Should I Dump My Partner Who Sexted a Teenager?

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She discovered her partner sexted a 16-year-old acquaintance. Their friend group ghosted him as a result. She thought he was a good guy, but this is a dealbreaker, right?

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Dear Chump Lady,

After a traumatic divorce, I spent 10 years on my own rebuilding. Career wise I’ve done well and earn a decent salary and managed to progress and I now own my own home and car. At age 52 I’m proud of that! 

I went skiing just under 3 years ago and I bumped into a guy who I’ve kind of known for 30 years. He was part of my brother’s friendship group and known as a “good guy” by everyone. We struck up a good rapport and flirted a bit and it was fun.

At the end of the holiday we had a kiss and afterwards he was quite persistent in pursuing me.

Having been cheated on before, I was very reluctant to get involved and not sure about whether I was attracted to him. Plus, we come from quite different backgrounds educationally. But he persisted and I agreed to go out with him. 

After the usual bumpy arguments and settling, we developed a strong and mutually supportive relationship and I grew to love him very much, thinking I’d hit the jackpot with a kind, thoughtful and considerate guy. 

I was introduced to some of his longstanding circle of friends whom he has known for 30 odd years too and we got on well. He set up a WhatsApp group where there was quite a lot of craic and social catch ups organised.

There was clearly a love for him as a decent man with good moral values.

One couple in the group have a 16-year-old daughter and she and my partner were clearly very fond of each other. Then just before Christmas, the group was due to go to a party. We planned to go, but weather was terrible and my partner said he didn’t think we should make the 50-minute drive to attend because of it. He wasn’t bothered anyway so we didn’t go. 

I noticed that my partner had no interest in being in touch with his friends and the WhatsApp group had died the death. I asked him what had happened and was worried I’d done something to upset one of them group. 

Fast forward to the present and I’ve been faced with my 84-year-old dad falling and breaking his hip helping my alcoholic mother to the bathroom. Bearing in mind he has advanced prostate cancer, he has come back home and has not been good at all. He told me he wanted to essentially die, so very difficult times. 

I had a missed call from one my partner’s friends, the mum of the 16-year-old daughter.

I told my partner about this, to check the number was from her and not someone else, since we’re not really in touch directly and I didn’t recognise it. Then, I noticed that everyone had left the WhatsApp group except one couple. I asked him why she was calling out of the blue and he said to ignore her. 

Then as I was visiting my parents today, I spoke to the mum of the 16 year-old girl. She told me that my partner had sexted her daughter whilst we were on holiday in November last year and before the Christmas party.

She said that my partner had asked her daughter to send him a picture of her in her school uniform. And that he’d prefer to see underneath and to “be naughty.” In other words asking her for nude pictures. 

I’m shocked and very, very upset by this.

Apparently, he tried to delete the texts but the 16 year old already had a screen shot and told her mum. The whole friendship group are apparently all very upset. When the mum confronted him, he admitted it was stupid and he shouldn’t have sent it. But he has since said nothing. 

I have not spoken to him yet. But let him know via text that I am aware of what he has done. His immediate reaction was “I told you not call her” — i.e., it is my fault for finding this out! The mum told me because she said my text wishing her husband happy birthday was a clear indication I didn’t know and she felt I ought to be made aware. 

It’s very distressing. I am dealing with the fact my beloved dad is dying and my mum is struggling. That alone is distressing. My brother and I have many things to do to support them. I’m trying to juggle this with work, so the timing couldn’t be worse. 

I thought he was a profoundly decent guy.

After a very negative past with men, I felt I’d found someone really reciprocal and kind. He’s said he misses me, but has not apologised yet and that troubles me enormously. I may give him a proper opportunity to explain, but he’s already saying there are two sides to the story.

Until now, he’s shown good character. He is also divorced, but has refused to open up about what happened with his ex wife, so maybe that’s a red flag too. I don’t know anymore. As much as I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, this is not good at all. 

I’d appreciate your help to figure out this shock. But it feels like this is worse than basic cheating since she is a kid, he’s tried to cover it, the whole friendship group of 30 years are all shocked and he’s betrayed us all. And by asking for essentially nude pictures — where was this leading and why am I not enough? Or am I over dramatising this, as he only asked for a picture? We had a strong sex life and I’m still an attractive, competent and fun person. I feel very, very let down, overwhelmed and very shocked. 

Please can you let me know what you think? 

Lotusblossum

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Dear Lotusblossum,

You’re not over-dramatizing this. Your partner sexted an underage girl. I think you’re in shock and you know what you need to do. You just want me to wave my magic Chump Lady wand and permit you to dump him. SHAZAM!

Dump him!

There’s never a good day for a D-Day or a reckoning. We always have lives. It’s always painful and often this shit happens when we’re at our most vulnerable. Read the archives here — you’ve got your 7 months pregnant D-days, your cancer D-days, your financially fucked D-days. Lotusblossom, you’ve got work and aging parents. Exhaustion, while understandable, is no reason to postpone the inevitable.

In fact, if you do not immediately dump him, you’re inviting more exhaustion into your life. Exhaustion from sticking your head in his mindfuck blender. (What’s he going to say? It’s EXACTLY WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.) Exhaustion from demanding apologies that never come. Exhaustion from the hypervigilance of being around a demonstrably unsafe person.

No, much better to move towards immediate self-protection and dump this creep.

I’m sorry he wasn’t who you hoped he’d be.

I’m sorry he wasn’t who he presented himself to be — a decent, caring man. With long-standing friendships. This is the horror of the double life and why betrayal continues to shock and fascinate (those fortunate enough not to experience it). We feel like dupes. You can only know as much of a person as they’ll reveal. And sadly, there are way, way too many FWs out there with secret sexual basements.

Inevitably, on a post like this with a man over 50, someone is going to mention early onset dementia. One of the signs, particularly of Alzheimer’s disease, is being sexually inappropriate. (You still should dump him, even if he has an illness. Whatever the cause, he’s not a safe partner.)

But I think he’s a run-of-the-mill FW. Because his manipulation game is on point. And I don’t believe you can simultaneously have cognitive decline and aggressively mindfuck someone. No, to me those manipulation neural networks seem well trod.

He didn’t apologize.

When the mum confronted him, he admitted it was stupid and he shouldn’t have sent it.

I’m not feeling the sorry. Stupid? Try criminal. What’s the age of consent in the UK? He’s lucky that mother didn’t come after him waving a shovel, after first digging his shallow grave. He’s not an oafish dinner guest who made a boorish comment — he’s a predator who asked a teenager to undress for him.

I doubt this is the first time he’s done this, given his nonchalant response. Kudos to that 16-year-old for outing him and screenshotting it so she’d be believed. That took guts.

His immediate reaction was “I told you not call her” — i.e., it is my fault for finding this out!

Blameshifting. It‘s not what he did, it’s your response to it. Yeah, he’s a practiced FW.

He WANTED to keep this a secret. He WANTED you to stay in the dark and not have the full picture of him. Conspiring to keep you chumpy should be an immediate dealbreaker. Also noted, he was evasive about why he was divorced. Never a good sign.

His secret sexual basement has nothing to do with you.

And by asking for essentially nude pictures — where was this leading and why am I not enough?

You’re enough. He’s the ghoul.

No one is enough for a man who just sees women as interchangeable appliances there to serve. You’re the public face of age-appropriate girlfriend normalcy. The teenager is a fantasy orifice who should do his bidding because he said so. You shouldn’t check his story, because he said so. His ENTITLEMENT is the problem here, not you.

This shock is hard enough without adding an internal script that you suck. You do NOT suck. He sucks.

That’s your basic incompatibility. Dump him today.

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lotusblossom
lotusblossom
9 months ago

Update: please note that I sent the note about to Tracy directly after the phone call telling me about this appalling behaviour. I dumped him immediately. No question. Mum and daughter are the heroes here. Thank goodness I was informed! No looking back. Sadly under Uk law no recourse. I wish there were.

