally that he took off twice. The second time was long-distance.
Taking off had been a periodic discussion, as well as divorce. He would get frustrated and say that maybe he would take off and divorce me. Yes, how to make your wife walk on eggshells!
It totally messed me up, but it ultimately turned out to be a blessing. Having him out of the house and in another state gave me the space to process and, finally, refuse to reconcile. When I was finally sitting in front of my attorney, his response to how my STBX took off was, “Sometimes the garbage takes itself out.” He had a wicked sense of humor and completely outclassed and outmaneuvered my STBX’s attorney.
I was in my late 50s, and it was rough, but I’m very much a planner and proactive type. I figured it out and got the kids into young adulthood, both of whom are financially independent. I’m finally semi-retired myself. Meanwhile, I have no idea how he’s doing. It’s been a while since we heard from him.
Completely had to be.
“He retired, and I somehow thought that would make everything better.”
It’s funny the things that we tell ourselves to have hope. At one point, post D-Day but Pre-Divorce, I thought “gee, it took him 17 years before he had this affair, maybe if it blows over he will never cheat again, if it takes another 17 years for him to be interested in another affair he’ll be nearly 70 and surely over the idea of philandering”.
It is never too late. Don’t let sunk cost fallacy take the rest of your life and sanity too. You deserve better than this yesterday, today, and tomorrow. {{hugs}}
Even though it was later down the line, I too found out that he was living a double life as soon as we were married…that he confessed, which, as you found out, translates roughly to always (there were some hints that this was the case that I only saw in retrospect). We just had a baby the previous year and I was a SAHM – a choice I made with the information I had at the time – what a great way to keep your wife trapped by making her feel safe enough to do this. I thought we were a team, and I didn’t know how wrong I was. He was disconnected and uninvested. What you tried to do in your marriage, even knowing this man was scum, speaks so much about you and your fortitude. But you do not need to make yourself a martyr – if anything, leaving such blatant disrespect and harm sets an example for your kids that this sort of relationship is not something to tolerate. Despite your having watched your own mother go through this, you’re never going to be armed for it all. I had a good example with my parents’ marriage, but I fell in with a bad actor. It happens. You didn’t ask for this, and sometimes you don’t know the hell you’re in until you’re personally deep in it. Look at how much you’ve done for 20 freaking years (I had 6 married, 8 together, and that was enough). If you take all of that strength and energy and turn it toward yourself and your kids, you will do great things. Honestly, I am still healing mentally/emotionally, and my household income has decreased significantly. But where I am now is infinitely better than having my soul sucked dry.
Stuck – this actually is an exciting opportunity. Read the Chump Lady archives, speak with a lawyer, quietly get your ducks in a row.
Every single day without your FW will hold a reward. It will be enough to get you over the hump because, frankly, you’ve already been doing it by yourself.
You can only control your own behavior and now you decide whether an action leads to your own independence and a happier future for you and your children.
Thank you for your response Chump Lady. I do hear you from the rooftop! Thank you for your support, Chump community, it means a lot.
Stuck
Stuck,
How timely that this letter showed up in my inbox this morning! Today happens to be either 14 or 15 years ago that I found out about my ex’s cheating. She was his work whore as well so I get how easy it was to get away with everything.
The important part of what I wrote above is that I don’t remember whether it was 14 or 15 years ago! 😂 It truly doesn’t matter because I love my life!
I was also in my 50s and I had two amazing kids who were out of the house. I knew I needed to model strength and independence for them.
50 is a fabulous time to find out who and what you are! You raised two kids through adolescence? You’re a tough cookie.
I lawyered up, although it took me two lawyers to get the right one, and did find satisfaction in how my ex had underestimated me. I did as much digging and discovery as I could to assist my lawyers and make my case. No one know him or the characters involved better than I did.
I won’t say it was easy or pretty. I did beg to do the pick me dance but, fortunately, he turned down my efforts. He wanted to start his new life with her. I consider myself blessed that he rebuked my efforts because that is what really set me free.
