Rebecca Grossman Cheating Wife and Murderer

Rebecca Grossman cheating

Rebecca Grossman, socialite, cheating wife, and convicted murderer was busted this week for enlisting her family to help her commit more crimes.

An example of FWs never change?

Anyone been following the saga of cheating wife and apparent flaming sociopath Rebecca Grossman in Los Angeles? She was convicted in February 2024 of two counts of second-degree murder in a 2020 hit-and-run crash that killed brothers, Jacob (8) and Mark Iskander (11). The little boys were crossing the street with their mother, when Grossman was drunk driving, chasing her affair partner (“boyfriend”) ex-MLB player Scott Erickson on a high speed joyride through a suburb. Because that’s the kind of crazy hijinks exuberant acts of defiance Schmoopies get up to .

An alert chump asks:

Dear Chump Lady

I’ve been following this story, and I think it illustrates some of the horrifying ways cheaters’ character deficits can manifest outside of their cheating (like, say, speeding through a crosswalk and killing two children, being convicted, and then getting your daughter and your chump husband to help you engage in witness and jury tampering).

You mean to say sociopaths don’t get character transplants? The batshit crazy entitlement seems pretty baked in, I agree. Rebecca Grossman appears oblivious to consequences, as there were none for her cheating.

Standing for marriage?

In a case that should be a testimonial for every Reconciliation Industrial Complex outlet, Rebecca’s chump husband, Dr. Peter Grossman, has stood by her. Perhaps murder and a 34-year jail sentence has made their marriage stronger? Esther Perel get on this! The doctor is huffing some kind of prescription-only hopium, because not only did he put up the $2 million bond to keep his cheating wife out of the clink for years, he agreed to crime for her this week.

Dr. Peter Grossman, Rebecca Grossman’s husband, then interjects: “Everything you want us to put out, honey, let us know. We’re going to put it all out.”

The LA Times reports (but I’m linking to a Fox News affiliate that’s not paywalled):

According to the LA Times report written by Richard Winton, prosecutors claim the 60-year-old woman is encouraging “illegal conduct and her team attempted to tamper with jurors” from the double-murder trial.

Grossman allegedly told her daughter, Alexis, to make a deputy body camera video go to public, which was previously sealed by a judge, and “direct another person to talk to the judge about a new trial,” the LA Times report reads.

Grossman allegedly encouraged tracking down witnesses to get them to say their testimony was directed, LA Times reports.

And if that wasn’t ghoulish enough, she allegedly also wrote letters to the dead children’s mother. It won’t surprise any chump who’s ever had their sorry-not-sorry cheater letter fed to the Universal Bullshit Translator, but Rebecca is broken. And this is hard on her too. Harder really.

THEY ARE NOT ORIGINAL.

Another play from the cheater’s handbook and RIC instruction manual? It’s Schmoopie’s fault. If it weren’t for that wily seducer Scott Erickson, she wouldn’t be in this mess. Admittedly, he got off lightly for drunk driving. He had to make a public service announcement and she got 34 years. But her Hail Mary plays from jail apparently are to convince authorities that Erickson is to blame.

So, let’s review all the ways Rebecca Grossman is your average, cheating FW.

  • It’s someone else’s fault.
  • Everyone must show fealty to Rebecca.
  • Her family is an extension of her.
  • Batshit crazy entitlement is second nature.
  • Chumps can clean up the mess.
  • Victims of fuckwittery need to understand that this is hard on Rebecca. No, worse, really.
  • Here’s a half-assed apology that’s not an apology.

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Doingme1
Doingme1
25 days ago

She has no zero remorse fir killing two children. She got bail and continued with her life as if nothing happened.

Cam
Cam
25 days ago
Reply to  Doingme1

My heart breaks for the parents. I’d do something crazy if my children’s killer had the audacity to write me that letter.

Mehitable
Mehitable
25 days ago
Reply to  Cam

I might do the same and I would not blame anyone who did. That is such an overwhelming and heartless provocation.

