Voting for a Different Candidate Is Not an Affair
jesse: if i found out my wife secretly voted for harris, "that's the same thing as having an affair… that violates the sanctity of our marriage… that would be D Day" pic.twitter.com/nbZF3U4X1R
— helena hind (@cynicalzoomer) October 30, 2024
I can’t believe I have to say this, but voting for a different candidate than your husband is not an affair. Apparently, Fox News bobblehead Jesse Watters thinks it is.
“If I found out Emma was going into the voting booth and pulling the lever for Harris, that’s the same thing as having an affair. What else is she hiding from me?”
Jesse watters
I don’t know, Jesse. Your slippers? Her dating profiles? You sound like you’ve got some trust issues, Boo. But let me put your mind at rest.
Voting is not the same thing as an affair.
As a recognized infidelity expert, (and subversive cartoonist), I can say with authority that casting a ballot for a Democrat when you’re married to a Republican is not cheating. Unless you mean this in some naughty double entendre way, like your wife’s vagina is a ballot box and some other guy is stuffing it.
I know women’s autonomy is confusing. So, here’s a handy list of activities that also aren’t cheating.
- When she chooses rocky road ice cream and your preferred flavor is butter pecan. Not cheating!
- She wears stretchy leggings because she likes them. Not cheating!
- She has a credit card in her own name. Also, not cheating!
How could she lie to you?
It’s terrifying when your partner pretends to share your values of raging misogyny and then secretly defies you with a vote for reproductive freedom. But I really don’t think you have anything to fear.
Your wife, and former mistress, Emma DiGiovine seems to have thoroughly internalized the self-hatred it must take to be married to you. She was happy to fuck you when you were married to your first wife Noelle, and had young twin daughters at home.
And when you let the air out of Emma’s tires to get her to ask you for a ride, she didn’t think sociopathic creeper in the workplace — no! She sucked your much older, married dick. The patriarchy’s work is done here, Jesse.
Since that meet cute, Noelle divorced you and Emma won the pick-me dance as your new, much younger wife. Then, she gave you two more children and didn’t bleed out in a parking lot. Why would she vote blue? The universal sisterhood? Pffft! She’s got you to protect her. (At least until you replace her. Vessels are fungible.)
But other women might get ideas!
About the sanctity of marriage and wives being submissive to their husbands? Our lady brains can’t comprehend the hypocrisy of a cheater lecturing us about fidelity. We’re much too busy cross-stitching Bible verses or watching make-up tutorials on TikTok.
Don’t worry your pretty little shellacked head, Jesse. Simmer down. That’s not a ballot in our purse, it’s a shopping list. We were just going out to buy you a present. How could you think we’d deceive you? Don’t you trust us? We’ll discuss this when you’re less emotional.
I hope Noelle is living her best life without this controlling creep.
Speaking from a highly moralistic individual who has proven how much he values the sanctity of marriage. A man of integrity..
Oh, good one!
Exactly! He is the ‘expert’ on violating the sanctity of a marriage!
His old buddy and noted public cheater Newt Gingrich in an effort to be relevant and somehow still given a microphone, agrees whole heartedly with Jesse Watters.The zero self-awareness double standard men only club seems to have more than a few members.
They are not lacking self awareness. They are openly and shamelessly hypocritical in order to gain power. We are watching these shenanigans from the UK in open mouthed horror. (And yes, we have incipient fascinating too)
It’s not just incipient in the US. It slouched towards DC quite a while back.
Fascism not fascinating
Yellow post-it notes appeared on the inside door of the women’s bathroom stalls in the local library reminding women that they have the right to vote for the candidate of their choosing. That no one has the right to control your vote. The note was posted in English and Spanish. The town is very diverse with huge Hispanic and Muslim communities.
While I do not condone posting post-in notes in public bathrooms, I found it interesting and something I never saw in previous elections. And I’ve seen a lot of elections at my age.
I also love the ad that Julia Roberts narrated.
https://youtu.be/P3aC84YZLlU?si=Hxz3_xzScNgi4RmO
Before anyone jumps down my throat – yes, it is a Harris promo – the message is the same. Your vote is exactly that – your vote.
