Give Up on Closure with a Cheater

closure with a cheater

A rookie mistake of newly minted chumps is thinking they need closure with a cheater. Nope. You need no contact.

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I got a really nice letter from a really nice reader “Chump Chap.” He wrote to me after he realized that he’d just gotten a non-apology apology from his cheating ex. But he didn’t realize it was a fake apology until later. And then it was GAH! She’s wasn’t sorry was she? Chumped again!

The non-apology apology is a whole other lecture on chump rookie errors. Today we’re tackling the grievous chumpy mistake Chump Chap committed:

He sought out his cheater to ask her why.

It’s idiotic, but people who’ve been betrayed wonder why — and ask. You aren’t alone wanting closure with a cheater.

Oh why oh why oh why did you do this to me? WHY?!

Logically, you direct this question to the person who fucked you over — the cheater.

Except it isn’t logical!

They don’t have a good reason.

And every reason they give you, I promise chumps, is going to piss you OFF.

“I dunno. Got bored I suppose.”

“He had a nice ass.”

It’s worse if they’ve spent any time on infidelity boards. Now they have a whole new vocabulary to mindfuck you with.

“I was broken from my FOO issues. It was the toxic shame borne of hand bell choir and that ugly sweater my aunt knit that my mother INSISTED I wear — I couldn’t bear my uncoolness, and I needed external validation. Lots and lots of validation. So I learned very early to lie to get what I wanted. (A Somalian refugee stole the sweater. I’m allergic to hand bells.) I guess I never stopped. Fucking those strangers on Craigslist was a coping mechanism. But I never stopped loving you, Chump Chap. I suppose a part of me will always love you. But I’m involved with Nigel now — and it’s complicated.”

Why would you stick your head in that blender?

Ask for closure with a cheater, the worst of them are going to blame you. “I cheated because you’re fat” or “You weren’t meeting my needs.” Or they’re going to wax poetic about their affair partner. “What Tiffany and I have is real. God, she’s so good for me. Look, it’s all for the best! We’re both in better places now!”

Resist the urge for closure, chumps. Relationship autopsies do not bring relationships back to life. And thank God, because imagine the Walking Dead zombie nightmare that would be. (Actually, anyone who has experienced false reconciliation has lived exactly that nightmare.) These things are better left DEAD.

Because when you ask your cheater why — especially after they are your ex — what you’re really trying to do is keep the relationship alive. You need sparkles. Gimme a hit on the crack pipe of hope. You want validation from this person that they Really Didn’t Mean It and have a very good reason for putting you through this hell. You want validation from the very person who just invalidated you. Was I so bad?

Cheaters cop to needing closure all the time. Just not with you.

“I just have to meet her at that hotel in New Mexico… for closure. It just isn’t right to dump her with a no contact letter. What we had, well, I owe it to her to do it in person.” We know what closure means — it means they can’t quit the kibbles.

With chumps though — it’s like we can’t quit feeding the kibbles. Because seeking them out, demanding an answer, is kibbles to the cheater. We are reinforcing their centrality in our lives. It is the opposite of meh.

We may think we’re seeking closure to shame them, or demand accountability. They don’t see it that way. They see it as kibbles. “Isn’t that sweet? Chump can’t get over me. They’re so broken up. God, I’m fabulous. I’m sorry there isn’t enough of me to go around. Well really, I offered you a piece but you wanted the whole thing. Too bad, so sad.”

Closure doesn’t exist. Well, not in the sense that they’re going to give you a reason that will make the heavens part and confer enlightenment. You do the hard work to heal yourself over time and find acceptance. It’s probably never going to make sense to you why they betrayed you. If you’re a good person, it shouldn’t make sense.

Why did they cheat? Because they could. Because they gave themselves permission to do it. They didn’t care about how it would hurt you. Not enough.

Ouch. There’s your closure.

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HM
HM
8 years ago

“I couldn’t bear my uncoolness, and I needed external validation. Lots and lots of validation. So I learned very early to lie to get what I wanted.” – This is my cheater to a T.

The reason he gave (not that I ever asked, but it came in the false apology letter) implied that it was my fault, nice touch.

At the end of the day, this is all you need to know: “Because they gave themselves permission to do it. They didn’t care about how it would hurt you. Not enough.”

QueenDingbat
QueenDingbat
8 years ago
Reply to  HM

Yes! They gave themselves permission. Rationalized foolishness in their own minds!

Tempest
Tempest
8 years ago

“Why would you stick your head in that blender?”

Best.line.ever.

Scott
Scott
8 years ago
Reply to  Tempest

This is a cartoon waiting to happen.

Boudica Reborn
Boudica Reborn
8 years ago
Reply to  Tempest

Yes! That conjures up quite a visual!

cheaterssuck
cheaterssuck
8 years ago
Reply to  Tempest

Agreed! Definitely saving that quote for the chump hall of fame!

Ohana
Ohana
8 years ago
Reply to  Tempest

Agreed!

Tracy
Tracy
8 years ago

Needed this….especially today. Had it out with my attorney yesterday over the final draft….epic his lawyer conveniently left off items… I have been prepared for trial for 2 years. My attorney is like so what just sign this. I said no….. he said “sign or fire me” …. so I fired him.
Maybe not the smartest thing to do….but I am over the bullshit of take my shit sandwich and eat it….its good for you. Not from my husband or from my attorneys. Attorney’s are notoriously narcissistic. I’ve had my fill.
My stbx totally has blamed me….my weight gain…. for his cheating. Oh well I wish your bald head…beer gut…chipped front tooth would have been taken care of too….not to mention your empathy meter towards your own daughters. But hey….you’re happy with the new chic and her 3 sons who adore you…you go to all the football games…volunteer in the concession stand…. yet…your daughters senior year of band missed every single game and refused to walk her for senior recognition.
Yup….I am a chump…for wanting an explanation as to why you are an asshole. I stupidly think it will somehow help me to understand why I allowed your bad behavior prior to Magical Migdalia entering your life.

Einstein
Einstein
8 years ago
Reply to  Tracy

Good for you for firing him! The bloodsucking bottom feeder lawyer has already made TONS of money off of you, and just wants this off his plate. What an ass. Please take out a full page add letting everybody know he’s an unethical divorce-chaser.

Tempest
Tempest
8 years ago
Reply to  Tracy

Yeah, Tracy, for firing your lawyer!! It takes us awhile, but we finally stand up for ourselves when it counts.

RockStarWife
RockStarWife
8 years ago
Reply to  Tempest

Tracy, may life start looking up for you. I just fired my lawyers, too! Sick and tired of being figuratively screwed by lawyers and judges along with my STBX. (Nearly broke, too.) I hope to high heaven that my new lawyer will see me through this very long mini-series of Friday the 13th and Halloween combined. (I feel like the girl who escapes Freddy or Jason in one movie only to be slaughtered in the next.)

And Chump Lady, you crack me up! You are DEAD ON!

Chumpette
Chumpette
8 years ago
Reply to  Tracy

Tracy, you are a Mighty Cbump! you deserve a better lawyer and…and you WILL find one.

my lawyer also got tired of XH’s antics, and all the drama that trails behind. ugh. with any luck we will find a lawyer who was chumped too…as i face more Cluster B punishments and splitting from XH, i have decided to try to find one. most of the current punishment (mine changes…) is in the form of slandering me (to justify his cruelty) and trying to change the generous property settlement he agreed to years ago – when MOW was pressuring him to hurry up! get out of marriage! we will live happily ever after!

apparently not, if they still need me as their hypotenuse. or whatever. i divorced him over 2 years ago. huh?? i thought that’s what they wanted!! which brings me full circle to today’s post about cheater logic – not sticking my head in that blender again 🙂

related note – a main part of my current punishment from XH is about going NC. this really pisses off narcs. Bill Elliot’s book about Splitting addresses this but his solutions do not fit my situation. would like to hear if NC has backfired on other chumps too and how you handled it. will also post over on Forum.

moxie
moxie
8 years ago
Reply to  Chumpette

Chumpette,

Can you give more info re: this book?

Tracy
Tracy
8 years ago

Oh my gosh….this is on point….
Yea….my husband’s girlfriends husband told me she was good for that…. that was her signature move. She even texted me that I am.jealous I don’t know how to suck her man’s dick. I….. sure….as….hell….am not jealous.

Anita
Anita
8 years ago
Reply to  Tracy

They aren’t called cumdumpsters for nothing. That’s what the affair partners are. Not really sure when being an easy whore became life’s greatest achievement.

Tempest
Tempest
8 years ago
Reply to  Anita

“cumdumpsters”–brilliant, Anita!!

Anita
Anita
8 years ago
Reply to  Tempest

Thank you, Tempest. I wish i could say it’s original but it’s not. Picked it up somewhere, but not sure where.

Roberta
Roberta
8 years ago
Reply to  Anita

Anita, I referred to my Ex’s Schmoopie as “the semen vessel”!

Roberta
Roberta
8 years ago
Reply to  Roberta

PS, kind of the same thing when you refer to a “spittoon” instead of a bowl full of hockers! Ha! Ha! Ha! Just a bit more PC, but everyone gets it!

Portia
Portia
8 years ago
Reply to  Tracy

Maybe you should have texted her back on this one, “It’s not that I don’t know how, it’s that I prefer NOT to do that. It is tiresome that all he wants is something that requires no effort on his part, and I have many other, better, more enjoyable things to do with my time.”

Really — you are probably better off not replying, Ignoring her barbs is not giving her any satisfaction at all. But I would be tempted, I have to admit. How low class is it to text a man’s ex wife with that kind of crappy information?

You can comfort yourself with the knowledge that soon he will be finding another willing candidate, no matter what her “signature move” is. She just can’t be a whole lot of other partners. They are selfish and bored, and looking for the eternal ever changing dream sex slave porn girl. She doesn’t exist in the real world, but they never stop looking.

