He Dumped Her While Pregnant

dumped pregnant

He dumped her when she was pregnant for his “best friend,” another woman. She’s getting over their breakup and subsequent miscarriage, yet he seems to be living his best life.

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Dear Chump Lady,

I have used your amazing blog to keep motivation for no contact. 

My partner of 5 years has always been very reliant on me planning his life from clothes to food to daily tasks. He even would sit on the toilet while I had a bath! I had to lock the door to stop him sitting with me while I went to the toilet!

He was prone to make grand gestures when I showed signs of being unhappy with him for being financially irresponsible, mean spirited and cold.

In February, he became more distant and cried a lot.

He stated he felt no feelings or emotions for anyone, even his own mother. He reassured me he still felt something for me. I helped him as I assumed it was due to depression. I cared for him like a mother over a sick child. At the same time his best friend recently became single. He would go over to her shop across the road while I was home, to comfort her over her dead rabbit. He would disappear to the gym for hours a day. Played badminton until 1 a.m. 

I finally hit breaking point and arranged a conversation while I stated how I’m upset with our relationship currently. He reacted badly and I decided to leave for the weekend to give us space. I came back and cooked for his family.

The next day he disappeared to his sister’s and then dumped me over the phone. He stayed in the house for three days and repeatedly dumped me and told me how it’s not my fault but he’s not loved me for months. He needed to work on himself. I was a complete nervous wreck and definitely lost the little self respect and worth I had. 

He left me to empty the two-bedroom house, look after the dog and pay the bills. I found out I was pregnant a few days later.

I showed pregnancy signs for a few weeks, but just assumed it was anxiety from my failing relationship. I packed my ex’s stuff, asked him what he wanted to keep, sold a lot of the furniture. I went to him to give him his stuff, but also to tell him about the baby. He told me to not baby trap me and he doesn’t want anything to do with me and it. My heart broke. I later had a miscarriage while sorting the house in tears. 

A few weeks later, he has been showing his new girlfriend off. His best friend. They have been going to my gym every day together filming ‘cute’ TikTok’s. He was posted her everywhere. Emailed me informing me they were going on holiday. Which is something he’s been promising me for two years. Took her to the beach he wouldn’t take me and used all my loyalty cards so I received the emails to let me know about it.

He stated I was unsupportive and treated him badly. He fell out of love with me during our last date. He was talking to his best friend for month in our relationship.

How can you ever trust someone again?

How can cheaters move on and have a great new relationship? How can I move on while still grieving my miscarriage and failed relationship?

The Ultimate ‘They’re Just a Friend’ Chump

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Dear Ultimate Chump,

You are drinking the Koolaid that this fuckwit is capable of a “great new relationship.”

Anyone who can go on a beach vacation with his new girlfriend after learning he knocked you up, send you an email to gloat about his magnificent holiday, and stiff you with the bills is someone who should be duct-taped to a cement block and thrown in the trunk of a car — not mourned.

That’s very dark, Tracy.

I didn’t say throw him in the river. I had darker thoughts. And I stopped myself. Besides, we are just imagining grisly justice for this FW. It’s peace, love and meh here at Chump Lady. BUT I CAN DREAM.

I really hate this guy for you.

There’s so much to hate, but let’s begin with “baby trap.”

You are not the Virgin Mary. You didn’t get yourself pregnant. Your vagina is not a bear clamp. HE EJACULATED IRRESPONSIBLY, which resulted in your pregnancy. But, because irresponsible is his FW brand, he has to blame you for his RECKLESS CUM.

I’m sorry you miscarried, but I’m not sorry you avoided this guy as your child’s father. Parenthood is hard enough without tethering yourself to a FW. (Ask a few bazillion of us here how we know.)

This is all very traumatic.

I’m going to skip graduate-level questions, like how do you trust again (slowly, it happens on a Tuesday) and just dissect your nightmare and reframe it.

My partner of 5 years has always been very reliant on me planning his life from clothes to food to daily tasks. He even would sit on the toilet while I had a bath! I had to lock the door to stop him sitting with me while I went to the toilet!

How exhausting. The man has no boundaries! This is literally the behavior of a toddler. We pick out clothing for small children, feed them snacks, and in return they deny us privacy. You’ve been shackled to a toddler.

Actual toddlers, however, are worth the effort. It’s not their fault they’re boundary-trampling rhinoceroses. They don’t know any better. Your man-child knows better, it’s just much nicer for him to have a Mommy Appliance to do the adulting for him.

Grand gestures = love bombing.

He was prone to make grand gestures when I showed signs of being unhappy with him for being financially irresponsible, mean spirited and cold.

Buying you a pony (or whatever the gesture was) is financially irresponsible and it’s also shitty, because it’s manipulative. There’s no sincere connection in “shut up and I’ll buy you something.” Big gestures are love bombing AKA the cycle of abuse.

He stated he felt no feelings or emotions for anyone, even his own mother.

He just told you he was a sociopath. When people say things like this PAY ATTENTION. It’s NOT NORMAL. It’s dangerous.

I cared for him like a mother over a sick child.

By his own admission, he has no emotions for his own mother. So caring for him like a mother gets you NADA. But it sure is useful for him.

At the same time his best friend recently became single.

You’re his partner of five years. Why aren’t you his “best friend”? Oh, right because he’s a FW who likes to keep women off balance and in pick-me position.

He would go over to her shop across the road while I was home, to comfort her over her dead rabbit.

How much conversation is there over a bereaved rabbit? “Oh, I can’t look at that corner of gnawed carpet without thinking of Floppy. Now that he’s gone, I have to compost my rotting vegetables. God, how he loved his limp spinach. REST IN POWER, FLOPPY.”

He was cheating on you then, you know this, right?

He reacted badly and I decided to leave for the weekend to give us space. I came back and cooked for his family.