Cam
Cam
9 months ago
Reply to  lotusblossom

Glad you dumped him. Did you keep your reasons vague? How’s your home security?

Last edited 9 months ago by Cam
Blue Wolf
Blue Wolf
9 months ago
Reply to  lotusblossom

congrats! as someone who was molested as a minor, there is no excuse for his behavior. At all. I don’t care what/if the child did.. she’s a child. He is a grown ass adult. There are no *two-sides*. He’s a predator and that’s it. good for you for dumping this giant red flag. <3

Disfor
Disfor
9 months ago
Reply to  lotusblossom

Awesome! Hope you’re proud of yourself! And I wish you all the best/ good luck/ all the power and mental energy you need to deal with your parents.

lotusblossom
lotusblossom
9 months ago
Reply to  Disfor

Thank you so much and to all for the support.

ChumpOnIt
ChumpOnIt
9 months ago
Reply to  lotusblossom

I recognized the shock of having just heard something completely appalling from a partner you thought you knew. I remember thinking the wrong things, asking the wrong questions, before the severity and full implications of what ex FW told me really sank in. Glad to hear you did dump him once this initial shock passed. I know it will still be a time for this to process. I still don’t understand how I didn’t know who he was, but around here that’s called untangling the skein of fuckuppedness. Sometimes the tip of the iceberg is all you get, but that’s enough.

Last edited 9 months ago by ChumpOnIt
MichelleShocked
MichelleShocked
9 months ago

Lotusblossom,

I’m so sorry. This just sucks. You believed in him and he sucks. This is a guy that not only tried to compromise a minor (who he was clearly grooming because she trusted him and was texting this man), but has been sneaky the whole time. He still hasn’t told you what happened with his ex wife? Hmmmm that alone is concerning, especially after learning about the 16 year old — which he also tried to hide from you.

You said he introduced you to a “circle of friends whom he has known for 30 odd years too and we got on well. He set up a WhatsApp group”… and these friends that knew him for 30 years dropped him like a hot potato as soon as they heard what he did. That says a lot. No one is in his corner.

Please don’t be afraid to get free of this guy. Dump him. He isn’t who you thought he was. I’m sorry.

Disfor
Disfor
9 months ago

This reminds me so much of my FW! No, he is not a kind guy and never has been. He targeted you for your house and car, greater education and therefore greater earning potential and that’s it. He may have realized that you are lonely and would love a great huge friend group. He was most likely never attracted to you, because … well, most men are shallow age preference wise. The 16 is much more in line with many men than a woman in her 50s (unless the guy is in his 80s), which is why the most coveted age for women on tinder is 18 (the youngest allowed age). https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/15/style/dating-apps-online-men-women-age.html (Not sure whether you’ve seen the Anne/Brad Pitt scammer story line. Anne, the scammed woman, is 53 and was like “but I am younger than Brad Pitt, who is 62! Why would he not like me.” Err… because his real girlfriend is half his age, she’s 30 years old.)
LEAVE! For heaven’s sake, leave! And start being really angry at his manipulations and gaslighting you and “blaming you for finding out”, so to speak!

Age of consent is 16 in the UK, but that’s irrelevant here – he was in a relationship and she is way too young in other ways, emotionally etc. He could groom her. She wasn’t interested in the sexual etc.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
9 months ago
Reply to  Disfor

I would like to add that, in my experience advocating for domestic violence survivors, there seem to be a lot of abusers who are– for lack of a better term– “quasi-split personalities” who are sometimes divided between their attraction to “savior” types (the kind of ride-or-die individual who might have protected them from whatever childhood horror-show abuse which turned them into monsters in the first place) and “collaborators”– the types of people who enable the abuse of others and sort of/kind of get off on it.

This is not to put any stock in the warped and screwed-up perceptions of abusive personalities and it’s not like either choice of dupe/enabler is appealing since both categories are being reduced to their “use” to perpetrators. But I think it’s a bit less offensive to be viewed as a potential bleeding-heart savior/dupe than a sleazy, creepy and potentially sadistic collaborator with abuse.

KatiePig
KatiePig
9 months ago
Reply to  Disfor

Yep, exactly, age of consent in many states in the US is also 16 but it is still disgusting, inappropriate, and predatory. I wonder if the friend group knew about him screwing teenagers though and just thought he wouldn’t go after one of their children. That’s how it felt when I tried to warn one of our friends who had a teenage daughter. Like she had the idea that if other parents weren’t properly protecting their kids and he screwed them, well that’s on them. It bothered me so much because I was thinking of her daughter, and all her daughter’s friends, and times we stayed at their home, and how he saw those children as potential sex partners. It was horrifying to me thinking of him doing something to any young girl that age.

But she was like “meh, as long as it not my kid, why should I care?” Honestly, I’m firmly on the NO SLUMBER PARTIES camp after that conversation. I completely understand and support that stance now. She exposed so many young girls to my ex AFTER I tried to warn her. It wasn’t until he got arrested that she cared and I think that was only because it was made public. It just makes me sick.

Magnolia
Magnolia
9 months ago
Reply to  KatiePig

I so appreciate these stories and CL. I’ve never really gotten validation for this one experience I had:

When I was 36 I dated an exec who was 50. Right from the get-go he did things that were sort of infantilizing to me, but I didn’t know enough to trust my creeped out feelings and instead talked to him about it and he’d say I misunderstood or apologize for not getting my taste right (when he gave me children’s toys as gifts).

He had stories about a friend’s daughter that always seemed weird. We travelled to his home country once and I met the friend. She was apparently the widow of my ex’s buddy. She had two daughters. The one who was 17, who my ex had described as knowing so well, was ‘estranged’ and the mom wasn’t sure where she was, and described her as having ‘gone off to find herself or something.’

The other daughter was 12 or 13. While the mom and boyfriend and tween daughter were visiting (at his cottage), my ex got naked in front of her. The girl came and stood next to me and seemed really uncomfortable. Again, I talked to him about it, explaining that it wasn’t appropriate. He told me I was just too vigilant because of the abuse I had experienced as a girl. He literally got up from bed, went out into the kitchen where the mom was, and told her that silly me had ideas that he was being inappropriate. The mom laughed it off, and said, of course not, it’s natural and my daughter has never said anything to me about being uncomfortable. I couldn’t believe a mom would be so cavalier about a 50-year-old man exposing himself to her pubescent daughter.

While I was dating him, he bought that family a huge large screen TV. After that interaction, I figured the mom was being bought off by him and that perhaps his friendship with the now-17-year-old was why that girl was nowhere her mom could find her.

Cam
Cam
9 months ago
Reply to  KatiePig

That’s so fucked up.

My mom didn’t let me go to slumber parties as a kid. I was so mad about it at the time but looking back now, I completely understand and appreciate what she did. There are so many assholes out there and frankly you’ll never know most people as well as you think you do.

Disfor
Disfor
9 months ago
Reply to  KatiePig

“She exposed so many young girls to my ex AFTER I tried to warn her.” That’s horrifying, but unfortunately could be like my mom… My mom is a covert narc, who was molested by her uncle as a very small girl. As a disordered adult, she always sort of tried to expose me to dangerous situations with men, because she had not been protected. When both me and a relative tried talking to her about my dad, her response was like “why are you telling me this! I never told my parents what my uncle did!”
I also just read up on the Neil Gaiman case – and just like you with your friend, who did not protect her daughter or any other child, I was horrified about Amanda Palmer’s enabling of Neil Gaiman, a man in his 60s, raping these 18 year olds. Neil is horrific, but the fact that his wife and later ex-wife enabled him and later even participated… unreal. And their 3 year old child was present. Just… speechless. (I also have some ties to one of the victims. Nothing close, but I will still reach out to support.)