And anyone who thinks that they have the right to control my vote can just try and make me vote against my beliefs. Surviving infidelity has made me one tough MF.
No one has the right to control anyone else’s vote. But lying to your partner is not a good thing.
Arguably, yes, lying to your partner is not a good thing. But what if your safety depended on the lie? Our FWs lied to us for their own benefit of cake eating, not personal safety. But what if a lie will save you from a beating? Lying is not a preferred action but there can be good reasons to do it.
Again, partners should not have to lie to each other to keep the peace. They do not have to agree on everything. I would not want to be in a relationship where lying is acceptable. When I found out mine was lying, I booted him out. I do not think anyone wants to be with a liar.
Neither is living with a controlling, abusive partner who believes he has a right to control your vote.
I think lying to a controller/abuser to keep yourself safe while you line up your ducks for an eventual exit is a good lie. A much better lie than, “I’m just running out to get another six-pack,” said over the shoulder as he’s rushing off for a blow job in the parking lot of the liquor store.
Again, we agree. I said lying should not be necessary for a good relationship; if you lie to protect yourself, that is not a good relationship. I do not like liars, which is why I dumped my ex, but that is how I was raised.
Whoa!
If your partner is intimidating you to vote a certain way that is against your values, then the problem is not in the lying.
And that is my point. The lying is just the tip of the iceberg to much deeper problems.
Again, the problem is not the lying about who you’re voting for, how much of your own money you spent on that designer handbag or why you didn’t get the time to darn their socks. The problem is the deeper issues.
Yes, I agree. If you have to lie to your partner, you are not in a good relationship. If you have to lie about who you voted for, how many other things do you have to lie about.
No one has a right to ask me who I voted for either. If a woman is lying to her partner about her vote, I think the partner should be the one thinking about why she had to?
Oh gosh, I would have no problem with my partner asking me who I voted for and I see nothing wrong with me asking him. I had a great marriage, and my deceased husband and I talked about everything. We did not have to have secrets, which was why our marriage was wonderful. Now, the second husband, cheater, not so much.
If you understand the difference between a good marriage and a bad one, perhaps you can understand why some women choose to lie about things like who they voted for or how much of their own money they spent on something they love. During my brief second marriage to a cheater/abuser, I did lie about who I voted for because I wasn’t in the mood for a beating that evening.
I do not think people in a good marriage have to lie to each other, which seems to be true in your case. Couples should be able to express their feelings without lying. My ex lied about many things, so he is my ex.
I always figured they were misty-eyed and nostagic for the 1950s, but if the 19th amendment is a bridge too far I guess we’re looking at something like the late 19c or the first decade of the 20th.
Ready for this election to be over. Those hogs on The View are interrupting my college football games with their stupid rhetoric. Kamala’s laugh is going to make me have another spinal surgery. The Fox Dumbasses has gone beserk. I don’t remember Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan calling each other fascist and misogynistic in 1980. This whole, entire election process has gotten out of hand. Jesse Waters, George Clooney, Julia Roberts, Donald Trump, Kamala Harris, JD Vance, and Tampon Tim can all go fuck themselves.
Classy.
And yet you resort to name calling yourself. In a Chump Lady post about misogyny, you haul out the insult “Tampon Tim.” I hope your post gets pulled.
My apologies….”Mr. Walz”….”Governor Walz”….whatever. If it will straighten out your bloomers, I voted for the goofball.
It’s become the norm in our country now. If you (or anybody – I just personalize it because I am responding to your post) are so disturbed by the breakdown of common decency and manners in our society then start with “the man in the mirror” (woman?) and maybe your example will be contagious, as disrespect and name calling has been for the past few decades.
Yes there were plenty of shouts of fascist and communist etc going both ways, even before Regan, difference was they let their minions do it while they “stayed above the fray”.
But I agree what a sorry lot across the board in terms of character and personality.
I focus on issues, and don’t give two craps about who my neighbor is voting for.
I’m a Brit and so maybe I should keep my opinion to myself ….. but will someone please tell me that that was a “Saturday Night Live” skit or just some kind of troll having a bit of fun, and not a real person with a real opinion that he expects other people to take seriously?
LFTT
Sadly, that was the real thing. We have a lot of troglodytes in the US. As is being proved as I type.