JeffWashington
JeffWashington
25 days ago
Reply to  Doingme1

And her chump posted it and is on the hook if she skips town! I wonder when he’ll start posting here-before or after he realizes he lost “2 comma” money on her. Else-is California one of those states where you can auto no-fault divorce if they are incarcerated? I know that’s how it works around here with child custody…

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
25 days ago
Reply to  JeffWashington

I’m not thoroughly convinced the guy is a chump in the purest sense at this point since he showed willingness to break the law on behalf of a child killer. I’m wondering if breaking the law comes particularly easy to him and he’s only backing her up because she has dirt on him as well, mutually-assured-destruction style. It would have to be some serious dirt.

Then again maybe the guy has rock bottom self esteem and his wife has some kind of Svengali-like sway over him. It seems a bit surprising in a plastic surgeon who aren’t generally known for their wallflower personae but stranger things have happened.

justkate
justkate
24 days ago

They were separated, but living in the same house. Both were dating other people. I don’t think he’s a chump in the true sense of the word.

Velvet Hammer
Velvet Hammer
25 days ago

Chumps aren’t the problem.

The relationship isn’t the problem.

Cheating isn’t even the problem, IMHO. It’s a symptom of the problem, which is character rot. Cheating is an indicator light on the dashboard of the cheater signaling something systemic is very wrong with the engine, the electrical, the chassis, the tires, the whole car.

In my own case, Traitor Ex, Douchebag McGee and his “kind” “solemate” opened and are operating an illicit Asian massage parlor and escort service. Recently, after officers from the local police department and code enforcement stopped by to say hello, they got busy scrubbing their advertising online (very obviously selling sex and using images of very young looking girls) and posting
phony Google reviews they wrote themselves.

Other than cooperating with all the various law enforcement agencies involved in the case, my response is from Napoleon’s playbook, which is “never interfere when your enemy is making a mistake.”

Wrong choices, which is the hard-wired decision-making system of cheaters and side pieces, accumulate and result in undesirable consequences, despite appearances. Two and two will always make four, not whatever number the cheaters want. You can’t see grass growing and you can’t always see the adversity the cheaters experience, but it’s there. Being phony and fake and deceptive is their area of expertise, and that skill goes into overdrive after the truth of who they are comes out. Living lies denies you access to living life at its best no matter what the liars think.

Heed the warning light on the dashboard, pull over and jump out of the car. The ride through life is much better if you’re not in a clown car that belongs in a junkyard.

❤️

Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
24 days ago
Reply to  Velvet Hammer

“Wrong choices.” Right as always, Velvet Hammer.

Ka-chump
Ka-chump
25 days ago
Reply to  Velvet Hammer

As gross as your x and ow crimes are at face level, I bet it gets even darker when you turn over that rock. These types are twisted. You bet they’re busy grooming and trafficking those young girls on their pics, no matter if they’re of legal age or not. 🤮🤮🤮

I read about that recent bust in Mass. and the list of clients’ professions = wealthy and powerful, is why these cases take forever to investigate, then just fizzle away…

One last time
One last time
25 days ago
Reply to  Velvet Hammer

Yes, “Character Rot” is the perfect description. Absolutely no remorse for their actions, just excusing it as a mistake or lapse in judgement.

Mehitable
Mehitable
25 days ago
Reply to  Velvet Hammer

There are some cheaters who make a genuine mistake in a time of stress or hardship. and it might be a one and done that some spouses are able to forgive. BUT….so many are people like Mrs. Grossman – on a less spectacular level – who just live lives of never coloring between society’s lines. They color any damn place they want to and they do it on NON-SEXUAL issues too. These are general character problems, not just about sex. It’s about ENTITLEMENT and the sense that they are above and beyond the rules and restrictions the rest of us live by and enforce. When you see many cheaters and certainly all those who have multiple affairs, these are disordered, entitled people who lie, cheat, steal and have moral blindness in a variety of areas. They are also usually controlling and abusive and their relationships are transactional. Sex is the most graphic area where this is played out because we all have such a strong, instinctive response to sex rather than more boring topics of say, finance, but you’ll find the same thinking and behavior in OTHER areas of their lives. These are also the same people who will steal from work, drive drunk, cheat on taxes, etc., if they think they can get away with it. And then they’ll say….EVERYBODY DOES IT!