Chumpy hugs. Lesson to take forward: When people treat you like crap, don’t do nice things for them to win them back. I know you were just being a decent person who does thoughtful things reflexively, but at that moment, you were taking a big step back and evaluating the relationship. How painful and lopsided it was. The last thing you needed to do then was serve his family.

He stayed in the house for three days and repeatedly dumped me and told me how it’s not my fault but he’s not loved me for months. He needed to work on himself. I was a complete nervous wreck and definitely lost the little self respect and worth I had. 

No. He does not control your self-worth. YOU own that.

GET MAD.

He left me to empty the two-bedroom house, look after the dog and pay the bills.

I’m furious for you. I hope you emptied his possessions into a dumpster. But I know you’re heartbroken. Still, it’s not your job to literally clean up his messes. Please tell me you got the dog.

I went to him to give him his stuff, but also to tell him about the baby.

My heart hurts for you.

He told me to not baby trap me and he doesn’t want anything to do with me and it.

Okay, now I’m having dark thoughts about cement blocks and rivers again. Fuck him. It? Pray this man never breeds.

I later had a miscarriage while sorting the house in tears. 

No words. A lot of passionate fury for your ex, however.

he has been showing his new girlfriend off. His best friend. They have been going to my gym every day together filming ‘cute’ TikTok’s.

Boy, she sure got over Floppy quick.

Emailed me informing me they were going on holiday. Which is something he’s been promising me for two years. Took her to the beach he wouldn’t take me and used all my loyalty cards so I received the emails to let me know about it.

HE USED YOUR LOYALTY CARDS?

The ironic metaphors just write themselves. This man wouldn’t know loyalty if it bit his left nipple. Or tied him to a cement block and threw him in the Ganges. (I’m sorry, this fantasy will not go away.)

He enjoys your pain. You’re well clear of him. And he’ll torture his “best friend” too. But right now she’s just the tool to bludgeon you with. That’s why no contact is essential. You’re not the hypotenuse and it speeds up the karma timetable. She’s next in this pain sweepstakes.

He stated I was unsupportive and treated him badly.

And I’m a tea cosy.

HE IS RIDICULOUS.

Unsupportive would be letting your girlfriend bleed out her dying pregnancy all over the rental floor while you go off on a holiday fuckfest. And then stiffing her with the security deposit.

UNSUPPORTIVE?!

I would stand in line with a threaded pipe to treat this FW badly. Please, this man is just being vile. Do not internalize ANY OF IT.

He fell out of love with me during our last date.

Oh, well, then go right ahead and be a monster…

No! You realize normal people do not behave this way? This guy is sick.

How can cheaters move on and have a great new relationship?

They don’t. He hasn’t got the raw materials for a relationship. He doesn’t have emotions, connection, or ethics. But he does have cruelty and manipulation. Wherever he goes, there he is.

How can I move on while still grieving my miscarriage and failed relationship?

You did not “fail” at this relationship. Because a) it wasn’t a relationship, it was an abusive fucktangle. And b) he did all the failing. So, please stop beating yourself up.

Grieve for the relationship and future you thought you were going to have, sure. But him? No. Best thing that could happen is him walking out of your life. Now slam that door shut.

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hush
hush
8 months ago

That man was a stone cold sociopath. Bullet dodged!

@CeciliaRegina275 on YouTube (and formerly TiKTok) would be a great resource. The constant Mention-itis and triangulation with his “Girl best friend” 🚩and his admission he doesn’t feel real emotions 🚩were scary to read. I’m glad you got out safely. Please remain No Contact and never communicate with IT ever again.

Last edited 8 months ago by hush
ChumpyGirlKC
ChumpyGirlKC
8 months ago
Reply to  hush

Never communicate with “IT” again…good one!

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
8 months ago
Reply to  ChumpyGirlKC

Stay away from Pennywise…

thelongrun
thelongrun
8 months ago

Nice monster reference, HOAC! Fits this guy well.😁

LookingForwardsToTuesday
LookingForwardsToTuesday
8 months ago

Ultimate Chump,

You have a lot to process right now (the loss of the relationship that you thought that you had, your miscarriage and the fact that your Ex appears to take great delight in both avoiding responsibility for what he has done and rubbing his new wonderful life in your face to name but a few), but with help and support (and time) you will get through this. There will come a day (Tuesday?) when you realise that the OW won a sparkly turd who isn’t really “all that” …. because he will do to her what he did to you.

Ultimately – at some point in the future – you’ll realise that the OW “took the trash out” and left you in a position to build the wonderful future that you deserve. It will hurt right now, and for a while yet, but I promise that it does get better. Staying “no contact” and avoiding pain shopping will both help you and the way that you feel.

LFTT

Stepbystep
Stepbystep
8 months ago

You’ve been given plenty of evidence that you escaped a sociopath. Separate any remaining legal entanglements through a lawyer, if necessary.

Now the healing work begins. In addition to no contact with him or his family, avoid pursuing another intimate relationship. Use your responsible, caring attributes for your own benefit. You are capable of doing at least three nice things for yourself every day. You are capable of challenging yourself at least three times each day.

This part of healing is defined by making decisions which benefit your independent future. Hugs – it gets easier !

thelongrun
thelongrun
8 months ago
Reply to  Stepbystep

I like dis alot.😁

2xchump
2xchump
8 months ago
Reply to  Stepbystep

Use your giving nature to become more caring of yourself and others who appreciate you. Wise advice. I went right into another relationship with a second cheater. I was never healed from the first. Truly take time between a destructive relationship to heal. It may take years.