It seems to me that since Jimmy Carter, Democratic candidates are comfortable being seen as an “Everyman” (or woman)…a regular person who seeks a leadership role as peer to the citizenry, not as a superior. Being on SNL was a way to reach people. I love SNL and I love Harris and I loved the segment and I dont see it as her lowering herself to a level that deserves the description of “troll”.
I don’t think LFTT was criticizing the actual SNL skit (may not have even known SNL did a skit in which the real Harris made an appearance) but saying he wishes the absurd Fox News segment in which Watters compared a woman hiding her vote to cheating was a skit and not a real news program.
HoaC,
That was exactly the point I was trying to make …… I really struggle to see how anyone could draw a parallel between one’s spouse exercising their democratic right through the means of a secret ballot and them being unfaithful and keep a straight face.
As an aside, while I completely disagree with my Ex’s political views, I defend her right to express them (and to vote in secret in line with those views) with every fibre of my being. I might be naive, but I thought that was how this was supposed to work?
LFTT
Yes, that’s exactly why the ballot is secret– to protect people from having their vote coerced or being punished for how they voted. So basically the rights to either refuse to report how you voted or– in the case you fear any kind of reprisal– lie about how you voted are codified in the system.
I guess Immanuel Kant would find this abhorrent but then Kant thought democracy itself is a scourge.
You don’t have to keep your opinion to yourself because, according to global polls, US presidents are viewed (largely unfavorably) by many as virtual presidents of the world. Plus Murdoch– the puppet master pulling Fox News anchors’ Howdy Doody strings– first unleashed his fascist brand of fun in the Australian and UK press. David Hare and Howard Brenton are both Brits and had a lot to say about Murdoch in their play Pravda.
Fox News is an actual non-parody news network.
And Fox News is beloved by misogynists and cheaters everywhere for the pulchritude of their news readers.
Correction: Self parody news network
I now strongly suspect my FW did this, except for Trump He used to smirk and say “nobody knows what happens behind the (voting booth) curtain” ):
I hope the lying, cheating, financially disastrous, tv-ratings-obsessed, narcissistic sadist finally, finally gets what’s coming to him after these years of gaslighting and cruelty. I’m talking about my husband. Court date finally set after years of financial and litigation abuse!
In 2016 my FW (a la Dave Barry, I am not making this up) hated Trump and so voted for…. himself, as a write in. He said he could not vote for a woman. I don’t miss him.
He sounds like a real prince.
OK this twist was good!! I thought my X was open, loved woman and supported my voice. He turned out to be a woman hater under cover of darkness. Coercive and controlling. It became life threatening for me to stay with both my cheaters. The way they change is frightening to me
Yes, hoping that goes well for you.
My attorney really, really thought mine was going to trial, but in a bold move that involved my ex’s attorney, we got it settled. I was pleased with the terms. Then my ex dragged out closeout (of course) until he ran out of things to go after and finally got into a more stable relationship.
I will never get that kind of thinking, but of course, it’s narcissistic injury.
Thank you for your good wishes, Elsie!
I don’t like it when my partner lies to me. This is just one lie, which still makes that person a liar. What else are they lying about?
If a partner feels safe and valued and considered a full person with the right to her own opinion, she would not have to lie. The fact that she feels the need to lie shows that she is not safe. Whether the fallout would be nasty words or being beaten up, she is not safe. Creating a milieu where one partner is not safe is the issue, not lying.
When my now husband and I started dating, I was a Republican. We married in 2015 and Trump came along. I couldn’t stand him from the get-go. It’s rather remarkable that our very new marriage wasn’t more threatened by this dynamic but we both chose to treat each other with respect. I didnt have to lie. He got to the place where he could not vote for Harris, but neither would he vote for Trump. He abstained on the Presidential race and voted for the other offices. He is also the chief of his voting precinct and doing his best to keep the election fair and accurate.
I agree and that goes both ways, if you have to lie to avoid being assaulted by those who disagree, then that is what you have to do.
Luckily I have never needed to lie about politics to my spouse, not even the FW. But I do keep my political conversation to myself in many cases. I don’t consider it a lie, it is my right to keep my vote private. In fact it used to be considered in bad taste to even ask anyone about their vote. I think that was a good thing.