Cam
Cam
25 days ago
Reply to  Velvet Hammer

I remember your story. I hope these people get the book thrown at them.

Velvet Hammer
Velvet Hammer
25 days ago
Reply to  Cam

The investigation is still open as far as I know. The wheels of Justice turn slowly and there’s no guarantee of consequences. But there are always life consequences even without time behind bars. Living as clean as you possibly can puts you on a beautiful street in the sunlight of the Spirit with peace of mind and a clear conscience as your next door neighbors, and feels way better than acting like trash and living like you belong in a dumpster.

Cam
Cam
25 days ago
Reply to  Velvet Hammer

Hear hear!

Kb22
Kb22
25 days ago
Reply to  Velvet Hammer

“Character Rot”. Perfect label for what is far too prevalent in society.

Chumped in KC
Chumped in KC
25 days ago
Reply to  Velvet Hammer

“Character rot”! Those two words sum up it up perfectly for people like our cheaters (and the horrible woman in this post), perfectly. As Tracy always says…trust that they suck!

Shadow
Shadow
25 days ago

God love those 2 boys and their mother, she must be devastated and all that one can think of is herself!
Anyway, I should imagine attempting to interfere with witnesses is a crime where she lives so I hope that it just gets added to her list of offences and that she goes down, for a very, very long time!
She hasn’t got a nice smile,has she? It looks more like a demonic leer to me!

Cam
Cam
25 days ago
Reply to  Shadow

Apparently there was a 3rd brother (the youngest). Poor kid lost both his older brothers. I can’t imagine what this poor family is going through. I hope they have good people supporting them.

Shadow
Shadow
24 days ago
Reply to  Cam

I hope so too. It’s something that the poor mother has one child surviving to focus on though, to keep her going. If all her children had been killed it would be totally unbearable for her!
I used to wonder how on Earth little Jamie Bulger’s mother kept going but she had other children and she had to really, for them.
The poor boy will be broken-hearted too though! It’s a catastrophe and my heart goes out to them!

justkate
justkate
24 days ago
Reply to  Cam

There is a third brother and a toddler sister. My grandson went to school with the older boy who was killed.

Cam
Cam
24 days ago
Reply to  justkate

I’m so sorry. How’s your grandson doing? Hope he’s well.

Mehitable
Mehitable
25 days ago
Reply to  Shadow

She does look really evil to me, like a female version of Ted Bundy. If I had killed those kids I would be devastated for the rest of my life, I don’t even know what I’d do to myself or how I could possibly make up for this but I’d spend the rest of my life trying. I can’t even imagine trying to “get away with it”. Psychotic.

Shadow
Shadow
24 days ago
Reply to  Mehitable

Same here, if I killed anyone because I was drunk behind the wheel, I’d never get over it and don’t think I would ever forgive myself.
That Grossman one doesn’t give a toss though by the looks of it!

Mehitable
Mehitable
24 days ago
Reply to  Shadow

They really don’t give a shit. It’s not just Rebecca, it’s her husband too and anyone else who supports them. My husband had a couple of driving experiences where kids ran out in front of the car – the classic chasing the ball thing – and he narrowly missed them. He has never forgotten this and it was perhaps the most horrific thing he’s ever experienced. Hitting anyone is terrible but the idea of hitting a kid, that doesn’t go away. If he’d actually done it, he might have done away with himself.The Grossmans truly are gross.

Josh McDowell
Josh McDowell
25 days ago

Maybe the disordered have always had someone cover up their mistakes, they rely on people pleasers, parents, etc. Sets a pattern of expectations knowing someone will be around to pick up the pieces.