MaggieT
MaggieT
9 months ago

I know it’s skein untangling and not recommended, but Christ on a cracker, why do these fuckwits DO this absolutely stupid shit, that not only destroys the people they claim to love, but is GUARANTEED to blow up in their faces and screw up their OWN lives?

I was never able to get any kind of answer to that question from Pennywise- when I’d screech “WTF is the MATTER with you? What were you THINKING??” – all I’d get is the blank, dead eyed stare, and then the walk away.

Im moving towards acceptance that I’ll never have the answer, and it doesn’t really matter anyway, but reading things like this just gobsmack me all over again.

Disfor
Disfor
9 months ago
Reply to  MaggieT

I think because “it worked 101 times, why would it not work the 102nd time?” Neither my FW nor any of my abusers never faced any consequences. Most abusers don’t. Look at how long it took for Bill Cosby (who then bribed someone to get out on “hear say”) or Weinstein. It just works 99% of the times. Actually, literally 94% of the times for rape that is reported (!) in the UK. 94% of rapists get off scot free. And those are only the cases that make it to trial! Discounting all those in which the state refuses to prosecute.

KatiePig
KatiePig
9 months ago
Reply to  MaggieT

It is pretty crazy. My ex has lost his job, took a huge pay cut, lost most of his family and friends, and is going to prison. All for the chance to have sex with a child. He used to watch that to catch a predator show with me and alternate between laughing and being completely disgusted by the excuses those guys made and how gross and pathetic and STUPID they were. And then he waltzed right into a setup just exactly like them. It blows my mind thinking about that now.

Cam
Cam
9 months ago
Reply to  KatiePig

These people are strangely delusional about their own superiority and walk into their own destruction (which they caused) eyes wide open. It’s weird.

I’m relieved to hear your ex is going to prison. I hope it’s a long sentence.

braincramped
braincramped
9 months ago

You initially entered into the relationship with some doubts and a degree of skepticism.Understandable after your divorce experience,of course. This horrible discovery might be the second time you have tried to quiet the hair on the back of your neck trying to tell you that this man and this relationship is not right for you. Trust yourself and trust that being alone is far better than being with the kind of person who would proposition a 16 year old,much less his friend’s daughter.It’s very disturbing and likely not his first teenage “crush’- As Tracy says,we seldom catch them the first time they lie,cheat, steal etc.

SortofOverIt
SortofOverIt
9 months ago
Reply to  braincramped

“the kind of person who would proposition a 16 year old,much less his friend’s daughter.It’s very disturbing and likely not his first teenage “crush’- As Tracy says,we seldom catch them the first time they lie,cheat, steal etc.”

If he’d take the risk with the daughtetr of a friend, there is no way he hasn’t tried it with less risky teens. He has toof posed as an 18 year old boy on some online form etc.

GoodFriend
GoodFriend
9 months ago

Although you were probably in shock, I hope you thanked the mother of that brave 16 year for reaching out and telling you. This one incident is enough to dump him immediately.

Since you’re wondering what else he’s done, ask that mother if any others in the group then had similar stories, and if she can tell you why he divorced.

It doesn’t matter if his history is otherwise squeaky clean; this showed his character. If he was willing to do this to a friend’s child, he may also be doing this to other kids.

GoodFriend
GoodFriend
9 months ago
Reply to  GoodFriend

To clarify, I meant thanked the mother for reaching out to tell you what the daughter had shared with her parents.

Disfor
Disfor
9 months ago
Reply to  GoodFriend

Yes, that takes a lot of guts. I’ll forever wonder about some people that I haven’t told.

Rebecca
Rebecca
9 months ago

Short answer – Definitely get rid of him! He’s sexually and morally reprehensible.

Questioning why there is no discussion about reporting the incident? The 16 year old has a screenshot. She should be encouraged to stand up for herself and report this to authorities.

Reporting this should be most significant discussion before this deviant does this to another young person. And that’s assuming he hasn’t done this previously!

Cam
Cam
9 months ago
Reply to  Rebecca

This guy is morally reprehensible and a dangerous predator, but whether his actions would be considered criminal by the police depends on local laws regarding age of consent, which is 16 in many places.

PrincipledLife
PrincipledLife
9 months ago

The day I found out my mother was dying, I went into my husband’s office, distraught, and told him. He kept keyboarding for a minute or so, then looked up and smirked at me, and then went back to keyboarding. I was dismissed, you see. His wife had died from the same disease my mother just found out she had, so he knew what was in store.

On a soul level, these men are stone cold killers. Please run away as fast as you can, today, and never talk to him again. Your emotional life depends on it, and perhaps your physical life as well. Re-direct your love to your father, who loves you back.

The girl is 16 now but he’d been doing this for a while, so she may have been underage when it started. And she’s likely not the only one. I hope you speak further with her parents and consider informing the police.

I’m so sorry, LotusBlossom. It reflects only only his unworthiness, not yours, but I know it doesn’t feel that way now. Right now, it is like someone blow-torched your skin off. We who have been there are here for you, and send you love and understanding.

Looking in the Rearview
Looking in the Rearview
9 months ago

I’m sorry but I’m horrified!! Sexting a teenager should be an instant gather your shit & get the fuck out of my life!!! Deal with the feelings & thoughts about the pedo later. The dude not only betrayed you, but his entire friend group too. He’s not a good guy at all!!

Cam
Cam
9 months ago

I find it telling his entire friend group (consisting of people he’s known for years) have tossed him.

Lotus, thank your lucky stars you found out early – before marriage, before joining every aspect of your lives together – and drop this dumpster fire. This man will destroy your life if you stay.

hush
hush
9 months ago

💯 Should be an instant NOPE right out of knowing that pedophile a moment longer. But he has had 3 years grooming OP well to accept his coercive control, and so she’s questioning herself – he’s an abuser. Hope OP gets out… the first time.

kim2003
kim2003
9 months ago

My thoughts as well.

LaDoctora
LaDoctora
9 months ago

The faster you dump this bucket of crazy, the faster you can get back to helping your parents and focusing on your work. This man is a one-way ticket to hell. He is not worth it!!! Save yourself, your parents, your job, and your sanity! All you have built for yourself is in jeopardy the longer you keep him in your life. Ask me how I know.

chumpnomore6
chumpnomore6
9 months ago

Of *course* you should dump him. He’s a revolting predator. It’s awful to find out your trust has been massively displaced, and I sympathise, but everything Chump Lady has said is spot on. Don’t delay, kick this repulsive cretin out of your life.

JeffWashington
JeffWashington
9 months ago

Lotusblossom,

This isn’t “dump him”(yes, please, do that next).

Call the fucking police.

I don’t know where you live-if this is in the United States this is a mandated reporting issue. This is sexual abuse of a minor with evidence. This is sexual predation. This is an SVU episode in progress.

This is a Megan’s Law issue.

There is evidence he did this and it needs to be addressed. Now. I don’t know if you have Childline or something analogous where you live but this needs to be handled. Even if this is unfounded it is a very serious allegation that needs to be investigated. If he did nothing wrong it will not go on his record. Again, it sounds like there is pretty hard evidence(and the phone company can be subpoenaed as well).

Perhaps it’s the mood I woke up in and find myself in at work-but I am a little more than disgusted in this “friend group” for not already escalating this into a legal issue. These are adults with children of their own. Would they be OK with a 50+ year old asking their kids for naked selfies?

Yeah, it’s their “friend”-great. They are complicit in the traumatization of a minor. Friendship should never preclude the safety of children. Failure to report this would cost ME my career and everything attached.

It should really be more skin in the game than “I just don’t want to get involved.” That is how abuse is perpetuated.

KatiePig
KatiePig
9 months ago
Reply to  JeffWashington

With all due respect, it is not a Megan’s Law issue. The age of consent in MOST of the United States is 16, literally in 30 states. Plus, this is in the UK where the age of consent is 16.