Einstein
Einstein
8 years ago
Reply to  Portia

I just find it amusing and pathetic that her goal in life is to be the best at giving blow jobs. Isn’t that the actual definition of skank?

just another chump
just another chump
8 years ago
Reply to  Portia

Must be a pretty lonely existence for a guy to just want a woman bobbin’ off his bits. Could be anybody down there even a yearling calf the act is so impersonal. I mean what kind of intimacy do you get where one person does a physically non-reciprocal act where the recipient doles out favours and money instead of genuine acts of affection. Sounds like a transaction in the oldest business on earth.

Enjoy giving those bj’s OW. Cause you are so replaceable. And so very classy. And really trying to get somebody upset about something that is not even reciprocated. I might have been more upset if x was wholeheartedly and regularly providing entertainment for her.

My apologies to guy chumps. I imagine there’s some flamingly idiotic crap that has been tossed your way about your bedroom habits from either your x or their OM.

Classy doesn’t crow about sex act skills. Classy doesn’t broadcast boudoir activities. Classy doesn’t openly compete for another’s partner in such a verbally crude manner.

I’m sorry! I forget that we are talking about liars and cheats.

mark
mark
8 years ago

so im stuck with the non classy gal. the one who humped on a chump for 1 day 3 times and had to write a letter how good the slurping of the kibble was. who the hell does that.

LadyStrange
LadyStrange
8 years ago
Reply to  Tracy

Good God! Come on Tracy, you’re NOT jealous of that? Ishhhh

Chumpedupchik
Chumpedupchik
8 years ago
Reply to  LadyStrange

Tracy! Ew. Just. VILE.

walkingthruhell
walkingthruhell
8 years ago
Reply to  LadyStrange

OMG I used the Bill Clinton analogy on DDay when confronting my cheater about his affair with ho-worker who reports to him. (BTW still no confession and only lies, lies, lies). He looked at me incredulously and asked, “Why would I jeopardize my job?!” “For the same reason Bill Clinton risked his presidency” was all I could think of to say at the time.

Maggie May
Maggie May
8 years ago
Reply to  LadyStrange

Why did Mark Sanford use tax payer money to screw a woman in Argentina when he could have kept the money in SC by screwing a local whore? Oh wait, I remember now, he’s a politician and is entitled.

TimeHeals
TimeHeals
8 years ago

Yeah, back in the day… I got things like “You keep leaving towels on the bathroom floor” and “we’re just not compatible”, and a bunch of other things that, frankly, were nuts.

Ask 50 times, you could probably get 50 different answers depending on mood and external factors like the temperature and humidity.

Closure doesn’t come from the person who did this to you. It comes from you creating a new life in which they are largely if not completely irrelevant, and it’s a lot easier for you to navigate forward if you stop looking in the rear-view-mirror as you move forward.

Tempest
Tempest
8 years ago
Reply to  TimeHeals

or whether they had eaten bran that day or not.

Over and Out
Over and Out
8 years ago
Reply to  Tempest

Yep, my ex was a walking, talking hemorrhoid with a bad case of constipation… Definitely needed more bran in his diet… I made sure he got his precious tube of Preparation H along with his other personal items. It was the least I could do since he claimed he was the one taking it in the rear and getting screwed over during our divorce. 😉

LadyStrange
LadyStrange
8 years ago
Reply to  Over and Out

Lol! My hero!

Over and Out
Over and Out
8 years ago
Reply to  LadyStrange

He was constipated in more ways than one!!!

LadyStrange
LadyStrange
8 years ago
Reply to  Over and Out

TeeHee. I bet!

TimeHeals
TimeHeals
8 years ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

So long as humidity doesn’t adversely affect things inside the skull in a big and crazy way, I think you’re going to be OK.

Karan
Karan
8 years ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

LOL!!!! Good one!

lostntx
lostntx
8 years ago
Reply to  TimeHeals

Your last paragraph is spot on and I need this. I need to keep for focus on what’s in front of me not what’s behind me and in the past.

LiningUpDucks
LiningUpDucks
8 years ago
Reply to  TimeHeals

“temperature and humidity” Exactly!

Carry On My Wayward Nerd Girl
Carry On My Wayward Nerd Girl
8 years ago

Does anyone know date of the false apology post? I want to recognize it if/when it comes.

Tempest
Tempest
8 years ago

I don’t know the date of the post, but a false apology is anything that takes less than full responsibility for the cheating–throwing out your faults as justification, false equivalencies, “poor me” missives about how much it hurts them as much as us. All bullshit.

Lucky
Lucky
8 years ago

For most of them it’s sheer entitlement.
Mine proved to me that his dick and his needs were more important than me, our children, and his career.

Once I realized that he did everything he ever did because he chose to, there was no more trying to untangle the skein.

I don’t care what excuses he might want to throw at me ( his tie was too tight and he had to think with his other head ? ).
He sucks.

Einstein
Einstein
8 years ago
Reply to  Lucky

“Once I realized that he did everything he ever did because he chose to”

And there it is…

Chummydoo
Chummydoo
8 years ago
Reply to  Einstein

True fucking dat!

Divorce Minister
Divorce Minister
8 years ago

Why? Lack of character. It may come in a variety of deficient flavors but that is what caused the cheating. They either lacked the intestinal fortitude to do the right thing in keeping their vows or choosing divorce…or they lacked the will revealing a truly depraved heart. Either way, it is character that is causing the mess…not the chump. Ever.

kar marie
kar marie
8 years ago

BINGO!!!!

Survivor
Survivor
8 years ago
Reply to  kar marie

Exactly. The answer is “Because I wanted to. Because I could.”

Tempest
Tempest
8 years ago

Bingo. What the chump wants is some *situational* explanation for the cheater’s behavior: “He/she was stressed at work.” “I didn’t cook his/her favorite meal for 2 weeks and he/she was resentful.” “I bought her red roses for mother’s day even though I know she prefers yellow.” “He was distraught over the dent in his new sports car and seeking solace from howorker.” If it’s situational (and the chump is inclined to wreckonciliation), then we can FIX it!! We can make sure to ease his/her stresses! Cook that favorite meal! Buy yellow roses! Encourage safer driving and a lower deductible!

But the truth is that the reason for cheating is *dispositional.* That is WHO they are; it is an inherent predilection toward entitlement, blameshifting, and poor impulse control. There is nothing a chump can do to stop that. As soon as we accept the dispositional attribution for cheating, that is when we can leave, move on, and stop trying to untangle the skein. It’s the beginning of healing.

newchumpatl
newchumpatl
8 years ago
Reply to  Tempest

Exactly!

unicornomore
unicornomore
8 years ago
Reply to  Tempest

DeadH gave me a lame list of my faults that were supposed to explain away his cheating. I answered with a long list of horrific deeds he was known to do frequently (although none of it ever made me cheat) and his response was “Do you know how tired I am when I get home? Skein of fuckedupness indeed.

Gail
Gail
8 years ago
Reply to  unicornomore

Mine told me I didn’t fu-k him like I did when we were teenagers (married 36 years)! Then told me I was the worst mother, cook, housekeeper, he said I didn’t remove the plastic off our new homes doors?????etc.He told my son I was mentally unstable! He told me I was delusional to think he wrote me a good-bye Jane letter because there was no one waiting in the wings for him .. He just wanted freedom, all our assets, and home with NO LAYWERS!!! When his bowel twisted (God is there) I read his texted to his Verizon work whore ( when this is all over I will be with you to tell you how beautiful you are)! Yeah her other 2 husband thought so to Genius! Long story short we are divorced! He made out but life is great without him..I never felt so alive!

unicornomore
unicornomore
8 years ago
Reply to  Gail

During our marriage, he told me very specifically to not touch certain clusters of his clothes, he wanted them cleaned and tended in a certain way and I was not to disturb them. He then went into the Marriage Counselor appt where he voiced his “Im divorcing her because she sucks” thing and he gave to example that I had not taken to the cleaners the very clothes he told me not to dare touch.

Also laundry related…he once dropkicked a laundry basket across the house because I dared have it out where it could be seen… in the laundry room…on laundry day.

During his monster mode his clean house tyranny got worse and worse…I kept the house cleaner and cleaner..it was freaking perfect. Just before BD, at Christmas, the whole house was perfect…I had done EVERYTHING (and started a new job a few weeks before) and he went to my office and decided my desk was messy (we didnt share a desk, they were on different floors) so he threw everything from my desk onto a pile on the floor. He was ass-basterd mean and that is how I remember him…assbastard mean.

Bluebird89
Bluebird89
8 years ago
Reply to  unicornomore

On the topic of clothes, my dear ex-husband would secretly throw away clothes of mine he didn’t like. I guess he thought he should have veto rights over all my garments. We were backpacking in Europe and he kicked a pair of pants under the bed, one of the only pairs of pants I had! I didn’t find out until I started musing over what happened to them and he disclosed what he did. When I responded, surprised and upset, he laughed. Years later, he complained for months that he needed new jeans. Insisted we couldn’t afford it. In spite of this, I encouraged him to go shopping. Really, we could afford it, he was just a drama queen. It wasn’t until after he completely lost his marbles and I left that he proceeded to spend $1200 in three days on a new wardrobe. WTF?

Survivor
Survivor
8 years ago
Reply to  Bluebird89

Oh, the clothes thing. Mine would steal my clothes and give them to his little gf. Or just lend them, so what was clean suddenly had sweat and food stains. And I had tee shirts disappear without a trace that he swore he’d not seen, but that I found in his closet with ring around the collar when I was packing up to leave. And he suddenly began giving me slutwear for my birthday instead of the customary set of coasters. Not being a leopard or snakeskin print person, I left those lovely gestures behind.

Survivor
Survivor
8 years ago
Reply to  unicornomore

“Get home from where?”

unicornomore
unicornomore
8 years ago
Reply to  Survivor

That is an interesting question ! Apparently his “end of the day fatigue” justified familial abandonment and betrayal and my fatigue shouldnt affect my capacity to be a wonderful productive and compliant spouse and mother (mind you that my job included 12 hour night shifts in an ICU so I wasn’t just “tired” I was stuporous and to the limits of human endurance but I never used it as an excuse). Did I ever sign up for this?

Survivor
Survivor
8 years ago
Reply to  unicornomore

I was thinking your ex might have been enjoying telling you to step up and take up the slack when he was “tired” from running around on you. No entitlement there.