ChumpyGirlKC
ChumpyGirlKC
8 months ago
Reply to  2xchump

You and me both, 2x. After my first FW cheater, I went right out and got another and then he also cheated on me 26.5 years later. But at least now, through therapy and lots of books, videos and this blog (Tracy) and awesome folks here in Chump Nation, I have learned (I think, I hope) what I need before I start dating again. I am going to trust in myself that I will never pick a person like this again.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
8 months ago
Reply to  ChumpyGirlKC

Not only will you pick better in future but I think you’re well on your way to being a cheerful beacon of wisdom and truth for others. I mean, bottom line, you can be funny as hell even when you’re being darkly honest and blunt. 😀

2xchump
2xchump
8 months ago
Reply to  ChumpyGirlKC

Chumpygirkc..would love to meet you. We are rowing the same boat to shore. I’ve been in weekly counseling with MOCSA for good reasons and have come around many corners. I’ve learned I cannot and should not even date again. As soon as I see a man I fawn, start caretaking, mothering, giving advice and the dysfunction is ingrained after 32 years with one man child and 14 with the other. Some cannot ejaculate, drink or do anything responsibly..I cannot date or be too close to men. I’m in a convent of my own choosing and I’m finally at peace. It’s so good to read Chump lady as she validates my murderous feelings but keeps me out of prison by her high end advice. No one like this crowd at CN and my KC friend, you are my lighthouse for healing. Let’s keep strong!

2xchump
2xchump
8 months ago

My #1X left me on the delivery room table after giving our daughtee IW middle name. He demands and devalued me as soon as he knew I was pregnant…and only after he said he wanted to be a better father a better man and he wanted his family. I knew nothing about his 3 year with OW from his gym. Every night at thr gym. But here are the blazing red flags. We had a miscarriage the year before, he was out of town but did not come home. I had a second miscarriage while he was also out of town and he did not come for the necessary D&C. So alone post op. I saw he did not care but I could absolutely not believe he did not love me. That was my Achilles heel. He had to love me right? I was absolutely wrong. He did not. I was cake and family. OW won my sorry man and I was left 4 weeks after delivery. Also a son of 6 years old. My childhood sweetheart since 2nd grade. These cheaters cannot love anyone but #1. That was 35 years ago and he and OW wife are still together. Watching them, I dodged a bullet..but they do wait for vulnerability..beware.

ChumpyGirlKC
ChumpyGirlKC
8 months ago
Reply to  2xchump

Omg, so sorry he did that to you. You did not deserve any of that and he was a Shit for doing it!

2xchump
2xchump
8 months ago
Reply to  ChumpyGirlKC

Yes he still he. A friend of mine was his dad’s hospice nurse 20 years after #1 divorce.( My former father in law whom I adored). She told me my X was abusive towards his own mother as his dad was dying. She said she could not give me details but it was too sad for words. That is who left me with a newborn. Dodged a bullet for Sure. They can’t change for you or anyone else. It is all an act.

LovedAJackass
LovedAJackass
8 months ago
Reply to  2xchump

For whatever reason, the OW is willing to tolerate the abuse that he without questions dishes out to her as well as his mother.

2xchump
2xchump
8 months ago
Reply to  2xchump

Take away 👉 point..when people show you who they are. Believe them.

GoodFriend
GoodFriend
8 months ago

Ultimate, you’re not just grieving your lost pregnancy and that loser. Sounds like you also lost your home, maybe your relationship with his family, your hoped-for future beach vacation, your identity and status as part of a couple.
You wrote that in February he became more distant, followed by a weekend apart, a breakup, selling your furniture, the beach vacation, and A few weeks later, he has been showing his new girlfriend off.
Since we aren’t even two weeks into February, it sounds like this happened last year. It’s very common for traumas to be retriggered around anniversary dates of important events, and you were dealing with a breakup right around Valentine’s Day, which is tomorrow. Be kind to yourself. We all need time to heal.
They have been going to my gym every day together filming ‘cute’ TikTok’s. 
Ultimate, you wrote “my gym,” not “the gym.” Is this recent? Could be a coincidence, or could be that he, or they, are trying hard to stir up drama and jealousy. You have no reason to let them push you out, but if you’d rather avoid them, you could switch gyms or go with a friend. Or continue going as usual and be mighty if you cross paths. It will kill him if you don’t seem to care.
My ex did the Loyalty thefts too, both during separation and after divorce, stealing rewards not just from me, but also my octogenarian parents! After robbing my bank accounts, income, valuables, etc., he stole every reward he could access through our phone numbers–cash rewards from grocery stores, pharmacies, gas stations, office supplies, you name it. He had plenty of money, so it seems he couldn’t resist causing more hurt through petty thefts.
If those loyalty cards were solely in your name, you might have a case for theft in small claims court. If the amount was substantial, you could also try reporting them stolen to the police, and ask the card companies for your points/credits back. You have to decide if the effort on your part is worth it, especially if you don’t get compensation.
He is a cruel, ridiculous loser and user. As Tracy advised, reframe him, to yourself and others if necessary. Ridiculing with facts is powerful. “Finally I can use the bathroom alone without him barging in every time to stick to me like a toddler!” conjures up some unforgettable gross imagery along with some laughs.
Especially if you use dumping him in and flushing him away as your mental picture when you think of him.

Disfor
Disfor
8 months ago
Reply to  GoodFriend

“My ex did the Loyalty thefts too, both during separation and after divorce, stealing rewards not just from me, but also my octogenarian parents! After robbing my bank accounts, income, valuables, etc., he stole every reward he could access through our phone numbers–cash rewards from grocery stores, pharmacies, gas stations, office supplies, you name it. He had plenty of money, so it seems he couldn’t resist causing more hurt through petty thefts.”

Err… wow. I’m so sorry!

2xchump
2xchump
8 months ago
Reply to  GoodFriend

Tracy.opened my eyes today. My #2 X would come into the bathroom while I was in the tub, sit down and talk to me UNINVITED, say he wanted to wash my back..if I said..that’s ok please go, he’d leave in a rage. If I said OK, he would grope me and often would hop in also uninvited. The toddler was so appropriate but I think my X rotated between a toddler, a 6 year old and then a 16 year old. Rarely did I get age appropriate ….but those times I hung on to like that was the real guy. It was all an act. Please go no contact, do not shop for sightings of him, put all that mothering into yourself and enjoy the bathroom alone. I do now and every night in my tub alone, I thank God for my new peace and loss of mothering an adult. A very hard won lesson in freedom and boundaries. Stay strong and no going back!