I understand your outrage, I feel it too. But outrage does not make this a crime. I heard go to the police a lot and was condemned and judged for not being able to make it a crime but it’s still not, no matter how angry I got. The friends cannot turn this into a crime. The parents cannot make the police arrest him for this non crime. It’s the unfortunate reality.

weedfree
weedfree
9 months ago
Reply to  KatiePig

It could be using a carriage service to menace, harass etc. This would be up to the receiver to make a complaint. Where I am we now have Multidisciplinary centres to discuss this sort of behaviour without having to make formal reports. As I understand it police can still collect data and map offender conduct without necessarily proceeding with charges because not every matter is able to be prosecuted. https://arch.tas.gov.au/

Disfor
Disfor
9 months ago
Reply to  weedfree

No. Please listen to those of us who have dealt with police and our trauma. Thanks. And I wasn’t joking when I wrote that even rape is only prosecuted successfully in the single digits. Nor was I joking when I said that physical assault (in my case with hospital and court approved photographer documenting the wounds!) is usually ignored. I would suggest you google “would love to see her faked” – the 4 day old Guardian article gives you a good insight in some police and court responses.
I know that we have been brainwashed all our lives to believing e.g. that rape is illegal, but it only very technically is. As I wrote: almost never successfully prosecuted, single digit percentage in the UK of those that are even allowed to go to trial. (And as I found out to my detriment, same with physical assault and even theft.) While the UK is what I know best, I’d like to add that in Germany it has only recently become illegal to sexually harass someone not at their workplace. And neither has ever really been successfully prosecuted. Most people just assumed it was illegal – until it became more public knowledge that it wasn’t when a female police officer tried to get a man who groped her v in the streets while she was working undercover prosecuted. She was told that since, although she had technically been working, since she was not visibly at her workplace, it wasn’t illegal to make a move. I know how absurd this sounds – but what we think the world should be and what it is, are very separate things.

weedfree
weedfree
9 months ago
Reply to  Disfor

Hi disfor, not sure if this was reply to my comment. But anyway Multidisciplinary centres aren’t only populated by police, there are a number of other social services on-site. Victim survivors don’t have to speak to police if they dont want to because of all the reasons you mentioned. It isn’t just for reporting. I think it is based on some model in the UK or US that was considered more trauma informed, anyway I hear what you are saying. Captured very well in Prima Facie, catch the Jodie Komer version at a theatre if you ever get the chance (but contains themes of sexual assault)

Disfor
Disfor
9 months ago
Reply to  KatiePig

EXACTLY! I hate when people don’t concern themselves with the fact – what is and isn’t illegal, how little it gets prosecuted etc. That is putting the onus on victims instead of who is responsible: the perpetrator and the colluding police/state in cases which are actually illegal, yet aren’t prosecuted. I have so much trauma from police non-reactions.

Cam
Cam
9 months ago
Reply to  Disfor

The only time I tried reporting domestic violence to the police, the cop taking my report cut me off mid-sentence, called me a liar, and accused me of “trying to ruin an innocent man’s life.” This cop had never met the offender and had no justification to say this. I can only imagine he was an abuser himself and felt called out.

Going to the cops was more traumatizing to me than the violence itself. It’s made me think twice interacting with police ever since.

Disfor
Disfor
9 months ago
Reply to  Cam

Cam, I’m so sorry. Your experiences mirror mine.

KatiePig
KatiePig
9 months ago

Predators act like nice, decent people so they can get access to victims. That’s their standard MO. If they were creepy weirdos, nobody would invite them over to their home for a holiday giving them a chance to sexually abuse their children.

I had a moment where I wondered if this was my ex but details don’t match up. LOL I was the horrible bitch ex wife who made up terrible things about him and nobody believed me because he’s such a great guy and would obviously never do those things… until he got arrested for them three years later. In those three years, he stayed overnight at people’s houses for holidays. People with children. I wonder if they think about that. I was certainly thinking about it and terrified about it.

I will admit, it bothered me that you said you haven’t given him a chance to give a proper explanation. Is there a proper explanation for you? Because if there is, you need to evaluate your own morals. I’m sorry to be harsh, I know this is hard, I went through it too. But if there is any explanation you would accept for him asking to see the genitals of his friend’s child, then you are not decent either. Take good care of yourself, mourn the relationship, and work on accepting the reality of what he is. He fooled you. He also fooled people who knew him for 30 years so he’s clearly good at it. You don’t have to feel any shame that he fooled you too. But if you keep seeing him after this, that is shameful. Don’t be that person.

Cam
Cam
9 months ago
Reply to  KatiePig

This comment should be pinned.

Disfor
Disfor
9 months ago
Reply to  KatiePig

“Is there a proper explanation for you? Because if there is, you need to evaluate your own morals. I’m sorry to be harsh, I know this is hard, I went through it too. But if there is any explanation you would accept for him asking to see the genitals of his friend’s child, then you are not decent either.” Yes, absolutely! I found the sentence “Why am I not enough – I am still competent and attractive” also really… off. Understandable, but off. So many straight women pretend that straight men are like women and value the same things in their partners as women do! We don’t! In fact: being competent is rather something that FWs want to destroy. Prior to dating men or even been around men, it should be compulsory to understand the differences between men and women. I can’t count how often women I know (me included when I was younger) were shocked, shocked I tell you, that the nice father figure actually wanted sex the.whole.time! This “not understanding that men and women value different things” is also at the root of so many love scams. So damn many. I just read a story about a woman who was like “my first husband was 20 years older than me, so why would this man who is 4 years younger than me, not want me for me?” Honey, you just answered your own question: because he is a man. And yes, of course it turned out to be a scam. I was the same. I’m 5 years older than FW and he hated all my professional achievements. HATED THEM. All he wanted was to destroy me. (He succeeded.) He hates women in general – but just like Neil Gaiman pretended to being a feminist. In reality, he turned out to being an MRA, who thinks that destroying women and stealing from them is the ultimate proof of women’s inferiority to men. Unfortunately intellectually/rationally I agree. Emotionally I don’t. I’d prefer to living in a woman’s world rather than a men’s world. But what he gets and his victims don’t, me included, is that that’s not what we are actually living in.

weedfree
weedfree
9 months ago
Reply to  Disfor

That is my take on things, as if currently stands in my 50th year on this earth as a woman

NoShitCupcakes
NoShitCupcakes
9 months ago

“What’s the age of consent in the UK? He’s lucky that mother didn’t come after him waving a shovel, after first digging his shallow grave. He’s not an oafish dinner guest who made a boorish comment — he’s a predator who asked a teenager to undress for him.”

I just looked it up – it is 16. Clearly this is what saved him from a shallow grave but did lead to being dumped, en masse, by friends of decades.

Follow their lead! DUMP HIM and block him.

unicornomore
unicornomore
9 months ago

This is SO creepy. There is absolutely nothing to work with her. Not only does this writer need to kick him to the curb for herself, she needs to send him the message that this is not OK in any Universe and shutting him down 100 % is the only way. (Im not saying it will make him any better, but when people violate society like this, they need to hit walls.)

Once I realized how creepy this dude was, I scrolled back to see if they had married and I was glad to see he wasn’t described as “husband”. This is a horrible situation but he will have no claims on her house (which is probs what he was after in the first place).

We are all so sorry that this happened, but glad you are seeking good advice and not spackling this mess.

2xchump
2xchump
9 months ago

Very very sadly, I kept my now X after inappropriate behavior with a teen. Forgiving was part of my grooming and my heritage . IT DID NOT GET BETTER. These men are overwhelmed with compulsions they cannot or will not control. Forgiveness enables them to burrow further underground. And they continue outside destruction. Staying with ANY cheater or any compulsive addict that has preditor tendencies,ENABLES THEM to keep going. Destroying every relationship around them. My work now is to turn that compassion on me and forgive what I did not understand 20 years ago. It was devastating to stay with a man like that.