Ka-chump
Ka-chump
25 days ago
Reply to  Josh McDowell

Yes, and why I feel little hope for society. The ‘good’ people always fall for the charming sociopaths, defend them to the hilt, and militantly fight and ruin the victims on their behalf.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
25 days ago
Reply to  Ka-chump

Social science researcher Stanley Milgram defined those so-called “good” people as “agentic.” I think his coinage is really apt, as in “agents/servants of evil.”

Milgram’s shock experiments were intended to study a question that had haunted him and many other people– why so many regular Europeans acted either as proxy collaborators or silent bystanders to Nazi atrocities. It reminds me of what one eloquent death camp survivor said at the Nuremberg trials, that “Ten percent of people are always merciful; ten percent of people are always cruel. And the remaining eighty percent can go either way.”

From experience, I’ve really come to hate the people who “go either way” almost more than direct perpetrators. I don’t think most of what perps do would even be possible without their handmaidens, apologists and “flying monkeys.” Consequently, in recent years my whole life has really become about making sure my children and I are surrounded exclusively by that “merciful ten percent.’ In that sense I’ve become an ethical snob. So far it’s really worked out.

Mehitable
Mehitable
24 days ago

IIRC, Christ had some really choice words for the kind of fence sitters who could go either way…..if you are lukewarm I will spit you out of my mouth. I feel the same way.

Cam
Cam
25 days ago
Reply to  Josh McDowell

The disordered always have idiots willing to do their bidding.

One of my fuckwits had a harem of enablers he treated like shit. They TOLD me this! They TOLD me he was an asshole and that they hated him. Yet they still jumped to his beat and enabled him for years. It was baffling.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
25 days ago
Reply to  Cam

They jumped to do his bidding as a reflection of how deep-down dangerous he was. It could be that you’re lucky to be alive.

Cam
Cam
25 days ago

Nah, he wasn’t dangerous like that. His enablers were just weak, cowardly losers who enjoyed punching down on someone lower on the totem pole than they were. Co-abusers in a nutshell.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
25 days ago
Reply to  Cam

Yikes, considering what he did to you, if he isn’t dead yet, I have a feeling it remains to be seen whether he’s capable of, say, torture and murder.

When I trained as an advocate for DV survivors, I remember being very chilled by social science profiles of serial rapists that depicted them as exuding a kind of weak, asexual “milquetoast” persona as a strategy in avoiding detection. So whenever a domestic abuse survivor describes their abuser as “weak,” my antennae go nuts.

Cam
Cam
25 days ago

I think you’re confusing me with someone else. Respectfully, you don’t know the experience I had or the abuser I’m talking about as I’ve never discussed him here before.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
24 days ago
Reply to  Cam

You’re probably right– many apologies. The stories of betrayal and abuse do tend to blend together after awhile. But I don’t think that has to do with chumps being unoriginal in telling their stories or even lack of attention from fellow chumps. It’s that abusers are all pretty gray and unoriginal.

Mehitable
Mehitable
25 days ago
Reply to  Cam

Some people like to cede control of their lives over to someone else because then they don’t have to make decisions or take responsibility or blame. It literally is someone else’s fault because they just blame that person. So if things go well, it’s gravy for them, if things go badly, it’s that person’s fault, if they get hurt, well….that’s the price of admission.

OHFFS
OHFFS
25 days ago
Reply to  Mehitable

Truth.

Chumped in KC
Chumped in KC
25 days ago
Reply to  Josh McDowell

They call them flying monkeys. People that do narcissists bidding and make excuses for them, cover up, enable, etc.

susie lee
susie lee
25 days ago

I had not followed this. So much crazy.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
25 days ago

There should be a mathematical formula for DARVO in which “y” represents the relative innocence/generally perceived blamelessness of a victim or victims which would factorize x– a rating of actual harm done to victims– to establish b, the “publicly perceived responsibility/blame” of the offender. Then b cubed would predict the intensity of hysterical blameshifting condemnation the offender in question will then heap upon an adult patsy, particularly other adults who are accusing the offender, which relates to something called “neutralization” (or “reduction of self punishment”) in criminology.