LiningUpDucks
LiningUpDucks
8 years ago

Closure only happens when
A) You’re dealing with a rational human
B) There is anything left of the relationship to have closure with

In most cases, neither one of those things apply.

AllOutofKibble
AllOutofKibble
8 years ago
Reply to  LiningUpDucks

Ding!

Carol
Carol
8 years ago

My ex told me he cheated because he felt lonely because I sat in the lazy boy chair when we watched TV, instead of sitting on the couch with him. It bears mention that he bought me the chair for a Christmas present because sitting on our couch hurt my back. And it wasn’t like we watched a lot of TV. It was perhaps an hour or two a week. We didn’t even have cable TV. You can’t make this shit up.

TiredChump
TiredChump
8 years ago
Reply to  Carol

LaZBoy excuse for cheating is literally the funniest thing I have heard – ever!

I am sure it wasn;t funny at the time – but I’m glad the shear absurdity of this remark makes you chuckle now.

Chump Princess
Chump Princess
8 years ago
Reply to  Carol

I was a horrible wife, we were incompatible and he had to cheat this last time because I didn’t sleep with my head on his chest like “we were girlfriend and boyfriend.”

Lizzy
Lizzy
8 years ago
Reply to  Carol

But Carol if you wouldn’t have sat in the lazy boy that cheater bought you for Christmas that ALSO would have been reason to cheat! Poor baby would have been offended that you weren’t using the gift he gave you…

Lina
Lina
8 years ago
Reply to  Lizzy

Yep.

The lazy boy was part of my downfall too. If I took a five minute break and he “caught” me I got accused of doing nothing but sitting in “that chair” all day.

Blown Away
Blown Away
8 years ago

Just found out yesterday my XH(SA) is “with” a 40 yo….he is going to be 70 shortly. I suspect she is now living or certainly enjoying the beautiful retirement home we built and I never moved into. ( He got that in the settlement.). I took another hit with this info, but no crying. There are many moments (18 mo out DD and 1 year divorced…married 46 years) I want to talk to him and hear what he has to say….I went absolute NC, as did he. As is often said on here, it was a complete “Mind F***” for me. This the perfect discussion for me today, as I would like nothing better than to get some sense of “closure”.

KB22
KB22
8 years ago
Reply to  Blown Away

Old fools………Do they really believe someone 30 years younger has any interest other than monetary? So pathetic, but I hope she wipes him out.

Blown Away
Blown Away
8 years ago
Reply to  KB22

KB22…yes, what fools they both are! She is younger than our children! I can’t imagine how long this will last. Listen to this….he is a non-compliant diabetic and the doc has ORDERED HIM him to take his blood sugar levels on a daily basis. He has ED, has lost 6 teeth since DD, he’s overweight,and now has Plantar Faciitis and has difficulty walking. He is a recovering alcoholic, a porn addict, a gambler, addicted to ALL SPORTS ON TV ( can sit in that leather chair for HOURS)! He sees a CSAT for therapy after he blew his world to smithereens and attends SA meetings. ( I would love to share more of the story here, but this forum is just too public…just let me say this…if I called Dateline someone would be calling me back!) He also attends AA meetings….he is a busy guy. He told a friend that when he told “her”…his 40 yo his age she said “well, that’s fine. You sure don’t act it!” Our daughter IS FURIOUS AND said “Golddigger!” I just cannot believe my last chapter is THIS. As is said often on here, you can’t make this shit up.

TiredChump
TiredChump
8 years ago
Reply to  Blown Away

So sorry Blown Away – my 55 year old husband is in an affair with a 28 year old who has designs on his money and essentially our life. She would like the comfortable life and house and children that I/ we have. It is devastating to believe that he is willing to swap out us for her. My heart is broken as I really didn’t even know people could do this until it happened to me.

Over and Out
Over and Out
8 years ago
Reply to  Blown Away

Blown Away, your story reminded me of when I was 17 yrs old (30+ years ago), and my best friend was 18. Her dad, who was in his mid to late 40s, had an affair with a young woman who was only a couple of years older than us… He was an alcoholic and met OW at a bar. She was nothing more than a gold-digging whore and she got pregnant as a result of the affair. My friend’s mother immediately filed for divorce (and took him to the cleaners – got the house and most of his stocks from his employer. He did not fight her. He knew he screwed up big time.) My friend’s dad ended up marrying OWhore soon after.

The whole time she was pregnant she continued to be a partier. I would go with my friend to visit her dad because she couldn’t stand the thought of being around OWhore alone. I can remember how badly OW wanted my friend and I to accept her as a friend… We were DISGUSTED by her, she was nasty, and were NOT nice to her at all. We openly shamed her for what she did and for her alcohol consumption while pregnant!! She would get mad at us and then cry to my friend’s dad when he got home from work about how mean we were! What did she expect?!?!

Not long after she had the baby (who turned out healthy) she got involved in hard drugs, was arrested and sent away to prison. My friend’s dad was left to care for the baby alone for quite some time. When OW was released, he took her back and she got pregnant again within a year or two! (What a stupid, stupid man.) She didn’t learn her lesson in prison either, went right back to using/dealing drugs, and got arrested yet again. This time she had the 2nd baby while she was incarcerated.

By then my friend’s dad was pushing 50. He ended up losing his job with a very good company he had worked for and was just shy of reaching his 30 years and qualifying for retirement benefits. He eventually divorced OWhore, quit drinking, had to find a new job and start all over again with 2 young children in tow. He lost everything he had worked for all those years — a nice family, a nice home, a good job — all for a young slutty piece of ass… He never remarried after that and lives alone. He is in 70s now.

donna
donna
8 years ago
Reply to  Blown Away

Blown Away

At times I cry because of what he did to end our life together. Your description of your X reminds me just how much he repulses me. We should be celebrating the fact that we can write our own last chapter. Hope you got rid of the leather chair. What is there to miss about that disgusting package?? Nothing

Blown Away
Blown Away
8 years ago
Reply to  donna

Donna…I have so listened to your posts. He got that chair in the settlement, I know he is still sitting in it (I took him to the wonderful furniture store and said you need to sit in and pick out your chair). His 40 yo schmoopie is sitting next to him on my sofa. I want to I vomit thinking about it all

donna
donna
8 years ago
Reply to  Blown Away

X wanted nothing in the house. His new ” chair is a sex in the city high back at the casino with a pig in his lap with his hand between her legs. He likes it when she sits on his lap. The security at the casino and bartenders make jokes about them. She has quite a history there. The security are all retired police officers. She’s an addict. They know her well. She didn’t want my furniture she was aiming for my pension. She got pencil dick and has to fake orgasms. You did good blown away and so did I. Smile. She got the package deal. Cheater with a chair, lol.

Carol
Carol
8 years ago
Reply to  Blown Away

Blown Away, I think the OW did you a favor.

Blown Away
Blown Away
8 years ago
Reply to  Carol

Oh thank you all.. I still so struggle with wanting to contact him. IT WAS MY WHOLE LIFE. Keep telling me he is NOT WORTH IT.

Maree
Maree
8 years ago
Reply to  Blown Away

Blown Away, every chump on this blog has dodged a bullet but you have dodged a cannon ball. My ex is 63, his new squeeze is 23 and our daughter is 36 and our son is 33 and they accept their sperm donor’s new love and have pushed me out. Knowing what we all know now, we got away to safety !!! Thank god for that.

Blown Away
Blown Away
8 years ago
Reply to  Maree

Oh Anita and Maree…my daughter is totally on it… The money. I’m certain the only thing he has revealed to that sweet young thing is his age. I have to add that he is a world class charmer, as long as you don’t know the back story. He sparkles so intensely, one could truly be blinded. When I read what I all wrote, I am crying again, for the umpteenth time. What a Fool and Chump I was. I did dodge a cannon ball…even though I am nearly 70. Divine intervention…I am comforted with that.

Anita
Anita
8 years ago
Reply to  Blown Away

Blown away, I can understand staying married to a man who has problems, but to sign up with one?? Really? And a lying cheater to boot.. The whores truly are delusional. Why would you start up with these people knowing what pieces of shit they are.? I wouldn’t have touched the cheater with a ten foot pole if I’d known the truth about him.

Maree
Maree
8 years ago
Reply to  KB22

KB22, my 63 year old ex has a 23 year old and he is absolutely convinced that she is with him for himself not the money he is providing. She comes from SE Asia, has 2 little boys and he is as happy as a pig in mud.

IHaveHate
IHaveHate
8 years ago
Reply to  Maree

What a joke of a ‘man’ he is, Maree……..

Karan
Karan
8 years ago
Reply to  Blown Away

Yes, Blown Away, Marci is so right!!! Mine was a 37 year marriage…..blind sided by my EX’s “confusion”….. But funny how his “confusion” lead him to move in with his much younger co-worker 6 months later……and they think they are kidding everyone. Talk about euphoric fog!!!!

Marci
Marci
8 years ago
Reply to  Blown Away

Blown Away,
I think when guys past retirement age go out and cheat, they are showing their fear of mortality. A sort of “is this all there is?” Sadly, they usually get dumped by the babe when the equipment stops working, and they realise too late that the trust lost in their long term marriage was the greatest asset they ever had. Have no doubt, he may never be able to explain it, but you can be sure he will regret it.

Sort of like folks with anorexia, they don’t see their true image in the mirror…they still want to feel young and the attention of a younger person is gold to a narcissist since they see their own reflection in the eyes of others. He will be living in a euphoric fog for now, until he realises it’s actually a black mist.

violet
violet
8 years ago
Reply to  Marci

You are exactly right. My X simply could not accept the fact of his aging. Oddly, so long as he was “attractive”, he was faithful, but as his looks faded, he became desperate to convince himself he was still in the game. It was strange. Granted, he always had a big ego, but it was more of a minor annoyance. Getting old infected his view of everything, including our marriage.

Einstein
Einstein
8 years ago
Reply to  Marci

They get dumped when the money runs out, but the cheaters are usually well aware of this. His happiness will be contingent on how many blow jobs she’s willing to give for the dollars she receives. Whores don’t tend to be very fair minded. I can see the karma bus from here.