Disfor
Disfor
9 months ago
Reply to  2xchump

I would say “will not” rather than can not. A lot of it is I believe to do with a certain type of… gosh, there is a term for it, but I can’t remember it right now, solipsistic… something. An unwillingness to get (ironically mirrored in some women who are like “but I have a PhD, I am professionally accomplished, well-travelled, why doesn’t he want me?!” and fail to grasp that this rather hurts their chances with men) that just because you (as in the men) feel something, in this case “have the hots for the teenager”, does not mean that this is reciprocated in any way. Just like men send dick pics because (as research as shown) men want to receive these genitalia pics (unsolicited dick pics also very much appreciated on grindr according to research). I understood that unwillingness to understand that the other is fully separate from the men with very different wishes and male projection better for the first time only very recently, when a newspaper published letters they had received from men (many men, not one or two) regarding coverage of the Pelicot rape trial. The men were writing that they did not understand why rape was illegal, as “it is pleasurable once it’s inside and goes back and forth. She enjoyed it”. (No, this was not Afghanistan.) That is of course utter non-sense, but I had met a man who believed this regarding rape in real life many years ago. This was a young tutor in philosophy with an Ivy League MA and a fiancée… The projection works like this: “I can put my x into a fleshlight and it will be great. Therefore women work the same.”

Velvet Hammer
Velvet Hammer
9 months ago

Run. Fast. Far. Now.

And alert the authorities on your way out the door.

Who knows what else this man is up to. And I speak from experience when I say he gave this girl third degree burns on her psyche which will leave a life scar.

I was with my so-called husband for twenty seven years. Everyone thinks he is Mr. Nice Guy. Finding out about his secret sexual double life still leaves me in shock and disbelief parts of the day seven years later.

We have been divorced just over three years. He left me and our daughter for a massage parlor worker. I am aware he is not sexually exclusive. I found out they opened their very own Asian massage parlor. Their advertising, which I screenshot and forward to law enforcement, uses images of girls with an underage face on a woman’s body. I recently located his comments on sites which review massage parlors. It was sickening and knocked the wind out of me on a whole different level than the infidelity. I now believe it’s very possible our marriage and family was just a disguise for an even darker secret double life than I realized.

You could say that in reading those comments, unfiltered and in his own words, I saw who he really is for the first time. I actually never knew him at all. You only know someone as much as they will let you, and he wasn’t going to let you. Thank God you are finding out now.

I’d launch this guy like a rocket and get together with a good therapist right away. This is a significant psychological injury that I wouldn’t even think of dealing with on my own.
This site and my very good therapist have been essential for my healing.

Good luck and keep coming back.

Last edited 9 months ago by Velvet Hammer
Disfor
Disfor
9 months ago
Reply to  Velvet Hammer

It isn’t illegal. And that’s ignoring the fact that “the authorities” statistically don’t care even in cases in which it is illegal… (Both the UK and the US have also recently had cases in which police officers raped minors and covered it up. The UK additionally recently had two cases in which a mass rapist/murderer got away with it for quite a long time because he was a police officer.)

Velvet Hammer
Velvet Hammer
9 months ago
Reply to  Disfor

It’s a crime where I live.

(California)

Disfor
Disfor
9 months ago
Reply to  Velvet Hammer

BTW: I am shook that California still hasn’t abolished child marriage… I recently watched a (French-made, I believe) documentary on a woman who was married at age 12 in California. She is now campaigning against child marriage.

Disfor
Disfor
9 months ago
Reply to  Velvet Hammer

Yes, but the writer is not you. 😉 She’s living in the UK, as the post says.

damnitfeelsbadtobeachumpster
damnitfeelsbadtobeachumpster
9 months ago

dear LB,

i would think calling the police a good thing to do.

and when your swirling thoughts take you to “is he dementing?” just pinch yourself and think about this instead: there’s a 16 y.o. girl out there who is traumatized. a man she’s likely known HER WHOLE LIFE sexted her, asking for a pic of her privates.

in fact, this may be the moment she looks back to, her whole life, that changed her from a trusting person to a traumatized one. but other stuff may have happened in her childhood, with this man, stuff she didn’t understand as grooming/groping/pestering. who knows?

whenever you question, think about her. then think about yourself at that age.

damnitfeelsbadtobeachumpster

Disfor
Disfor
9 months ago

It isn’t illegal in the UK. I agree with everything else you wrote, especially this: “there’s a 16 y.o. girl out there who is traumatized. a man she’s likely known HER WHOLE LIFE sexted her, asking for a pic of her privates.”

meanwell
meanwell
9 months ago

Speaking from experience, this is not a one off instance. Somebody let you know he did this. You have no idea how often he’s done it online or under other circumstances. You are fortunate that you got tipped off before things got worse

This is who he is This is indeed his secret sexual basement.
Please google this fantastic article by Omar Minwalla about the secret sexual lives of those who otherwise have a normal facing appearance.

It was extremely helpful for me understanding of My ex-husband

In a nutshell, discovering something like this saves you, because the overall long lasting effects of someone who has these secret behaviors destroys their partner

I would feel comfortable saying this is the tip of an iceberg you are just discovering.

kim2003
kim2003
9 months ago

This is horrible to have to deal with and I’m sorry.

That said I’m disturbed that she’s trying to rationalize why it’s ok to stay with a grown man who tries to get nudes from a 16 year old.

It’s one thing to have to break up your marriage and life, sell your house, work out custody/child support/etc when that’s what you have to deal with. Leaving a scumbag who hits up minors should still be a no brainer but in that case I get how hard it is to disentangle your lives.

This is just a boyfriend with no kids together and I don’t even see where they live together.

Why is she trying to convince herself it’s not bad enough to dump him over?

OHFFS
OHFFS
9 months ago
Reply to  kim2003

Yeah, that bothers me as well. Maybe she’s so overwhelmed with what’s going on with her parents that she is not thinking straight due to the stress. I hope she snaps out of it.

Cam
Cam
9 months ago
Reply to  kim2003

I would be so disgusted, I would ghost his ass and never talk to him again, even if we were married. Let the lawyer do the talking.

Unmarried and no kids? I’d ghost even faster.

Letter writer’s reaction gives me pause and makes me think she needs to stay single for a while and do more therapy. It’s not safe to date if your reaction to your boyfriend preying on kids is blaming yourself and minimizing what he did.

Disfor
Disfor
9 months ago
Reply to  Cam

I “understand” her in so far that she will be without companionship. So many women (including many with less financial means than she seems to have) stay with men who prey on teenagers, sometimes their own daughters, because they don’t want to be alone. I get that in so much as I hate being alone with a fire of a thousand burning suns. But as you said: that is bad and unsafe behavior from the women, too. “Letter writer’s reaction gives me pause and makes me think she needs to stay single for a while and do more therapy. It’s not safe to date if your reaction to your boyfriend preying on kids is blaming yourself and minimizing what he did.” Yes, absolutely. I have no idea whether therapy would work or wouldn’t work, but she clearly is in no way ready to date again if this is not an immediate “run now” cue and instead a “well, I should listen to his explanations first” (?! what could they even theoretically be?!) thing. As long as she is not mentally in “run now” mode when something like that is done to her and young girls, then she is neither making sure that she is safe nor girls around her.

hush
hush
9 months ago

The unsung heroines of this story are the 16-year-old survivor of a pedophile and her strong relationship with her excellent mother who told you personally the truth about that man’s evil, predatory nature. May we all have protective mom & daughter energy like them! ❤️❤️❤️

“I was very reluctant to get involved and not sure about whether I was attracted to him. Plus, we come from quite different backgrounds educationally. But he persisted and I agreed to go out with him.”

Yikes, sounds like he was a mega coercive controller from the get-go. See how you settled for him? In the future, only date men you are 1) 100% sure you are Fuck Yes! attracted to, and 2) have similar educational backgrounds, and 3) You know chapter and verse WHY he is divorced, from reliable sources:

“He is also divorced, but has refused to open up about what happened with his ex wife, so maybe that’s a red flag too. I don’t know anymore.”