Not only have I become an incredible advocate for leaving cheaters, I have also demonstrated to my children what strength and character look like. I know they view their father as pathetic and weak. That alone was worth leaving him for. I am proud to say they both have incredible marriages now where truth and honesty are amongst their highest priorities. We have zero secrets between us and we have all supported each other through every step of this journey
I never knew at the time how wonderful the outcome of my situation could be. People such as this letter writer have to have blind faith that their lives will be better, their souls will be at peace and that the world will open up for them in unforeseen ways if all they do is take that first step to leave someone who does not deserve them.
And don’t forget the iceberg analogy. What you know is probably only the tip of the iceberg.
My attorney told me that during the intake, and over time, more and more rolled in, just confirming that the marriage had to end. I was truly at meh on the day that I saw the judge had signed off. I was just so sick of the horrors of my marriage and all of his games, so I was A-OK from then on being without him.
Have I been lonely since? Yes, at times, but lonely is SO MUCH better than being with someone you can’t trust.
Stuck – I was 50 the second time I decided to divorce my FW, but didn’t go through with it because he got cancer. A couple of years later with things calmed down I figured it was too late, I was too old, and that my life was fated to be made up of a bad marriage and a parallel life with a man who didn’t care about me. Fast forward to D-Day a few months before my 60th birthday. How I wish I had the courage to leave when I wanted to at 50! So at 60 I did what I should have done – – at 30. But unless I can borrow someone’s time machine there is no fixing that. Your past is beyond repair – fix your future. It will take courage, and support. If you have no one in your life to support you then keep coming back here. You are lucky in that your children are older and you can support yourself financially. Just imagine breathing fresh air! That’s what it is like to leave a FW.
Tracy, I would change this to:
“…he hasn’t been faithful in our 20 year marriage (25 year relationship) and this is unacceptable to me. His behavior is incompatible with OUR marriage VOWS and my values.”
Stuck, do you appreciate being lied to (by omission) and being kept in the dark about YOUR life? Well, neither do your teenagers. Tell them immediately the full truth about their lying, cheating, abusing father. You need to see that YOU are continuing the abuse and disfunction, as well as your FW.
Get your ducks in a row (documents, funds/financials, valuables, pitbull lawyer). Protect yourself, keep everything a secret from FW. You have no more decisions to make, just get out…with your kids, assets, life. He will never cut off the cake and mindf*ck. You have to. Once you’re out go NO CONTACT. (except legally required emails). He is not your friend, and never will be.
No, Stuck, it’s not too late. I was *65* when I discovered I was being cheated on. In 2017. It took almost two years to get divorced, because he dragged it out as long as he could, throwing up as many obstacles as he could. “You are not the boss of me” syndrome. The Decree Absolute came through in January 2019. By then I’d moved to Northumberland from Yorkshire, and was just beginning to find my feet, then two years of lockdown. But it’s now 2025, and I’m 73, 74 this December. I have my own little house, where everything in it is mine, chosen by me. I have friends, places to go, things I like and want to do. You can have that too.
You’ll be lonely at times, of course you will. But you’re lonely now, aren’t you, living with a man who’s amply proved he cares nothing at all for you. Don’t delude yourself about that, he doesn’t give a shit about you, you’re just useful. Until you aren’t. Trying to live with someone who abuses you every day is far more lonely than just being alone. If you continue in limbo, think what it will be like, 10, 15, 20 years from now. If you get sick, you’ll be dependent on this cretin. Do you think he’ll look after you? He won’t. Suppose you need end of life care? He could pull the plug on you without a second thought, you’re no longer useful, just a nuisance.
50 isn’t too late, it’s relatively young. You have the chance for many more years to live in peace and freedom. To go to college, to build a real life, for you. You just have to take the reins. You sound so beaten down, and I’m not surprised. You’re living with an *abuser*, cheating is *abuse*, and you’re an *abused wife*. Stop being one.
Go and see a lawyer. Find out what you’re entitled to in a divorce. Don’t tell him what you’re doing. If it’s possible to throw him out and change the locks, do so. Have absolutely *no contact* with this piece of shit, let your lawyer do all that. You’re children are grown up, aren’t they? There is no need or reason to have any contact with him at all, then.