Marci
Marci
8 years ago

The only response I got was “it’s complicated” (holding head in hands) and “people change”. I found out later that complicated is a cool synonym for “there is a third person in this”.

How did I get suckered in by this guy? He was literate and funny…he just had no job skills whatever and was chronically lazy. He was clever with the romance…good timing that kept me hooked, although I began to notice that I always ended up footing the bill somehow. He was so intent on scamming everyone that it never occurred to him to explain his actions, even to the cops.

He had checked out long ago. Too bad he was such a user that he continued to live off me for a year so he and schmoopie could save up enough and steal my possessions so they could set up a love nest. Four years later, they are still nomading around changing location every six months,and living on govt benefits.

Lost2015
Lost2015
8 years ago

“I love you but I’m not in love with you.”

“I don’t find you attractive anymore, but you do have empirically physically attractive traits.”

“We didn’t put the bid in on the house that I wanted (back in 2001).”

“You had our son tryout for travel basketball a few years ago and didn’t ask me first.”

“We didn’t get the kitchen sink that I wanted when we built our house (bear in mind that she picked out every single other component in the house, she just didn’t get her granite sink).”

“I can’t be myself around you.”

“He’s all I have left.”

She really said those things to me. I’ll never get closure and I know that. I’ll never get remorse, just regret (that I found out about the A). And I know the reasons set out above are the best I’ll get, because I know that there probably isn’t a real legitimate one that exists. She just did it, did it for a long time, enjoyed herself, felt entitled, and that’s really the gist of it.

It’s just hard to believe that I married somebody that shallow, that’s the part that I struggle with.

Marked711
Marked711
8 years ago
Reply to  Lost2015

Lost2015, the first words out of my XW’s mouth were the classic ILYBINILWY. I’m one of the lucky ones because she abandoned ship and went NC on me. 30 years together and “poof”, gone. It’s a different kind of mind f##k, but still hurts 8 mo out from divorce. But your statement “It’s just hard to believe that I married somebody that shallow, that’s the part that I struggle with” hit home. I can’t believe I married someone so pathetic. Final straw was when she went trolling on Facebook for old high school boy friends and found one going through a divorce. It’s just a pathetic cliché. She’s with him now and I can’t help but think what a loser she is. Keep strong and trust that she Sucks!

WhichWayDidSheGo
WhichWayDidSheGo
8 years ago
Reply to  Marked711

I only had 5 years in, but the mind fuck is still horrendous. The person I loved and trusted, seemingly for valid reasons, pulled a Houdini. I didn’t even get a goodbye from her 15 year-old son whom I had been a step-father to for those 5 years.

I was roadkill on the highway of her life. I’m still waiting for animal control to clean me up.

IHaveHate
IHaveHate
8 years ago

Love it! lol “I’m still waiting for animal control to clean me up”.

GladIt'sOver
GladIt'sOver
8 years ago
Reply to  Lost2015

Along with the usual bullshit they pretty much all spout (“I never should have married you” “We never had anything in common,) I was also told that I didn’t play enough board games. Yeah, there’s a truly unforgivable flaw in a wife of 20 years who cheater himself described as “a good wife, a good mother who took great care of him, our home and our son.”

WhichWayDidSheGo
WhichWayDidSheGo
8 years ago
Reply to  GladIt'sOver

I was told that she should have left me 3 years earlier when I was too snarky about our small town’s Christmas festival.

I would have saved a ton of money if she had, as that was before she started nursing school part-time and quit work entirely. D’oh!

Tempest
Tempest
8 years ago
Reply to  GladIt'sOver

GladIO–I have to admit, that is my very FAVORITE stupid-shit-they-say cheater excuse for infidelity. Hands down.

ChumpB
ChumpB
8 years ago
Reply to  Tempest

I definitely got “I never should have married you.” Even I wouldn’t say that.

ALLOutofKibble
ALLOutofKibble
8 years ago
Reply to  Lost2015

“It’s just hard to believe that I married somebody that shallow, that’s the part that I struggle with.”
I think that’s the part we all struggle with, Lost 2015. How did I get suckered so badly? How did I not see? What kind of special idiot was I? When I start to eel that way I remember, that’s just my chumpiness talking and I try to silence it. Sometimes I win and sometimes I don’t, but I’m trying.

TiredChump
TiredChump
8 years ago
Reply to  ALLOutofKibble

AOK – I totally get your post – Because after you “know” for sure, you remember all the signs you saw that you ignored. For heaven’s sake, I knew my husbands assistant (the AP – 28 to his 55) had a crush on him, but I didn’t even feel threatened. But….Never in a million years did I think my husband was disloyal, dishonest or irrational enough to have an affair. Only “bad” people would do that – not someone I’ve been with 33 years, married for 29.

So be nice to yourself – It’s your optimism and belief in humanity and decency that kept you in the “dark.” Hugs

Unencumbered
Unencumbered
8 years ago
Reply to  Lost2015

Lost2015, i so relate to your last sentence. It breaks my heart that I spent 20 years with someone who, deep down inside, was so shallow, self absorbed and downright cruel.

He painted a great ‘nice guy’ image for as long as possible, but then went and blew up his family and takes absolutely no responsibility for what happened. Now he calls the affair partner the devil, since they broke up shortly after I finally said i am done. He quickly moved on to a new soulmate however. I was just a piece of replaceable furniture in his life I guess.

I work every day to tell myself that the affair was a blessing – it gave me an out. Otherwise, i would have stayed forever since i believe in the sanctity of marriage. I would have kept telling myself he was a good person even though there was nothing good beneath the surface.

Kfl
Kfl
8 years ago
Reply to  Unencumbered

Thank you all. I have to keep reminding myself that no matter how mean and blaming he is of me being the cause of everything that has happened (and that my reaction to his affair is what broke the marriage and his love for me) and that his actions had nothing to do with it – that what happened IS a blessing and now I can try to live my life without walking on eggshells every day

ChumpB
ChumpB
8 years ago
Reply to  Kfl

Gosh, Kfl, love what you just said!

Bluebird89
Bluebird89
8 years ago
Reply to  Unencumbered

The positivity is inspiring and I appreciate everyone who is sharing their challenges here. The concept of a mirage is exactly my challenge too. My divorce was finalized last week and it’s stirred up all kinds of stuff for me. I thought I was poised to move forward and the official rubber stamping of this joke just dragged me back into a storm of sadness. His big declaration was “sometimes there’s just no good explanation.” He pretty much said nothing about why this happened and proceed to say how great I was and he didn’t realize. In the lead up to the divorce, he was a monster, now he’s sweet. I’m guessing he’s happy to have what he wants now. I struggle with the idea that I was working towards a life long marriage and he was only surfing until he got to the shore. On top of this, I felt forced into taking action because he wouldn’t talk about it and paid for the divorce. There’s no kids so it was pretty easy, but reconciliation in your mind is beyond the challenge I expected.

Chumptitude
Chumptitude
8 years ago
Reply to  Unencumbered

“I work every day to tell myself that the affair was a blessing – it gave me an out.”

Same here, the evidence I uncovered and his reactions to my confronting him were closure enough. I trust that he sucks.

Accepting that the harmonious marriage and family I had been working so hard at building was a mirage that only existed in my own head is a much harder part of this life lesson.

ChumpB
ChumpB
8 years ago
Reply to  Chumptitude

Yes, Chumptitude, so very true! You are awesome. Love your posts!

KibbleFree_MightyMe
KibbleFree_MightyMe
8 years ago
Reply to  Unencumbered

Wow, Unencumbered. You just wrote my comment, word-for-word. The x-douchebag I was tethered to also painted himself as the “good guy,” and always calm, cool, collected. Turns out he was just an average serial-cheating douche who always had something to hide from me, and also to pin on me that seemed so small and ridiculous, but it makes sense now. All the little things he found at fault in me, in his pea-sized brain, just gave him cause to go out and find happiness with any ho-worker or bitch who gave him the time of day.

You’re exactly right: the affairs are blessings for each of us. I didn’t say they didn’t hurt like hell or cause us immense psychological/spiritual/physical harm, because they did. But we’re free of those sham “marriages,” and we didn’t do one damn thing to “cause” it. I would have stayed as well, because I didn’t take vows, but made a covenant, and like you, I would have kept telling myself he was a good guy, even though I had been alone and unhappy in that “marriage” for about 7 years at DDay. Twenty-three years wasted. They all suck.

ChumpB
ChumpB
8 years ago

I tried desperately to convince myself he was actually a good person. I tried so hard. Now, when I think about how ‘hard I tried’ I just realize how spackly that is. I want to recover from it and understand my lack of insight in doing that. I was very fooled by those moments of kindness he would show (but always dr. jekyl and mr. hyde).

newchumpatl
newchumpatl
8 years ago
Reply to  Lost2015

Oh Lost.. I got so many of the same lines as well as equally crazy ones.

I was to blame for him not spending enough time with his parents before they died.

I was to blame for us never traveling and doing things. I was too cheap with money so he was denied fun.

I didn’t wear high enough heels.

I don’t dress sexy enough (this one is puzzling because I know I turn heads- people always compliment me)

I don’t get his favorite pizza enough.

I don’t make his favorite dinners enough (meatloaf specifically)

We don’t have enough sex (fair enough, but I work my ass off and he never did much to relieve that burden)

Life isn’t fun or exciting (it’s true, raising kids, working.. it’s not Las Vegas but I thought it was still good)

I am too negative.

I concentrate too much on the kids.

When you read that list, and your list.. what stands out is the extreme entitlement. Life is all about THEM.. what they want, what is good for them NOW. There is no credit for me working a job, doing all the cooking, damn near all the childcare, all the cleaning/household stuff, grocery shopping, carting kids all over.. no credit. I am apparently supposed to handle all that, be in a cheery mood, want to have no stop sex (and blow jobs) and concentrate on his needs. What about my needs? When I would challenge him on “what about my needs?” He would say “I spent 20 years on your needs”.. ???? I didn’t know there was an expiration date on it, #1.. and #2- I don’t recall sitting around eating bon bons for 20 years (see list above).