Huge red flag!! You went in knowingly blind when you didn’t do your due diligence such as reading his public divorce records paperwork to see for yourself. Three years on, you have now learned beyond a shadow of a doubt here that man is a pedophile and you are, thankfully, not married and/or financially entwined. Big sigh of relief! You can be free right now!

Disfor
Disfor
9 months ago
Reply to  hush

“reading his public divorce records paperwork” That isn’t possible in the UK to my knowledge. However, she should have met the exwife. I’m very concerned about a friend’s marriage to a man who was married before and has never met the exwife, who is (according to him who was convicted of her assault) “oh, so awful”. And, yes, dating a man with lower academic credentials is a huge red flag. In a world in which men become more likely to be clinically depressed if income parity (!) exists in a household (rather than him earning more than her), the most likely reason to settle for or target a woman with higher education and/or income are love scams and male gold digging. My aunt fell for this crap twice, me once. My aunt lost a huge amount of money to two husbands who never wanted her for anything other than her purse.

hush
hush
9 months ago
Reply to  Disfor

Yes, it’s crucial to grasp what exactly a man wants out of being with a higher status woman in particular. It’s a journey to really trusting our initial “VERY RELUCTANT” feeling about a guy, and not letting coercion from him override that sense of self-protection.

Disfor
Disfor
9 months ago
Reply to  hush

Absolutely! As I wrote, my sense would be that this was never real to begin with. I’d also add this caveat should she after dumping him venture out again into the dating world: women in their 50s are the most likely romance scam victims (in the UK it’s 65% women and women on average send male romance scammers twice as much money as men send to women or rather: men pretending to being women online.)
Why are women in their 50s the most likely victims? Financially solvent, especially as this is also the age in which women get divorced, get half the proceeds of the house. Also: the exhusband is remarrying to a younger woman statistically, OW or not, which increases the desire to also find someone. 50 is simultaneously the age at which men are most sought after online – and that includes from women in their 30s; it’s the age at which competition for men is fiercest (of course, the figures are even worse for women in their 80s and 90s, simply because most men will have died, but these women spend less time online or trying to date in other ways and have less disposable income). Additionally, it is an age at which (and I say that as woman) some women are still unwilling to understand the dating market logistics and age – there is still a greater willingness to believe that one has hit a jackpot or “of course he wants me! I’m accomplished and awesome!” instead of “why is this man not going after a woman in her 30s like is statistically the norm?” (Men age 48 send most their messages to women who are 36 and younger.) A woman in her 70s is less likely to think like this.

GoodFriend
GoodFriend
9 months ago

We don’t know if the text was the first time he asked for pictures–it may be the first or only time the teen had or kept evidence. Lotus, although you’re overwhelmed with so much other family stress now, I hope you will find time to ask the teen’s mom to speak again to teen and the circle of friends to ask if he did this at other times, and report if he did. Sometimes law enforcement will investigate if there is repeated behavior, and multiple victims. incident. And you could ask the mom to reach out to the ex-wife about this, too. Even if they/she didn’t have kids, he could have done the same to kids in the extended family and social circle. Victims, especially children, may be too frightened, ashamed or embarrassed to tell what happened, but are much more likely to speak up when they know a peer has already done so.

Disfor
Disfor
9 months ago
Reply to  GoodFriend

It isn’t illegal in the UK – even if he did it several times to other 16 year olds. But back in 2015, there was even a case in London in which a man was cleared of raping a teenager because he claimed that he “fell and landed in her v”. I’m not joking! (You can google rape 2015 fell UK cleared). He was cleared, although there was semen. I really wish people would know how incredibly rare any successful prosecution for sexual assault or even non-sexual physical assault or theft is. I was clueless at least regarding the latter until it happened to me.

hush
hush
9 months ago
Reply to  GoodFriend

“A typical pedophile will commit 117 sexual crimes in a lifetime.” – National Sex Offenders Registry.

Statistically, he likely has other child victims out there. We don’t know if he always was careful to prey on barely legal (in the UK) 16-year-olds.

Disfor
Disfor
9 months ago
Reply to  GoodFriend

Asking teenagers over the age of consent in the UK is not illegal – even if you do it many, many, many times and none of the teenagers wanted it. I think you should check this out as a good indication of just how impossible even in cases of rape it is to get anyone in the UK (and in all other European countries I know) to convict is: https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/saudi-millionaire-cleared-of-rape-after-claiming-he-fell-and-accidentally-penetrated

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
9 months ago

This guy needs to be reported to the police regardless of whether the parents chose to do so or not. Then LB needs to immediately distance herself in order to not appear complicit. People not only have deep contempt for predators like this but anyone who even vaguely appears to enable them whether this is from denial or shock or whatever. There may be nothing police can do yet in the case local laws don’t criminalize targeting 16 year olds (which is absurd but depends on region) but he should definitely be on a watchlist. There’s no way this was his first or last offense and he may have quite a trail of victims in his wake.

Because of this, LB’s choice is between one of two “roles” in this disaster: Ghislaine Maxwell or Giselle Pelicot and really nothing in between. So I would strongly recommend opting for “Giselle” rather than “Ghislaine” and going to police because reporting it is the only way to wash off the stench and then of course never, ever having anything to do with this monster again unless called to testify.

And believe me, this guy is a monster and I’d also recommend Lotus Blossom or anyone else who’s ever spent time in the presence of freaks like this seek trauma therapy to process the toxic effects of proximity because no normal person can come away unscathed.

I know this from experience because I was in the performing arts since age seven, modeled in NY in my teens to pay for school then worked in the media and entertainment industry starting in college. All these industries are basically magnets for every kind of perv, predator and pedophile and I’ve had brushes with these types all along. Though I was never “successfully” molested as a kid or adult (close calls but I always got away), I’ve seen the face of evil up close– or should I say “faces” since these types come in a variety of guises– and have developed a radar and a bit of a system for spotting them.

I admit that the hardest types to spot are the ones who wear the “sweetheart” disguise and rarely show any aggression. I think that type can be the most diabolical because they really get under your skin and convince you of their kindness and harmlessness (which is why this type also often clusters around advocacy and important social justice causes because– as Jean Paul FW Sartre put it– “everything is permitted the hero.”). Sadly this breed of creeper is able to mimic down to a cellular level a relatively rare type of angerless and generous individual that actually exists but, whenever I encounter people who give me that “Daaaw, how sweet” reaction, I tend to keep my guard quietly up until I can figure out whether they’re the real deals or the dangerous fakes. It’s too bad but, if the real deals are as decent as they pretend to be, they would understand why this is necessary.

Otherwise I can attest that I don’t see pedophiles in every shadow and, except for certain industries, it’s not exactly “dirt common” but they still exist in every corner in all their various forms. As I mentioned in a comment to another post, I think one pretty common giveaway is that normal adults– regardless of age– around active pedophiles often start getting a creeping sense of not only feeling “old” but strangely terrified of aging.

Personally I think what causes this effect is that a lot of pedophiles can’t stop periodically “leaking” out ageistic little asides and gestures that makes anyone in their midst who is not a fellow predator and who is not within their target age range feel past their expiration or very close to it. It kind of emanates out of people like this– by the way they ask everyone’s age or get a bit too excited about, say, a young child’s “perfect skin” or make little cracks about the aging of various public figures, etc., etc.

There are endless ways that predators express objectification. I also think the fact that pedophiles especially are, by nature and as a function of what they do, dangerously callous if not criminally violent gives a strange power to the toxic messaging that’s unconsciously picked up by normal people’s lizard brains, almost like fear is some kind of accelerant for toxicity. It’s also like fear-boosted objectification that’s expressed indirectly has a way of getting internalized more easily because people don’t see it coming and therefore don’t know how to ward it off.