LovedAJackass
LovedAJackass
8 months ago
Reply to  2xchump

If you have to “mother” a “partner,” you don’t have a partner. You have a child in an adult body.

ChumpOnIt
ChumpOnIt
8 months ago

This guy’s confession is hauntingly familiar. At one point ex point blank told me he wasn’t sure if he was capable of love. Honestly should have believed him right there and then. Instead what he got was comfort and reassurance from me. What was happening unbeknownst to be was that he was years deep in his secret sexual basement life of self soothing via prostitutes. The man was a true sociopath (who else could do this for years?) and I was his beard – his grasp at what he perceived as normalcy. I could have been “horrible”, but he was never going to leave me honestly as I was too useful. I’m thinking the OP was at the end of her rope with his shit and he could sense it coming so decided to take the offensive. Or maybe it was because it was one specific person for whom he could leave her rather than a bevy of faceless, paid-for sex, as in my case. Doesn’t matter. He is awash in dysfunction. This is not how meaningful interpersonal relationships are supposed to work – an imbalanced game. There was no winning the game. OP had nothing to work with – he told and showed her himself. What he said about your unborn baby alone was reprehensible. And ultimately that is what the “best friend” is getting. OP, you are no doubt wounded by the lie of this man and what he represented, but you are free.

FYI_
FYI_
8 months ago
Reply to  ChumpOnIt

That line — “I’m not sure I’m capable of love” — is a tolerance tester. In other words, how much will my partner tolerate? Will they tolerate me not giving any love in this relationship, because I am supposedly incapable of it? Will they tolerate me not even fucking dressing myself, because I say I am incapable of it?
Just how much can I make this person twist?

OHFFS
OHFFS
8 months ago
Reply to  FYI_

That’s right. They’re always working an angle.

kim2003
kim2003
8 months ago

Wow, his “best friend” sure got a prize.

I’d put up money that once the initial shock wears off you’ll see what a next level piece of shit this guy is and how lucky you are to be rid of him.

And please…..
When this relationship blows up…..and it likely will…..he may come back with crocodiles tears lamenting his “mistake” and full on love bombing.

Please do not take him back. What did you actually get from him besides feeling needed?

hush
hush
8 months ago
Reply to  kim2003

💯 Do not ever take him back. In fact, block him everywhere and don’t even entertain a conversation with him ever, ever again. He is dangerous.

new here old chump
new here old chump
8 months ago
Reply to  hush

I agree with the dangerous. The emotional damage is scarring and while it’s a type of healing, it’s bad. I am so happy she can get out now, as Tracy and others can attest. Before decades of abuse and children are involved. This guy is garbage. Stay away. I am loving this thread. I love all of them here, just wish I’d found this place sooner, but this one particularly resonates with me. Just SO COLD. People would point that out about him, and I would defend him because of his childhood HAHA. Not anymore. I am free.

damnitfeelsbadtobeachumpster
damnitfeelsbadtobeachumpster
8 months ago

You did not “fail” at this relationship. Because a) it wasn’t a relationship, it was an abusive fucktangle. And b) he did all the failing. So, please stop beating yourself up.

man, it takes time to get to this point, the realization that it was all abusive. just the other day, i was explaining my finances to a specialist, and she asked me, “how did he ensure you didn’t ask about the investments and extra mortgage payments?” it was then that i had a major realization of the manipulation and emotional abuse he consistently used.

he said things like “i know what i’m doing. don’t upset me. you always do this, upset me.” it’s a variation on “you’re no fun” comment we’ve all heard.

reader, he did not know what he was doing and he knew/hid it.

anyway, the understanding and healing process is long.

keep the faith. it was an abusive fucktangle. you’ll pick your way through the lies and omissions, abuses and coincidental near misses. you’ll likely figure out he was cheating all along, etc. etc.

in solidarity.

Archer
Archer
8 months ago

Heartbreakingly familiar. I am not a financial idiot but he had me so conditioned to abuse I did not press non sensical answers in fear of being accused yet again of being an arrogant controlling shrew

new here old chump
new here old chump
8 months ago
Reply to  Archer

that was me, too. Silenced by my abuser so often, you stop protesting.

Disfor
Disfor
8 months ago

I wonder what percentage of the folks posting here see their relationship like this (I mean, I do, of course, but I thought that I was an outlier).

new here old chump
new here old chump
8 months ago
Reply to  Disfor

This was so me.

hush
hush
8 months ago

“It Was All Abusive” 🎯🎯🎯

Bluewren
Bluewren
8 months ago

You are worth so much more than that.

I’m so sorry you lost your little one.

I remember bleeding heavily whilst newly pregnant and hearing Ballbag McGee remark ‘oh well… if it happens it happens’ before walking off Iike all was well.

I remember sitting at his police academy graduation almost ready to give birth with my 15 month old while he and his side piece posed for photos and his request for me to stay in his room while he and the side piece went to an official dinner.

You and any child of yours deserve so much better than this for a father and loving partner- it doesn’t get better if they’re around- trust me on that.

I hope you are surrounded by support and people who will help you build your self worth up again- you are worth so much more than what you have suffered.

2xchump
2xchump
8 months ago

Today’s read is Tracy GOLD🥇💛🪙🏆🏆🏆🏆. EVERY.SINGLE. WORD. Validation to the core. Thank you CL!!!!!

new here old chump
new here old chump
8 months ago
Reply to  2xchump

AGREED

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
8 months ago

Dear Ultimate Winner,

Your ex is a domestic abuser, full stop. Domestic abusers of every shade have a recidivism rate of about 98.5% even with jail time and anger management therapy. Without those two things, recidivism is about 100%. So please put it out of your mind that your ex is fixable or that he’s actually capable of course-correcting and having some wonderful relationship in the future. For all his current image management and pretense of waltzing off into the sunset (typical manipulative abuse tactic), it’s simply not possible.