The further I get from it, the more I realize what bullshit it really is and how disordered he is right now. All we can do is step away.. save ourselves, our kids and let them skip off into the tulips (which I suspect won’t be as rosy as they think it will be). Hang in there.

GladIt'sOver
GladIt'sOver
8 years ago
Reply to  newchumpatl

One of the many reasons my ex gave for dumping me (although I’m the one who eventually filed for divorce, so of course he now claims that I was the one who walked away) was that back in the 90s I stymied his efforts at starting an acting career, and thus it is my fault that he did not fulfill his destiny of becoming famous.

I’m still puzzled over that one. Maybe he wanted to take an acting class or something, and I said no, we didn’t have the money, or we had a newborn at the time or something similar. At any rate, he’s had over five years to fulfill that destiny since marriage ended, and I can assure you all he is not going to be featured on the cover of People magazine any time soon.

unicornomore
unicornomore
8 years ago
Reply to  GladIt'sOver

I “ruined” my lateHs chance to become a professional mountain climber. I also REFUSED to birth the 7 children he wanted (our 3 were insufficient it seems but when it came tome to move closer to OW, he said we could just leave the oldest behind). How many professional mountain climbers do you know?

ChumpB
ChumpB
8 years ago
Reply to  unicornomore

Well, unicornnomore, funny you should ask! Mine wanted to be. In fact, we lived in Yosemite for 7 years before kids and it was his entire focus. He loved it then, loves it now. I enjoyed climbing too but it wasn’t all encompassing for me as it was for him. I got, “I thought you were a climber!” (this while busy raising our family, work, very little time, etc. true my interest waned but I also think some survival instinct kicked in as I didn’t want to die climbing and leave my kids). And, “You led me on, tricked me into having kids,” (so very not true). I got it all, all the blame, all the Mindfuck, and then he discarded me for the perfect climbing partner. They climb, bike, hike, ski. They also live in a shitty apartment, my 16 y/o wants nothing to do with him; she recently tore her ACL so all activities stopped for 6 months; he has no ambition (other than climbing), and that expression “water seeks its own level” is finally becoming a good comforting visual for me.

ChumpB
ChumpB
8 years ago
Reply to  ChumpB

AP tore her ACL.

newchumpatl
newchumpatl
8 years ago
Reply to  GladIt'sOver

Yeah getting blamed for him not being there when his parents were sick was a low blow. He claimed I didn’t want to spend the money on plane tickets. I don’t recall this.. I do recall rational conversations about how to spend money.. because we were always strapped, due to his spending habits, but I do not recall telling him “he could not visit his ailing parents”. We may have had talks about “when” to go.. after all, it was 800 miles away, we were both juggling work, a small child. And another one thing.. this was a man who pretty much did whatever he wanted.. bought whatever he wanted.. little ole me couldn’t have stopped him from buying a plane ticket if he had really wanted to.

And he did have a Car…

Somehow though, it’s all my fault.. all his regrets go back to me.

Nicole S
Nicole S
8 years ago
Reply to  newchumpatl

Um newchumpatl I am pretty sure we were married to the exact same man. Every time you mention something about your ex on here it matches mine exactly. The lame blame is exceptionally similar. It’s like they talked on the phone every night and shared stupid ideas. So. Weird.

Sad in Seattle
Sad in Seattle
8 years ago
Reply to  newchumpatl

I heard the same crap:

You’re too negative.

You’re no fun.

My friends don’t like you.

I never got to go to foam parties in Cancun.

I was young when I cheated. (right… 38 qualifies as young).

I can never do anything right, according to you.

KarenE
KarenE
8 years ago

I finally got my closure, after listening to the umpteenth time to how cheating was ‘just something that happened in relationships’ and grabbing me by the throat and threatening to hit me with a snow shovel (don’t laugh, it’s Canada!) were ‘not a big deal’ because he didn’t physically hurt me.

I just realized one day that he and I do not show the same values.

Just as he was projecting onto me (you don’t love me right! you think you’re always right!), I had been projecting onto him (when you have kids, you try to protect their family; when you commit to someone, you try to help make them happy, and you don’t stab them in the back).

I realized I didn’t want to be with someone to whom I would have to EXPLAIN why cheating was a bad thing, why lying is a problem, and why scaring the shit out of your kids and then spending next-to-no time with them is not OK.

So, although it arrived in the context of trying to get closure from him, I realized this was an internal thing entirely. The closure was mine. It was just my chumpy brain and heart the stopped me from getting it earlier.

Ninja chump
Ninja chump
8 years ago
Reply to  KarenE

KarenE – YES!!! THIS!!
It has taken me four years (I know, ridiculous!) to get to the point where I get it. I finally understood the answer to the question “why did he do that?” Our values didn’t align.

I’m a beautifully flawed perfectly imperfect human who cares about other human beings. He’s not.
I was projecting my moral values and humanity onto him assuming he also had the same values and responses. Big mistake. HUGE mistake.

After leaving a relationship with a narc cheater closure is an inside job.

Bluebird89
Bluebird89
8 years ago
Reply to  Ninja chump

Ninja chump & KarenE, Such a help! Great way of putting it: misaligned values. That’s the heart of it, right? Someone who’s indulgences in opportunity over integrity. At an interpersonal level, we were highly compatible and great friends. It blows my mind these people are so completely self absorbed that they’d rather write off someone who makes a great co-pilot than find a compromise to move together in life with. Totally their loss, but I still find it crazy.

WhichWayDidSheGo
WhichWayDidSheGo
8 years ago
Reply to  Bluebird89

My god this comment rocks. My ex and I were also highly compatible. We enjoyed each others company (or at least seemed to), agreed on just about every major aspect of life, and I think we each had strengths that meshed well with the weaknesses of the other. That’s one of the things that threw me for a loop – whenever I’d gleefully announce that we made a great team, she agreed with me. Of course during the discard she claims to have been lying about it to not upset me. See, that way it’s my fault that she was leaving me. It’s true that I may have reacted poorly had she been honest with me, as I was finally at long last coming to terms with my dysfunctional upbringing, actually making progress it therapy, etc. Apparently I was considered incapable of dealing with the truth but perfectly capable of surviving abandonment. Harumph.

We were 99% perfect together. That 1% that led her to run off caught me just a bit off guard. She wasn’t a monster. Sex was still regular. Hell, I had bought her an electric car just 4 months earlier.

I hate this. It’s been a year and I’m still blaming myself for losing someone so important to me. A large part of that is because I loved having one special person to share my life with and then having minor characters on the side. I’ve never in my life been a social butterfly or had a large group of friends. I’m lost and confused trying to figure out how to make life meaningful as a single person. It’s a daily struggle and it hurts.

TheClip
TheClip
8 years ago

I think the need or want for closure is innate. When disaster( natural/ accident/ shooting/ murder) strikes we have experts to exam all the facts, put together a report and give a synopsis of the event. There is always seeminly a rational explanation. Not that it takes away any of the pain or stages of grief but we can logically process the disaster and ‘ prepare ‘ ourselves for any like situation. You now have knowledge to arm or brace yourself in the future for anything similiar and you can do your part to avoid or prevent you being or feeling the blame of the disaster.
The problem with Cheaters is they love the ambiguity and most keep that power by never giving you the real reason that they cheated( because they are entitled, selfish sacks of shit) Nope, not the cheater… He is not the cause of the disaster nor is he responsible for the effect. There is always a ‘ but’ and that ‘ but’ is directly linked to you. He wouldnt have cheated… But______.
Lets reframe closure…. There is a door ajar…ya got two,options…. Close the door or open it. Opening the door invites all the bullshit back into yr life and you NEVER resolve anything….closing the door keeps the bullshit outa yr life. You have a choice. Thats your closure.
I slammed the mother fucker shut…and put a sign that says ‘ no soliciting’

Karan
Karan
8 years ago
Reply to  TheClip

GREAT analogy !!!!! Loved the closed door!!!

Einstein
Einstein
8 years ago
Reply to  Karan

I like the concept of people needing to logically process the disaster. Being extremely pragmatic, that is always a problem with me. They call them lingering questions because the question is always out there, lingering.

It’s hard sometimes to accept that you’ll have to find another way to work it out.

Arlo
Arlo
8 years ago
Reply to  TheClip

Thank you TheClip! THAT explains closure in a way I can really work with. Close that fucking door!

TheClip
TheClip
8 years ago
Reply to  Arlo

Arlo… I have an image of my ex as the smarmy door to door salesman…. He got his pitch…he has done his rounds on the local neighborhood women… He wants to make me believe I cant live without his shit. His shit is gonna change my life and I will be sorry that i didnt buy his shit when he was putting it out there … Afterall Mrs Cooper down the block loves his shit. Despite the ‘ no soliciting sign ‘ on the door he insists on ringing the bell… Cause that fucking sign aint for him. When I dont answer the door he leaves a card… Just to let me know he was there. And he keeps coming back everyday… His shit is that good. Eventually he tires of the closed door and make up a story to himself that I am deaf or disbaled… She cant come to the door. He tells himself and his favorite customer ‘ I tried, there is something wrong with her… She cant see I got this great shit’

We aint buying crazy no more…. Who fucking cares what he tells the customer or himself. Keep the door shut.

Current Chump
Current Chump
8 years ago
Reply to  TheClip

Love the salesman analogy Clip-just remember to smile as you tell the cheater ‘I’m not buying what you’re selling!’

Tempest
Tempest
8 years ago
Reply to  Arlo

Close it, duct tape it, board it up, and then put drywall on the top.

Survivor
Survivor
8 years ago
Reply to  Tempest

With a biohazard sign hung over it.

Chumptitude
Chumptitude
8 years ago
Reply to  Survivor

LMAO Tempest and Survivor, thank you!

GiveTimeime
GiveTimeime
8 years ago
Reply to  Chumptitude

Like that Walking Dead episode where the door was chained shut and written on the door was “Don’t Open – Dead Inside” Yup.