That toxic effect is true not only for bystanders but for the direct targets of that supposedly positive attention from predators. I was very sensitive to this spooky “vibe” as a kid but also sort of curious about why some people emanate it. I eventually figured that compulsive sexual predators, like chronic porn users accustomed to the instant gratification of flipping through a hundred porn videos in 20 seconds, are the height of entitlement. Many seem to get frustrated and angry at individuals who do not meet their rigid sexual specs and seem to have a desire to punish and humiliate those who “fall short”, particularly if those people are “close but no cigar” to the predator’s preferred physical traits. So a pedophile who prefers pre-pubescent children can get very frustrated in the presence of adolescents and one who prefers adolescents can get very spiky in the presence of young adults and on and on.

Another favorite target of predatory rage is anyone who seems like the type who might protect or side with victims– often mothers or motherlly types but also anyone who gives off a genuine rescuer vibe. I knew a young male producer like this who had recurrent nightmares for years after being intensely tormented and persecuted by Harvey Weinstein. The young producer was the one who convinced a high powered attorney he knew to represent me pro-bono after I experienced workplace harassment and stalking as an intern. This friend was always a bonafide “protector” type and I suspect Weinstein telepathically sensed it and felt threatened by it. I think it’s precisely why many predators seek power so that they can use it to clear their fiefdoms of anyone who might potentially thwart their exploits and surround themselves only with complicit proxy abusers and spineless enablers.

Speaking of (ugh) Weinstein… though most predators tend to be very passive aggressive about “punishing” others for being the wrong “type” or age, if the predator has a position of power, they may be very overt and aggressive in attacking others who don’t meet their preferences. The last job I had in media (before I bailed from pure nausea) was working for a semi-famous producer who was later all over the headlines for raping nearly a dozen victims, most of whom were teens at the time. I remember him making a little blond production assistant who aspired to on-camera work cry alone in the restroom when he told her– at the ripe old age of 32 (she frankly looked younger but apparently not nubile enough)– that the position was only open to “young and beautiful” candidates.

I think it wasn’t just the crack but the sheer viciousness with which he said it that sent the woman into an extended spiral. That fear accelerant thing again. I think that was the first time I consciously realized the guy might be a pedophile. In any case, he was a violent and evil man who abused power and the last straw for me was seeing him brutally yank his anorexic wife (likely anorexic because he was also a huge fat-shamer) out of a chair by her scrawny little arm because she sat in the wrong place.

Because I was roly-poly pregnant for half the time I had that job, the boss’s weird misogynistic haterism was mostly focused on how “fat” I got during pregnancy (expressed by silently glaring psychotic daggers at me any time I ate at work which was pretty much all the time due to moderate gravidarum) and possibly just the “mother” vibe of being pregnant so he didn’t attack me ageistically as he did others. But I knew from many other brushes with freaks that the sense of feeling “old” around a pedophile can start as young as tweens in the case the target age for the predators around them is under fourteen or under 10 and on and on down to infant. For instance, that constant proximity to the clusterfuck of pedophiles in the fashion industry is one of the reasons that most fashion models start developing a haunting sense of “age dysmorphia” by their teens. For instance, it wasn’t uncommon for girls I knew to claim to be 15 instead of 17 or 17 instead of 20, etc., maybe partly to preemptively extend careers but also clearly as a defensive response to “pedo radiation exposure.”

Anyway, thou shalt know the predatory objectifiers (a good portion of them anyway) by a creeping internal sense of body or age dysmorphia. The more dangerous the predator and the worse the encounter, the deeper this sense of feeling tainted or unfit can sink.

I think part of it is probably just the “telescoping sense of life expectancy” that’s typical in PTSD, though it might be more than that. In forensic psychology, the effect is something called “projective identification” to explain the tendency of rape victims to internalize a sense of being dirty, repulsive and guilty for crimes they didn’t commit because they’re actually “absorbing” the feelings of being dirty, unfit and guilty that the perpetrators refuse to feel and then displace or project on victims. For that reason I hope the targeted teen in this case gets therapy because she has likely been “infected” just by the traumatic “near miss” which could set her up for depression and self esteem issues over time. And, again, Lotus Blossom should seek support as well as anyone else who was impacted by that poisonous encounter.

Last edited 9 months ago by Hell of a Chump
Disfor
Disfor
9 months ago

There are no watchlists for men who don’t do anything illegal outside of anything kind of political or religious extremism in the UK (and 16 is legal in most of the US and all of the UK)… And the police and the crown prosecution rarely do anything even if she had been 15 and he’d asked for pictures.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
9 months ago
Reply to  Disfor

10 states out of 50 in the US have 16 as age of legal consent in the US which is too many but not “most.”

Disfor
Disfor
9 months ago

Two asides: I had no idea before I researched this now in how many US states the age of consent if the other is under the age 18 is 13. Interesting. (I’m not sure how I feel about this. My high school class did have a 19 year old dating a 14 year old though.)
The topic of different state age of consent laws was featured in the current documentary on Marilyn Manson’s sexual assaults. His tour manager said (to the camera!) that it’s all complicated cause he can’t be bothered to putting the correct age of consent up on the tour bus walls when they cross state lines.

Disfor
Disfor
9 months ago

“In the majority of states (34), the age of consent is 16 years of age.” This is from a gov page. So yes, it is indeed “most”.

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
9 months ago
Reply to  Disfor

Ew, oops, you’re right. How sick. I’m not in the US at the moment and was blocked trying to get onto a govt. site so got stats from an apparently muddy source. It seems some states have conditions on the consent age (below 18 or 19) if the offender is in a position of trust, a definition which varies by state. It seems the UK is in the process of expanding the definition of “position of trust” to include sports coaches and religious leaders.

But where

Hell of a Chump
Hell of a Chump
9 months ago

(posted too soon) But where the “trust” definition is vague enough– say, in case the adult ever even babysat the child or even drove them to the dentist– it would still be worth going to the police to form a paper trail. When I did advocacy, it was pretty hit or miss whether police would use their discretion to take a paper trail report even when they couldn’t immediately act on the information. It’s worth a try since this background can steer future legal response in case the offender oversteps further.

And, regardless of how police respond, I think it has to be attempted on principle when there’s any risk to victims like in cases of domestic abuse or sexual misconduct for several reasons. The first is for bystanders to distance themselves from perpetrators by openly “taking sides” simply because it’s the right thing to do and also lest it comes out later that they were informed but did nothing, especially if the situation escalates. Then in the case something worse happens in the future, even police refusal to take an earlier report can be later used to lobby for better laws and police response as it has been in many cases– for example, in passing Jennifer’s Law in Connecticut giving victims of coercive control the right to file for protective orders.

I’ve personally taken the humiliating brunt when cops refused to take a report either on a technicality or because they’re lazy gits or biased. Bad cops can be really nasty in wet-blanketing and may even make lame threats against making false reports. But, sucky as it is to be in that position, it would be fatalistic not to try and nothing would ever change.

Archer
Archer
9 months ago

I want to add you are fortunate the friend group is decent. In addition to the betrayal trauma I’m enduring the betrayal of a toxic couple who were close friends and faked supporting the divorce. Both are back to being chummy with FW ex husband in spite of knowing the awful details of the decades long cheating with hookers! And being parents of young girls. Kick him to the curb but keep the friends

Cam
Cam
9 months ago

You will never be “enough” for a sexual predator, let alone one who targets children. You’re not the problem, he is.

Bail now, before he attacks someone and the cops are busting down your door to arrest him.

…before he isolates you from more of your friends (because people ostracize sex predators).

…before he gets fired from his job (because companies fire people who sexually harass coworkers).

…before he attacks one of the kids in your family and you have to have awkward conversations with enraged parents and explain to them that “he’s only done this once before.”

…before you find out he’s stealing your money to purchase escorts.