Exactly! If you have to lie, you are not in a safe place. I do not support lying in a relationship under any circumstances.
Then clearly you do not understand what it is to be unsafe. I am happy for you. But the problem with your statement is that you are judging anyone who is or has ever been in an unsafe place and felt they had to lie to keep themselves as safe as possible. If you haven’t been there, don’t judge.
So if a battered woman casually says, “See you tonight, honey” as her batterer walks out the door to go to work but, instead, packs up documents and kids and moves into a shelter, this brands her as unjustiably devious?
This gets into a typical philosophical debate about Kant’s categorical imperative against lying in which one side or another proposes the argument that, to be genuinely honest, one would be compelled to tell the Nazis that a Jewish family is hiding in one’s attic. https://academic.oup.com/book/5430/chapter-abstract/148272683?redirectedFrom=fulltext
Exactly!
Thank the Good Lord. I am not in that position, but I do not believe lying to one’s partner is good. I have taught my daughters, and in turn, they have taught their children that lying is a bad thing. There really isn’t anything you can say that would convince me that lying is good. I was not brought up that way.
Nobody is saying it’s good. The point is that if telling the truth means you will be unsafe, you really have no viable option but to lie. Are you saying you’d take a beating (or sustained verbal and emotional abuse) just to able to tell the truth?
I would not. Again, I do not think there is a good reason to lie in a good relationship, and I am referring to a good one. I have had both, a good and a bad one. I did not have to lie about anything in my good relationship other than when planning his surprise birthday party, and as far as I know, neither did my husband. I should have lied during my bad relationship, but I did not know better then. The lying by my FW, just about did me in.
If you had to lie to keep yourself from being beaten, strangled, shot at or abandoned in the desert with no water and no shoes, perhaps you would understand. But since you do not understand, please feel free to NOT judge those of us who have lied to keep from being beaten, strangled, shot at, knifed or abandoned in the desert.
Where’s the freakin’ ‘Downvote’ button when you need one?
People in a good relationship do not need to lie to each other. I had a good relationship and we did not lie to each other, we accepted our differences. I also had a relationship with a liar, had, in past tense and I didn’t particularly appreciate being lied to. I am not sure what part of this you do not understand. If you lie to save your life, that is a completely different scenario and not what this post is about at all.
Give it up, Trippin. Read the room. You’ve not going to convince us that there are no circumstances where it’s OK to lie.
Well bully for you. Since you don’t know anything about the relationship described in this blog post, you cannot say that was not the reason she lied.
Saving your life is not the only scenario in which lying becomes necessary. Avoiding abuse is a perfectly good reason. The solution is to get out of the abusive relationship rather than to lie, but surely you know how difficult that can be.
I don’t think she does know how difficult it is to get out of an abusive relationship; and she’d rather judge those of us who DO know for lying than try to understand it.
I am not sure what bully for you means. The blog post is about a Fox News personality I know nothing about, and he commented on a wife I don’t know anything about and a relationship I know nothing about. The post is about lying to your husband about who you voted for. I was lied to, and it did not work out well. So my comment stays. People in a GOOD relationship should not have to lie to each other about anything because no good can ever come out of it. You make it sound like I am on the FW side, which could not be further from the truth.
I don’t remember where I read this, but
“a woman trapped in a controlling, abusive marriage often becomes her husband’s second vote.”
The type of man who would actually say something this asenine is definitely the type of man who would expect his wife to vote how he dictates.
Jesse Watters is a wreck. He’s one of the worst on Fox News, IMHO.
My ex used to have twisted conversations with me at times about how his way was the only way down to what I wore and what I served for dinner. Over time, that really messed with me.
So glad that chapter is closed.
SNL already cracked wise about Jesse Watters’ comment, also has the real Harris rhyming her own name with her impersonator. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6Funs6yyEw
I find it so disturbing that these commercials are necessary. In the year of our lord TWENTY TWENTY FOUR, that a woman could feel that she has to hide her own agency?!?! I mean, what is going on here?
There are still coercive controllers and abusers in 2024. Sadly. If someone believes that they have to lie about who they voted for in order to avoid a beating or worse, they’re usually right. The problem isn’t women hiding their agency; the problem is men who would control them.