I’ve forgotten more than I ever learned about factorization and am not sure how to correctly write the formula so any math geeks wanna pitch in? I’m sure this is totally wrong: x(y) = b so b3 = n?

In short, if you want to be subjected to a DARVO explosion so enormous that it’s visible from space, point out to any average FW that, through misconduct or irresponsibility, they endangered or harmed children– their own or anyone else’s. They will melt down into a full psychotic break.

I think it’s obviously because children– being generally innocent and powerless– are mostly too difficult to reverse blame on which is the main FW alibi in all situations where they harm other adults. That principle kind of goes out the window with child molesters who will always improbably find a way to blame even the smallest children for “causing” the abuse or harm. But for most garden variety abusers, blameshifting onto children doesn’t really work like it does when blameshifting onto adults.

In the public mind, it’s always at least conceivable that another adult might have done something wrong or bad that instigated a FW to do something harmful. Even if the blameshift is a total fabrication, it will still cause bystanders to pause. But blaming a child for being harmed or endangered tends not to play well to “the crowd” which is ultimately where FWs are directing most of their image management. So FWs will go to level 5 of something called “neutralization” or “guilt reduction” strategies, which is to “condemn the condemners.” By this token, if you’re the one who pointed out a FW’s misconduct, they must invent a greater crime that you committed that they think will outshine and comparatively “neutralize” their own misdeed. If their misconduct harmed a child, this effect will be cranked up to outrageous levels. You’ll be falsely accused of capital crimes or basically being Satan incarnate.

Mehitable
Mehitable
25 days ago

Well….that 3 year old was just showing too damn much leg.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
25 days ago
Reply to  Mehitable

Agggghhhhhh, shriek!!

Ka-chump
Ka-chump
25 days ago

This totally makes sense to me. Not just the narc criminal but their flying monkeys go into psychotic darvo hysterics on the accuser when accuser dares to expose their heinous crimes against the kids. assuming you meant b=xy, therefore n=b~3 or n=(xy)~3. or n=(xy)(xy)(xy)

In my case XFW snake ditched me at the hardest time of my life & internationally abducted my infant kids; and then spent the next 17 years convincing his flying monkeys including some in my family, that I’m really just inexplicably crazy and evil, am trying to ruin him and harm the kids etc etc. Every bystander saw plainly and said what a horrid jerk he is; yet a couple of my narc family members found some totally unrelated errors of mine to condemn me and gang up with him against me…because they had fallen under the spell of XFW, they just needed me to be super bad and nuts to justify their continued socialization with XFW and resume their habitual abuse of me. Happily they’re all safely out of my orbit, my kids are grown and I live a peaceful narc-free life.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
25 days ago
Reply to  Ka-chump

Ka-chump–

Thank you for formulas. It’s obviously more than math to you– you lived it. That story is harrowing. So glad you prevailed and managed to recue your children.

Mehitable
Mehitable
25 days ago
Reply to  Ka-chump

I think a lot of people just line up to wherever they think the “power” is.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
25 days ago
Reply to  Mehitable

Many people reflexively “grovel for amnesty” at the feet of the loudest monkey in the room. The impulse to do this probably goes back to our ape roots where regular chimp-like members of the troop lived or died at the whim of violent alphas. Back in the day (or among modern chimps), the ability to reflexively grovel meant life or death. But having evolved for tens of thousands of years with the capacity for self-awareness, humans have a choice of whether to stoop to their basest monkey impulses or apply a little evolved critical thinking and make better long-range choices. In other words, our ape roots/animal nature/what-comes-naturally are not excuses for craven cowardice. That’s why, in most modern human societies, rape, infanticide and cannibalism aren’t legal (despite being popular pastimes of our ape ancestors).