You should see a doctor, get checked for STD’s. You also sound unsurprisingly depressed, see if you need anti-depressants to start you on your journey. But I’m betting that once you take control of you, take control of your life, you won’t need them. Action is always better than inaction, living in miserable limbo.
I feel so much for you in your situation, it’s scary, but it can be liberating too. Lots of chumps here are as old as you, some of us much older. We too the reins of our life in our hands, and made something much better. So can you. Imagine yourself, 2, 3 years from now. Going to college, meeting people who may become friends, doing what you like, when you like. Actually *having a life*.
I hope you listen to CL, and all the chumps here who’ve gone through just what you’re going through, and some much, much worse. Start today, taking back your life. Read the archives, read LACGAL. Keep coming back here, tell us what’s going on. There’s so much support available from us all.
It’s not too late Stuck.
I said WTF when an acquaintance Chump at 34 was told by family members it’s too late for her to leave, to start over. Patriarchy in action 🤬
Stuck, in the grand scheme of things 50 is relatively young, you can easily live another 25-35 years. You’re signing up for decades more of abuse if you stay. Decades!
“Throughout the years I have heard different reasons for my husband’s behavior. According to him, he is like a kid in a candy store that needs to have it all”
#kthxbye
He says “I’m too absorbed by motherhood”
#kthxbye
“say to one of his friends that he was no longer interested in me”
#kthxbye
“says he wants to stay married because he wants to be with me.”
#kthxbye
Gaslighter extraordinaire
Repeating an old argument for newbies (sorry to be a broken record!):
I’m convinced that no one actually loves these pieces of $%&# but are instead spellbound into thinking we do because of the survival mechanism of Stockholm syndrome/captor bonding. So, by that token, any sense of heartbreak felt at a breakup after many years of mistreatment is a delayed reaction from the first moment when their masks dropped. I think that’s the moment we all knew it would be hell getting out and, whether these turned out to be optimal choices or not, we enacted various strategies we hoped might reduce the risk of horror show fallout.
I liken the delayed heartbreak to waking up from a coma after a decade or two,being told upon awakening that someone we loved had died years before and then having to grieve a loss that happened ages earlier. It’s as if the moment of escape is when all those stored up emotional reactions to abuse surface. But, kind of like tax debt, these deferred reactions can come with interest.
That’s not to victim blame though since none of us have a crystal ball. Even if the pain is the same or even greater on the “pain later” program, perhaps the risk of facing reality was far higher (even lethal?) at the first mask-drop moment.
Anyway, I think my main point is that it’s impossible to love what is fundamentally unlovable and I think victims effectively stop loving abusers at the first flare of real cruelty or betrayal. Every pang of love or loyalty after that point is just a cellular-level ruse to grovel for amnesty and buy time. By that token, the fear of leaving may not be so much heartbreak but largely instinctual– and not irrational– fear of escalating post-separation abuse.
What else could explain why so many escapees find that, years after escaping, they can’t muster so much of a vapor of their former love of and dependence on former abusers? I mean, if you love someone who deserves love and they die, you can still feel the love you once felt for them even after you start having trouble remembering their face. It’s certainly not the sudden complete dearth of love experienced by so many survivors of abuse.
In any event, I think that deep down in our ancient monkey/lizard brains and autonomic risk management faculties, we know that the riskiest time is when victims leave abusive mates so that could explain a bit why the pain (and urge to go back into denial and grovel for amnesty again) seems to peak at the moment survivors start really planning escape or are (luckily) suddenly abandoned.
Because of new findings that coercive control– not necessarily assault– is the true harbinger predicting relative risk of domestic murder, lack of violent history is no guarantee a former partner won’t go postal. And even if they don’t do away with us and try hide the evidence, basic common sense predicts that the same people who would abuse a loyal partner will twist the knife in unfathomably painful ways once that partner escapes. It’s just human math.
Anyway, f*cking captor bonding/Stockholm syndrome, urg. It’s a very useful and effective survival strategy when humans are in real danger from virtual captors but it’s a drag that its effects linger on past their usefulness. I wish there was a switch to uninstall the app. Imagine how wonderful it would be that, right after the first call to a divorce attorney, you could just shut down the survival ruse faux-love program with a few clicks, have a long nap and wake up in “meh.”