It’s part of the “Tradwife” trend. https://www.salon.com/2024/11/03/i-voted-for-donald-in-2016-because-my-husband-did-im-not-going-back/
I fear that I have already waxed a little too hard political on here today. That being said-it is interesting as always to see the tonal differences in the advertising. One side seems to be promoting a lot more hope(using future tense, happier music, brighter tones). The other side seems to be using a lot more fear and intimidation(darker tones, the future conditional tense, more percussive music.) I’ll let everybody draw their own conclusions.
My head about popped off when I heard that FW douchebag say that. But then, he’s on Fox news…what can you expect? They put on real special people there that are interviewed by equally special people. Special ignorant…
I didnt know enough about Watters to know that he cheated on his first wife (busy raising twins) with a much younger howorker. To me he is the embodiment of the brash haters in our culture who (like Trump) says all the nasty things about people that folks trying to look decent and polite dont say.
At my core, I love my country but the fact that he makes $12,000,000 a year being mean and stoking trouble amongst his countrymen while I could not make a living wage doing pediatric end of life care is a travesty.
God bless you unicornomore. What a tough job, with little reward financially as you say, but also so heartbreaking on the daily. I’m sure your patients and their families value you far above $$$.
Why don’t we just follow the lead in countries that robe women from head to toe and stand at polling stations with guns to “protect them”. Also those that stuff the boxes with the only candidates and get rid of the others. Maybe join China and Russia and a multitude of other countries in a dictatorship. Is that all we have left ? Allow us to vote our conscience, stay out of our democracy..all you evil people who wish to use force or coercion. Let us vote 🗳 and stay free from cheaters and liars.
You know what, I applaud whoever this Jesse is for comprehending on some level that how we internalize infidelity is on a sliding scale and that there are things that are deal breakers related to that. At least the idiot got that far.
I immediately withdraw that applause for everything else wrapped around that and roll my eyes. And he’s a fuckwit, too! I had a pretty good idea when I saw the picture at the top and saw a Fox News chyron where this was going.
I mean, using that logic, I should have kicked my fuckwit to the curb in 2016 when she voted for Trump.
Wait…shit…
Bravo, fearless leader for the brilliant satire! You may have saved one of my employee’s lives since I got the belly laugh out of that!
It is my deep hope that tomorrow results in the end of this tribal division in this country-sadly I don’t think that’s going anywhere. And that we can come together as a nation and go “you know, maybe rape isn’t OK”.
Have a Mighty Monday(and please vote tomorrow!)
She voted for Trump? Fascinating.
Not that all women who voted for Trump are abusive cheaters but if you put the two things together it’s kind of telling, especially if you consider how Trump and his acolytes don’t merely aim gender slurs at women but also at men who “fail” to sufficiently embody or uphold “toxic masculinity.” It would seem to follow that women who support Trump and were already geared to be abusive in intimate relationships, they might feel further deputized by the gendered rhetoric to express increased contempt for non-knuckle-dragging men and show increased preference for knuckle-draggers.
There was even an academic study that tracked Trump’s use of terms from the “manosphere” lexicon which, all told, seems to place even bigger fatwas on male “gender traitors” as it does uppity females. https://www.napnieuws.nl/2017/01/19/donald-j-trump-and-the-manosphere/
It goes to my interest in the recent social theory that the perfect counterpart to “toxic” or exaggerated masculinity is “toxic” or exaggerated femininity and that both are more likely to engage in coercive sexual behavior.
If you think about it, regardless of who’s subscribing to any kind of messed up artificial hierarchy– whether they demand top dog status in the structure or embrace a subordinate role– they all end up thinking and behaving in similar ways even if those behaviors seem contradictory to their accepted status. Basically even the lackeys within this structure are still promised the satisfaction of looking down on/feeling superior to, a designated group of scapegoats precisely because they draw their sense of “superior” self worth from group identification and upholding the group’s power-abusing “us vs. them” principles of that hierarchy and policing against those “inferior” types who don’t. For example, white supremacists tend to also be deeply patriarchal and, though racist women commonly embrace subordinate status to white men, this does not extend to men of color nor even white male “race traitors” who are seen as fair game for contempt or worse.