…before you get bad STI results from your doctor.

There is literally no way this ends well for you if you stay.

I know you’re in shock. I know you have a lot on your plate. I know this is an awful and unfair betrayal. But seriously, bail now.

OHFFS
OHFFS
9 months ago

Please get rid of a sick pervert who preys on teenagers whether he says he’s sorry or not. Lotus, how low are your standards for male behaviour that you would think you could possibly be overdamatizing this? You are underdramatizing it if you think an apology could ever cover it. He’s definitely psychosexually disturbed and quite possibly a pedophile. Run!
You can take it to the bank that his last breakup was also due to his sexual behavior. Take appropriate action.
I’m so sorry about the situation with your parents. ❤️ The last thing you need is the creep adding to your stress load.

weedfree
weedfree
9 months ago
Reply to  OHFFS

I don’t think this is entirely a case of low standards, but a case of betrayal blindness, the phenomenon described by Dr Jennifer Freyd in her book Blind to Betrayal. It is a survival mechanism, and in that respect I do agree this is an example where a person can lack insight into what is truly going on, a partner’s true nature. Particularly in the context of the parental figure about to pass, the historical connection with the FW, the grooming etc.
The poster had good boundaries, and this predator knew how to penetrate them. The fact she is writing to CL and asking for some reality testing is a good sign.

Last edited 9 months ago by weedfree
Disfor
Disfor
9 months ago
Reply to  weedfree

I thought about betrayal blindness, but I don’t quite see it here: betrayal blindness would mean to me to not see signs etc. When you are straight up told and shown the screencaps and there is no reason why the mother would have been faked them… then I don’t see how it’s betrayal blindness. I’d be happy to learn something new, but I don’t quite see it.

weedfree
weedfree
9 months ago
Reply to  Disfor

You could be right. It is a possible explanation, amongst others, but we can behave quite illogically at times even in the face of irrefutable evidence right in front of us that someone is just plain straight out evil. In her book she describes far more heinous abuse of children by parents who have to compartmentalise the abuse in order to continue to love the parent (which is also how DID occurs). That is why it is important to have groups like this to reach out to have a reality check and begin the process of being ungaslit. I mean no one here is going to say stick with this guy, he sounds like a work in progress.
Take care out there everyone

Disfor
Disfor
9 months ago
Reply to  OHFFS

“Lotus, how low are your standards for male behaviour that you would think you could possibly be overdramatizing this?” I would like to highlight that part. Very well put!

shelly
shelly
9 months ago

You don’t even need to do a long, drawn-out dumping scene in this case — just ghost him and be done with it. Block him everywhere. Waste no more time on this deviant. I’m sure that his preference for young girls has gotten him into trouble before.

weedfree
weedfree
9 months ago

Regarding the dementia/brain tumour thing one of the phrases I repeatedly hear/d as a victim of a FW, a DV lawyer, and a woman who has experienced harassment same as every other woman is old muggens “lacked insight” or “didnt understand what he was doing” -usually this isn’t the perpetrator saying this, but other actors in the system enabling the behaviour, half of them women who really do believe men don’t understand what they are doing is wrong. I don’t buy this at all, I agree with Dr George Simon, CL and other commentators that more often than not these acts or harassment, neglect and abuse are deliberate and intentional (whatever “it” might be, including sending a sext, not looking after the children, having a double life, surreptitiously damaging or losing your personal property whilst not touching their own over the course of 20 years (my FWs favourite) whatever it might be).
True lack of insight comes up in legal proceedings as a criteria for a person not having decision making capacity to, for example, make decisions about their own finances, medication regime, and so on.
So if someone suggests your partner lacks insight, doesn’t know what they are doing, then your response is they shouldn’t then be able to hold a driver’s licence, have access to a bank account, have care of children, in fact they should be hospitalised for an assessment to understand the full extent of their illness so they dont cause harm to themselves or others.

Last edited 9 months ago by weedfree
Elsie_
Elsie_
9 months ago

This is horrifying and confusing. Most certainly dump his sorry *ss. You don’t even have to give a reason. Ghost him, if you like. I’m really sorry that it came to this.

The whole “crazy ex” thing is nuanced, but I always ask more if it comes up with the guys who seem interested in me. My experience is that if they’ve truly worked through it and rationally identified what they mean by “crazy ex,” there may be some potential there. If they refuse to talk, I figure they haven’t worked it through and/or they have something to hide.

If I was in the friend group, I’d boot him too. Not a friend of mine.

susie lee
susie lee
9 months ago

Honestly I don’t even see why this is a question. No marriage, run like your hair is on fire. If he persists get the law involved and tell them why.

Disfor
Disfor
9 months ago
Reply to  susie lee

She should have run even had they been married!

susie lee
susie lee
9 months ago
Reply to  Disfor

Absolutely, but they would have had to deal with legal shit. Single, she doesn’t have to do anything but run like hell, and block all access.

When I say run I mean drop the flaming asshole pervert and don’t look back.

Matt in Middletown
Matt in Middletown
9 months ago

The cynical portion of my head goes: “How do you know that it was *only* sexting?”
My ex claimed that she was only “talking” to her cousin.
But, her journal stating that she liked snuggling with him, he laid down with her, “then we showered”, “I really love him” etc and the text messages saying that he was naked without an audience along with one that said and I quote:
“Thank you for the day as well as the mmmmhmmm day”
Coupled with her blurting out that Bill “is a pervert like you”. (?????? What the, who says crap like that. And what was he saying and doing with my wife????)

So yeah, it probably wasn’t “just” sexting.
Is she prepared to find out it was more?
Does she really want to know?

Disfor
Disfor
9 months ago

The 16 year old would not have been into him. And she didn’t respond with the explicit pictures that he had asked. Matt, middle-aged and older men pretend to being teenage boys online to getting things from teenage girls for a reason… It’s the same reason that very few teenage boys would like being hit on by a woman in her 50s or 60s.

Matt in Middletown
Matt in Middletown
9 months ago
Reply to  Disfor

Not at all what I’m saying.
I’m asking, is she ready to find out there’s a LOT more than just sexting going on?
Is she ready to find out it isn’t just the “one time with one person”.
She should just pack it in and dump him now, it isn’t going to get better and I can say that her mental health will be better off for leaving and dodging finding out worse.

Disfor
Disfor
9 months ago

Oh! You mean with someone else! Gotcha! Sorry, I thought you meant with the daughter of their friends.

Matt in Middletown
Matt in Middletown
9 months ago
Reply to  Disfor

No worries.
I’m at work and typing between deliveries and phone calls.
So I might not have been clear with what I meant.

Chumpasaurus45
Chumpasaurus45
9 months ago

Lotus,

Please dump him immediately and never look back. This is not a good man. An apology cannot fix this and it would be a grave mistake for you to think it could.

I know you are already highly stressed out with your difficult and painful parent situation and I believe that has affected your ability to see the truth of this situation fully before you right away.

You are most likely dealing with a predator with a secret sexual basement. You need to get as far away as possible from him. No second chances with this deal.

He made a mistake, never done anything like this in his life and is embarrassed and ashamed? Still not enough to dissolve the seriousness of what he did to this 16 year old. No excuses can fix that.

He’s a pervert and very very good at covering his tracks for most of his life I believe.
If you could talk to the ex wife, you would get full verification as to why you need to drop this loser as quick as you can. But you already have enough without any other input.

He will be nothing but a liability to you from this point on. You don’t need an apology or explanation, it’s not a forgivable offense. ( He tells you there are two sides to the story?! Yeah, the predator’s and the prey!)

You got to see behind the mask of a predator before you fully entwined your life with his.
A quote came to mind, “ someone I loved once gave me a box full of darkness, it took me years to know that that too, was a gift”.

He inadvertently revealed who he is and you get to free yourself, thank God for you.
You came to the right site, CL’s advice is spot on. Best to you and your parents.