Adding in a different incentive. Your FW is an utter POS and any day now he may tire of the charade and decide you’re too much of a nuisance.
Somewhere between the 20th and 26th year my ex husband decided that it was increasingly irritating to pretend and was planning a fatal accident for me.
Staying in an abusive relationship is often framed as preserving the status quo by the victim but that’s not the full picture.
Believe in yourself and leave! I did it at age 52 and am happier than I have been in years. And I loved my husband and thought we had a great marriage. My husband had an emotional affair and was obsessed with a younger woman, with whom he refused to cut ties. Marriage therapy actually made it clear that he was a narcissist. First, I moved into the basement bedroom. He would not move out of our home, so I did. From my lovely home in a very nice neighborhood to a very modest rental house. He was shocked that I left. So was I, to be honest. But now my bedroom is on the second floor and every morning the sun is streaming in, and it’s like a metaphor for my whole life. A year ago, my 21-year-old son would not talk to me, he was so mad & thought I was over-reacting. Now he sees how his dad lives and how my other three kids and I are thriving. He is back in my life. Do it for yourself. What I had to remember is that my kids have their own lives and this is just a bump in the road for them, but I have another 25+ years ahead (as long as my marriage!). That’s a lot of time to stay unhappy.
Good luck!
You are not too old to leave this piece of trash. And you need to stop hiding his cheating from your children. They will blame you for the broken marriage if you don’t tell them. And lady, your marriage IS already broken. I was 49 when I filed for divorce and 50 when it was finalized. I am nearly 65 and I know now that divorcing that monster was the best decision I ever made.
My health was not good and it was very, very hard to do all the things it took to file for divorce. But I took it one step at a time and made it through. And then when I was no longer living with daily emotional abuse my health improved. My kids learned that you don’t have to live with abuse. We are all better off than when I was married to their father.
Also, you need to know that your so-called “husband” gets a thrill from cheating on you. He doesn’t want to have his girlfriend or any of the other women full time. He wants both. He wants the girlfriends to know he has a wife because it makes them feel bad. He wants YOU to know that he has other women because it makes YOU feel bad.
He ENJOYS making you feel bad. It gives him pleasure. Your life will improve when you leave.
Dear Stuck,
It is never too late to leave a louse. I was 55 when I discovered my FW of thirty years was cheating. I thought it was only once but he slipped up at couples therapy (three sessions, a total waste of money) and let it be known he had been cheating the entire time I had known him. Because he was away half the month for work I never had an inkling though in hindsight there were a few red flags.
I stayed, terrified of the financial consequences as I had been a SAHM since the children were born. Fast-forward ten years and he was sloppy about hiding his latest affair and I had had enough. I did some research, discovered I would be entitled to half his pension and so, at age 65 and forty years of marriage, I decided to file for divorce – much to his surprise.
Along came covid and FW was going out to visit his schmoopie so the judge granted a safeguard order and he had to move out. Today I am still trying to divorce his sorry ass – he and his lawyer failed to file proper documents, “forget” deadlines, opted to go to trial in an overloaded family court system and then – the icing on the cake – his lawyer withdrew due to “illness” just before our trial date. FW still hasn’t found a new attorney but mine is plugging away and we’ll get there sooner or later.
My biggest regret in all of this is the example I set for my children. FW was pretty much an absentee father even when he was home and my son had a very poor example of how to be a caring, decent human being. My daughter is much more empathetic but I sometimes think she is afraid of forming a relationship with a special person. They know their father cheated but I haven’t given them the details – they can read my journals when I’m dead.
I have gone on too long but I want to assure you that as scary as it may seem, leaving is liberating. I would wager that your health will improve, you will sleep better at night and you will feel so much better about yourself. Keep us posted!
Dear Stuck,
It is never too late to leave a louse. I was 55 when I discovered my FW of thirty years was cheating. I thought it was only once but he slipped up at couples therapy (three sessions, a total waste of money) and let it be known he had been cheating the entire time I had known him. Because he was away half the month for work I never had an inkling though in hindsight there were a few red flags.