I guess the short way to say this is that those who invest in pecking orders tend to peck and even the ones on the bottom will peck anyone perceived not have status within that structure or perceived not to invest.
My fellow chumps. Go visit the Lincoln library in Springfield Illinois and walk through the room with all the political posters. You will see some horrendous portrayals of Lincoln all over that room. Looking like a monkey with a million insults on every inch of paper. This is why I don’t believe that we humans evolved. We are worse than animals and not going upwards ot getting better, but sliding downhill. It’s too bad.
You’re definitely onto something there. The “myth of human moral progress” is connected to the long-debunked theory that evolution is “teleological” or “a view of evolution that suggests that it is directional and predetermined, with a goal or purpose”– and that purpose is generally assumed to be about “improving.” But, in fact, evolution is simply a matter of a species accruing traits– for better or worse– in response to random environmental factors.
There’s a whole book on that subject you might enjoy titled “When Atheism Becomes Religion.” It’s not actually an attack on atheism or atheists but about a specific pseudo-ideological movement generally framed as “organized rationalism” or the “Skeptics” which is essentially an existentialist cult of “scientism” (junk science, usually regarding genetics, which an authority deems absolute and unquestionable– in other words, like an absolutist religious dictate but under the banner of science).
Anyway, one of the themes the author focuses on is the myth of human moral evolution. As a cult, the Skeptics have to do the thing that defines all cults which is to pretend that moral evolution is possible by selling the totally crock idea that paradise on earth is possible… if only people will follow the vaunted leaders of the cult who are themselves supposedly examples of morally evolved, transcendent individuals. Some of the Skeptics’ thought leaders, like Richard Dawkins, actually subscribe to another debunked concept– Lamarckian evolution (though rebranded as “memetic evolution”)– which posits that acquired traits like thoughts and beliefs can be “heritable.” In this way the cult can promise that subscribing to the cult’s belief systems will actually change people’s DNA and make them genetically “better” whereas believing in things that the cult does not condone will make people genetically inferior (and, by the way, killable according to leading Skeptic icon Sam Harris).
It’s really just Nazi bs or general totalitarian nonsense. The Nazis believed the Aryan race was morally superior and promised that, by forcibly breeding and culling the rest of humanity, they could get rid of the inferior elements, breed superior elements and pave the way for “paradise on earth.” Stalin believed that bourgeois ideology was heritable which justified slaughtering or starving entire ethnic groups, regional populations and political classes. Former fascist Spanish dictator Franco believed that socialism was heritable (passed on by “politically psychopathic” Republican mothers) which justified the theft and displacement of 300,000 infants in order to “lessen the expression” of the supposed “red gene.”
Basically there’s no guarantee that our species will get better in any way, least of all morally. There’s no guarantee we’ll get worse either though, in light of the modern chemical shitstorm we’re swimming in, it seems sadly likely. Turns out PFAs, pesticides and synthetic hormones alter DNA for the worse. But, imagining we can some clean up the world and avert climate change disaster, simply being realistic about the static status of human moral nature could actually be helpful in somewhat improving things through cautious long term social engineering and organization. You can’t fix anything if you don’t admit what exactly is wrong with it to begin with and what’s “wrong” with humans is we’re basically apes with smart phones and a lot of atomic bombs.
You always bring such interesting commentary to the table. I tend to not see society as macro as you do. I always learn from you- thanks
You are very kind to say so and thanks back for all the insights you share.
I just had dinner with a friend who jokingly calls himself a “misanthropologist” because he’s got a similar obsession for figuring out behavior patterns, why humans do weird things and political ripple-in-the-pond effects. I think it relates to that great Merlin quote that CL likes to share periodically– that the only thing to do with heartbreak and trauma is to learn because it’s the one thing that can’t be taken away from us. But I think it’s also because people who experience trauma often end up feeling retraumatized by all the toxic disinformation and victim-blaming nonsense that’s so frequently framed as scientific fact or wisdom, probably precisely because shitheads throughout history are so committed to controlling the narrative for everyone else and pretending all the crappy things they do are “for the greater good” when, in fact, it has quite the reverse effect in a political sense.