If you untangle the skein of his fuckedupedness as CL puts it, I think it’s a much safer bet to untangle it in the above direction. Sociopath, psychopath, narcissist, all the above– sure, but I think it’s advisable to file him under the most important heading: criminality. To quote a police investigator, not all criminals are abusers but all abusers are criminals. Even if he hasn’t yet technically broken any law, his behavior and especially his system of rationalization fit the general profile.

Regarding your ex’s rationalizations, here’s a paper on something called “neutralization” or the mental trick by which a range of serial offenders manage to rationalize their offenses at victims’ expense: https://www.mdpi.com/2075-4698/9/2/46 I think you’ll recognize several elements of it. Basically the paper describes how repeat offenders have an “off switch” for empathy that both quells guilt or a sense of stigma for past ill deeds and paves the way to commit future offenses. And the process is generally progressive.

It’s actually the mental tricks to reduce empathy– the “off switch”– which shows that your ex is dangerous and possibly capable of much worse, though it’s pretty hard to top what he’s already done (as I’ll get into in a bit). He may not be in the fist-swinging stage yet and may never graduate to it but that’s neither here nor there since, for one thing, domestic abusers tend to operate on a beat-by-need basis, usually preferring less athletic and less legally risky means of crushing the agency out of their prey. The most skilled abusers may literally never need to lift a finger to keep their partners under their thumbs.

For another thing, Evan Stark, the late veteran domestic violence researcher and spearhead of the movement to criminalize coercive control (please read everything he’s written– brilliant and humane) noted that rates of severe coercive control (subviolent forms of psychological abuse and coercion) were increasing in inverse proportion as rates of severe domestic assault and murder were going down and that this shift was happening in response to increasing legal punishments towards domestic assault. In other words, abusers, like all criminals, are self interested and prefer to avoid consequences so that many of yesterday’s fist-swingers and bone-breakers are today’s psychological torturers.

Like viruses mutating to evade updates to human immune defenses, abusers generally adapt their methods to evade updates in justice response or in response to more people becoming aware of telltale red flags for abusers (for instance, if a history of childhood trauma becomes a widespread red flag for potential abusers, many abusers might start to pretend they had idyllic childhoods, etc.). But Stark’s argument isn’t that this statistical reduction in overt forms of violence is such a great improvement since abuse survivors almost universally report that the psychological coercion and torture involved with abuse are far more devastating and paralyzing than even violent assault. Furthermore, Stark’s years of research show that it’s a history of coercive control more than a history of violent assault which is actually the most statistically predictive of eventual domestic murder.

You didn’t elaborate much on the mean-spirited/cold behavior you described but, if you did go into more detail, I have a feeling it would start to form a noticeable– if subtle– pattern that pointed to covert coercion and control and systematic isolation. Like did he go into this “cold” behavior (i.e., the “tension building” stage of the abuse cycle) or mean behavior whenever you were about to socialize either together or by yourself or go out to do something fun? If this sounds familiar, consider the idea that this was meant to crush the charm, joy and social expansiveness out of you to prevent you from attracting friends and potential supporters (who might help you to resist his bs) or even new suitors.

Consider that he always followed you to the bathroom because he knows from his own sneaky behavior that this is where people usually text their secret paramours. By the same token, consider that his spotty work history or general economic irresponsibility was so he could spend more time keeping an eye on you. Again, he was cock-blocking.

Virtually all domestic abusers are ferociously monogamous but only hypocritically so– i.e., sexual freedom for them and none for victims. Like dogs with two (or more) bones, they may chew everything edible off the first bone and then bury it in preference for a new bone but they’ll still paranoically guard the burial site of the first bone to prevent any other dog from getting to it. Or, if they’re highly skilled and wily abusers, they’ll simply destroy the self esteem of the first bone to the point that the first bone may never again try to unbury themselves.

When abusers perceive they’ve gotten their victims into the latter inert state, they’ll feel freer to “discard” and replace victims and will often do a kind of sadistic victory dance about it as if reveling in the “defeat” of victims and as if this rejection is an act of revenge. If so, it probably relates to something called “masked dependency” whereby many abusers conceal their infantile dependency on partners, related pathological (and unfixable and self-fulfilling) fear of abandonment by partners and consequent seething resentment of the “power” that partners have to abandon them. Precisely because this is often expressed only covertly, it can be hard for survivors and bystanders to put two and two together and identify erratic behavior and abuse as little more than cock-blocking/mate guarding and systematic isolation. For more on the phenomenon of “masked dependency,” read Susan Golant’s and Donald Dutton’s The Batterer (caveat: Dutton turned out to be a douche later in his academic career so I suspect Golant is the real mind behind the important theories in the book).

I know the “enforcement of one-sided monogamy” model doesn’t seem to fit with the current situation where he’s abandoned you. But beware that the fat lady may not have sung yet in this situation and you may be in for more post-separation abuse, especially if you commit to no contact, cut off his access to financial perks, etc. Another mark of abusers is the toddler-ish push-pull behavior. CL nailed that one on the head. Abusers will viciously devalue and discard (like toddlers running away from mommy on the playground and screaming in rage if mommy follows) yet still fully expect to come back at any later point to find their victims still curled up inert in the fetal position crying the abuser’s name and unable to move on. If you dare to move on, you may find him almost telepathically circling back around to reboot the fear and control program.

Also, did you find yourself changing plans or curbing ambitions over time? And, over time, did you start feeling an increasing sense of spooky, vague anxiety every time you left home and, because of this, found yourself cutting plans short or hurrying back without knowing why? If so, these are classic marks of a psychological hostage situation and coercive control.