I stayed, terrified of the financial consequences as I had been a SAHM since the children were born. Fast-forward ten years and he was sloppy about hiding his latest affair and I had had enough. I did some research, discovered I would be entitled to half his pension and so, at age 65 and forty years of marriage, I decided to file for divorce – much to his surprise.
Along came covid and FW was going out to visit his schmoopie so the judge granted a safeguard order and he had to move out. Today I am still trying to divorce his sorry ass – he and his lawyer failed to file proper documents, “forget” deadlines, opted to go to trial in an overloaded family court system and then – the icing on the cake – his lawyer withdrew due to “illness” just before our trial date. FW still hasn’t found a new attorney but mine is plugging away and we’ll get there sooner or later.
My biggest regret in all of this is the example I set for my children. FW was pretty much an absentee father even when he was home and my son had a very poor example of how to be a caring, decent human being. My daughter is much more empathetic but I sometimes think she is afraid of forming a relationship with a special person. They know their father cheated but I haven’t given them the details – they can read my journals when I’m dead.
I have gone on too long but I want to assure you that as scary as it may seem, leaving is liberating. I would wager that your health will improve, you will sleep better at night and you will feel so much better about yourself. Keep us posted!
I feel like I could have written this letter. I was married to my cheater for 25 years. The first five years, I wasn’t aware of his cheating. Then came D-day, but I was still in graduate school and had just given birth to our second child, and our first child had just been diagnosed with autism. I could not process it, and so I chose to believe him when he said it wouldn’t happen again.
It did. Over and over. But he was sneaky and it was hard to prove what was going on… until I found out I had $30,000 in debt in my name that I didn’t know about, and that he had forged my signature on fraudulent documents to get another $200,000 in illegal funds. To this day, I have no idea where all that money went. But it is worth noting that, as soon as we separated, he started openly frequenting casinos. My hunch is that he was going there all along.
It still took me four years to leave him because my church kept threatening to ex-communicate me if I didn’t give him another chance. Then I found out that he was being inappropriate with our teenage daughter, and that was it. I fled the state, filed for divorce, and never looked back.
My life is 1000% better now. I have a good career, good friends, a better church, and a nice, peaceful home. My finances are stable. My kids and I are very close, and none of them will talk to their dad. My ex now lives hundreds of miles away and (surprise!) is deeply in debt again. He pops up once in a while trying to get back together with me. I tell him that he can start by paying all his back child-support. He disappears again, and I giggle.
My point is this: This problem will not change if you stay with him. If anything, it will likely get worse. (I never even dreamed he was signing my name to fraud. My lawyer told me I couldn’t have gone to prison for everything he put my name on!) In ten years, you will be ten years older and still stuck. OR you can leave, do the hard work, and build a new life. In ten years (or less!) you can be independent and happy, no longer checking his messages and getting your heart broken all over again. But only you can make that decision. The only person who can save you is you.
My life story too except swap out casinos for seedy Asian masseuse escorts
It’s not too late, but don’t expect it to go smoothly.
My ex is still dragging her feet on the divorce.
There is a light at the end of the tunnel however faint it might seem
True.
However, still feels like hell.
She didn’t want me enough to be faithful, yet she won’t let me go.
All while saying that I was the abusive one.
Your English is fine, better than some native speakers.
Your mother wants you to live a long and happy life. Even if you’re a materialist, you can imagine her backing you up. She’s behind you all the way.
Hi Stuck:
I know how you feel. These FW’s wear us down to a nubbin and it is so easy to get paralyzed there, because you have no energy or resilience left, and little self-worth, and know the divorce is going to be like climbing Everest…in your jammies…while carrying 10 heavy suitcases…and now you are lucky to, by exerting your full will and energy, get through the day.
It seems impossible, and exhausting to contemplate.
But I can tell you, as a person in the divorce process, that taking the first two steps will give you courage for the next two. And the two after that. And pretty soon you will look up and find yourself in new scenery, which is a relief, after years of stuckness and stasis. In my case, I started noticing that things had color. It was as if I couldn’t see color for years because the life force had been drained from me and seeing in color took more energy than I had.