I know that was my dad’s reaction to combat trauma– reading everything. Aside from helping him process human darkness and aggression and war, just like the friend I had dinner with, it actually made him curiously cheerful in the long run so that seemed like a pretty good remedy all around. There seems to be joy in digging around for the truth, not the least of which is debunking the flaming bullshit. I don’t even think I’d be as interested in social science if it wasn’t for all the weaponized garbage we’ve all have shoved down our throats. Like the African proverb says, history is usually written by the hunter, not the tiger. It’s actually quite fun to trump the “hunter.”
My FW slammed me into a door when he found out that I hadn’t voted the same as he. I had cancelled out his vote. He had a degree in political science and was the “expert” so I should listen to him.
And for the record, he was a Democrat. And as far as I know still is. I’m having a hard time imagining him voting for a woman just as I do imagining him voting for a black man. But anything is possible. Unlikely, but possible. But I don’t spend much time thinking about him.
Y’all vote for whomever you wish.
Whoa, I read this a few times..though I am a chair bound historian who loves to take classes…this makes sense Ina sad way. As a human I had hoped we would become wiser and learn from our mistakes. I see now, each generations goes Duh…what happened before??? And we have to repeat the same things that did.not. work before. Burn the library of experience, forget the wisdom, think science has ALL the answers and forget completely the golden rule.
It’s so simple, kindergartens teach these basics, but no, we have to start over. I’m sorry for us
But leaving a cheater still led to my freedom so I’m staying evolved from there. Learned from CL and CN!!!
Jesus, I’m so sorry.
Both of my ex-FWs were Democrats. I don’t know what’s worse — pretending to have egalitarian values, or being transparently, brazenly misogynistic. Actually, they’re both terrible. I vote Democrat, but I never see any party as shorthand for good character.
Bear in mind that most countries reserve far harsher punishments for internal traitors than they do captured enemy combatants.
Just talking for myself I don’t tend to take political figures from opposing ideologies that personally. To me they’re like natural disasters– something to be anticipated and combated and cleaned up after. But I get really pissed off about neoliberal faux progressives.
LOL. That is one reason among many that I voted the day after early voting was available.
So satisfying to say, “I’ve already voted, and now it’s between me and God.”
I guess how my ex voted, but at this point it doesn’t matter.
Let’s ask single mother Noelle Inguagiato Watters what she thinks about his demands.
X.com/OMGchronicles/status/1590918954213847040
So he’s basically saying that because single women vote Dem, men should go marry them so that they’ll vote the other way? Can you imagine? “Sweetheart, I think your voting habits are misguided. Marry me and I’ll tell you how to vote.” Ridiculous.
I’m pretty much over all this election! Anyone who has a voice is manipulating for their party under the guise of “opinion”. I even think this post is. Further, I think it’s disgusting that any news agency is legally allowed to show bias. Fox, CNN, ABC, et al the whole damn lot!!!
So you are against people expressing opinions? You think opinions are manipulation? So why are you expressing your opinion?
It’s not bias when a news source reports the truth. It’s bias when they lie, which only one news source on your list does with regularity and as policy.
Well, it’s my blog and I don’t pretend to be an unbiased news source. When Watters crossed into affair territory, my wheelhouse, he became fair game. Also, he’s a blithering idiot.
Like all FWs and all misogynists, he has lied to himself for so long that he believe the lies and is allergic to the truth. That’s what makes people like this so scary. They believe any form of female autonomy is immoral. That’s the real reason they hate abortion. It’s not actually about “killing poor, innocent little babies.”
They are fully willing (and possibly happy in some cases) to let women die just to deny them bodily autonomy. Maternal mortality is 62% higher in states with abortion restrictions. Infant mortality is also higher. So forced birthers are killing babies themselves, actual full term, wanted babies.
Rant concluded.
Sources;
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10728320/
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/abortion-restrictions-higher-maternal-infant-mortality-rcna61585
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2024/analysis-suggests-2021-texas-abortion-ban-resulted-in-increase-in-infant-deaths-in-state-in-year-after-law-went-into-effect
FW and I never discussed how we voted, or who we were going to vote for. Not in 40 years. Sometimes we would collaborate on the notes about the numerous judges, but the big races, we never talked about. I always considered it private.
I think I would have been tempted to kill him if he thought he could have that level of control over me.