In short, I don’t think it’s any accident that you ended up “mothering” him through his supposed depression or that you came back from your break to cook dinner for his family. I even think his hobosexuality was a form of control. I think you were frog-boiled, conditioned and trained over time to cater to his whims in order to avoid the vague “doom signals” that he was emitting whenever you showed too much independence.

The toxic Redpill/manosphere cult is infamous for codifying this system of doom-signalling control of partners. The tactic is called “dread games” or “dreading” but it’s really a matter of followers consciously mimicking the behaviors that pathological abusers will commit without putting any thought or effort into it since it’s typically learned from infancy in abusive families of origin and polished over many generations. It’s one of the reasons abusers are so intractable and incurable– because, for a cradle-trained and practiced abuser it’s all about being able to commit the harm and benefit from the control while simultaneously remaining luxuriously blind to their own pathetic or aggressive motives and the harm they do, therefore unburdened by conscience and self reflection and free to abuse again and again and again and again ad infinitum, ad nausea or, worse comes to worse, ad mortem.

The spooky consequences of displeasing him in previous years may not have been clear to your conscious mind but I think your gut obviously accurately sensed what he was capable of because, with his current behavior, he just proved what he was capable of– a staggering, dangerous level of callousness. If you found yourself feeling gradually paralyzed over time and found your life getting smaller and more confined, it’s no wonder.

In this situation the callousness manifested as abandonment of you in your most physically and emotionally vulnerable state and callous abandonment of an unborn child. Because evidence based research finds that coercive control and emotional abuse can increase risk of miscarriage and other adverse pregnancy outcomes, I strongly suspect the shock and stress his behavior caused contributed to pregnancy loss.

So that’s likely why your previous “servility” and spackling was fear based and not necessarily due to any preexisting psychological issues you have: because, bottom line, this is a person capable of contributing to fetal death. That’s fucking terrifying. I’m as pro-choice as they come but I believe that abusers who contribute to the death of wanted unborn children are a species of murderer.

Again as far as his “happy ending” with someone else, in years to come as he ages and his options to latch onto another passing body and play his push-pull dread games with future partners start to wane, that callousness could show itself in even more terrifying ways. With any grade of abuser, it’s always a game of Russian roulette.

I hope you stick around this forum and seek other forms of support but I would warn against therapeutic victim-blaming because it can make the trauma worse and longer lasting. Make sure any therapist (or personal supporter) is versed in PTSD and coercive control and doesn’t operate under the old-timey, debunked “psychological deficiency theory” of domestic abuse victims. Even if you have a history of being too conciliatory to users and takers and would like to resolve this, it’s still not why this happened to you. Listen to CL’s recent podcast with coercive control expert Dr. Emma Katz who argues the same thing can just as easily happen to strongest people with great boundaries too.

Personally I believe this is because, for everyone alive on earth, there’s a predator out there who knows how to get past our individual radars, “hack” our defenses and gradually frog-boil us into states of learned helplessness and captor-bonding. Educating ourselves on how these predators operate and how they turn victims’ strengths into liabilities is one step towards self-protection. What’s more, the greater your understanding of these things, the more you’ll be able to extrapolate the principles to “macro” or political forms of abuse and the more in common you’ll have with other people who have squared off against various forces of ill in the world. It’s an exciting point of bonding with other genuinely constructive people. Studies even show that survivors of trauma can sometimes end up with more fulfilling lives and relationships because of this revelatory process.

All the same I would never thank evil people for this “learning curve” because it’s in spite of them and in defiance of them that anyone overcomes. It may not seem like it now but you’re on your way to joining the worldwide, groovy, amorphous “resistance movement”. Come to the dark side, we have cookies. I wish you strength in your resolve and hope for a far better and creep-free future.

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new here old chump
new here old chump
8 months ago

LOVE all of this. Thanks for this.

OHFFS
OHFFS
8 months ago

That is the truth. I think this guy has femicidal potential.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
8 months ago
Reply to  OHFFS

It can be especially misleading when an abuser acts like a weepy wimp who can barely support themselves yet secretly harbors aggressive or even murderous potential. But then, according to FBI profilers, some of the most prolific rapists tend to vibe as somewhat “asexual.” So I suspect these appearance or “vibe” modifications in human predators are a lot like “aggressive mimicry” in nature. From the awkwardly-written Wiki article on it:

Aggressive mimicry is a form of mimicry in which predators, parasites, or parasitoids share similar signals, using a harmless model, allowing them to avoid being correctly identified by their prey or host. Zoologists have repeatedly compared this strategy to a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

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new here old chump
new here old chump
8 months ago

The first time I took my abuser in he had a hernia and was working at a deli and he needed a place to stay and Felt so sorry for him. he would lie in bed next to me, pushing the hernia back in when it popped out and then go work at the deli. His parents were insanely rich, but they never gave him a dime, so he sponged off of me. I fed him, housed him, and he just would give me lectures on why I am white trash, as in “your grandfather had to work for a living.” I was so dumbfounded, but then I’d feel sorry for him. Biggest mistake ever was falling for the self pity. I later married him and- all of it was a mistake. decades, 2 children, financial abuse, endless emotions abuse, sexual humiliation, etc.. etc…. And now- I AM FREE. It’s great.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
8 months ago

I read in a book on ape and human evolution that there’s a type of dwarf male orangutan– not a separate breed but a regular orangutan who, for reasons no one understands, simply doesn’t grow past early adolescence– who will aggressively rape females precisely because female orangutans don’t want to mate with dwarf males. This is unlike regular male orangutans who are pretty laid back and let the females pick and choose.

I thought there was a bit of an analogy there for loser human dudes who, if any woman knew these men were actually perma-manbabies, probably couldn’t get laid much less get anyone to commit to them, end up resorting to deceptive and aggressive control tactics to keep partners entrapped.

It’s like a take on the Peter Pumpkin Eater rhyme. Glad you got out of the pumpkin shell of abuse.

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Disfor
Disfor
8 months ago

SPOT ON!

walkbymyself
walkbymyself
8 months ago

How can I move on while still grieving my miscarriage and failed relationship?”