Everyone here sees that you have mighty in you. You wrote ChumpLady the letter you were afraid to write. And you wrote an eloquent and thoughtful letter in a language not your natal tongue. You raised your children, mourned your mother, and persevered through very difficult times. You can do this too.
Your husband has underestimated you. He is worthless, of course, so his estimation of you doesn’t matter, but oh, how I would love to be a fly on the wall when he is served. Maybe you could sell raffle tickets and livestream it? I wish I had. My husband told me he would destroy me if I ever divorced him and also the scary lawyer he had picked out to destroy me. I was such a sad, worn down nubbin that it never occured to him that was useful knowledge for me. You should have seen the look on his face when he was served and found out I’d hired the guy he’d planned for my destruction. “It’s not fair!” he bleated like a newborn sheep, “that was my lawyer!”
The advice you have been given by other chumps is golden.
We are rooting for you, Stuck. You have a lot of living left to do, and my wish for you is that you live it present, with integrity, and with joy. You got this.
It is never too late to take care of yourself. I am in my 70s. My ex FW betrayed me for nearly 4 decades. No, I did not go back to school at age 70 (already had my PhD) or begin a new career. But I found myself and have been enjoying life as I had never enjoyed it all of those decades. And I wil not have to take care of him and all of his health issues (he is 76 and has a lot of those issues) I am in better health than he is, in large part to not drinking heavily and exposing myself to STDs, and now run in 5K and 10K races, relay marathons. I also travel and see old friends all over the globe, enjoy many activities from Book Clubs to lectures, to movies and plays, to concerts and working out at the gym. No, I am not interested in getting married or living with anyone else, just happy to be me. It is absolutely not too late, and I urge you to take action. Tuesday is a fabulous day.
You’re an inspiration! It truly is never too late. Living carefree while whatever useful GF appliance your FW will latch on to in his ill health and old age is wiping his ass. LMAO
Leaving him will be the best decision of your life. I too was very scared to leave. I wish I could say I was strong enough to leave after D Day #1 but instead I stayed for the kids and for our joint business. Depleted, broken down and scared, finally it ended when his last affair was so public there was no denying reality (although I still tried to save the marriage even at this point). When it was finally over, the fog cleared and I was so relieved. I got 80% of my brain power back from not having to think about what he was doing now. My kids were happier and performed better in school.
You can do it! 50 is very young! Any age to be free from an abuser is amazing. You will be free to define your own terms and that is worth everything. Sending you love and strength.
Thank you all so much for your kind and encouraging words. Your comments are very inspiring. ❤️
You are not stuck. You have been programmed to think you are but it’s absolutely not true. I’m 60 and working on a PhD in addiction psychology. You can do this.
Dear Stuck,
If you can physically get away from FW, your mind will start to clear. It may take a few months. In the meantime, you are taking steps. Just coming to Chumplady to get support and encouragement is a big step that means you don’t want to stay stuck. On some level you know that staying with a cheater means more abuse, more pain, more shame.
I also waited too long–almost 30 years. By the end, when I kept confronting FW on all of his lying BS, he did not want to leave the house. Then he started to get violent during our fights. That’s when it finally clicked in my brain: This person wants to destroy you!!!
I got a therapist and started to talk about what was happening. That helped me move forward. I confided in a few close friends. That is when the horror of my life really became evident to me. Because until then, I kept lying to myself.
Don’t expect your kids to take your side or to understand what is going on. They are not the ones married to FW. They might even become angry at you for blowing the whistle on FW. Confide in adults who have your back. The kids will have to work on their own relationship with dad. You can say, as Chumplady says, this relationship is not acceptable to me. It makes me feel terrible and that’s not how I want to live. I don’t want to be cheated on. That’s not ok. (Keep it simple.)
FW finally left the home and yes, it was very hard. My young adult kids are still processing the pain of their family splitting up. But I told them, if someone is abusing you, you have my permission to leave. I want them to see that it’s never “too late” or too anything to leave a situation that threatens your life and your peace.
As soon as FW left, I went to see an attorney and it’s taken two years to get divorced. Yes, it’s hard. But is it worth it to live WITHOUT the torment? HELL YES!!!
In Spanish, they say “Mejor sola que mal acompañada!” which means better alone than with bad company.
You can do this!!