Mehitable
Mehitable
24 days ago

Wow, that is such an astute, informed comment! I’m always impressed by how much you’ve learned and absorbed and how you’re able to apply this info to our regular lives. Yes, we are more naked apes than we realize. I think this kind of behavior extends to other animals too – wolves and dogs come to mind to me, that the pack behavior involves the alpha at the top and the other dogs have to grovel or fight for that spot. Maybe this is also the nature of the pecking order of chickens. We have to be aware of our animal nature and always try to exceed it to reach our “angel” nature.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
24 days ago
Reply to  Mehitable

Thanks for describing my info dumps so kindly rather than how FW might have, lol. At the height of his DARVO hysteria, he tried to claim my mulling over social theories was a form of “psychological abuse.” I think I started laughing and said that would make his endless crypto mansplains attempted psychic murder.

Yes, personally I think some of the traits present in our “animal natures,” rather than being brought out and embraced, should probably be left buried under five tons of evolutionary rubble. We should be familiar enough with the negative parts of that nature to, as you argue, recognize it in ourselves and counteract it. But, other than reducing modern industrial chemical exposure and avoiding modern processed food, I think some of the “get back to nature” campaigns of the trad-alpha manophere, cheating apologists and social Darwinists are completely insane.

I’ve noticed cheating apologists (including Perel) trying squirm around the glaring problem that a “return to animal nature” for humans would be pretty nasty and Clockwork Orange by making the argument that we’re more closely related to groovy bonobos than we are rapey, warring, cannibalistic chimps. But it’s a hack claim and not supported by either carbon dating or one glimpse at human history. Bonobos never go to war. Bonobos have complete gender parity. Our history would be completely and utterly different if that was the template of our evolution so it simply can’t be the template. At most it could be a hoped-for goal of conscious long term social engineering (putting more women in power generally reduced societal violence and war). But it would be an ongoing effort for every generation and would never “come naturally.”

We may have evolved differently from chimps in a lot of ways like brain size, language and having more of a bent for monogamy (at least hypocritically preferring it in mates). But basically we’re chimps with smart phones. So I say keep that shit tamped down and repressed! Embrace being deeply conflicted creatures!

JeffWashington
JeffWashington
25 days ago

That Dark Triad Personality thing must be where accountability goes to die. Read this post backwards-it’s the FW playbook through and through-and this BEFORE she killed two people(children no less).

This is Champion-Tier Fuckwittery! Her “exuberant act of defiance” has elevated to “child murder.”

Of course she is going to fight the charges tooth and nail-she’s a fuckwit! That and well, she’s not lasting 34 years in prison(“short eyes” not withstanding.)

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
25 days ago
Reply to  JeffWashington

Child endangerment seems to be a specialization of FWs. Consider the fact that certain life-threatening STDs that FWs risk contracting in the course of their bonky adventures aren’t always limited to sexual transmission. Basically they risk infecting not only their partners but their children with things like syphilis and cancerous strains of HPV, etc. That’s on top of the radiating emotional trauma that FWittery typically causes in families, including children.

ChumpDchump
ChumpDchump
25 days ago
Reply to  JeffWashington

Yup, and that’s why there are prisons. At some point, a complete lack of accountability means that society has to pay money to stick a person in a cage so that they don’t harm other people. All the prisoners in Shawshank are innocent!

JeffWashington
JeffWashington
25 days ago
Reply to  ChumpDchump

And being a fuckwit, like Shawshank, in the immortal words of Malcom Tucker is “a lot more tunneling through shit and no fucking redemption”

Mehitable
Mehitable
25 days ago
Reply to  ChumpDchump

It’s either that or kill them or maybe cut off an arm or leg to mark them publicly or make it harder for them to commit crimes. Obviously we don’t want to do that but some people just need to be separated from the general public for our good, sometimes for life. It is what it is.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
25 days ago
Reply to  Mehitable

I think that, sort of like busting Al Capone for tax fraud, coercive control legislation might be the answer to holding FWs to account in a legal and civil sense. In a sense it might be slightly disappointing that it’s not possible to bust FWs for their main offense (adultery) like it wasn’t logistically possible to bust Capone for serial murder. But it’s something. I’m also hopeful about the CA case where a chump was able to sue a Schmoopie for all the gifts, amenities and cash that a FW wasted family assets on.