This is the real question. I don’t have the answer, but this is the correct question. Grieve your losses, but don’t compound your own pain by imagining that he’s “gained” anything.

There will come a time when you understand that living well is the best revenge, but I don’t think you’re ready for that just yet. Know that it will come. Grieve your two losses, and let go of the rest.

FYI_
FYI_
8 months ago
Reply to  walkbymyself

“How can I move on while still grieving my miscarriage and celebrating my escape from an abusive, incompetent man-child?”

Elizabeth Lee
Elizabeth Lee
8 months ago

Oh honey, I’m so sorry you lost your baby. That is heartbreaking. Getting pregnant makes you think you know what the future holds, and losing that baby changes what you expect the rest of your life to look like. I’ve been there, too.

However, I bred with an asshole who told me (after we had five children) that he didn’t understand the concept of empathy and had never felt it. So pretty similar to your asshole.

I know it looks like he’s having a great new life with his great new girlfriend. It’s not true. He’s still a toddler. He probably comes into the bathroom and watches her poop. If they went on a vacation it’s because she did all the work to plan and pay for it.

And also he’s looking for a new girlfriend because the role of primary significant other has been taken over by the side chick. He’s hoping you will become the new side chick because he’s lazy and that would be the easiest choice. Don’t do that. Cut off every means of communication and take some time to recover from this mess. He will eventually get a new side chick. And he will probably breed with one or both of them. I’m so glad you will not be a part of that ugly mess.

ChumpyGirlKC
ChumpyGirlKC
8 months ago

Dear Lord, this man is the vilest of the vile! I feel sorry for OP and even the other women that come along as they will be victims of this sociopath as well. I do feel for her and the miscarriage, as that is traumatic, but like Tracy said, also thankful that a child wasn’t brought into the world from his loin. Can you imagine this POS as a father? Scary stuff.

My first FW not only cheated on me while I was pregnant, but gave me freaking Chlamydia after I had given birth. I had had a rough delivery, so we didn’t have sex again until 8 weeks after, but I was having pelvic pain that I thought was just from the rough delivery, and come to find out, I had an STD! My doc told me ” you need to have a talk with your husband.” He tried to tell me that I had had it before we met and got married (like I wouldn’t notice an STD for 2 years) and I just told him “no way, you gave this to me!” Finally after hours of arguing this simple fact that what he was saying was not possible, he finally admitted it. He said that he did it because I wasn’t having sex with him. Nice…blame it on you miserably, uncomfortable last trimester pregnant wife ( I was having pregnancy complications as well).

Personality disordered people suck.

Disfor
Disfor
8 months ago
Reply to  ChumpyGirlKC

Gosh, that’s terrible! I’m so sorry. Glad you are rid of him!

Unfortunately the “cheating while pregnancy” thing is so common for cheaters: “Predicting sexual infidelity”, Mark A. Whisman, Kristina Coop Gordon, Yael Chatav, Journal of Family Psychology, 2007: “wives’ pregnancy also increased the risk of infidelity for husbands”
“Infidelity and its associated factors: A Systematic Review”, Haseli et al., The Journal of Sexual Medicine, 2019, “pregnancy has been associated with higher rates of infidelity”

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
8 months ago
Reply to  Disfor

I think the entire body of Whisman’s research suggests he’s already made up his mind that infidelity is caused by “marital dissatisfaction.” It’s too bad because, despite grants and authors’ access to good-sized population samples, this study (along with any of the papers he’s coauthored on the subject) doesn’t even explore any link between infidelity and domestic abuse despite the glaring, pink elephant fact that pregnancy has always been statistically associated with higher rates of domestic violence and domestic murder as well. It’s an opportunity lost.

One of the problems in making the foregone conclusion that “marital dissatisfaction” is the prime cause of infidelity is that, if you take cheaters at face value and take their word for why they cheat (which all those dating app “polls” do), the answer will be about the same as if you asked batterers why they batter or coercive controllers why they coercively control: “because the bitch made me do it.” For a little variety, serial killers tend to blame not only victims but their mothers. But more in-depth studies of perpetrators’ behavior and motives uncover far more complex and chilling common denominators and findings (a few of which are that all perpetrators blame victims and not only lie to others but to themselves).

It’s frustrating because, by refusing to even consider or look at any association between DV/coercive control and infidelity, it nearly normalizes cheating– pretends that “just anyone” might be capable of it which is not only incredibly offensive to all the people of both genders who aren’t capable of it but also fails to warn that infidelity is a flaming red flag for escalating abuse.

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FYI_
FYI_
8 months ago

He would be the kind of father who would resent any attention you would give to a child. We know that for sure, since he can’t even let you go the bathroom alone, for chrissakes. That diverts attention from HIM. What a loser.

Disfor
Disfor
8 months ago

Not related to the horrific letter, but…
… The Guardian had a “worst Valentine’s” feature today. Here some choice examples:

1) ‘Is this from you?’“On Valentine’s Day 2021, I was sat with my husband of nearly 20 years – my partner and father of my children – watching David Niven in A Matter of Life and Death. I had just found a heart-shaped crisp in the bowl and was feeding it to him lovingly when his phone pinged. Up came an image of a Valentine’s card and the words: “Is this from you?” He had sent a Valentine’s card to his 23-year-old colleague, a young woman who had not been born when we first got together. The day did not end well. Our divorce will be finalized in the next few months.” Sarah, 54, Lytham St Annes

2) All’s well that ends well“My husband and I were preparing to go out to dinner. While he was in the shower, I went to put a sweet Valentine’s Day card on his desk. On his computer was an email he had just sent to a woman he was having an affair with. When confronted about it, he lied. That was the end of Valentine’s Day, and the end of our marriage.
I am now remarried to a much nicer, younger, more handsome and more nurturing man, so every Valentine’s Day, I want to send my ex a thank you note!” Margaret, 55, California