Kate50
Kate50
8 years ago
Reply to  GiveTimeime

Clip I meant lolol

Kate50
Kate50
8 years ago
Reply to  GiveTimeime

Just awesome TheClup! “Close that mother fucker door!!!!!” I just love that, thank you. 🙂

Rumblekitty
Rumblekitty
8 years ago

Not once, have I felt the urge to ask why my X dropped that anvil on my head. When this was still fresh, I used to play it out in my head of how I figured it would go if I did. Every time I came to the conclusion that I’d rather have a pap smear and a root canal on the same day, than have to sit and listen to all the reasons why this was either my fault, or beyond his control.

Closure is not giving a fuck either way. It takes awhile to get there, but once you do, it just doesn’t matter why they did it. It sure as hell wasn’t something I did. I know I’m awesome.

Throttling me the way he did turned out to be the best thing that ever happened to me. I have a new life, new friends, new man . . . and I’m not married to someone I can’t trust anymore. That’s my closure.

Einstein
Einstein
8 years ago
Reply to  Rumblekitty

Amen, Kitty!

Tempest
Tempest
8 years ago
Reply to  Rumblekitty

Exactly, Rumblekitty. Who the F cares “why” they say they cheated?

However, I’ll bet the reasons people were given by their cheaters would be side-splittingly funny and/or pathetic.

I’ll start: “The cupboards and refrigerator were too full, and I felt stressed.”

ChumpDad
ChumpDad
8 years ago
Reply to  Tempest

“He and I never had intercourse, only oral. I’m leaving you because sex with you is just sex but sex with OM is oh so much more.”

Survivor
Survivor
8 years ago
Reply to  ChumpDad

So much more tawdry?

Survivor
Survivor
8 years ago
Reply to  Tempest

“You aren’t young enough, thin enough or pretty enough for me anymore.”

FeralBlue
FeralBlue
8 years ago
Reply to  Rumblekitty

Yep. Closure isn’t always getting an answer out of them. It’s finding it in yourself. When it finally snaps into place in your mind and heart that what they did really wasn’t about you. They self destruct their entire lives and can’t/won’t stop. There was NOTHING you could have done/said to stop them. Nor should you have to.

AllOutofKibble
AllOutofKibble
8 years ago
Reply to  Rumblekitty

Exactly Rumblekitty. I never asked either. I knew I wasn’t going to get a real answer, so why bother?
If closure is not giving a fuck either way, then count me in and closed.
To me closure will be when my youngest turns 18 and I can go true No Contact! Can’t wait!
Or if he dies, but I know I can’t count on the Karma bus to use my timeline.
And, you are awesome, Rumblekitty!

Rumblekitty
Rumblekitty
8 years ago
Reply to  AllOutofKibble

After awhile, you won’t even give a shit about the Karma bus. That’s the best kind of closure. 🙂

Lulu
Lulu
8 years ago

This is very relevant because just the other day I was thinking about how nearly half the posts on the Surviving Infidelity Reconciliation forum are about cheaters struggle to discover their “why” and chumps not being satisfied with the “Whys” they’ve been given (most of which are “I don’t know”, which is cheater-speak for “I don’t want to tell you).

These chumps are torturing themselves because in order to reconcile, they need to find a problem they can fix and a reason “Why” that they can live with.

Unfortunately, regardless of the person or the circumstances, the “Why” is always this: “They wanted to cheat, felt entitled to cheat and thought they would get away it.”

In my opinion, there’s no way to accept that reality and stay married… not unless you give up your last shred of dignity and willingly accept that you are settling for a marriage that will never be trusting or peaceful.

And so the chumps chasing the Unicorn of Reconciliation will continue to delude themselves into thinking there is some other, more profound reason “Why” and if they can only find it, the cheater will fix themselves, the chump will have closure, and all past wrongs will be righted.

Survivor
Survivor
8 years ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

Thanks so much CL. I had to navigate that cesspool of confusion without much in the way of a support network, working from the premise of What Did I Do Wrong? Mind you, even my lawyer said things like “Well, what did you expect? You married the man!” Chumps have already been smacked pretty hard in the gut. They don’t need to be kicked any more.

Buddy
Buddy
8 years ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

And here In This Place
– We do not sweep under the rug
– We don’t buy the narrative that we weren’t meeting his/her needs, thus pushing them to cheat
– We do think infidelity is a form of abuse far beyond day to day problems in the marriage
– We don’t believe it is our responsibility to perform the Pick Me dance since they abused us and brought trauma into our lives – NOT the other way around
– We do think that infidelity points to problems with character
– We do believe that a cheater needs to demonstrate better character through consistent action, and that forgiveness is earned (see item 1: we do not sweep under the rug)
– We don’t believe that sooner or later, everyone cheats
– We don’t believe that speaking the truth about infidelity means we blame others for our problems

Most of us here are truth seekers, not bitter vindictive victims.

Most of us here want to do the right thing and live with integrity.

We know first hand the REALITY of the negative consequences of infidelity, so we know infidelity is NOT an innocent, victim-less lapse of judgement, but a serious form of abuse that destroys lives. That is truth – and that is not bitterness. That is authentic, vulnerable, intimate examination of actual circumstances, actual relationships, and actual feelings.

(disclaimer: substitute I for We above, as I don’t care to speak for others)

donna
donna
8 years ago
Reply to  Buddy

Buddy

Demonstrating better character through consistent actions is where I disagree. As I’ve stated before I’m not in favor of Reconcilliation.

There are no accidents. They are looking. It’s who they are, it’s what they do. They may ACT better. Become better liars, and give the mask a nudge. When you look at the stages of narcissistic relationships, Reconcilliation puts you back to the infatuation with lots of sex and adoration. Then things become routine and the subtle signs emerge. The criticism, the displeasure, and complaints start. The cheating NEVER ended.

Cheaters cheat.

Buddy
Buddy
8 years ago
Reply to  donna

I don’t disagree with you Donna. In part I was making the point that the opposite is not true: that we should not simply forgive and trust as part of the healing (and rebuilding, if you choose to go that route) process.

Any many of us have children with the cheaters, so even with divorce and NC, there is still co-parenting, and, gasp, relating, to consider.

KarenE
KarenE
8 years ago
Reply to  Buddy

Buddy, you made me cry! What a great summing up of why this place is so great!

Arlo
Arlo
8 years ago
Reply to  Buddy

You speak for me, Buddy

Deloris
Deloris
8 years ago
Reply to  Arlo

You speak for me too Buddy and you speak truth.

Lulu
Lulu
8 years ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

As you said before, CL, if cheaters had the capacity for remorse necessary to save their marriages they wouldn’t have cheated.

Personally, I think even the Unicorns are unhappy. They will NEVER be on equal footing with their chumps. Whatever legitimate gripes they had they had with their spouse can’t be addressed while the chump is struggling to recover, and that full recovery may never happen.

Cheating is basically the emotional equivalent of running over your spouse with a car. You might’ve been drunk when it happened, you might never do it again, and you might 200℅ committed to financially supporting your crippled spouse and pushing them around in a wheelchair for the rest of your lives, but your spouse and your marriage are irrevocably changed.

Heather
Heather
8 years ago
Reply to  Lulu

I like the analogy.

Heather
Heather
8 years ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

That’s me! That legit explanation is almost exactly what my cheater said in one of his moments of honesty.

I am still a few months fresh from d-day, and while I love your site & it helps keep me from totally dissociating from reality, my cheater is not a psychopath or totally nefarious. He’s narcissistic, but … not as far along the spectrum as some folks I read about. And his apology was that exactly. Right away he admitted that he did it because it seemed interesting and fun, and he thought I would never find out. (And again, and again, and again.) He’s never once attributed it to anything I am, anything I do/did.

So just like you say in your comment, it doesn’t necessarily mean reconciliation for us. (Part of me wants to, part of me is lighting matches to set him on fire in his sleep.) But he owns it.

And it’s not enough for closure. So please keep writing. 🙂

TiredChump
TiredChump
8 years ago
Reply to  Heather

Mine also blamed only himself for cheating with 28 year old assistant for over 2 years…and feels awful and wants to reconcile. However, when I think of those thousands of lies, and the fact he stole time from me and kids, It i hard to get over.
Further, eight months past DDay he can’t seem to go 100% no contact.
Sucks to be me,

Tempest
Tempest
8 years ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

Thank the heavens you did! Probably saved me from needing a defense attorney.

Kate50
Kate50
8 years ago
Reply to  Tempest

Lol Tempest, you and a lot of us. I’d rather be on CL then Dateline!

Rumblekitty
Rumblekitty
8 years ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

Well, I’m glad you did. It saved me thousands in therapy. 🙂

Chumptitude
Chumptitude
8 years ago
Reply to  Rumblekitty

Yes, thank you CL!

Arlo
Arlo
8 years ago
Reply to  Rumblekitty

Yup

newchumpatl
newchumpatl
8 years ago
Reply to  Lulu

I went to a BAN group for a while. The people were fantastic, but I finally had to stop because I just couldn’t take all the excuses anymore. These poor people would show up at those meetings making excuse after excuse for their cheater and it was like a trainwreck to me. Many of the cheaters had MULTIPLE offenses. I kept wanting to scream.. GET OUT he/she is a CAKE EATER.. but it wouldn’t have been received.

I pray for those folks. God love um.

Einstein
Einstein
8 years ago
Reply to  newchumpatl

It absolutely wouldn’t be well received, BUT it plants the seed. We all know that it takes awhile to accept a truth that is that ugly, but once the seed is planted it does grow.

Rumblekitty
Rumblekitty
8 years ago
Reply to  newchumpatl

I actually met two real nice people from SI. We’re email buddies still.

It definitely served it’s purpose, but I know what you mean . . . I can’t tell someone to give their serial cheating wife/husband another shot. I just couldn’t do it.

newchumpatl
newchumpatl
8 years ago
Reply to  Rumblekitty

There was one lady I met at BAN whose H was a serial cheater, craigslist hookups, the whole nine yards. I felt for her.. she wanted to excuse it as a “sex addition”.. something I don’t believe in.

I still think about her, wonder if she got the guts to leave his stupid ass.

ChumpLadyFan
ChumpLadyFan
8 years ago
Reply to  newchumpatl

LOL…just as I said a few posts up. They’re ALL jumping on that excuse now. I think it basically started when that fool Tiger Woods claimed to be a sex addict rather than own that he was doing what MOST popular sports figures do – screwing around every chance they get. The only difference between him and the others doing it is that HE got caught.