Cam
Cam
25 days ago

Not all cheaters are criminals, obviously, but sooooo many criminals turn out to be cheaters as well. Cheating is a symptom of entitlement, dishonesty, and disregard for others. It enrages me that anyone still makes excuses for cheating and doesn’t see it as the glaring red flag of a dangerous person.

We’ve talked about the Shanann Watts case quite a bit here, but also check out the Abby Choi case (warning, it’s gruesome). She was a famous model in Hong Kong, and her ex-husband and his entire family murdered her to get her money. Apparently it was the ex-father-in-law’s idea.

Surprise surprise, turns out the entire family are criminals with long histories of infidelity and financial fraud.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
25 days ago
Reply to  Cam

The Abbie Choi case kind of illustrates everything I ever learned about domestic murder. Her ex and in-laws weren’t satisfied in merely dumping her. They weren’t satisfied in merely killing her. They had to decapitate and cook her.

It went beyond hate into wanting to own and maybe symbolically consume a human being. It reminds me of (notorious domestic abuser) Axl Rose’s lyrics, “I used to love her, ooh, yeah, but I had to kill her/ I knew I’d miss her, so I had to keep her/She’s buried right in my backyard, whoa, yeah/ Ooh, yeah.”

Abusers can never let go of territorial control even when the victim no longer provides satisfactory services. Once “owned,” always “owned.”

In light of this, you might find it interesting to read up on proposed and existing coercive control laws that are catching on gradually from country to country.

I remember something that a domestic violence advocate said along the lines of, “Not all criminals are domestic abusers but all domestic abusers are criminals.” Consider the idea that humanity has not quite evolved to recognizing the rank “criminality” involved in brutally enforcing one-sided monogamy through all sorts of coercive and controlling strategies. Then consider that that social consciousness that these coercive and controlling behaviors might eventually be viewed as universally criminal.

Mehitable
Mehitable
25 days ago
Reply to  Cam

All these things tend to go together because…..general lack of morals, empathy, sense of entitlement….some people are just criminals and it tends to run in families from what I’ve seen. it’s probably in the DNA.

Cam
Cam
25 days ago
Reply to  Mehitable

There’s definitely been studies showing psychopathy can be inherited.

Mehitable
Mehitable
25 days ago

This brings up a number of thoughts for me. The first is that I would like to see drunk drivers punished SEVERELY especially if they hurt or kill someone. Too often they get light sentences – or NO sentences especially if they have any connections. This is something our society should punish severely as a matter of routine. I can’t imagine being the mother of those two children who were murdered as clearly as if someone took a gun to them. A car can be just a large weapon in the hands of a drunk or sociopath.

As for Rebecca Grossman, her case shows to me, once again, that cheaters are not simply people who want to have a sneaky sex affair with some Schmoopie….there’s a lot of other really negative characteristics that go into FWs. They don’t just lie about affairs, they lie about money, about time, about responsibilities, about social obligations – they lie with breath taking lack of concern for facts or plausibility….because they want to and they can. They rely on aggressiveness and trust from others to get it over. Many of them are involved in theft of various kinds, theft of marital assets to support affairs being common. They abuse time, take from family obligations and when caught in lies and wrong doing, they will weave any kind of web of bullshittery to get them out of consequences and to blame on others, and they enlist the help of others to do this. IT’S NOT JUST ABOUT THE AFFAIR SEX – THIS IS A GENERAL CHARACTER PROBLEM THAT SHOWS ITSELF IN DIFFERENT WAYS.