……..and if you don’t vote for who she is voting for then you are cheating on her? Sounds like wash to me!
WTF Watters is confusing (fudging) two distinct concepts.
All that hair shellac has seeped into his creepy FW frontal lobe.
One concept (voting) concerns the right to voter privacy. This right to privacy flows from an assumption of the absolute individual agency of able adults to participate in the democratic process.
The vow of marriage includes to love and respect.
Respect ought to mean that a spouse should acknowledge and allow for the full autonomy and agency of their partner.
There is no defensible social standard that can maintain that spouses have, or ought to have a conjoined, ‘shared brain’.
Conversely, the non-related concept of infidelity concerns the concepts of consent and harm.
Cheating cause harm and is conducted without the knowledge of the person most effected by the Cheater’s actions. All within an illusory framework of declared reciprocity, pledged loyalty and mutual trust.
To say voting with agency and privacy is the same as royally fucking over an innocent party is like saying that growing pineapples in the tropics is identical to dumping oil in the Arctic circle.
Fuck off Watters….
The FW XW lied to me all the time. Or avoided telling me things. For example, how she had an accident with our car. Didn’t think I would notice the car now had a yellow stripe on the one side after she sideswiped it against a post at a local parking garage.
This was not because she had anything to fear from me physically. She simply never wanted to admit to me that she could make a mistake. It was PRIDE. Excessive pride (and it ran big-time in her whole family).
When I saw the damage, I just shook my head. I can’t even remember how I brought it up to her. Just couldn’t believe that she thought I wouldn’t notice. I wrote it off as one of her strange quirks. I shouldn’t have. It was a red flag.
I realized that when she later said after D-day that she could never talk to me, what she meant was, she could never talk to me when she had done something wrong, or was doing something unilaterally that I wouldn’t support.
Like devaluing me, and my family over time. Like fucking her boss behind my back to make sure he was a completely suitable new companion for her. It wasn’t just his millions, you see. Maybe mostly that, but not all!🙄🤣
She had no trouble telling me I was doing things wrong (in her opinion). My job was to listen to her tell me the way things should be, aka her way, always, and fall in line.
Any significant deviation from this (I didn’t load the dishwasher right, if that’s gives you a clue regarding her idea of significant), and there I was, a problem husband. I did a lot of things wrong in my marriage. But not everything. Towards the end, when she started devaluing me and seducing her boss? Nothing I did was right.
So, to accommodate this person that I loved so much, I kept making myself smaller and smaller. I must be the problem. She said so. And she wouldn’t project her faults on to me, right? She really loves me, and you don’t do that to people you love, right?🙄
No more of her bullshit is a wonderful thing.
Wishing everyone in CN a safe and peaceful Election Day. You too, CL. I’m in VA on vacation this week, just outside of D.C. I’m not sure this was my smartest idea ever, but here I am. I’m near my daughter, who I believe voted for Kamala. I’m also near my sister, who I believe voted for Trump. Sigh.
P.S. I got a Kamala for President T-shirt for half off on Sunday outside the Archives building in D.C. (my 26 yo daughter wanted to see the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, so we did. Got the Magna Carta thrown in for free as well!).😁
The gentleman that sold it to me said it was half off because he sold most of his stuff at a rally on Saturday. He had very little merchandise left. His competition on the street for Trump merchandise had tons left! It gave me hope.
Jesse Watters is a cheater himself and obviously an idiot. But idiots are gonna idiot, and the guy is a wannabe edge lord, not much else. The bigger issue I have with this commercial is the mixed messaging. You’re a strong, independent woman who is willing to assert her rights at the ballot box; just don’t tell your husband. Instead, mouth words and signal to each other like you’re making plans to escape from a POW camp. If a woman has to hide her beliefs from her husband, or she risks being abused or bullied, it’s time to leave the marriage. I can’t imagine not being able to tell my husband who I’m voting for. And we are voting for different candidates.
Yes, I just loved the way so many men publicly freaked out at the idea of their wives voting as they pleased! I hope they did!
🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
I sincerely hope that Emma secretly votes DIVORCE ATTORNEY and serves Clown Man Baby with papers just before he steps on the air.
I’ll buy the popcorn. 🍿🍿🍿