Ever since then, everyone’s been jumping on the bandwagon and using that excuse. It’s actually pitiful.

Anita
Anita
8 years ago
Reply to  newchumpatl

They can call it whatever. It’s just a guy following their dick around. Or the female version. They value sex above all.

Rumblekitty
Rumblekitty
8 years ago
Reply to  Lulu

I stopped hitting SI long ago. I felt like if I offered the advice of “OH MY GOD MAN!! JUST LEAVE THE BITCH AND GET ON WITH YOUR LIFE!” they would ban me.

And stuff like this:
Me: 32
Him: 36
In a relationship since 10/31/08
D-day 1: 05/08/09
D-day 2: 08/30/10
D-day 3: 05/07/11
D-day 4: 09/2012
D-day 5: 08/2013

Reconciling

Tempest
Tempest
8 years ago
Reply to  Rumblekitty

Perhaps everyone should post, “For crying out loud, leave the loser already!” on the SI board. We’d all be banned, but who cares? Perhaps we should each leave such a comment, one per day, starting in alphabetical order. Whose CL moniker starts with A?

Boudica Reborn
Boudica Reborn
8 years ago
Reply to  Tempest

Well Tempest, I’m game, and mine starts with a B. If we want to do this alphabetically, is there a way that I can know if it’s my turn? I don’t visit the SI board.

Tempest
Tempest
8 years ago
Reply to  Boudica Reborn

I love it, Boudica! My kind of woman.

We need to save those poor people attempting wreckonciliation. This is public service, chumps. For anyone who is game, here’s the schedule to let the poor chumps on SI know there is an alternative to perpetual depression and gaslighting. Steer them towards Tracy’s site, if you like.
Sept 17 (tomorrow): CL code names with A
Set. 18: names with a B (Boudica, your turn to shine!)
Sept. 19: Names with C-Cl (since lots of “chump names”)
Sept. 20: Cm-Cz
21: D, E
22: F, G
23: H, I
24: J, K
25: L, M
26: N, O
27: P, Q
28: R, S
29: T, U (that’s me)
30: V,W
Oct 1: X, Y, Z

Tempest
Tempest
8 years ago
Reply to  Tracy Schorn

Fair enough; we can mention alternatives, or our own relief at ending reconciliation because leaving brought more peace, or because whatever we knew about an affair was the tip of the iceberg (and leave CL out of it).

Einstein
Einstein
8 years ago
Reply to  Tempest

I’m in.

Tempest
Tempest
8 years ago
Reply to  Tempest

Doesn’t have to be SI–find any reconciliation board and let people know there is an alternative.

ChumpLadyFan
ChumpLadyFan
8 years ago
Reply to  Rumblekitty

You are PREACHING to the choir! Some of those fools on SI’s Reconciliation board have profiles EXACTLY as RumbleKitty listed – tons of D-Days, multiple affair partners, countless hookups from Adult Friend finder or Craigslist, visits to the local massage parlors for years, and the list just goes ON.

And they’re ‘reconciling.’ Seriously??? Staying really IS the new shame, isn’t it?

I want to blow my damned brains out reading their Reconciliation board on SI. My god, the DELUSION. It’s like a Jim Jones Kool-Aid party over there with them always encouraging each other to stay the course with some lying, cheating scumbag whose pretending to be OH so remorseful. And god forbid you try to infuse a little truth into their delusion over there – you’ll get banned immediately.

And they all DO need some phony, trumped-up psychological REASON for their cheater’s behavior. They refuse to believe they married a lying cheater who did it simply because they wanted to. No, that’s too easy. It’s GOT to be some ridiculous ‘foo’ issue or that old standby they’re ALL using now, ‘he’s a sex addict!’ or ‘he’s a porn addict!’ Yes, every cheater now is a sex addict, and porn was his ‘gateway drug’ according to the sheep.

I guess they’ll tell themselves anything and swallow every last ounce of their pride in order to stay with these cheating losers.

Einstein
Einstein
8 years ago
Reply to  ChumpLadyFan

Wow, CLFan…you hit that one OUT OF THE PARK. Jim Jones Kool-Aid Party…..perfection!

Lulu
Lulu
8 years ago
Reply to  ChumpLadyFan

I don’t comment on the reconciliation forum because I know they’re not interested in what I have to say, but I visit it from time to time simply for the affirmation that I did the right thing by leaving.

unicornomore
unicornomore
8 years ago

” ‘This’ was a terrible thing to do to the mother of my children ”

wow, that sounds like a nice apology… dang…I wonder what he considered “this” to even be…how handy and sanitized to bundle betrayal, cruelty, abandonment, threats, insults, untold adulterous monkey sex, forgetting he had children for months at a time and scores of other selfish irresponsibility into “this”

then there was the time he said “I had a bad moment”

moment?

his time of acute abuse and betrayal lasted longer that WWII, no fucking joke

KarenE
KarenE
8 years ago
Reply to  unicornomore

unicornnomore, you were clearly married to my ex’s twin! He tried to apologize, but just couldn’t actually say the words of what he had done!!!! And then of course was resentful when I asked him to say it.

Even today, he takes no responsibility for his CHOICES, and has rarely made any mention of the pain he caused, to me or the kids. He was ‘angry, and deaf to others’ needs’, but he’s all better now! A changed man! Wow, it’s amazing what a few months and a few sessions of therapy can do. (Where’s the sarcasm font when you need it!)

k
k
8 years ago
Reply to  unicornomore

Oh and let’s forget the infamous word MISTAKE !

Tempest
Tempest
8 years ago
Reply to  k

and the passive voice, “mistakes were made.”

Survivor
Survivor
8 years ago
Reply to  Tempest

“mistakes were made” (implying by many, probably other, people).

mary
mary
8 years ago
Reply to  Survivor

Yes, mistakes were made all right. I made the mistake of staying after DDay 1.

Survivor
Survivor
8 years ago
Reply to  mary

Yes, Mary, but you owned that particular and finite mistake. It wasn’t made to you by indeterminate, maybe multiple, people. It didn’t just happen. They never do.

Karan
Karan
8 years ago
Reply to  k

“Mistake”….”this”….. Mine always liked to say ” moving forward” instead of DIVORCE!!!! Being the good ” bible believing , Christian, head elder , nice guy” I guess “moving forward” didn’t leave the same sinful feeling in his mouth as divorce did…..funny how changing words doesn’t change the real meaning….i

newchumpatl
newchumpatl
8 years ago

This article is timely for me. I also sought some semblance of an answer from my STBX and he was even worse than most cheaters because he continued to lie to me about it. He NEVER admitted that his schmoopie was anything other than a “friend”.. which was, and continues to be, horseshit. He’s going on a trip this week, out of the blue, claims he’s going alone. I told him.. there is no reason to lie NOW??? Yet he insists. Anything to keep up the image.. or whatever. Why keep lying?

This is even WORSE for the poor chump because some of us don’t even get a validation of the obvious truth.. that they lied to us, continue to lie to us, and disrespect us and the families we worked hard to build.

Eventually you just have to find closure for yourself.. trust they suck and realize they are disordered liars. Wish the Schmoopies good luck untangling that skein because as CL and CN say… they don’t get character transplants. The things that plague them now will always plague them- with us, with current schmoopie or future schmoopies. Until they learn to take responsibility for their lives and choices- their lives will be drama filled messes.

But chumps, this is not our problem. Not our circus, not our monkey. Onward and upward.

Bluebird89
Bluebird89
8 years ago
Reply to  newchumpatl

newchumpatl, my incredible catch did the very same thing! If I had a dollar for every time he said “we are just friends”. Finally after months he admitted he’d characterize it as an ’emotional affair’ and that he ‘wants to see what will happen’. Apparently prior to this he didn’t realize you could emotionally cheat on your spouse. So, the part where he felt like he had to keep it a secret didn’t tip him off it was wrong? The part where he lied about where he was going and what he was doing seemed totally above board? If you’re sneaking around and it’s not a surprise FOR your spouse, something is def wrong!!! He admitted kissing her, but he won’t admit to sex. I told him I’d bet that’s because he thinks I’ll go NC. We are barely speaking now, but there’s been a few things to address post-divorce. He’ll be out of my life completely very soon. I know it’s self destructive, but I’ve been a little curious. Amazingly, it doesn’t matter how many lies I’ve caught him in, he just lies some more or avoids answering. Incredible.

Marci
Marci
8 years ago

I think a large percentage of cheaters never expect to get caught, so they have no reason except for utter selfishness, and a complete lack of self esteem as a partner and parent. No empathy for others.

Michael
Michael
8 years ago

Sort of on the flip side, my cheater said she emailed her ex-boyfriend because she needed closure. Then one thing led to another and they had sex. That is a strange kind of closure. She had been setting me up the whole time because she would occasionally mention that she wanted to contact him for this purpose but really she was fantasizing about him.

Drew
Drew
8 years ago
Reply to  Michael

Cheaters are always “fishing,” casting about, and looking for others to hook up with. That’s the difference with these losers. You are married, and they are still looking.

sephage
sephage
8 years ago

All great comments above.

I’m a fan of simplifying, so I would add only this:

You cannot achieve rational closure with someone who’s character sucks massive amounts of spiritual donkey-ass.

And to engage in the levels of deception required for cheating, your (hopefully very soon to be ex-) spouse, by definition, **HAS** to have character that sucks massive amounts of spiritual donkey-ass.

I think people get hung up on closure because otherwise it means going solo on facing the truth that a) your (hopefully very soon to be ex-) spouse actually does suck that badly, which means that b) no, you really didn’t know your (hopefully very soon to be ex-) spouse all that well. Which means chumpy you has some internal psychological restructuring to do regarding how you approach long-term relationships.

Those are all bitter pills to swallow, but they contain the medicine that will set you free to live your most kick-ass, authentic, mighty, cheater-free life.

Ninja chump
Ninja chump
8 years ago
Reply to  sephage

“Sucks massive amounts of spiritual donkey Ass” LMAO!!

FeralBlue
FeralBlue
8 years ago
Reply to  sephage

You owe me a new keyboard.