As for Chump Grossman….he sounds like a captive cultist frankly….or someone who is also as entitled in his way as his wife is….he thinks that she should be able to get away with murder and he would think the same thing about himself or his own children or relatives or perhaps friends because….he’s just part of that class that thinks he so much more important than everyone else. I think what he’s showing is a class mentality of circling the wagons – much of America’s problems are based on hidden issues of class that we do not acknowledge. The Grossmans think they are better than everyone else and that ordinary laws should not apply to them….maybe they think they could just buy everyone off or just issue fake apologies or letters and we let them off the hook. All too often this IS what happens.

Waitedfartoolong
Waitedfartoolong
25 days ago
Reply to  Mehitable

The class factor expressed through white male upper class privilege, A sort of unwelcome relic from feudal “droits de Seigneur” where the Norman ruling class gave themselves the power and right to take the first night of sex with a newly married peasant girl, still haunts our culture. My wife’s AP was one such patrician asshole who cheated on his old money patrician wife and family and thought nothing of the devastation he created in other peoples lives. Entitlement on steroids!

Daughterofachump
Daughterofachump
24 days ago

There’s some doubt as to whether the “droit de Seigneur” was a real thing. See the article on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_du_seigneur

Which doesn’t mean your point is invalid.

ladylawyer
ladylawyer
25 days ago

Friends, in this particular case, can we keep our energy and hearts and words focused on the ONLY woman who matters – the grieving mother of two murdered children? No one else here deserves a moment of our time or attention.

ChumpNoMore
ChumpNoMore
25 days ago
Reply to  ladylawyer

Indeed

2xchump
2xchump
25 days ago

Same thing as making arsenic smoothies for your Chump every day to keep her healthy. It’s a different chapter in the same lying, arrogant, entitled and disturbing playbook. Just the degree.

Mehitable
Mehitable
25 days ago

I don’t want to just go by superficials but she is REALLY creepy looking.

OHFFS
OHFFS
25 days ago

If her husband agreed to commit crimes for her, he’s not a chump. He’s a scumbag too.

SortofOverIt
SortofOverIt
25 days ago
Reply to  OHFFS

I agree. But I also wonder if it’s not about him CARING what happens to her at all, but rather worrying about HIS finances? I’m no lawyer, but if she doesn’t get off, a civil case could be next and it could take everything they own as a couple, maybe? (Maybe that can happen either way)

OHFFS
OHFFS
25 days ago
Reply to  SortofOverIt

Good point.

Cam
Cam
25 days ago
Reply to  OHFFS

Ding ding ding.

susie lee
susie lee
25 days ago
Reply to  OHFFS

Exactly

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
25 days ago

The way Grossman’s clothes and demeanor radically shifted from bimbo Aspen chic to “mousey” and bespectacled school marm reminds me of the theme in Chicago where defense attorney Billy Flynn reinvents killer-FW Roxie Hart as a convent girl. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9dFKRZ8Eb

justkate
justkate
24 days ago

This happened in the city adjacent to mine. My grandson attended the same school as the boys, and the older one was in his class. The parents are lovely people, and this has been devastating to them, their extended family, and the community.

Rebecca Grossman is in total denial about her culpability in these murders, and is surrounded with flying monkeys, the foremost of which are her husband and 18 year old daughter. After the guilty verdict had been read, her daughter looked at the Iskander family and yelled “How could you do this!” She is cut from the same cloth as her mother.

Rebecca Grossman is the poster child for wealthy entitlement and privilege. She truly believes that she is above the law and has done no wrong. As my dad used to say, “It must be dark in there” (with her head firmly planted up her arse)

I hope that her latest transgressions are seen by the judge for exactly what they are, manipulation and illegal maneuvering to use her influence, money, and power to change a verdict decided on by a legally impanelled jury.

She’s a textbook narcissist and I hope she has her phone and visiting privileges revoked at this Friday’s hearing, along with being forbidden to contact the Iskander family.

The community is also praying that she receives the maximum at her sentencing hearing, which is on April 10th.