3) The ex-factor“Ten years ago, me and my then partner were living in separate countries, and I was just about to move to hers. I had the romantic idea of flying over on Valentine’s Day, which fell on a Friday, to surprise her. I waited on the lawn outside the hospital where she worked, dreaming of her delight. She was surprised, but not in a good way. She made some excuse about being tired after her shift, which was understandable. I felt like a douche. Later that day, when her mood was still weird, I pressed her and found out that she had arranged for her ex-girlfriend to come and stay with her that weekend.” Anonymous

While not on cheating, honorable mention for this chap (can a non-cheater still be a FW? Yes, right? Sadly, I’m not even sure she left him):
Nudie noodles“My partner said he was going to cook a meal for me: a starter and a pudding, the works! I arrived home from work around 6.30pm, and was surprised to see the kitchen exactly as I left it. No sign of shopping or cooking. And no sign of him.
I went upstairs and into our bedroom, and he was sat up naked in bed, eating a pot noodle. He said there was one in the kitchen for me. Apparently, on his way to do the shopping, he had met up with a pal, and they spent the day in the pub.”
Rachel, 63, Blackford

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
8 months ago
Reply to  Disfor

I think this kind of news spin deliberately feeds the scarcity mentality and is basically a campaign to dishearten mostly women, lower their expectations and make them desperate for any old douche– precisely what Susan Faludi documented thirty years ago. I suspect it’s ramping up recently because of panic over the plummeting birth rate but also because dah patriarchy loves to lower women’s standards.

But the scarcity mentality also impacts very young people and it seems like Incels and Femcels are attempting to codify it into some gloomy quagmire that, aside from being grossly cynical and self-fulfilling, could be literally dangerous for people who are already depressed or discouraged. It reminds me of trying to trudge through Elliot Rodger’s entire 137 page psychotic manifesto– about how humans should stop having sex at all and should breed only through artificial insemination because it’s so unfair how all the blonde babes only want Chads, etc. His pessimism coupled with misogyny, racism and entitlement wasn’t merely a turnoff to women but to other men as well and contributed terribly to his isolation. We all know how that ended.

I don’t find the Femcel or Pink Pill channels to be much better since they very often use similar so-called data to back up either the defeatist view or peddle these insane looksmaxxing schemes. Who needs patriarchal propaganda when women are subjecting themselves to the bs?

Disfor
Disfor
8 months ago

No idea what Pink Pill is or Femcel or looksmaxxing or Chads are and what any of it all has to do with Sarah, 54, in Lytham St Annes. I suspect too much wine was had though. 😉 Or did you accidentally reply to the wrong post?

And Susan Faludi does not believe that a man is necessary for a woman’s happiness or success. No matter his age preferences or cooking skills. :p

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Disfor
Disfor
8 months ago

I feel like you’re ruminating on “there is no scarcity in great men” a lot. Is that something that affects you in your own dating life and that you are trying to fight? That focus on your father as a good man also indicated that to me. My mother did exactly the same – she suddenly focused strongly on her father, who by that point had passed, as example of a good man. She never had another partner after her divorce (my dad left for a woman closer to my age – but my mom was glad that he was gone) and she was at that point struggling with being alone (she didn’t want him back, but a good man). She’s fine now with being single and loving her live travelling (as probably many of the other one third of women in their 60s who are single, are – happy alone! This compared to one fifth of the men in the same age range BTW, due to remarriage to younger women that figure is lower than for women).
I don’t think saying “women can live better, incl. alone” is patriarchal bullshit. It’s just the “Gain a Life” part.

But you’re also projecting a lot here with no prompt whatsoever. This is literally a list of short cheating stories – like all other letters here, but in shorter. And I did not leave a single cheater story out from The Guardian. Why do you feel so offended (I mean that’s a hell of a long written monologue) by this? Because you are more scared or affected by the fact that the man went after a younger woman (who wasn’t even interested, by the sounds of it)? I mean, did you not have older men approach you all the time when you were in your teens and 20s? I had. Or is it the pot noodle story? One of the four stories is even about a woman cheater!

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Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
8 months ago
Reply to  Disfor

I feel like you’re ruminating on the idea that healthy relationships aren’t possible and that all men are ageistic, misogynistic abusers.

Some are for sure. Too many in fact. But this isn’t an evolutionary fait accompli.

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Imtired
Imtired
8 months ago

Yes its a good point. FW often say the truth cloaked in a joke or woe is me. Once I understood this, I recognized it immediately. My mom did this as well. She would say well its great you are a doctor because it makes me look good to my friends, haha! Years later I understood it wasnt a joke. She meant it. Not happy for me or proud. I just made her look better to friends. The disordered all do and say similar things. Once you wise up to it you see their mental illness. Whats that adage? Everyone supports mental illness until their behavior becomes destructive towards you

Archer
Archer
8 months ago

It hurt to read this. My FW made similar comments about his mother who by the way abandoned me and kids too after D-day. Similar comments too blaming me for being unsupportive. Cement block worth FW indeed. Narcissistic sociopath

OHFFS
OHFFS
8 months ago

This guy is a monstrous sadist. Bragging to his pregnant partner about taking his schmoopie on the holiday he never took her on? That is evil. CL is right- he is a sociopath. This is the kind of person one should be afraid of. He has no emotions for anyone, he is pathologically invasive towards a partner’s privacy and he likes to be cruel. That is a dangerous combination. There is no way he is having a happy, healthy relationship with anyone. Ever.

Ultimate Chump, please, for your own safety as well as peace of mind, stay no contact with this squirrel forever. When you’ve healed more, you’ll be thankful that OW is going to be the recipient of his abuse rather than you. I believe this is the kind of man who could kill his partner if he gets angry enough because she doesn’t give him his way. He fits the profile.

BastilleDDay
BastilleDDay
8 months ago

Floppy’s gnawed carpet 🤣
Ahh Floppy, I knew him well.