“character that sucks massive amounts of spiritual donkey-ass”

Coffee, everywhere.

newchumpatl
newchumpatl
8 years ago
Reply to  FeralBlue

LOL me too

sephage
sephage
8 years ago
Reply to  newchumpatl

No problem – I’ve got plenty of old Dell keyboards to go around! And wine, too – I can supply the vino for the first CN mass gathering 🙂

Tempest
Tempest
8 years ago
Reply to  sephage

Humor, keyboards, and wine–the ideal man.

sephage
sephage
8 years ago
Reply to  Tempest

But Tempest, surely you have heard that I am Satan incarnate? Or do you not talk to my cheating STBXW?? 😉

sephage
sephage
8 years ago
Reply to  sephage

Tempest – HA!!!!! Awesome.

Tempest
Tempest
8 years ago
Reply to  sephage

I tried to talk to your STBXW once, but I don’t understand Parseltongue.

Karan
Karan
8 years ago
Reply to  Tempest

Count me in….where do we meet!!!!! I don’t need the new keyboard, but can certainly spew wine all over mine if that is a requirement!!!!!

IHaveHate
IHaveHate
8 years ago
Reply to  Karan

Ready too! Where to? Someplace tropical, I hope!

LadyStrange
LadyStrange
8 years ago
Reply to  Karan

ChumpyElf got something started for the 2016 Chumpalooza. It is under the forums….. I think in the “Off Topic” section.

Chumptitude
Chumptitude
8 years ago
Reply to  Karan

I’m in for a gathering too!

slg188
slg188
8 years ago

Mine said because we didn’t have a beach wedding… we had been married 8 years… and the last time we went to the beach was 9 years earlier…

Calla2015
Calla2015
8 years ago

This is really resonates with me. I went down this path a few times and every time he was always like “oh, you didn’t do x” or “you needed to be better at y.” I even came back at him a few times and said “well, you could’ve chosen counseling or divorce or scrapbooking or anything other than cheating.” It made no difference to him; he didn’t suddenly develop a conscience. It’s really just not worth pursuing anymore. Meh is the path I’m pursuing now.

cheaterssuck
cheaterssuck
8 years ago

Here’s the closure: They don’t love us. They don’t respect us. They don’t care about anyone else but themselves. The marriage is over.

Just wash, rinse, repeat. It’s a shovel upside the head no doubt but that is the mantra that chumps everywhere need to keep repeating until they achieve understanding. In my humble opinion that is the only “faking it until you make it” that is needed.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that phrase on an infidelity website, well I’d have a lot of nickels! Don’t fake happiness until you make it; repeat those words above over and over until you believe them.

mary
mary
8 years ago
Reply to  cheaterssuck

How about faking meh until you make it.

cheaterssuck
cheaterssuck
8 years ago
Reply to  mary

That works too!

Roberta
Roberta
8 years ago

I probably got the most honest answer from my cheater at the time he dropped the bomb. He told me, ” I thought I was cute!” Ummm….. WTF? Meaning he had an offer of easy pussy, he had the ability to lie and set up the big sex meeting, so he literally jumped on it! It was only after his pea brain realized that it exposed him and his blatant selfishness that he started blaming me with some of the weakest excuses known to man! He was out right ridiculous. So now he can live with all that BS and Schmoopie the rest of his miserable life.
And Tracy, if you got an offer that was unacceptable and a lawyer who wanted you to sign an unacceptable offer, you did the right thing saying NO and firing your lawyer! Remember, this is your one chance to get it right and provide for you and your girls! DO NOT settle for good enough! I know it’s a pain, but get the settlement you need and want. You will regret it if you take some of these crappy offers just to stop having to deal with the disordered asshole! I was offered some pretty bad settlements and I continued to say NO! Finally my idiot Ex and his lawyer knew I wasn’t going to budge and it took some time, but he finally signed off on what I wanted from the very beginning! Get a real tough as nails lawyer and dig in for the long haul! We are talking about how your life will look many years down the road after you rid yourself of the cheater. There is no do over and if you do have to go back to court then your odds of modifying an agreement are slim and expensive! Believe me, these assholes will fold given time!

kar marie
kar marie
8 years ago

Millions ofpeople break up and divorce every day. Not painful just a fact of life I was told cheating is normal and most people except it and remain good friends like his girlfriends 2 ex husbands. Ha! The first one cheated on her cause she cheated on him and they hate each other. The first one was the love her life. Second one was a worm she could lead aroundby the nose. She spent them into bbankruptcy and bad credit. Poor guy has a break down she cheats and divorced him. Sunk her cclaws into my asshole who promptly tells her he will most likely cheat on her he still loves me still wants me still in love with me her comment you’ll never do it to me I’m the true love the one and only and you’ll forget all about everyone else but me. If he told me that when I met him like he told her I would have run away screaming no! Told her that on their 2nd date and wanted him more!! Arrgh! Really! Seriously! They deserve each other for sure. 30 years I was with this man (asswipe) if these cheating bastards and bitches would only be honest sorry not sorry say they fell in love with someone else they are leaving for this skank want a divorce make it fair help the injured spouse to sell the house and move on god would it still hurt and be extremely painful but the end result could happen quicker. I was supposed to go in a rental so they could move in my house that I paid like a good little chump til they got their shit together whenever that would be. So instead of ending everything I would have been fighting for years to sell my house. My lawyer told me do not leave the house getting the right decision for you could take years if your ex decides to fight it the judge can’t enforce a rental agreement I could wipe my ass with it. Ex was irate I listened to a competent member of the bar or him and his incredibly smart girlfriend!!! They know what’s best for me. Seriously! You can’t make this stuff up!!!

chumpnomore
chumpnomore
8 years ago

CL is so right, again (or before,since this is an old post). Everytime I tried the relationship autopsy conversation (before finding CL) it was a complete and utter disaster because it usually went in the direction of “I am sorry BUT…” and the “buts” were totally unsatisfactory : “I thought you didn´t love me anymore” “you were too worried about the kids and not enough about me” “you wouldn´t go out to parties with me (because I was home with the kids AND he would never invite me!!) “you are a strong women” “you didn´t seduce me enough” “you are not a good communicator” “you forced me into getting married, having kids and having the dream home we always wanted”… I stuck my head into a garbage disposal rather than a blender!

Cheaterssuck
Cheaterssuck
8 years ago
Reply to  chumpnomore

I too got “I didn’t think you loved me anymore” and the ever popular “Our marriage was over anyway” BS.

There is only ONE signifier that a marriage is over asshat: it’s called a divorce. Something that can be procured quite hastily in this country if everyone plays fair. Something that should be procured before they start having sex with other people.

They are cowards though. They do not dare venture into the dark, scary world alone unless they have a soft place to land. They are test driving their next relationship with either no intention of committing to one or the other or for a specified period of time in which they can decide who is pick me dancing better.

This is one of the reasons that I believe second, third, fourth and beyond ddays occur. Once they give themselves permission to cheat once, they will keep doing it until they find what they perceive is their perfect mate.

I honestly believe that the only thing guaranteed by staying with a cheater after they’ve been caught once is another dday.

Bluebird89
Bluebird89
8 years ago
Reply to  Cheaterssuck

Cheaterssuck, at one point he said to me “you looked at me like you hated me”. This was his justification for going off the rails and pretending like I don’t exist. I didn’t have any idea which moment he was talking about in particular. When I tried to talk with him about what was going on, he’d say “you’re going to divorce me anyways”. In the end, he was right, but that wasn’t my desire out of the gate. I actually wanted to work it out. Now I’m convinced it was all a ploy to get me to do his dirty work. Now he can tell all his new friends “she left me” and not even have to pay for the divorce. Honestly, it all happened super quick (I moved out four months ago, the divorce was final a week ago) and I wonder if I rushed it.

Survivor
Survivor
8 years ago
Reply to  Cheaterssuck

Agreed, Cheaterssuck. If they can keep their cake while they troll for kibbles, they will never stop. I would add that if you stay with them, you have given them permission to cheat again because they will expect the same generosity the next time.

Mehphista
Mehphista
8 years ago

It is impossible to justify abuse, hence no closure.

CalamityJane
CalamityJane
8 years ago
Reply to  Mehphista

B I N G O !

mary
mary
8 years ago

When I was pick me dancing, unicorn hunting, and a lot further from meh than I am today I was fed some real gems:
I was too young and immature to be married – 30 years after the wedding
I like OW and want to go on seeing her but there is no point in divorcing over it as it will not last anyway
We have hurt each other too much
She is just an innocent woman who I started dating after separation – and the six and a half years before separation
My mum screwed me up
Your dad screwed you up
OW says that this has ruined her life and never thought that I would lie to her

I bet u all have heard various versions of the above and many more – well folks, that is closure for you so why go begging them to continue lying and mindfucking like its a favour that you need from them.
If we want something from these people then they have the power to deny us it – use that power to their own advantage – and keep them going in kibbles.
We need to find our own closure here – we won’t get the “truth” from liars and the answers that we seek probably do not exist.

I prefer the word acceptance – acceptance of reality – you know it really does not matter if they first fucked in June or in January or if they used the car or a hotel to do it in. It happened.
We want control back and we look to our cheater – who was willing and able to screw us over – to provide us with the information to achieve that. OK – I did sort of love him and his dick is average to large in size and I came twice or – she was no good at blow jobs and refused to do that, except on two occasions last summer when you were visiting family. You are prettier but her tits felt firm……
Why torture ourselves here.
Do not ask questions or have personal conversations about AP, why, where, when or how. If the marriage is over it really does not matter.
Go NC as far as possible. When you do have to interact be polite and businesslike – their private life is no longer your concern. Do not pump your children/friends/anybody for stories about them or check their social media. Put your time and energy into making your own life move forward….this is a process and not always easy. If you have a bad day or backslide then dust yourself down and keep on going – as long as its in the opposite direction from where the hurt and danger lies. It gets easier – I promise.

Kelly
Kelly
8 years ago
Reply to  mary

“If we want something from these people then they have the power to deny us it”

That is what we have to always remember, Mary.

MrsVain
MrsVain
8 years ago